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#280
by
Chris Bergin
on 01 Jul, 2007 20:57
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#281
by
psloss
on 01 Jul, 2007 21:08
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Based on the video note, the last time the ferry came to Offutt AFB was Columbia in July, 1985, coming back from Palmdale mods after STS-9 -- that was coincidentally the ferry where the SCA flew through precip. (Not sure which leg of the ferry that occurred.)
And for some reason, I could really use a spa.
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#282
by
Zachstar
on 01 Jul, 2007 21:12
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Jim - 1/7/2007 3:53 PM
RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 11:48 AM
I have a feeling I'm gonna have this thread on refresh my entire 12 hour shift here at work 
No cameras? Wow, that seems odd. Seems like nasa would want to document EVERYTHING. Oh well... if it was MY nasa... 
There is no need to document it
While there is no technical reason to put cameras on the SCA the PR value of having them greatly exceeds the cost and problems associated with setting up a system. Had this been 1998 or something.
While there is no use installing a camera system now. There is a need for NASA to "up" it's public access to its many ground cameras and work to greatly improve vision capabilities on the next generation craft. They are making video cameras now that are around the size of a thumb and by the time major systems are installed on the CEV they will be even smaller.
For the SCA a simple wireless system transmitting to a laptop can gain great views that can simply be saved onto a large harddisk which is removed and processed at KSC. But such mods will need time that is better spent on other areas ATM.
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#283
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RHAnthony
on 01 Jul, 2007 21:13
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You can never have too much footage. And you can not deny the desire to document in the unfortunate event of an accident.
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#284
by
psloss
on 01 Jul, 2007 21:21
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Jim - 1/7/2007 4:53 PM
There is no need to document it
Can't disagree technically, but I think in a forum like this, everyone is going to draw the line about where "enough" video is differently.
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#285
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RHAnthony
on 01 Jul, 2007 21:34
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I would just think they would take every opportunity to document major operations, so that in the event of any failures or operational errors, they can deconstruct the nature of the event. I would think the attention they give to the shuttle on the way up, would be given as well to it's maintenance and transport on the ground and in the ferry flights is all.
again... if it was MY nasa
but it's not.
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#286
by
nathan.moeller
on 01 Jul, 2007 21:36
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Funny how they said the wing was damaged. Just another example of the news trying to make things sound much worse than they really are. Thermal blanket yes. But let's get the location correct.
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#287
by
Lee Jay
on 01 Jul, 2007 21:41
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nathan.moeller - 1/7/2007 3:36 PM
Funny how they said the wing was damaged.
Other than not knowing the difference between a wing and an OMS pod, I thought they actually did pretty well.
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#288
by
Chris Bergin
on 01 Jul, 2007 21:41
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nathan.moeller - 1/7/2007 10:36 PM
Funny how they said the wing was damaged. Just another example of the news trying to make things sound much worse than they really are. Thermal blanket yes. But let's get the location correct.
Yeah, that was a boo boo, but otherwise they did really well. Got to remember these are anchor talking heads and wouldn't of gotten much notice to russle up some facts.
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#289
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Jim
on 01 Jul, 2007 21:45
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RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 5:34 PM
I would just think they would take every opportunity to document major operations, so that in the event of any failures or operational errors, they can deconstruct the nature of the event. I would think the attention they give to the shuttle on the way up, would be given as well to it's maintenance and transport on the ground and in the ferry flights is all.
again... if it was MY nasa but it's not.
There is a black box on the SCA. Ferry flights are benign
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#290
by
leetdan
on 01 Jul, 2007 22:07
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#291
by
mkirk
on 01 Jul, 2007 22:16
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Chris Bergin - 1/7/2007 3:26 PM
hond - 1/7/2007 9:21 PM
Live interview with some of flight crew on Omaha Action3 news webpage.
http://www.action3news.com/
Excellent (welcome to the site).
That's Leroy Cain (Flight Director - with the shades) and Mr Fullerton.
That is not Gordo (Fullerton) standing with Leroy, that is Bill Mumme...best I can tell from the image. Mumme is one of the STA, SCA, T-38, C-9/C-135 pilots out of Ellington.
Mark Kirkman
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#292
by
mkirk
on 01 Jul, 2007 22:20
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ABC World News just gave the ferry flight 15 seconds worth of attention.
The weekend anchor called it a "long and expensive journey home" the anchor then spent the rest of the 15 seconds quoting the cost...he never managed to give that price tag any context in terms of overall operational costs and the fact that landing at Edwards was the safe and ultimately cost effectve thing to do...
I guess my biased 2 cents is spilling over...
Mark Kirkman
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#293
by
collectSPACE
on 01 Jul, 2007 22:20
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#294
by
Chris Bergin
on 01 Jul, 2007 22:33
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mkirk - 1/7/2007 11:16 PM
Chris Bergin - 1/7/2007 3:26 PM
hond - 1/7/2007 9:21 PM
Live interview with some of flight crew on Omaha Action3 news webpage.
http://www.action3news.com/
Excellent (welcome to the site).
That's Leroy Cain (Flight Director - with the shades) and Mr Fullerton.
That is not Gordo (Fullerton) standing with Leroy, that is Bill Mumme...best I can tell from the image. Mumme is one of the STA, SCA, T-38, C-9/C-135 pilots out of Ellington.
Mark Kirkman
Ah right. Thanks Mark.
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#295
by
SpaceNutz SA
on 01 Jul, 2007 22:50
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Wow - cool video from Amarillo. Hopefully will get something from Omaha soon.
Does anone have any detailed info on the modifications to the SCA?
Is there any monitoring of the Shuttle during flight?
How many flight crew on the SCA?
What is in the cabin of the SCA (ie: where the people normally sit)?
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#296
by
Jim
on 01 Jul, 2007 23:13
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No monitoring of the shuttle
3-4 flight crew
cabin is empty
SCA mods can be found by doing an internet search
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#297
by
zerm
on 01 Jul, 2007 23:33
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Does anyone here have a realistic estimate of what the cost of moving Atlantis back to KSC is? I'd really like to take those figures and feed them back the World Snooze Tonight in my cartoon strip this week.
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#298
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DaveS
on 01 Jul, 2007 23:34
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zerm - 2/7/2007 1:33 AM
Does anyone here have a realistic estimate of what the cost of moving Atlantis back to KSC is? I'd really like to take those figures and feed them back the World Snooze Tonight in my cartoon strip this week.
The cost esitimate that I have seen for this particular ferry flight is $1.7 million.
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#299
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Mark Max Q
on 01 Jul, 2007 23:50
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zerm - 1/7/2007 6:33 PM
Does anyone here have a realistic estimate of what the cost of moving Atlantis back to KSC is? I'd really like to take those figures and feed them back the World Snooze Tonight in my cartoon strip this week.
Go get them. Compared to NASA's budget, it's pocket money anyway!
