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#140 by rfoshaug on 21 Jun, 2007 17:53
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They'll change the orbit slightly so that the first EDW opportunity overlaps (same orbit) with the last KSC opportunity tomorrow in hopes that they'll get Atlantis down before predicted winds at EDW pick up.
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#141 by jackyg on 21 Jun, 2007 17:56
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andymw - 21/6/2007 7:53 PM
Can anyone tell me roughly when the first EDW landing opportunity might be 2moro. Looks like their best bet given the forecasts.
See the last pages , page 9 there is a perfect good time table placed by one of this great forum members.
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#142 by sts1canada on 21 Jun, 2007 17:57
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In three hours, the crew per MCC-H's advice, will perform another orbit burn to adjust the orbit of the shuttle to bring in an ealier landing attempt to KSC and EDW because for two weather reasons, as the day tomorrow at KSC goes on, showers/t-storms are more likely, and at EDW as the day tomorrow goes on, the winds get stronger there. So in order to land tomorrow, the best opps. is either KSC's first attempt or EDW's first attempt, this was called up to the crew by MCC-H over ten minutes ago.
Richard
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#143 by aquarius on 21 Jun, 2007 17:58
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Not necessarily. NASA has a host of landing strips all overthe world where shuttles can land.
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#144 by Ford Mustang on 21 Jun, 2007 17:59
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Straight from NASA's shuttle page:
The first opportunity Friday is on Orbit 218 and calls for a deorbit burn at 1:14 p.m. The second is on Orbit 219, which calls for the deorbit burn to begin at 2:50 p.m. and landing to occur at 3:51 p.m. at Kennedy.
If Florida weather does not cooperate, two opportunities are available at Edwards. The first is on Orbit 220. The deorbit burn would occur at 4:19 p.m. and landing at 5:21 p.m. The final opportunity is one orbit later with the deorbit burn at 5:55 p.m. and the landing at 6:56 p.m.
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#145 by sts1canada on 21 Jun, 2007 18:00
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Hope to see an updated deorbit times listing later today after the this small orbit adjust burn occurs in 3 hours to line up the orbit for tomorrow's slightly earlier attempts to KSC and EDW, the times are just listed in this thread about 20 minutes ago, are no longer that valid after this burn occurs in three hours, so a warning there when referring to them.
Richard
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#146 by sts1canada on 21 Jun, 2007 18:04
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Ford Mustang - 21/6/2007 1:59 PM
Straight from NASA's shuttle page:
The first opportunity Friday is on Orbit 218 and calls for a deorbit burn at 1:14 p.m. The second is on Orbit 219, which calls for the deorbit burn to begin at 2:50 p.m. and landing to occur at 3:51 p.m. at Kennedy.
If Florida weather does not cooperate, two opportunities are available at Edwards. The first is on Orbit 220. The deorbit burn would occur at 4:19 p.m. and landing at 5:21 p.m. The final opportunity is one orbit later with the deorbit burn at 5:55 p.m. and the landing at 6:56 p.m.
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Just a heads up for those who'll ask.
Thanks Ford, but these times were listed before this additional orbit adjust burn was planned by MCC-H so these times are now slightly off, but by how much now (how much earlier the deorbit occurs), I don't know. For example they will probably target the first deorbit attempt on Orbit 217 AFTER this orbital adjust burn tweaks the orbital ground track slightly.
Richard
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#147 by Endeavour118 on 21 Jun, 2007 18:06
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will white sands/ northup be active tommrrow?
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#148 by sts1canada on 21 Jun, 2007 18:08
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Now before someone tells me that a deorbit from orbit 217 is not possible, it is but it requires an orbital adjust burn to move the ground track more westward towards KSC starting on orbit 218 for this deorbit attempt for a landing at KSC.
Richard
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#149 by Falcon on 21 Jun, 2007 18:08
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think NASA is really benefiting from the fact that the shuttle was put into a power saving state last week during the computer failure. If they hadn't they might have found themselves in another STS-116 scenario where you have only two days to land and you even begin considering White Sands as a way to get the shuttle down. So things worked out nicely.
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#150 by sts1canada on 21 Jun, 2007 18:12
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will white sands/ northup be active tomorrow?
NO, the weather at EDW is good for the first opportunity for landing on Friday, the weather worsens slightly (stronger winds) for the second EDW opportunity, KSC has a chance of showers/t-storms forecast for both its opps. White Sands will not be called up unless EDW and KSC both are forecast to have bad weather for both of their opps., they want to land tomorrow, so I think EDW on the first EDW attempt is the way it is going to go right now.
Richard
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#151 by Davie OPF on 21 Jun, 2007 18:21
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Antares - 21/6/2007 12:44 PM
QuoteAnkle-bone12 - 21/6/2007 1:21 PM
That's a rough ROM. It's at least that much. Pretty much flying out a lot of OPF rats and putting them in hotels and food for a week. I'm not sure it's valid to add their labor time in. It definitely costs a week of turnaround schedule. But the standing Shuttle army is on the payroll no matter what.
CNN said that landing at Edwards would cost an extra million$. is this true?
And we want free cable and minibars in the rooms too
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#152 by Chris Bergin on 21 Jun, 2007 18:22
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Changes to the plans coming up. They are bringing Edwards and maybe White Sands for tomorrow now, as per L2.
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#153 by Chris Bergin on 21 Jun, 2007 18:25
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Edwards is on for Friday attempts.
Edwards and White Sands is on for Saturday attempts (so far) with attempts being made to get White Sands up for Friday.
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#154 by sts1canada on 21 Jun, 2007 18:26
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The entry situation is changing like the weather, except for the orbital adjust burn info which I know is going to happen, disregard my previous deorbit speculation, in a couple of hours we will have an updated deorbit plan for Friday listed here on the site. (the actual deorbit times for each site will be calculated by MCC-H after this one minute orbit adjust burn occurs when Altantis' orbit is changed slightly, then we will know when to expect the deorbit attempts).
Richard
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#155 by titanium_cranium on 21 Jun, 2007 18:28
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Unfortunately we are hoping against each other, I live in Ft Myers.
One thing is for certain. Either one of us could have told them they would be wasting their time this afternoon. Anyone who has ever lived in coastal Florida can tell you that between June and September, you set your watch by the storms. That is what makes us a sub-tropical climate as opposed to a desert. :cool:I was a little disappointed though. I had the afternoon off today. I won't be that lucky tomorrow.
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#156 by Chris Bergin on 21 Jun, 2007 18:30
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sts1canada - 21/6/2007 7:26 PM
The entry situation is changing like the weather, except for the orbital adjust burn info which I know is going to happen, disregard my previous deorbit speculation, in a couple of hours we will have an updated deorbit plan for Friday listed here on the site. (the actual deorbit times for each site will be calculated by MCC-H after this one minute orbit adjust burn occurs when Altantis' orbit is changed slightly, then we will know when to expect the deorbit attempts).
Richard
Thank you sir.
So to clarify, as this came in the form of manager's notes all together.
Friday, KSC, Edwards. White Sands being evaluated, but not an option at this time.
Saturday, KSC, Edwards, White Sands (confirmed)
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#157 by collectSPACE on 21 Jun, 2007 18:31
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The revised landing times for Friday are as follows:
2:18 p.m. EDT at Kennedy
3:49 p.m. EDT at Edwards
3:54 p.m. EDT at Kennedy
5:24 p.m. EDT at Edwards
6:59 p.m. EDT at Edwards
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#158 by Chris Bergin on 21 Jun, 2007 18:33
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Thanks Robert.
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#159 by sts1canada on 21 Jun, 2007 18:35
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Here is a listing of updated deorbit times just posted after the waveoff from Bill Harwood's Space Place site:
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/current.html
Richard
