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Offline Avron

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #20 on: 09/27/2007 02:48 AM »
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OV-106 - 26/9/2007  10:37 PM

Avron,

With all due respect when I say this......but what the hell are you talking about?  You far enough out there that you could be classified as an exo-solar planet and obviously quite bitter about something.  Where do you get any of this that you can make such claims?


Ok... I hear ya.. now keep and eye on the market.. DOW will do just fine..  and lets see how far out I am..

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #21 on: 09/27/2007 02:59 AM »
Well come on man.  Spell it out for us instead of vague Nostradamus-like predictions.  If you have data on how all the events you "fortell" in the future are going to happen, then share it.
Enjoying viewing the forum a little better now by filtering certain users.

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #22 on: 09/27/2007 03:18 AM »
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OV-106 - 26/9/2007  10:59 PM

Well come on man.  Spell it out for us instead of vague Nostradamus-like predictions.  If you have data on how all the events you "fortell" in the future are going to happen, then share it.

All I am saying is that priorities will be changing.. we know that they do.. as the only thing for sure about the future is change..

Ask why Gold is so High... added to that is the emerging markets and their global power..  
 what is going to happen with the end of the boomer generation.. there are a large number of issues that have not been covered before.

Have a look at  the US age of workforce...  you, like us have a aging population.. who will look after them. who will fill their place..  in a nutshell who is going to keep things running..

their is no Nostradamus here. its logical

The moon is not going to be on top of that list

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #23 on: 09/27/2007 03:58 AM »
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OV-106 - 26/9/2007  10:48 PM

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Chris Bergin - 25/9/2007  12:06 AM

And less of the helmetball talk. You should all be into real football now, seen as Beckham's gone over to MLS (and promptly had his knee ripped off in a tackle) ;)

Chris, clearly real football is played with helmets.....;)

Prediction 4-0 GB...

But seriously...

just some numbers... on my last point.

 According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, more than 25% of the working population will reach retirement age by 2010, resulting in a potential worker shortage of nearly 10 million. (8)

* According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the number of people aged 55 and older will increase to 73% by 2020, while the number of younger workers will grow only 5%. (9)

* By 2030, with the last of the baby boom generation turning age 66, an unprecedented 20% of the population will be over age 65. (10)


ref: http://www.ispi.org/pdf/suggestedReading/1LockwoodAging.pdf

The moon  never mind mars. .will not be on the list moving towards 2030...

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #24 on: 09/27/2007 04:17 AM »
While I agree that not all expections of the VSE may occur on the timeline laid out, I do think that progress is being made towards the goal of getting us back to the moon - well before 2050.
I think that it's evident now with current market and labor conditions.

Indeed the future is about change; but what changes we make to it are up to us. :)

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #25 on: 09/27/2007 02:41 PM »
While I can understand the pessimism, I don't think we need to be that pessimistic. Realistically, I see humans back on the moon no later than 2030. They may not necessarily be Americans, although I sincerely hope they are. I agree with Avron that political changes are coming and I think the USA will take a turn to the left, but I don't see the USA getting out of the manned spaceflight biz any time soon. Too much prestige to be lost.  I guess that's why it's imperative to finalize lunar Orion as soon as possible so that is too far along to shut down. Of course that has happened in the past: XB-70, B-1A, Venture Star, YF-12, Boeing 2707, NASP, etc.

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RE: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #26 on: 09/27/2007 10:34 PM »
2037 seems optimistic now.  Mars was always something that was "20 years away".  By saying 30 years is just a euthenism for saying "indeterminate".  Right now it seems likely a moon base (if they actually fund Ares V) wouldn't be completed until around 2030.  So they're saying Mars would be 7 years after that?  Ha.  I think there will be a lot of questioning like:  "It took you over 10 years to complete the ISS, and then abandoned it 6 years later.  You're now going to spend years building a moon base... and then shortly after its completed you are going to abandon it for Mars... No way."   Besides, the US will be broke, as we've already spent the money elsewhere....

http://burtonmackenzie.blogspot.com/2007/09/instead-of-sending-humans-to-mars-11.html




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RE: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #27 on: 10/01/2007 11:48 PM »
http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19526233.200-mars-society-seeks-to-rescue-crewed-mission.html

"The House's proposed yearly budget for NASA contains a provision banning the funding of anything related to the human exploration of Mars."

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RE: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #28 on: 10/01/2007 11:59 PM »
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http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19526233.200-mars-society-seeks-to-rescue-crewed-mission.html

"The House's proposed yearly budget for NASA contains a provision banning the funding of anything related to the human exploration of Mars."

Plenty of time for that in the budget years ahead. NASA currently can't even properly fund serious lunar lander design needs, so shouldn't that take some priority for the next few budget cycles?

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #29 on: 10/02/2007 12:17 AM »
The next administration should retool the vision with the goal of having Americans on Mars by 2027 not 2037.

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #30 on: 10/02/2007 04:03 AM »
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Avron - 26/9/2007  10:18 PM
Have a look at  the US age of workforce...  you, like us have a aging population.. who will look after them. who will fill their place.
Hey, I did my part. I have four kids.

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Jon

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #31 on: 10/02/2007 07:03 AM »
I'll be 58 by the time the Mars mission (hopefully) happens.  Won't hold my breath though. :bleh:

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RE: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #32 on: 10/02/2007 10:01 AM »
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JesseD - 1/10/2007  6:48 PM

http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19526233.200-mars-society-seeks-to-rescue-crewed-mission.html

"The House's proposed yearly budget for NASA contains a provision banning the funding of anything related to the human exploration of Mars."

I can understand banning anything other than smallish studies, but they can't ban all funding otherwise congress can't expect future NASA administrators to actually be able to sensibly answer any questions on the topic. It's not like it costs that much. And of course, a little thinking ahead could save a lot of money in the future.
John

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #33 on: 10/02/2007 02:47 PM »
Just put a 10 year (or 2 year) time limit on the Mars ban, that will only cause minor problems to NASA.

I am not certain whether this is an act of silliness or extreme craftiness.

Silliness - NASA is not planning on going to Mars for 30 years so it is not spending $10 billion on Mars work.

Craftiness - he knows, however for political reason he has to produce large cut in NASA's spending.  He has just gone for a fake cut.
NASA can complain about it without having to fire anyone.

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #34 on: 11/20/2007 05:38 PM »
I think, NASA never to put man on Mars! Neither by 2037, nor 2137!

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RE: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #35 on: 11/20/2007 05:41 PM »
Wow! I'll be in my late 40's when we have a man on mars. That's kind of....scary!  :laugh:

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #36 on: 11/21/2007 08:18 AM »
Never the person will step into Mars! Only robots and automatic stations will investigate the far space.

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #37 on: 11/21/2007 08:42 PM »
So the human race dies when the earth become unsuitable for us. I hope not.

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #38 on: 11/22/2007 04:42 AM »
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ALEX-Satellite - 21/11/2007  1:18 AM

Never the person will step into Mars! Only robots and automatic stations will investigate the far space.

I hope not.

We're presently broaching the limit of what can be done in the robotic exploration of Mars. There's already vastly more remote sensing data than can be readily understood without real ground truth, and the MERs have raised far more questions than they ever answered. A real Mars surface geology mission, capable of finding and returning important samples, would be of supreme scientific usefulness...

Just to note, don't let anyone ever deceive you into thinking that Apollo did no science; almost everything we know about the formation of the solar system can be traced to the Apollo samples. Even 35 years later, most of the Apollo data is completely unanalysed...

Simon ;)

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Re: NASA aims to put man on Mars by 2037
« Reply #39 on: 11/22/2007 05:10 AM »
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ALEX-Satellite - 21/11/2007  2:18 AM

Never the person will step into Mars! Only robots and automatic stations will investigate the far space.

Humans will be living on mars permanently by 2110.   We'll have outposts on at least one outer moon and one asteroid by then as well.

They might be speaking Chinese, Indian, Russian, Portuguese.  At the rate we're going, if they're speaking English it'll be Frenglish and the settlers will be cannucks.  :cool:  Nothing wrong with that, I like our northern neighbors.   :laugh:

Here's hoping that we get off our butts and we're out there with the other nations of this planetary system.


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