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LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 11 - Attitude Tests and Xfer
by
triddirt
on 18 Jun, 2007 11:17
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#1
by
Chandonn
on 18 Jun, 2007 11:30
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#2
by
Chandonn
on 18 Jun, 2007 11:39
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Question for FD12:
I've seen all over the media reference to a fly-around after docking. I'm concerned with fuel usage on 117. Considering the shuttle provided attitude control for a big chunk of docked operations this time, is this still the plan? And will it be a half lap or a full 360?
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#3
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 12:03
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No word (that I've seen, but I'm asking) on if it will be a full flyaround or half flyaround. Good question as FRCS prop got a mention as being a low the other day.
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#4
by
brahmanknight
on 18 Jun, 2007 12:20
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Starboard SARJ is on the move.
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#5
by
eeergo
on 18 Jun, 2007 13:00
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Thruster firing test (to test attitude control by the problematic computers) is 1hour and a half away.
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#6
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whitewatcher
on 18 Jun, 2007 13:06
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brahmanknight - 18/6/2007 2:20 PM
Starboard SARJ is on the move.
Any problems encountered with the SARJ in the meantime?
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#7
by
MKremer
on 18 Jun, 2007 13:07
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whitewatcher - 18/6/2007 8:06 AM
brahmanknight - 18/6/2007 2:20 PM
Starboard SARJ is on the move.
Any problems encountered with the SARJ in the meantime?
none heard so far
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#8
by
chksix
on 18 Jun, 2007 13:26
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Emotional speech by Sunni
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#9
by
uko
on 18 Jun, 2007 13:30
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really funny looking at the flight controllers dancing "Staying alive"
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#10
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SimonShuttle
on 18 Jun, 2007 13:44
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uko - 18/6/2007 8:30 AM
really funny looking at the flight controllers dancing "Staying alive"
I hope John 44 has that on video!
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#11
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 14:25
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Handover to Russian computers in five minutes.
Orbiter will go to free drift, which will then see the handover take place.
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#12
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 14:26
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And PAO don't want you to watch, as they replay the planning conference with Suni's farewell.
Nice choice with the James Blunt (former British Army, now hairy singer) song.
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#13
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Martin FL
on 18 Jun, 2007 14:31
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Look at them dance lol.
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#14
by
USFJoseph
on 18 Jun, 2007 14:32
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Who's first seat in second console row on left (from camera view)? He looked like he wanted to get up and dance.
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#15
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 14:58
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The Russian computers have successfully take back attitude control
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#16
by
Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 15:12
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Nice view of the Unity Node and the Destiny Module, and Earth!
Picture 2: Solar Array Wings in AUTO-TRACK mode.
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#17
by
ShuttleDiscovery
on 18 Jun, 2007 15:13
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Chris Bergin - 18/6/2007 3:58 PM
The Russian computers have successfully take back attitude control
Great news Chris!
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#18
by
whitewatcher
on 18 Jun, 2007 15:19
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Ford Mustang - 18/6/2007 5:12 PM
Picture 2: Solar Array Wings in AUTO-TRACK mode.
Even better news. :laugh:
Yes, dear ISS, prepare to receive some more pressurized modules. :cool:
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#19
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 15:20
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View inside the ISS, handover from Russian Computers to US Computers (of attitude control, using Russian Thrusters) to happen in about 10 minutes. (Said by PAO)
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#20
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 15:20
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Late inspection confirmed for tomorrow morning.
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#21
by
Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 15:30
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ADCO going through the process to hand the command of attitude control to the US computers
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#22
by
ApolloLee
on 18 Jun, 2007 15:31
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Chris Bergin - 18/6/2007 7:58 AM
The Russian computers have successfully take back attitude control
Who wants to take bets that mission control will next be dancing to "New Attitude" by the Pointer Sisters?
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#23
by
Joffan
on 18 Jun, 2007 15:44
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ApolloLee - 18/6/2007 9:31 AM
Chris Bergin - 18/6/2007 7:58 AM
The Russian computers have successfully take back attitude control
Who wants to take bets that mission control will next be dancing to "New Attitude" by the Pointer Sisters?
For me it's all about "R.E.S.P.E.C.T." for the excellent work these guys do...
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#24
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 15:45
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#25
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 15:49
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Either unpacking a storage bag, or looking for something in the bag.. I'm not quite sure:
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#26
by
JesseD
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:04
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What, no one got pictures of the dancing controllers?? I'm really sorry I missed that!
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#27
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:07
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JesseD - 18/6/2007 5:04 PM
What, no one got pictures of the dancing controllers?? I'm really sorry I missed that!
Leave it with me, it's my pleasure to provide
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#28
by
Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:08
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Video file!
Mock-up of the OMS Pod Blanket repair:
Not sure what the painting is for..??
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#29
by
starbird
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:11
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Its the adhesive I believe.
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#30
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:17
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Chris Bergin - 18/6/2007 5:07 PM
JesseD - 18/6/2007 5:04 PM
What, no one got pictures of the dancing controllers?? I'm really sorry I missed that!
Leave it with me, it's my pleasure to provide
Images:
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#31
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:18
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Video of Suni farewell, with the James Blunt song and controllers dancing to Staying Alive (crazy sh--)
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#32
by
rdale
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:27
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Today's exec package sent a contingency procedure to undock while only on US CMG's -- which earlier in the week was not able to be done because of the loads imparted on ISS. Did they discover a method of undocking without causing the problems, or would it still be a bad thing for ISS?
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#33
by
jaredgalen
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:35
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I asked the same thing at the end of the FD 10 thread, certainly the ISS update this morning with Holly, she spoke about station momentum alot. Seem they have learned a lot about what they may need to be able to do and areas that were lacking backup plans.
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#34
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:46
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Canada Arm 2 (ISS Arm) being maneuvered!
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#35
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:52
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Clay Anderson and Oleg Kotov are moving the CA2 into grapple position:
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#36
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:54
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Still moving along!
EDIT: I liked this shot a LOT! Nice with the Sun and the CA2!
EDIT2: Picture of the CA2 and Atlantis' nose.
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#37
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:57
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Atlantis, CA2, Earth, and KU Antenna!
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#38
by
Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 16:59
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Picture inside the ISS, looking at Clay Anderson and Oleg Kotov beside Clay
Where the ISS and Shuttle are right now, going over England!
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#39
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 17:08
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ISS Control Room are monitoring the gyro momentum, decreasing now.
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#40
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 17:21
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As part of pre-undocking, crew are undertaking "scavenging" which includes two laptops going back on Atlantis from ISS.
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#41
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 17:53
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Silent on the PAO loop, and from the big loop, too.
Computer generated image of the ISS and Shuttle, docked.
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#42
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 17:54
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CMGs continue to perform attitude without issue since handover.
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#43
by
Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 17:59
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PDRS getting a load of priase from the commander, and it went down well with the controller on console!
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#44
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:01
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#45
by
ApolloLee
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:02
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Chris Bergin - 18/6/2007 10:59 AM
PDRS getting a load of priase from the commander, and it went down well with the controller on console!
A little question here for our JSC lurkers... What is there for a PDRS to do now at this point of the mission, or do the duties include internal payload transfer?
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#46
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:07
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Hatch closing is scheduled for today at GMT 169:22:35
That's 11:35pm UK. 6:35pm Eastern.
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#47
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:09
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Cool shot of Suni upside down. I always like these shots, because there is no 'upside down' in space!
Edit 2: Looks like Suni just took out a computer module or some gadget of that sort.
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#48
by
stockman
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:10
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I know this may be an off topic question so please feel free to redirect. I have noticed more and more that the station is getting VERY crowded with bags and such. To be blunt, its quite a mess. My own kids would be in trouble if they kept their room like this..ahahha... Question is - is this temporary until more modules/ATV start coming on board or is this the permanent look the interior of the station will have from now on? thanks
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#49
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:11
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A closeup of the end effector (not sure if that is correct spelling) on the CA2!
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#50
by
Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:16
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1: Clay with his gum, talking to Suni
2: Seems Suni passed the computer gadget to Clay!
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#51
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Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:19
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Clay looks at the computer for information, then makes sure it's correct on the other side.
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#52
by
Ford Mustang
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:20
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JR comes into view for a short minute
Edit 2: Danny comes into view, as Clay waves
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#53
by
kneecaps
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:30
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stockman - 18/6/2007 7:10 PM
I know this may be an off topic question so please feel free to redirect. I have noticed more and more that the station is getting VERY crowded with bags and such. To be blunt, its quite a mess. My own kids would be in trouble if they kept their room like this..ahahha... Question is - is this temporary until more modules/ATV start coming on board or is this the permanent look the interior of the station will have from now on? thanks
Organised chaos...kids can't store their stuff on the floor, walls and ceilings, in space they can and do. Its supposed to be very organised with the exact location of most items precisely known.
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#54
by
triddirt
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:39
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I'd say it's probably temporary... Remember a lot stuff has recently arrived on the shuttle and some things are going back on the shuttle...
I remember when Expedition 14 was new the lab was a bit of disaster for a while until everything kind of found its final working locations..
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#55
by
stockman
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:42
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kneecaps - 18/6/2007 2:30 PM
stockman - 18/6/2007 7:10 PM
I know this may be an off topic question so please feel free to redirect. I have noticed more and more that the station is getting VERY crowded with bags and such. To be blunt, its quite a mess. My own kids would be in trouble if they kept their room like this..ahahha... Question is - is this temporary until more modules/ATV start coming on board or is this the permanent look the interior of the station will have from now on? thanks
Organised chaos...kids can't store their stuff on the floor, walls and ceilings, in space they can and do. Its supposed to be very organised with the exact location of most items precisely known.
Valid points. I wasn't insinuating they were disorganized. I am sure they know exactly where everything is. it was more an observation on the asthetic view of the station more than anything. No worries. thanks for the replies
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#56
by
triddirt
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:53
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Reminder to folks that today is principally an off-duty day for the shuttle crew.. Sunni and Clay are finishing some handover..
So if you thought today was feeling particularly quiet then you'd be right..
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#57
by
stockman
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:55
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triddirt - 18/6/2007 2:53 PM
Reminder to folks that today is principally an off-duty day for the shuttle crew.. Sunni and Clay are finishing some handover..
So if you thought today was feeling particularly quiet then you'd be right..
I thought it lacked a bit of excitement today. my, my,,, without the ISS about to fall out of the sky, whatever will the news media report now??
There must be a few disappointed editors out there. oh well boys, better luck next time.
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#58
by
kneecaps
on 18 Jun, 2007 18:56
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stockman - 18/6/2007 7:42 PM
Valid points. I wasn't insinuating they were disorganized. I am sure they know exactly where everything is. it was more an observation on the asthetic view of the station more than anything. No worries. thanks for the replies
Most of the time they know
...plenty of things go missing, I beleive the search is currenty on for a Torque Wrench that hasn't been seen since FD3.
Another point thats worth considering, on Earth we fill our wall space with cupboards, chests etc, these block access to the walls, however the 'walls' on the ISS are access panels and systems.
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#59
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:03
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After Suni haves a bit of fun with the camera it seems that they are positioning it to prepare for the crew departure.
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#60
by
Jorge
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:03
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ApolloLee - 18/6/2007 1:02 PM
Chris Bergin - 18/6/2007 10:59 AM
PDRS getting a load of priase from the commander, and it went down well with the controller on console!
A little question here for our JSC lurkers... What is there for a PDRS to do now at this point of the mission, or do the duties include internal payload transfer?
PDRS will be used for Late TPS Inspection post-undocking.
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#61
by
Jorge
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:06
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stockman - 18/6/2007 1:10 PM
I know this may be an off topic question so please feel free to redirect. I have noticed more and more that the station is getting VERY crowded with bags and such. To be blunt, its quite a mess. My own kids would be in trouble if they kept their room like this..ahahha... Question is - is this temporary until more modules/ATV start coming on board or is this the permanent look the interior of the station will have from now on? thanks
When the new modules come up they will be mostly full. The main means of relieving clutter on the station are Progress (for trash) and shuttle (for stuff to be returned to the ground).
The clutter got worse during the post-Columbia grounding. It will gradually get better as the shuttle flies out the remaining manifest. It will get worse - probably much moreso than now - after the shuttle fleet is retired.
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#62
by
Lee Jay
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:08
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kneecaps - 18/6/2007 12:56 PM
Another point thats worth considering, on Earth we fill our wall space with cupboards, chests etc, these block access to the walls, however the 'walls' on the ISS are access panels and systems.
This seems to me to be the crucial point - the ISS is way more of a machine than it is a house. These people are living inside a machine, not putting machines into their house.
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#63
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ApolloLee
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:10
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kneecaps - 18/6/2007 11:30 AM
Organised chaos...kids can't store their stuff on the floor, walls and ceilings, in space they can and do. Its supposed to be very organised with the exact location of most items precisely known.
Sounds like my desk at work.
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#64
by
Jorge
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:13
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rdale - 18/6/2007 11:27 AM
Today's exec package sent a contingency procedure to undock while only on US CMG's -- which earlier in the week was not able to be done because of the loads imparted on ISS. Did they discover a method of undocking without causing the problems, or would it still be a bad thing for ISS?
The contingency procedure in the execute package was for attitude handover, not undocking.
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#65
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Mark Dave
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:34
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Good question. What becomes of the stuff that need to come back after the fleet retires?
Also when is landing day and time for Atlantis? I see more launches than landings.
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#66
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Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:34
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#67
by
DaveS
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:36
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MarkD - 18/6/2007 9:34 PM
Also when is landing day and time for Atlantis? I see more launches than landings.
Thursday at 1:54 pm EDT.
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#68
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:36
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MarkD - 18/6/2007 2:34 PM
Good question. What becomes of the stuff that need to come back after the fleet retires?
SpaceX Dragon Hopefully
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#69
by
Jester
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:46
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somebody grab that smiley on nasa tv now
EDIT: GOT IT
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#70
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:50
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Jester - 18/6/2007 2:46 PM
somebody grab that smiley on nasa tv now
EDIT: GOT IT
Ford had it earlier. Only reason why I didn't post it.
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#71
by
Jester
on 18 Jun, 2007 19:56
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Zachstar - 18/6/2007 9:50 PM
Jester - 18/6/2007 2:46 PM
somebody grab that smiley on nasa tv now
EDIT: GOT IT
Ford had it earlier. Only reason why I didn't post it.
sorry, i didnt read the whole thread, just never saw it on tv before.
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#72
by
jmjawors
on 18 Jun, 2007 20:36
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Chandonn - 18/6/2007 6:39 AM
Question for FD12:
I've seen all over the media reference to a fly-around after docking. I'm concerned with fuel usage on 117. Considering the shuttle provided attitude control for a big chunk of docked operations this time, is this still the plan? And will it be a half lap or a full 360?
PAO just mentioned it would be a full fly-around.
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#73
by
ace007
on 18 Jun, 2007 20:57
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I'm really looking forward to seeing the fly around video. Hopefully they will get both sets of arrays paddle wheeling around. I know it will be really slow but might still be cool to see them operating fully on a symetrical station.
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#74
by
andymw
on 18 Jun, 2007 21:02
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That was funny .. Clay saying that some indicator light was "toast" and ground control saying ... "we concur ... the light is non-functional" --- he does make space travel sound that bit more human
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#75
by
Joffan
on 18 Jun, 2007 21:09
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jmjawors - 18/6/2007 2:36 PM
Chandonn - 18/6/2007 6:39 AM
Question for FD12:
I've seen all over the media reference to a fly-around after docking. I'm concerned with fuel usage on 117. Considering the shuttle provided attitude control for a big chunk of docked operations this time, is this still the plan? And will it be a half lap or a full 360?
PAO just mentioned it would be a full fly-around.
I'd think the first-time launch in the middle of the window helped to give a healthy surplus over minimum OMS fuel requirements.
Does the orbiter "power around" the ISS or just use some sneaky orbital mechanics? (or a mixture of course...)
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#76
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Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 21:11
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Lots of crew in the lab!
And of course a nice view of ISS and earth. (Note Soyuz and Progress)
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#77
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 21:18
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#78
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 21:20
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Is suni about to do the moonwalk in HD?
Just missing the hat.
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#79
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 21:27
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Atlantis still required for some assist. Helping to gain another 4300ft overnight.
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#80
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Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 21:35
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#81
by
JimO
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:01
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Chris Bergin - 18/6/2007 4:27 PM
Atlantis still required for some assist. Helping to gain another 4300ft overnight.
Chris, is that a deliberate reboost burn with Orbiter thrusters?
Was it in the Execute Package?
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#82
by
gordo
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:03
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The 116 crew have been really media savvy, keen to share their experiences. It not only is great for us, but also for all their families who get to really share this endeavour with them.
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#83
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Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:05
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Undocking re-confirmed for 09:42 am Central, Tuesday.
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#84
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:16
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#85
by
Jorge
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:18
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Joffan - 18/6/2007 4:09 PM
jmjawors - 18/6/2007 2:36 PM
Chandonn - 18/6/2007 6:39 AM
Question for FD12:
I've seen all over the media reference to a fly-around after docking. I'm concerned with fuel usage on 117. Considering the shuttle provided attitude control for a big chunk of docked operations this time, is this still the plan? And will it be a half lap or a full 360?
PAO just mentioned it would be a full fly-around.
I'd think the first-time launch in the middle of the window helped to give a healthy surplus over minimum OMS fuel requirements.
Does the orbiter "power around" the ISS or just use some sneaky orbital mechanics? (or a mixture of course...)
A full flyaround is planned. Prior to undocking, MCC will give the crew a set of "bingo" numbers for the FRCS and ARCS quantities that would require a breakout.
It's a mix of powering around and orbital mechanics. The procedure in the book gives some leeway for piloting techniques to take advantage of orbital mechanics and minimize prop usage.
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#86
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:26
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A CPU generated view of the station with both solar panels tracking the sun and ready to support 118 when it arrives!
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#87
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:27
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And we have video from the station!
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#88
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:28
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#89
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:29
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It looks like some of the crew have been crying.
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#90
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:30
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Commander gives a great farewell.
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#91
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:31
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Are now they head back to the shuttle!
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#92
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:33
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An empty view. But not for long! There is ALOT of work to do and before this crew knows it another shuttle will be on its way!
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#93
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:34
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#94
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:35
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A final bit of transfer before the hatch is closed.
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#95
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:40
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View before hatch closure.
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#96
by
Chris Bergin
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:44
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Jorge - 18/6/2007 11:18 PM
A full flyaround is planned. Prior to undocking, MCC will give the crew a set of "bingo" numbers for the FRCS and ARCS quantities that would require a breakout.
It's a mix of powering around and orbital mechanics. The procedure in the book gives some leeway for piloting techniques to take advantage of orbital mechanics and minimize prop usage.
Great. I personally find flyaround more stunning that the Rbar Pitch Manuever. Brian (our main video guy) has snipped a clip of the Flyaround part from the STS-115 music video he did.
Full video can be seen here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4744&start=1 (free, but to forum members only) see attachment for the Flyaround snippet.
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#97
by
Fred Clausen
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:44
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#98
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:46
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#99
by
Chandonn
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:46
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Chris Bergin - 18/6/2007 6:44 PM
Great. I personally find flyaround more stunning that the Rbar Pitch Manuever...
I'm with you there. I have a collection of underside shots at each stage (at one time I was assembling an ISS Assembly Chronology). You can really see the thing take shape!
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#100
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Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:54
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Hatch Closed at 5:51 CDT
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#101
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 22:55
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Mission Status Briefing coming up!
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#102
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 23:00
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#103
by
Zachstar
on 18 Jun, 2007 23:03
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#104
by
gocamels
on 19 Jun, 2007 00:28
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Waste dump...
"I'm Dreaming of A White June 18th..."
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#105
by
mdrapp
on 19 Jun, 2007 01:43
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As it's a little quiet today, I thought I'd throw this out. My wife and her colleagues at JSC were profoundly moved by Suni's farewell earlier this morning. Those of us on the "outside", of course, are very moved by Suni's tearful goodbye....but those involved in station crew support seem exceptionally moved. They cried with her. There is something special about Suni...I wish I could place it.
--Michael
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#106
by
Chris Bergin
on 19 Jun, 2007 01:53
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mdrapp - 19/6/2007 2:43 AM
As it's a little quiet today, I thought I'd throw this out. My wife and her colleagues at JSC were profoundly moved by Suni's farewell earlier this morning. Those of us on the "outside", of course, are very moved by Suni's tearful goodbye....but those involved in station crew support seem exceptionally moved. They cried with her. There is something special about Suni...I wish I could place it.
--Michael
Yep, though quiet = good for how the mission is proceeding. Really has been a good mission so far with hardly anything coming up as a fault on the orbiter.
I'm glad to hear that story, as it certainly was something newsworthy (and I did an article on it) because this sort of thing is the bridge between those involved and those that follow.
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#107
by
JMS
on 19 Jun, 2007 01:55
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mdrapp - 18/6/2007 8:43 PM
There is something special about Suni...I wish I could place it.
--Michael
Maybe it's the bare feet...
Suni is most certainly special.
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#108
by
mdrapp
on 19 Jun, 2007 02:50
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Looks like no miniDV flight highlights from the crew tonight?
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#109
by
Chris Bergin
on 19 Jun, 2007 02:56
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mdrapp - 19/6/2007 3:50 AM
Looks like no miniDV flight highlights from the crew tonight?
Nothing yet. Just lots of this:
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#110
by
Chris Bergin
on 19 Jun, 2007 03:00
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NASA PAO must be watching (doubt it)
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#111
by
gocamels
on 19 Jun, 2007 03:06
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I think its that she brought some much needed personality to the program as a whole. Not that we've got a whole generation of stiffs or something in the corps. And if she like a career in my field (radio), she's already done a good job recently of jocking the air-to-ground loop this week...btw, I don't recall in recent memory anyone doing what she's been doing with her mp3 player over the loops.
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#112
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Chris Bergin
on 19 Jun, 2007 03:13
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#113
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Chris Bergin
on 19 Jun, 2007 03:15
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That was the waste dump, and the appearance of snow out of the windows:
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#114
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Chris Bergin
on 19 Jun, 2007 03:15
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#115
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Chris Bergin
on 19 Jun, 2007 03:17
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#116
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Chris Bergin
on 19 Jun, 2007 03:18
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#117
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Chris Bergin
on 19 Jun, 2007 03:20
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Suni ready to head off ISS...and Co2 scrubbers
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#118
by
Chris Bergin
on 19 Jun, 2007 03:21
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#119
by
JimO
on 19 Jun, 2007 03:32
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Florida Today ‘Flame Trench’ blog
Monday, June 18, 2007 posted by Patrick Peterson at 7:25 PM
Chief flight director confident in computers
http://www.floridatoday.com/floridatoday/blogs/spaceteam/2007/06/chief-flight-director-confident-in.html(Copyrighted material removed following complaint - James Lowe)
My own (JimO's) comments:
I must confess I'm a more than a little bit dismayed by Mr. Engelauf's apparent brushing off the question of what caused the original computer problems with the assurances that since the crew has found a way to get them working again, the problems are for all intents and purposes solved (he certainly gave that impression). It seems to me that the 'new NASA safety culture' should demand that the causal chain of the computer crashes be verified and that lash-ups by the crew do in fact forestall a repetition of that causal chain -- rather than just deciding, "It seems to be working so we'll assume it's OK". Until then, the uninterrupted future good health of that hardware ought to be help in deep suspicion. But now we see the view expressed that seems awfully much like "we've found one problem and fixed it, we can conveniently assume it was the only problem" -- and a NASA official feels justified in reaching that conclusion and expressing it in public less than five years after the 'Columbia' catastrophe. Am I being over-sensitive to this tone?
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#120
by
Fred Clausen
on 19 Jun, 2007 03:49
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Wow. Am I the only one who likes that golden glow? :laugh:
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#121
by
MKremer
on 19 Jun, 2007 04:29
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JimO - 18/6/2007 10:32 PM
My own (JimO's) comments:
I must confess I'm a more than a little bit dismayed by Mr. Engelauf's apparent brushing off the question of what caused the original computer problems with the assurances that since the crew has found a way to get them working again, the problems are for all intents and purposes solved (he certainly gave that impression). It seems to me that the 'new NASA safety culture' should demand that the causal chain of the computer crashes be verified and that lash-ups by the crew do in fact forestall a repetition of that causal chain -- rather than just deciding, "It seems to be working so we'll assume it's OK". Until then, the uninterrupted future good health of that hardware ought to be help in deep suspicion. But now we see the view expressed that seems awfully much like "we've found one problem and fixed it, we can conveniently assume it was the only problem" -- and a NASA official feels justified in reaching that conclusion and expressing it in public less than five years after the 'Columbia' catastrophe. Am I being over-sensitive to this tone?
That sort of 'public' attitude makes me uncomfortable, too.
Imagine you depend constantly on computers for your business, and if a diagnostic/repair person gave you a report about a total failure of your computers and the "fixes" they did:
"OK, your UPS/power conditioning failed, but we rewired to bypass them and the computers now power up and boot ok. We tested by running all your programs and they work ok, too.
We don't know the cause of the UPS failures, or if they're the primary reason for the power failures. But since the computers power up and can run all your software, it absolutely must mean your computers are *Just Fine* and there's nothing else to worry about."
That kind of "fix" and "guarantee" would give me major heebies, first because the failures and bypasses weren't anticipated and are definitely non-standard 'kludges', and second because the "fix" and assurances about the fix being a final answer (and there being no more hidden hardware failures just waiting to happen in the future because of the initial power disruptions).
So, no, you're not being too sensitive, and IMO the NASA/Russian public declarations that "everything is now Just Fine! nothing to worry all your pretty heads about!" is a bit disingenuous.
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#122
by
Joffan
on 19 Jun, 2007 04:32
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JimO, I understand your concern and I think I'd share it if they had only got the computer working again and then dusted off their hands. I think the process that has been followed is a little more reassuring than that however. Although the root cause has not been identified with certainty, a work-around has been set up and tested, which lends assurance that the station vulnerability has at least has been ameliorated. Also I feel confident (& I understand others might not feel so) that there will be further investigation which will at least be able to say how likely it is that the change in the background plasma stream might have been responsible for the change in noise level/quality, and inform changes that might reduce the risk further without incurring other (new) risks.
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#123
by
NASA_Twix_JSC
on 19 Jun, 2007 04:50
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It was a PAO event. There are few occasions where they've given the full story. It's all about soundbytes, not full technical details. I've not watched a MSB for many a mission as it's usually removed from reality when the question calls for a full and frank evaluation. Luckily most of the media there, not you Jim of course, ask dumb enough questions for them to do so. This is a Russian problem that we're all pretty sure hasn't been left as is.
There's two options, 1) Believe the everything is ok, so we'll move on, next MSB information, or 2) Work from the internal information, where you see the opposite,
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5138 There are still teams working the fault tree. It's just not certain what caused it yet.
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#124
by
Andrewwski
on 19 Jun, 2007 05:22
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I converted Chris's video file of Suni's farewell messages and the dancing controllers to WMV, which allows for the use of fast forward and such. I would have put them up at the time but my internet connection has been sporadic today. It seems better now so I'll try putting them up.
Watching/listening to Suni throughout this mission has been a lot of fun. Her friendly conversations bring a positive mood that isn't always exhibited.
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#125
by
MKremer
on 19 Jun, 2007 06:10
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Thanks for the video.
I think it's Suni's overall kind nature and enthusiasm for what she's doing, no matter the personal hardships, that make people pay attention to and like her.
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#126
by
johnhols
on 19 Jun, 2007 07:57
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Sorry if in the wrong place, but it's relevant to the current stage, can anyone point me in the direction of what they do between the time they close the hatch and finally leave. Seems to be a long time between the two events. Also details about O2 consumption/production on the ISS.
TIA
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#127
by
dawei
on 19 Jun, 2007 07:59
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I believe they close the hatch before they go to sleep and undock fairly early the next morning.
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#128
by
USFJoseph
on 19 Jun, 2007 11:04
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FD12 Execute Package
here
