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#40
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DaveS
on 25 Jun, 2007 00:31
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psloss - 25/6/2007 1:01 AM
Another illustration in this snapshot of the STS-93 payload -- which is heavier, Chandra (AXAF) or the IUS?
The IUS(32,500 lbs). AXAF is 10,560 lbs.
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#41
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Jorge
on 25 Jun, 2007 03:21
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psloss - 24/6/2007 5:39 PM
Thorny - 24/6/2007 5:53 PM
I realize this is academic, but are you sure? They did it with the MPLM in the bay on 114, and Node 2 is only 2 feet longer.
It's not length, it's mass. Node 2 is heavier than an MPLM. Not sure if Node 2 is fully outfitted for launch, but consider things like CBMs and how many a Node has versus a logistics module.
Correct - my reply was very badly worded, implying that it was volume-constrained.
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#42
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Davie OPF
on 02 Jul, 2007 11:58
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OV-106 - 24/6/2007 10:51 AM
By the way in regards to the manifest, TBD does not really mean to be determined in the conventional sense. For the most part the program knows exactly what is the primary payload and goal of the flight. I just has not been baselined into the manifest as such and historically does not happen until we move closer in time to the actual flight of that mission.
Which is the best way for processing flows.
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#43
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Chris Bergin
on 05 Sep, 2007 16:09
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As you may have seen on the L2 ticker, there has been a major shake-up forward plan for the shuttle manifest.
This includes saving Atlantis.
Gerst is meeting in Washington over approval and funding as we speak, so there's an article to come.
Documentation (large) has been on L2 since the other week, but we will turn this into a story once we get word of how the meeting went.
Currently, it looks like it will be approved, with a manifest acceleration, Atlantis extending to four remaining flights after all, the program ending early, both CLF flights being approved, plus changes to Constellation from Ares I-X onwards.
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#44
by
shuttlefan
on 05 Sep, 2007 18:07
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Chris Bergin - 5/9/2007 11:09 AM
As you may have seen on the L2 ticker, there has been a major shake-up forward plan for the shuttle manifest.
This includes saving Atlantis.
Gerst is meeting in Washington over approval and funding as we speak, so there's an article to come.
Documentation (large) has been on L2 since the other week, but we will turn this into a story once we get word of how the meeting went.
Currently, it looks like it will be approved, with a manifest acceleration, Atlantis extending to four remaining flights after all, the program ending early, both CLF flights being approved, plus changes to Constellation from Ares I-X onwards.
So you're saying the Shuttle is going to be retired earlier than first thought?
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#45
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Jorge
on 05 Sep, 2007 18:15
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shuttlefan - 5/9/2007 1:07 PM
Chris Bergin - 5/9/2007 11:09 AM
As you may have seen on the L2 ticker, there has been a major shake-up forward plan for the shuttle manifest.
This includes saving Atlantis.
Gerst is meeting in Washington over approval and funding as we speak, so there's an article to come.
Documentation (large) has been on L2 since the other week, but we will turn this into a story once we get word of how the meeting went.
Currently, it looks like it will be approved, with a manifest acceleration, Atlantis extending to four remaining flights after all, the program ending early, both CLF flights being approved, plus changes to Constellation from Ares I-X onwards.
So you're saying the Shuttle is going to be retired earlier than first thought?
Keeping Atlantis in the flow will allow the remaining 14 flights to be completed by April 2010, compared to July 2010 for the manifest with Atlantis retiring in 2008. Naturally flights will get delayed along the way, but this plan adds three months margin for the real deadline (September 30, 2010).
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#46
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Chris Bergin
on 05 Sep, 2007 19:26
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#47
by
Rob in KC
on 05 Sep, 2007 22:36
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#48
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Chris Bergin
on 06 Sep, 2007 02:45
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Thanks. There's a lot more to come yet!
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#49
by
TJL
on 15 Sep, 2007 16:41
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Chris:
Has a final decision been made yet whether or not keep Atlantis flying beyond STS-125?
At the press conference yesterday, I couldn't tell if Wayne Hale said there was a savings to keep her flight ready or not.
Thanks.
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#50
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rdale
on 15 Sep, 2007 18:47
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He was indicating that if the schedule doesn't slip in a significant fashion, Atlantis will be retired early.
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#51
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Chris Bergin
on 15 Sep, 2007 19:16
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TJL - 15/9/2007 5:41 PM
Chris:
Has a final decision been made yet whether or not keep Atlantis flying beyond STS-125?
At the press conference yesterday, I couldn't tell if Wayne Hale said there was a savings to keep her flight ready or not.
Thanks.
The decision has been made that Atlantis can fly through the scheduled OMDP, thus allowing her to be flight ready up to 2011 (a moot year, but you get the idea).
The orginal news on this led to a plan that showed the option of having Atlantis utilized throughout the manifest. That was a planning document.
Now the decision has been moved forward and Atlantis is required, as per SSP manifest acceleration and she will be manifested for two further flights (possibly on the next FAWG). However, "confirmed decisions" are for the future baselining of missions, and they are only up to STS-126 so far. So yes, this is going to be the case, but you have to wait until she's FDRDed into the specific missions.
This allows you to word it either ways, and I thought Mr Hale was being economic with what he said, versus what he's written in memos and documentation. I noted he was placing a lot on "being careful with US taxpayers money" (paraphrased) because the documentation, especially the SSP manifest acceleration will not work without Atlantis, from what I've read and been told.
He seemed to be speaking from a civil servant angle, which appeared to be more as a protective measure against opening himself up for media examination on his previous comments that they can fly out the manifest with two orbiters.
Bottom line, from everything we've seen documented (always more value than pressers) and seen says Atlantis will not be retiring in 2008.
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#52
by
psloss
on 15 Sep, 2007 19:41
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Chris Bergin - 15/9/2007 3:16 PM
This allows you to word it either ways, and I thought Mr Hale was being economic with what he said, versus what he's written in memos and documentation. I noted he was placing a lot on "being careful with US taxpayers money" (paraphrased) because the documentation, especially the SSP manifest acceleration will not work without Atlantis, from what I've read and been told.
In case anyone wants to review what he said, John44 posted that video yesterday:
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2835&Itemid=2The first answer was from a question by Bill Harwood and is at the very end of "Part 1" -- about 39 minutes in.
The second answer was from a question by Mark Carreau comes about 16 minutes into "Part 2".
Ultimately, this is another example of the program keeping its options open.
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#53
by
Real Madrid
on 23 Sep, 2007 17:14
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I have a question goes the atlantis out of service in 2008 or 2010?
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#54
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David AF
on 23 Sep, 2007 17:17
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Real Madrid - 23/9/2007 12:14 PM
I have a question goes the atlantis out of service in 2008 or 2010?
Read the thread and the articles. Will be 2010, but it's not baselined yet until nearer the time.
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#55
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Real Madrid
on 23 Sep, 2007 17:20
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Okay thanks for asking on my question.
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#56
by
siobhanmarie
on 22 Nov, 2007 18:58
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That's great news and can only agree with Chris SF that Atlantis is too young to die.
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#57
by
ChrisGebhardt
on 23 Nov, 2007 01:38
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siobhanmarie - 22/11/2007 2:58 PM
That's great news and can only agree with Chris SF that Atlantis is too young to die.
The final decision to keep Atlantis flying until 2010 has not yet been made. She has not been manifested (officially assigned) to any missions past her Hubble STS-125 flight currently scheduled for August 2008. This thread is from earlier in the year with the post right above yours made in September.
There is another thread on this site decidied to this topic. I'll try to find it and link it.
EDIT: Nevermind. That thread is on L2 so I can't post it here. Any way, what I've said above is correct. While the program made the decision to press ahead with plans to fly Atlantis past the 2008 Hubble mission, she has yet to manifested (assigned any flights). Wasn't trying to bust your spirits as I agree that Atlantis is "too young to die" but I just wanted you to know that it was not official yet. Keep watching though. Wayne Hail (the manager of the Space Shuttle Program) said in a recent press conference that the decision on whether Atlantis would keep flying through 2010 would be made within the coming months. Until then, GO ATLANTIS and STS-122!
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#58
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Chris Bergin
on 15 Jan, 2008 19:27
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New planning documents have finally given Atlantis her extra two flights and NASA folk now say this is all a done deal and official.
Will write it up as part of a large article on new things in L2
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#59
by
PurduesUSAFguy
on 15 Jan, 2008 19:47
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If this lets us stand down the shuttle fleet sooner, then it's a good thing. We have to get the space station/shuttle monkey off our back as soon as possible if any of VSEs goals of leaving low Earth orbit are going to have a chance of surviving.
