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#160
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:12
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Trekkie07 - 9/6/2007 8:41 PM
Does anyone know where hi-res pictures of yesterday's launch are available online? I checked the NASA website and they don't have very many at all. Sorry in advance if this is the wrong place to post this but I'm fairly new to the site and don't know where were this would be appropriate. Thanks.
Here you go!
http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/search.cfm?cat=71L for Large or Super High Res
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#161
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Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:15
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Downlink of earlier today is happening right now. Recorded during LOS occurrences.
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#162
by
Mark Dave
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:17
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What caused the AFRSI damage?
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#163
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bsegal
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:21
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Anyone know when the MMT briefing from today will be replayed, or if there's a link to it?
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#164
by
Chandonn
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:44
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MarkD - 9/6/2007 10:17 PM
What caused the AFRSI damage?
That's a good question which has been asked a lot today. During launch, one of the cameras caught a Tyvek cover passing near the OMS pod, but it is not believed to have impacted the orbiter. I'm guessing the blanket was a bit loose to begin with and didn't weather the aerodynamic stresses.
Quote from Space.com: "The current hypothesis is that heat transferred from nearby thermal protection tiles during the shuttle's climb into space caused a piece of the blanket to become unstitched."
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/070609_sts117_atlantis_status.htmlAnd quote from the article on this site: "Latest reports from sources on Saturday speak of a Tyvek cover which was seen to pass by the OMS Pod in question. However, NASA managers believe the cover didn't make contact on first views in hi resolution images - acquired by L2 - of all debris events during ascent.
'Analysis by launch team looking at other camera views show that the tyvek cover did NOT strike the OMS pod,' noted NASA information, following some notes that this was the cause of the damage.
"Tyvek cover released 11.2 seconds after launch. Cover passes near port OMS pod but does not contact it."
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5127
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#165
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rdale
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:50
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Any idea where ths space.com hypothesis came from? Doesn't seem to make sense that the low heat of ascent would break down the heat-resistant blanket stitches... As a non-engineer, and the "before" picture from the press conference today, I'd say wind got under there.
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#166
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Chris Bergin
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:52
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Chandonn - 10/6/2007 3:44 AM
MarkD - 9/6/2007 10:17 PM
What caused the AFRSI damage?
That's a good question which has been asked a lot today. During launch, one of the cameras caught a Tyvec cover passing near the OMS pod, but it is not believed to have impacted the orbiter. I'm guessing either it came closer, or the blanket was a bit loose to begin with.
It did not (not believed, it simply didn't) hit the orbiter. I've got an article on site about this.
It's likely to have simply come loose due to aeroloads.
I would also point out a post on this very thread:
OV-106 - 9/6/2007 10:46 PM
My rant: Tyvek covers are always the suspect cause for all damage. Even though all covers separated in spec, with some it is guilty until proven inocent. While I understand, since this is the only real controlled debris on the entire ship and 14 covers rain down over the entire vehicle, it can be annoying. With the speeds and impact energy we are talking about the covers could never cause this type damage when they separate as designed.
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#167
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:55
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Hey the flight day highlights from the crew will be downlinked soon enough after these inspection playbacks are done.
I will post photos in a single post from it for archival. But John44 will you be able to capture the video for posting on Space Multimedia?
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#168
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Chandonn
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:56
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rdale - 9/6/2007 10:50 PM
Any idea where ths space.com hypothesis came from? Doesn't seem to make sense that the low heat of ascent would break down the heat-resistant blanket stitches... As a non-engineer, and the "before" picture from the press conference today, I'd say wind got under there.
I've cited both quotes above. Naturally, Chris' article is more thorough on the subject. Space.com doesn't have a reference for the statement.
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#169
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Lee Jay
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:58
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Is there any informed speculation as to what they could do about it if doing something about it were deemed necessary after analysis? Is simply tucking it back in worth anything? Could some of the various chemicals designed for patching a damaged component of the TPS be used to stick it back down?
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#170
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Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:59
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Computer generated image of what the shuttle crew did today, could only grab one good photo.
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#171
by
Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:00
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If they have time maybe it could be a good idea to try that. If anything just to get more info about how repairs on blankets behave in case some serious loss happens.
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#172
by
rdale
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:03
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Lee Jay - 9/6/2007 10:58 PM
Is there any informed speculation as to what they could do about it if doing something about it were deemed necessary after analysis?
Covered in the press conference tonight... Tuck it in, put a plate over it, use some of the tile repair materials, pin it -- plenty of options if needed.
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#173
by
Chandonn
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:03
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Lee Jay - 9/6/2007 10:58 PM
Is there any informed speculation as to what they could do about it if doing something about it were deemed necessary after analysis? Is simply tucking it back in worth anything? Could some of the various chemicals designed for patching a damaged component of the TPS be used to stick it back down?
I'm wondering if some of the tile repair techniques would work here. would any adhesive substance onboard work under re-entry loads? But the blankets are designed for low-temperature areas of the orbiter. If there is any damage during entry, it will most likely be a maintenance issue.
As for the flight day highlights: I'm hoping to see them on Space Multimedia. There are a few vids I would have liked from FD-01 (like the suit-up. Seems NASA's website doesn't allow downloads of vid for this).
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#174
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Chris Bergin
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:07
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rdale - 9/6/2007 10:50 PM
Any idea where ths space.com hypothesis came from? Doesn't seem to make sense that the low heat of ascent would break down the heat-resistant blanket stitches... As a non-engineer, and the "before" picture from the press conference today, I'd say wind got under there.
I'm not even aware of whatever hypothesis space.com have russled up. We work off documented information from MMT, MER and OPO during missions. As soon as a documented reason for this minor damage is noted we'll report it, on the site (nothing is kept a big secret on L2, we just use that for where we place the documentation)
We have 15 documents along these lines from FD2 on L2, and this is very much a work in process evaluation.
Bill Harwood (in my opinion) had the best point from the briefing, noting this is simply not a biggy because of flight history. This is getting the main bulk of reporting because it was the only new thing to report on last night, post ascent.
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#175
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Chris Bergin
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:12
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bsegal - 10/6/2007 3:21 AM
Anyone know when the MMT briefing from today will be replayed, or if there's a link to it?
I'm not sure of repeat times, but I know John 44 will have recorded it, and should be linked soon. Check the video thread on this 117 section, he posts new updates there
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#176
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Lee Jay
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:14
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rdale - 9/6/2007 9:03 PM
Lee Jay - 9/6/2007 10:58 PM
Is there any informed speculation as to what they could do about it if doing something about it were deemed necessary after analysis?
Covered in the press conference tonight... Tuck it in, put a plate over it, use some of the tile repair materials, pin it -- plenty of options if needed.
Thank you. I missed the conference due to family business and it doesn't seem to be up on space-multimedia yet. I appreciate you providing the information I missed.
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#177
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Chris Bergin
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:24
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>"Quote from Space.com: "The current hypothesis is that heat transferred from nearby thermal protection tiles during the shuttle's climb into space caused a piece of the blanket to become unstitched." <
Hmm, they decided not to cite that hypothesis? It's certainly not on any presentation today (MER or MMT - and they are the gospel during missions)
SE&I are working the theory of some sort of debris hit a per main presentation on this. Others are evaluating/not given any theories at this stage (likely because they'd want to actually find the cause before stating).
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#178
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:30
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10 Mins till FD Video from the crew. Remember i'll handle images but still looking to know if John44 will record video.
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#179
by
AstroRJY
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:36
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Some idiot journalist on The Drudge Report has a big headline calling the protruding blanket a "gash" in the shuttle. Just as yesterday CNN was getting apoplectic half an hour before launch about the flight being scrubbed for TAL weather.
