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#320
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Zachstar
on 11 Jun, 2007 01:57
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Whopps! Forgot to post images of those highlights!
Oh well trust me everyone, Images do NOT do these things justice! So many small questions answered and brings you so much "closer" to the mission.
Chris is it possible through your sources to express our love of these highlights? I want NASA to know that I want these highlights on all future manned NASA flights including Soyuz!
They need to win victories against the apathy for space travel these days. This is a HUGE plus!
Think about all these teachers that can play this stuff in the classroom when a child ask how does an astronaut live and work in space.
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#321
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haywoodfloyd
on 11 Jun, 2007 01:59
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Thank you all for the very good pictures but for those of us who missed the Mission Status Briefing, could someone please recap it for us.
Thank you.
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#322
by
Zachstar
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:01
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#323
by
haywoodfloyd
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:03
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Thank you but also for those of us who do not have high-speed Internet a recap of the finer points would be appreciated.
Some of us live in the boonies.
Thanks.
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#324
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c.steven
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:05
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Seeing all of the add-on electronics in the cabin makes you wonder how the early missions ever succeeded! Just think, no digital cameras, mini monitors, laptops to speak of, or any of those things. Just imagine what kind of vehicle could be designed today, with networks, wireless routers, etc. all built in. I guess that's the downfall of flying a 1970's designed vehicle in the 21st century! Speaking of the digital cameas, does JSC even process old fashioned film after missions any more?
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#325
by
Chris Bergin
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:14
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haywoodfloyd - 11/6/2007 3:03 AM
Thank you but also for those of us who do not have high-speed Internet a recap of the finer points would be appreciated.
Some of us live in the boonies.
Thanks.
Basically...
No problems with RPM/Docking.
Shannon spoke about more evaluations on the OMS Pod. Discussion based around if the fact the 4 inch blanket protrudance may increase heating on re-entry - and if that adds to the heating to the exposed under shell. Only spoke in terms of worst case being maintainence on the ground.
Options of EVA to tuck the blanket back in place, or use options I wrote in yesterday's article (T-Rad etc.) Or leave as-is.
Spoke of the small foam liberation coming from an area of the tank which related to how much LH2 was left in the tank at that time, supporting cryopumping theories (liked the idea that adds to their data).
Previewed EVA 1, speaking about it being complex.
Most questions from media related to the OMS Pod.
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#326
by
bsegal
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:15
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haywoodfloyd - 10/6/2007 10:03 PM
Thank you but also for those of us who do not have high-speed Internet a recap of the finer points would be appreciated.
Some of us live in the boonies.
Thanks.
Here's a recap - still more engineering to be done, but Shannon leaning toward repair.
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/current.html
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#327
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Lee Jay
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:16
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I hope they have the time to repair it, and that they choose to do so whether it needs it or not. If for no other reason, I'd like them to be able to test how these materials and repairs perform under real, flight conditions.
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#328
by
haywoodfloyd
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:33
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haywoodfloyd - 10/6/2007 10:03 PM
Thank you but also for those of us who do not have high-speed Internet a recap of the finer points would be appreciated.
Some of us live in the boonies.
Thanks.
Here's a recap - still more engineering to be done, but Shannon leaning toward repair.
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/current.htmlMany thanks for that.
Thank you as well, Chris.
I was able to "postpone" my evening out long enough to see the docking but couldn't push it far enough to watch the MSB.
Much appreciated.
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#329
by
MKremer
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:42
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Lee Jay - 10/6/2007 9:16 PM
I hope they have the time to repair it, and that they choose to do so whether it needs it or not. If for no other reason, I'd like them to be able to test how these materials and repairs perform under real, flight conditions.
Push it back in and slap some 'space tape' over it.
(duct tape fixes almost everything) :laugh:
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#330
by
rdale
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:48
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Lee Jay - 10/6/2007 10:16 PM
I hope they have the time to repair it, and that they choose to do so whether it needs it or not. If for no other reason, I'd like them to be able to test how these materials and repairs perform under real, flight conditions.
No reason to send someone out to do something risky "just because" -- instead they should spend their time on something productive (like get-ahead tasks.)
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#331
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Lee Jay
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:49
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I love my 200mph tape, and use it for all sorts of things. Trouble is, the Shuttle is just a touch faster than 200mph.
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#332
by
rdale
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:53
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I never tire of the media -- CBS's suggested intro to the shuttle blanket rip which could cause heat to get into the orbiter "That's the same issue that caused the Columbia to burn up and disintegrate in 2003." I tweaked ours to say "that is SIMILAR to the issue" as I can only do so much ;>
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#333
by
Lee Jay
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:55
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rdale - 10/6/2007 8:48 PM
Lee Jay - 10/6/2007 10:16 PM
I hope they have the time to repair it, and that they choose to do so whether it needs it or not. If for no other reason, I'd like them to be able to test how these materials and repairs perform under real, flight conditions.
No reason to send someone out to do something risky "just because" -- instead they should spend their time on something productive (like get-ahead tasks.)
They've spent time testing repair materials on pre-damaged samples in the payload bay. I think that was time well spent in the same way I think this would be (testing).
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#334
by
Jim
on 11 Jun, 2007 02:58
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MKremer - 10/6/2007 10:42 PM
Lee Jay - 10/6/2007 9:16 PM
I hope they have the time to repair it, and that they choose to do so whether it needs it or not. If for no other reason, I'd like them to be able to test how these materials and repairs perform under real, flight conditions.
Push it back in and slap some 'space tape' over it.
(duct tape fixes almost everything) :laugh:
Exactly. This repair wouldn't be the same as those tested. Blankets are not in sensitive areas. The tested repairs were for tiles and RCC
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#335
by
Jim
on 11 Jun, 2007 03:00
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c.steven - 10/6/2007 10:05 PM
Seeing all of the add-on electronics in the cabin makes you wonder how the early missions ever succeeded! Just think, no digital cameras, mini monitors, laptops to speak of, or any of those things. Just imagine what kind of vehicle could be designed today, with networks, wireless routers, etc. all built in. I guess that's the downfall of flying a 1970's designed vehicle in the 21st century! Speaking of the digital cameas, does JSC even process old fashioned film after missions any more?
HP 41-C was used for backup deorbit burn calculations on the first flights. The first laptops were GRIDS.
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#336
by
MKremer
on 11 Jun, 2007 03:05
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Lee Jay - 10/6/2007 9:49 PM
I love my 200mph tape, and use it for all sorts of things. Trouble is, the Shuttle is just a touch faster than 200mph.
As they said this evening, any aerodynamic loading or buffeting in that area comes well after max heating, so even losing the whole blanket at that point won't matter.
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#337
by
j2_
on 11 Jun, 2007 03:06
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rdale - 10/6/2007 8:48 PM
No reason to send someone out to do something risky "just because" -- instead they should spend their time on something productive (like get-ahead tasks.)
If re-entering as is could cause damage to the OMS pod structure, repairing the pod might make the flight schedule slip. I certainly don't want that.
John Shannon said they're not real keen on damaging flight hardware.
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#338
by
Namechange User
on 11 Jun, 2007 03:15
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We're a long way from a decision point on the blanket. When the analysis is complete for entry heating, we're going to decide how much conservatism is in the model and what the confidence level in that model is. Based on those results, we'll bounce that off the temperature the graphite expoxy shell can realistically take as well as the qual'd limits of the prop tanks and other hardware right behind this part of the shell.
In the meantime they will proceed with the mission as planned. If we have to repair it will be at the end of the mission docked phase.
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#339
by
Jorge
on 11 Jun, 2007 03:42
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c.steven - 10/6/2007 9:05 PM
Seeing all of the add-on electronics in the cabin makes you wonder how the early missions ever succeeded! Just think, no digital cameras, mini monitors, laptops to speak of, or any of those things.
As Jim points out, even those earlier missions used additional tools like the HP-41s and GRiD laptops. But it's also true that ISS assembly flights need more tools due to their complexity. ISS prox ops are highly constrained due to ISS being sensitive to RCS plume impingement, and ISS arm ops operate with tighter clearances and lower visibility for the operator.
