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LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 2 - Inspection Day
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 12:23
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Live update pages for the whole of FD2.
FD02 – OBSS and RNDZ Prep
• RNDZ Burns - NC-2 and NC-3 rendezvous burns are planned to allow adequate time for
RMS surveys using OBSS. NPC is not scheduled since it will likely be combined with one of
the other two burns this day.
• Maneuvers - Prior to crew sleep, the CDR will future load the maneuver for the FD03 simo
dump. The maneuver starts after crew wakeup on FD03.
• OBSS Surveys - Starboard wing, nose cap, and port wing.
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5127
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#1
by
Zachstar
on 09 Jun, 2007 12:34
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A nice image for archive and to start this lovely day.
Here is to a GREAT day of inspections!
Best of Luck!
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#2
by
SimonShuttle
on 09 Jun, 2007 12:59
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I hope we'll get some decent wake-up songs this mission
On the OMS Pod, what have we seen historically like this before?
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#3
by
Fred Clausen
on 09 Jun, 2007 13:06
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Crew wakeup scheduled for 0908 eastern.
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#4
by
psloss
on 09 Jun, 2007 13:13
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Fred Clausen - 9/6/2007 9:06 AM
Crew wakeup scheduled for 0908 eastern.
Rev A of the TV schedule is out and wake up is on there 30 minutes later...I thought I heard PAO talking about 9:08 Central...I'm sure we'll get another status on that after the FD1 highlights replay concludes.
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#5
by
Fred Clausen
on 09 Jun, 2007 13:16
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Was it 9:08 central? We'll blame it on the lack of coffee when I heard the PAO talking about the time
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#6
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 13:36
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30 minutes to wake up from this point.
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#7
by
psloss
on 09 Jun, 2007 13:45
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For TV schedule watchers, PAO (Pat Ryan) just noted that Rev. B is "imminent" with some tweaks to the end of rendezvous sequence (RPM, etc.)
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#8
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Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 14:03
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Large amount of hi res ascent images with debris events on L2.
For the ongoing with the OMS damage (small version I know) this is not initially thought to be the cause (Tyvek cover).
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#9
by
jmjawors
on 09 Jun, 2007 14:11
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Wake up call! The day officially begins for the crew.
Not into country music. Anyone know what this song is?
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#10
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 14:11
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Yeeee haawww
"I like Big Boy's Toys"
Song for CJ..wife and kids selection on the song.
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#11
by
ApolloLee
on 09 Jun, 2007 14:40
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SimonShuttle - 9/6/2007 5:59 AM
On the OMS Pod, what have we seen historically like this before?
STS-1 wasn't that far off....
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image via space.com
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#12
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Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 14:46
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OBSS unberth at Noon Central. So we've got a while to go before inspections.
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#13
by
bsegal
on 09 Jun, 2007 14:51
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Does anyone have the FD2 execute package?
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#14
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 14:51
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Would this pose an immediate threat to the landing of this crew? I mean, STS-1 had more wrong with her, and she landed fine.
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#15
by
kneecaps
on 09 Jun, 2007 14:58
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bsegal - 9/6/2007 3:51 PM
Does anyone have the FD2 execute package?
I bet you want it for the FD02 detailed timelines....they only updated FD01 in the 'FINAL' timeline
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#16
by
MKremer
on 09 Jun, 2007 14:58
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Ford Mustang - 9/6/2007 9:51 AM
Would this pose an immediate threat to the landing of this crew? I mean, STS-1 had more wrong with her, and she landed fine.
True, and we can guess and speculate all we want, but let's also see what NASA says (since they can do all the airflow/heating simulations as well as physical testing). (and give them a few days to do it)
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#17
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 15:04
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#18
by
dsmillman
on 09 Jun, 2007 15:09
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#19
by
bsegal
on 09 Jun, 2007 15:09
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#20
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 15:26
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#21
by
Do Shuttles Dream
on 09 Jun, 2007 16:13
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So today is mainly inspections? It's not the full set of inspections is it? There's the flip tomorrow?
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#22
by
Felix
on 09 Jun, 2007 16:24
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NC2 OMS burn is underway
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#23
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 16:24
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#24
by
nathan.moeller
on 09 Jun, 2007 16:26
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Do Shuttles Dream - 9/6/2007 11:13 AM
So today is mainly inspections? It's not the full set of inspections is it? There's the flip tomorrow?
Right. They'll inspect the RCC panels, nosecap, etc. with the OBSS. Tomorrow is the RPM (rotational pitch maneuver) beneath the station for photography.
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#25
by
kneecaps
on 09 Jun, 2007 16:37
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Are you sure? They gave tig as 17:02:40 on the PAd.
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#26
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 16:38
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12 Flight Day 2 Presentations that are going to the MMT later today now on L2.
Here's some screenshots of one presentation as it's related to what we've ran on the OMS Pod blanket.
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#27
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 16:42
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And those two above OMS engines are now burning for just under 30 seconds for the burn.
Good burn, no trim required.
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#28
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 16:42
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Burn complete, no trim required.
Next burn: 8 and a half hours away, NC3 burn.
After that: On FD3, there will be an NC4 burn.
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#29
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Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 16:51
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We're closing in on the start of inspections.
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#30
by
Satori
on 09 Jun, 2007 16:59
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Does anyone has the launch time in the format 2338:04.XXX? Thanks!
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#31
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 17:06
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Shuttle arm unberth.
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#32
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 17:10
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#33
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 17:19
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Good unberth and positoning of the arm, moving into place to grapple the OBSS.
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#34
by
JMS
on 09 Jun, 2007 17:21
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Do Shuttles Dream - 9/6/2007 11:13 AM
So today is mainly inspections? It's not the full set of inspections is it? There's the flip tomorrow?
I believe it's a full inspection.
They're just getting better at it, tweaking the procedures and multi-tasking.
As an example, I read an account this morning that describes taking shots with the Hi-Res camera on the OBSS at the same time as the scan is taking place.
They've been done separately up till now.
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#35
by
An0NyM0uS
on 09 Jun, 2007 17:21
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#36
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 17:22
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Heading into Orbit Night for grapple, and the checkout.
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#37
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 17:36
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JMS - 9/6/2007 6:21 PM
Do Shuttles Dream - 9/6/2007 11:13 AM
So today is mainly inspections? It's not the full set of inspections is it? There's the flip tomorrow?
I believe it's a full inspection.
They're just getting better at it, tweaking the procedures and multi-tasking.
As an example, I read an account this morning that describes taking shots with the Hi-Res camera on the OBSS at the same time as the scan is taking place.
They've been done separately up till now.
It's the full OBSS check. The RPM tomorrow is another element, based on photography.
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#38
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 17:45
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#39
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 17:51
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#40
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 17:52
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Atlantis being positioned for the start of OBSS surverys.
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#41
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 17:58
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OBSS Unberthing underway.
90 minute wing surveys, 50 minute nosecap survey.
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#42
by
Ankle-bone12
on 09 Jun, 2007 18:17
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whats the smokey stuff around the orbiter?
Never mind I just realized that was the earth.
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#43
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Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 18:19
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Survey expected to start any minute. Still calibrating.
Battery charge in progress (EVA suits checkout).
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#44
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 18:37
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Looks like they need some troubleshooting on the OBSS. Steps 1-3 ok, but Step 4 is an issue.
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#45
by
kneecaps
on 09 Jun, 2007 18:47
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Seems the problem is with the 'LCC' software on the PGSC...but i'm not sure what it is.
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#46
by
DaveS
on 09 Jun, 2007 18:54
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kneecaps - 9/6/2007 8:47 PM
Seems the problem is with the 'LCC' software on the PGSC...but i'm not sure what it is.
Laser Camera Control? Just a guess, but it's fitting since all cameras on the OBSS(- the ITVC) is laser cameras.
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#47
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 18:57
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Looks like we're about to get underway!
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#48
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 18:59
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They're using SSV imagary capture only at the moment. Not sure if they've fixed the issue?
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#49
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 19:03
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OBSS is in motion, still using the SSV Image Capture, no video, just pictures.
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#50
by
DaveS
on 09 Jun, 2007 19:05
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Ford Mustang - 9/6/2007 9:03 PM
OBSS is in motion, still using the SSV Image Capture, no video, just pictures.
This due to that the KU is not available.
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#51
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 19:06
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Ah, I didn't notice that KU wasn't avaliable. Will it be back in the latter part of this survey?
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#52
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 19:06
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Just a note to new people here, we usually have images covered, so there's no need to add any more, especially when they are lower quality that we use here. Thanks.
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#53
by
kneecaps
on 09 Jun, 2007 19:13
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DaveS - 9/6/2007 8:05 PM
Ford Mustang - 9/6/2007 9:03 PM
OBSS is in motion, still using the SSV Image Capture, no video, just pictures.
This due to that the KU is not available.
Looks to be due to extra limits to protect RMS...as the flightplan shows we should have coverage.
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#54
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 19:15
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Live video is back.
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#55
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 19:44
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They're down on the timeline with this, but finally making some headway with the starboard wing.
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#56
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 19:52
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Four sections of Seven completed on the Starboard wing.
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#57
by
STSFan10
on 09 Jun, 2007 19:58
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Will we be able to spot anything from these images? This is my first mission here
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#58
by
DaveS
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:01
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STSFan10 - 9/6/2007 9:58 PM
Will we be able to spot anything from these images? This is my first mission here
Not likely unless there's a huge crack on the panels.
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#59
by
An0NyM0uS
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:02
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backside
video is getting clear
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#60
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:02
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STSFan10 - 9/6/2007 8:58 PM
Will we be able to spot anything from these images? This is my first mission here
Dare I mention the imfamous bird poo...no, I daren't
You can see details here, but the images that are being taken are super, super hi resolution and you're not seeing it here with the scan. You'd only get to see a big hole via these images, and you really don't want to see that.
I'll find you an example from L2 from 116.
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#61
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:04
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#62
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:05
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#63
by
DaveS
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:08
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An0NyM0uS - 9/6/2007 10:02 PM
backside
video is getting clear
That is from the ITVC(Intensified TeleVision Camera). The flashing image is from the LDRI(Laser Dynamic Range Imager).
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#64
by
Mark Dave
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:16
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I saw earlier an arrow on one of the tiles. Is that supposed to be there?
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#65
by
DaveS
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:17
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MarkD - 9/6/2007 10:16 PM
I saw earlier an arrow on one of the tiles. Is that supposed to be there?
Yes.
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#66
by
Flightstar
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:17
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MarkD - 9/6/2007 3:16 PM
I saw earlier an arrow on one of the tiles. Is that supposed to be there?
Yes, you'll see many things like this.
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#67
by
Felix
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:22
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Atlantis will come over Europe in about 5 minutes (from east to west)
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#68
by
SMS
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:24
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Satori - 9/6/2007 5:59 PM
Does anyone has the launch time in the format 2338:04.XXX? Thanks!
23:38:03.976 UTC
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#69
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:31
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Starboard Survey complete.
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#70
by
Stardust9906
on 09 Jun, 2007 20:56
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#71
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 21:06
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#72
by
Stardust9906
on 09 Jun, 2007 21:09
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#73
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 21:13
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#74
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 21:20
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#75
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 21:22
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From L2:
WLE (Wing Leading Edge) Sensors picked up six hits during ascent. All small and no concern (MMT not worried at all).
One screenshot from one of the presentations going on L2 now:
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#76
by
SpaceUSMC
on 09 Jun, 2007 21:24
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Does anyone know what time inspections started today?
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#77
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 21:27
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Started around 2:55 PM EDT. Just a tick behind schedule.
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#78
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 21:34
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#79
by
Namechange User
on 09 Jun, 2007 21:46
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My rant: Tyvek covers are always the suspect cause for all damage. Even though all covers separated in spec, with some it is guilty until proven inocent. While I understand, since this is the only real controlled debris on the entire ship and 14 covers rain down over the entire vehicle, it can be annoying. With the speeds and impact energy we are talking about the covers could never cause this type damage when they separate as designed.
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#80
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 21:46
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Positioning Atlantis for correct sunlight use for next survey
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#81
by
Flightstar
on 09 Jun, 2007 21:53
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OV-106 - 9/6/2007 4:46 PM
My rant: Tyvek covers are always the suspect cause for all damage. Even though all covers separated in spec, with some it is guilty until proven inocent. While I understand, since this is the only real controlled debris on the entire ship and 14 covers rain down over the entire vehicle, it can be annoying. With the speeds and impact energy we are talking about the covers could never cause this type damage when they separate as designed.
Who other than NASA suspected the Tyvek covers?
"Analysis by launch team looking at other camera views show that the tyvek cover did NOT strike the OMS pod. Tyvek cover released 11.2 seconds after launch. Cover passes near port OMS pod but does not contact it."
It was NASA themselves who made the reference to the covers and the OMS Pod Blanket damage.
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#82
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:01
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Inspection started. Should be done in 90 minutes.
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#83
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:22
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Now under a period of LOS, not sure how long.
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#84
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Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:25
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Ford Mustang - 9/6/2007 11:22 PM
Now under a period of LOS, not sure how long.
Showing it here:
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#85
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:28
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#86
by
kneecaps
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:30
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Did we have the meanings of the bars somewhere?
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#87
by
UprightCitizen
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:33
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Are they watching Apollo 13?
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#88
by
kneecaps
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:35
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LOL!
I'm thinking what the!? At this point
They are either watching it..or somebody with a twisted sense of humour is transmitting it up!
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#89
by
Peter NASA
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:37
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At least it wasn't Armageddon.
"100, ok. 200, ok. 300, err disaster for space station."
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#90
by
kneecaps
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:40
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I just find the thought of "Apollo 13" or being watched on a space mission highly amusing!
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#91
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:40
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#92
by
hornet
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:44
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kneecaps - 9/6/2007 3:40 PM
I just find the thought of "Apollo 13" or being watched on a space mission highly amusing!
Yea but it will remind the crew that no matter what the guys on the ground won't give up on them.
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#93
by
Stardust9906
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:45
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#94
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:46
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#95
by
Jorge
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:47
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kneecaps - 9/6/2007 5:30 PM
Did we have the meanings of the bars somewhere?
The key is over on the left edge of the page (which you snipped).
The thick bar on top is orbital night. The staggered sets of three bars below are comm coverage for TDRS W, E, and Z, respectively.
The only part not in the key is what the black and white sub-bars mean - I think it's S-band on top, Ku-band on bottom.
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#96
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:50
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Do I see missing tiles, or is that normal?
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#97
by
DaveS
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:51
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Ford Mustang - 10/6/2007 12:50 AM
Do I see missing tiles, or is that normal?
I don't see any missing tiles.
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#98
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:52
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#99
by
Chris Bergin
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:52
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Looks like a shadow.
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#100
by
kneecaps
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:56
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The key is over on the left edge of the page (which you snipped).
The thick bar on top is orbital night. The staggered sets of three bars below are comm coverage for TDRS W, E, and Z, respectively.
The only part not in the key is what the black and white sub-bars mean - I think it's S-band on top, Ku-band on bottom.
My bad, I should have been specific about what I meant...I was seeking clarification on only the top and bottom comm coverage bars...so we think that top black bars are S-band and lower (white) are Ku-coverage?
Great.
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#101
by
Stardust9906
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:56
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#102
by
DaveS
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:57
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Chris Bergin - 10/6/2007 12:52 AM
Looks like a shadow.
I agree with that.
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#103
by
UprightCitizen
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:57
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Ahh, the Apollo 13 quotes and questions was a competition between Houston and Huntsville.
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#104
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 22:59
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Better shot, not sure if it is a missing tile or shadow. Just posting for different view.
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#105
by
DaveS
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:02
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Ford Mustang - 10/6/2007 12:59 AM
Better shot, not sure if it is a missing tile or shadow. Just posting for different view.
The tiles are there, they just have a different shading that the rest. I can see the water proofing injection holes on both of them.
You can see them in this photo:
http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/images//large/07pd0284.jpgThey're just below the FRCS servicing panel.
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#106
by
psloss
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:04
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Status briefing coming up...
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#107
by
Ford Mustang
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:05
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Thanks, Dave. Wasn't sure what was going on, just spotted them as they were leaving the shot.
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#108
by
psloss
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:10
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Cathy Koerner and John Shannon for this briefing...Mr. Shannon brought slides...
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#109
by
psloss
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:12
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SRBs will be back in port tomorrow afternoon.
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#110
by
psloss
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:36
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As noted in the status briefing, PAO notes that they are looking at doing an additional inspection of the area of left OMS pod where the corner of the thermal blanket has come up...coupled with that would be a change to the NC-3 burn that would defer it one orbit and also make it into two burns...
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#111
by
Fred Clausen
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:37
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Considering adding in an OBSS review of the OMS pod blanket. Would add 30 min in the arm plan, which would push back the next OMS burn 90 minutes, and would add a second, smaller burn 30 minutes after that.
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#112
by
psloss
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:41
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If they decide to stick with the original plan, the NC-3 burn would be a little after 9 pm Eastern (0100 GMT)
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#113
by
psloss
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:45
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Sounds like they are going to go ahead with the changes and the crew will work some of that while they're out of comm (presumably in the ZOE) for approx. 15 minutes.
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#114
by
psloss
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:47
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They are still hoping to keep the NC-3 burn as-is and that the extra OBSS work can be completed before the planned burn time (about 80 minutes away).
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#115
by
Mark Dave
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:50
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Any news as to what caused the AFRSI blanket to pop out like that? I saw a pic, but it's too small for me to see clearly, and my poor eye sight doesn't help. Can someone enlarge that photo?
When will the SRB footage be shown?
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#116
by
DaveS
on 09 Jun, 2007 23:56
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MarkD - 10/6/2007 1:50 AM
When will the SRB footage be shown?
When R/V Liberty Star and R/V Freedom Star returns with the SRBs, which should be sometime on Monday afternoon. Maybe around Tuesday/Wednesday.
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#117
by
psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:00
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DaveS - 9/6/2007 7:56 PM
MarkD - 10/6/2007 1:50 AM
When will the SRB footage be shown?
When R/V Liberty Star and R/V Freedom Star returns with the SRBs, which should be sometime on Monday afternoon. Maybe around Tuesday/Wednesday.
At least according to John Shannon in the status briefing, they were going to be back at Port Canaveral tomorrow (Sunday).
John Shannon said he hoped to see the video in the Monday MMT, but when the public will see the playbacks may depend on timing and events of the day(s).
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#118
by
rcaron
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:02
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I could have sworn the briefing said the SRBs would be in tomorrow afternoon, 2 & 4PM EDT. I'd expect to see a little glimpse of it at tomorrow's briefing (they did that on the last couple missions), and the whole videos after the MMT has reviewed it Monday.
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#119
by
Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:06
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#120
by
psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:07
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rcaron - 9/6/2007 8:02 PM
I could have sworn the briefing said the SRBs would be in tomorrow afternoon, 2 & 4PM EDT. I'd expect to see a little glimpse of it at tomorrow's briefing (they did that on the last couple missions), and the whole videos after the MMT has reviewed it Monday.
That would be a new speed record; I don't think we've seen excerpts of the recorded video the same day the boosters got back into port.
If the MMT sees it on Monday, then maybe John Shannon will bring an excerpt to the briefing...
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#121
by
Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:08
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Close up of the OMS pod blanket damage.
Images
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#122
by
psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:08
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Opening the camera iris up...looks like some billowing in the blanket corner there...
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#123
by
Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:10
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#124
by
Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:11
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More Images from the close up. Ready to be archived Chris
Edit:
Image 1: Very Close View of blanket damage.
Image 2: Same Angle but with greater exposure by the camera on the OBSS
Image 3: Imaging System (Intensivied TV and Laser) Image of the damage.
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#125
by
psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:13
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All done...now going to stow the boom and get ready for the burn in 56 minutes.
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#126
by
DaveS
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:21
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psloss - 10/6/2007 2:13 AM
All done...now going to stow the boom and get ready for the burn in 56 minutes.
Back to the pod. Imagery team wants more data.
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#127
by
psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:21
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Nice shot from RMS elbow camera...
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#128
by
Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:22
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Wonderful shot!
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#129
by
Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:26
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Photos of OBSS/RMS Stowage
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#130
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Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:30
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#131
by
psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:37
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Right on the cusp of being able to support NC-3 in about 30 minutes vs. delaying a rev...going to proceed with OBSS berthed and RMS grappled -- that is supposed to take another 15 minutes or so.
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#132
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:46
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Image 1: View of the OBSS end
Image 2: Berthing Ops
Image 3: Berthing Complete
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#133
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Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:51
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Duplicated image was edited into Zach's posts.
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#134
by
psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 00:53
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A couple of upcoming burn params:
Ignition at 01/01:31:45.2 MET (I think this works out to about 01:09:49 GMT)
Delta-V: 143.8 fps
Duration: 93 seconds
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#135
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Chandonn
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:00
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The burn has started
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#136
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Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:00
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Chandonn, burn starts in 10 minutes (Said by PAO)
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#137
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Chandonn
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:02
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On NASA TV, it was just stated "Flight Dynamics Officer reports the burn has started"
maybe I misheard.. Lagged here on the video anyway
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#138
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psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:03
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Chandonn - 9/6/2007 9:02 PM
On NASA TV, it was just stated "Flight Dynamics Officer reports the burn has started"
They haven't maneuvered to burn attitude yet (in about one minute).
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#139
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:06
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Spooky Camera image from a bay camera.
Question: Does anyone know how the camera modes work? I guess this is a very low light B&W mode that trips on when there is little light or low KU bandwith?
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#140
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psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:06
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GNC reports they are in attitude for the burn...ignition at 21:09:49 Eastern...
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#141
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:08
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Did anyone else see that thing floating out of the bay? The same angle in this view but its not in the image. It looks kinda like some kind of nut or washer.
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#142
by
marsguy
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:10
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Saw it. Not sure what it was, though.
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#143
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psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:10
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Burn started, two good engines.
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#144
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Chandonn
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:11
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PAO reports the burn has started! (Heard it right that time!)
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#145
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psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:11
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Good burn, no trim required.
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#146
by
psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:13
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Nice live video of OMS ignition for that burn.
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#147
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ZeeNL
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:14
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Burn started with a little jolt and a noticeable red coloured puff from the RCS system in the nose.
EDIT: I was wrong, the puff was from the OMS, I thought I was looking forward.
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#148
by
psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:15
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ZeeNL - 9/6/2007 9:14 PM
Burn started with a little jolt and a noticeable red coloured puff from the RCS system in the nose.
The view is from an aft-looking camera...that was the flash from the OMS...
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#149
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ZeeNL
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:18
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psloss - 10/6/2007 3:15 AM
ZeeNL - 9/6/2007 9:14 PM
Burn started with a little jolt and a noticeable red coloured puff from the RCS system in the nose.
The view is from an aft-looking camera...that was the flash from the OMS...
Hmm, thought I heard they said it was an aft-located camera.
But can be easily settled. At what side of the orbiter is the OBSS?
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#150
by
psloss
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:20
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ZeeNL - 9/6/2007 9:18 PM
Hmm, thought I heard they said it was an aft-located camera. But can be easily settled. At what side of the orbiter is the OBSS?
You're looking at the OBSS in its cradle, with the arm grappled to it from the top of the screen.
(The OBSS cradle is on the starboard sill of the payload bay.)
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#151
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Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:21
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#152
by
ZeeNL
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:23
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psloss - 10/6/2007 3:20 AM
ZeeNL - 9/6/2007 9:18 PM
Hmm, thought I heard they said it was an aft-located camera. But can be easily settled. At what side of the orbiter is the OBSS?
You're looking at the OBSS in its cradle, with the arm grappled to it from the top of the screen.
(The OBSS cradle is on the starboard sill of the payload bay.)
Yeps, you were right of course. I've found a picture on the net that explains it all. The RMS is on the left side on the orbiter and the OBSS on the right with both of their cradles on the forward side of the orbiter.
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#153
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ChrisGebhardt
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:41
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Does anyone know where hi-res pictures of yesterday's launch are available online? I checked the NASA website and they don't have very many at all. Sorry in advance if this is the wrong place to post this but I'm fairly new to the site and don't know where were this would be appropriate. Thanks.
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#154
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rdale
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:42
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If you want NASA's you'll need to wait on the NASA website to post them, it's not an instant process.
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#155
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ChrisGebhardt
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:46
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i know, I just remember them posting a variety of images the day after launch on the last few missions. Oh well, I can wait. Thanks.
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#156
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Lee Jay
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:48
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#157
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mdrapp
on 10 Jun, 2007 01:53
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In the wide-angle view of Mission Control that shows the front three screens, the left side is bordered by the American flag, but what is the emblem bordering the rightmost screen?
--Michael
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#158
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Lee Jay
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:04
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#159
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mdrapp
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:11
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Thanks, Lee. Interesting emblem....I wonder if the orange ball with what looks like an oribital path signifies Mars.
--Michael
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#160
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:12
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Trekkie07 - 9/6/2007 8:41 PM
Does anyone know where hi-res pictures of yesterday's launch are available online? I checked the NASA website and they don't have very many at all. Sorry in advance if this is the wrong place to post this but I'm fairly new to the site and don't know where were this would be appropriate. Thanks.
Here you go!
http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/search.cfm?cat=71L for Large or Super High Res
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#161
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Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:15
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Downlink of earlier today is happening right now. Recorded during LOS occurrences.
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#162
by
Mark Dave
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:17
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What caused the AFRSI damage?
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#163
by
bsegal
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:21
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Anyone know when the MMT briefing from today will be replayed, or if there's a link to it?
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#164
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Chandonn
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:44
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MarkD - 9/6/2007 10:17 PM
What caused the AFRSI damage?
That's a good question which has been asked a lot today. During launch, one of the cameras caught a Tyvek cover passing near the OMS pod, but it is not believed to have impacted the orbiter. I'm guessing the blanket was a bit loose to begin with and didn't weather the aerodynamic stresses.
Quote from Space.com: "The current hypothesis is that heat transferred from nearby thermal protection tiles during the shuttle's climb into space caused a piece of the blanket to become unstitched."
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/070609_sts117_atlantis_status.htmlAnd quote from the article on this site: "Latest reports from sources on Saturday speak of a Tyvek cover which was seen to pass by the OMS Pod in question. However, NASA managers believe the cover didn't make contact on first views in hi resolution images - acquired by L2 - of all debris events during ascent.
'Analysis by launch team looking at other camera views show that the tyvek cover did NOT strike the OMS pod,' noted NASA information, following some notes that this was the cause of the damage.
"Tyvek cover released 11.2 seconds after launch. Cover passes near port OMS pod but does not contact it."
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5127
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#165
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rdale
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:50
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Any idea where ths space.com hypothesis came from? Doesn't seem to make sense that the low heat of ascent would break down the heat-resistant blanket stitches... As a non-engineer, and the "before" picture from the press conference today, I'd say wind got under there.
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#166
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Chris Bergin
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:52
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Chandonn - 10/6/2007 3:44 AM
MarkD - 9/6/2007 10:17 PM
What caused the AFRSI damage?
That's a good question which has been asked a lot today. During launch, one of the cameras caught a Tyvec cover passing near the OMS pod, but it is not believed to have impacted the orbiter. I'm guessing either it came closer, or the blanket was a bit loose to begin with.
It did not (not believed, it simply didn't) hit the orbiter. I've got an article on site about this.
It's likely to have simply come loose due to aeroloads.
I would also point out a post on this very thread:
OV-106 - 9/6/2007 10:46 PM
My rant: Tyvek covers are always the suspect cause for all damage. Even though all covers separated in spec, with some it is guilty until proven inocent. While I understand, since this is the only real controlled debris on the entire ship and 14 covers rain down over the entire vehicle, it can be annoying. With the speeds and impact energy we are talking about the covers could never cause this type damage when they separate as designed.
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#167
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:55
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Hey the flight day highlights from the crew will be downlinked soon enough after these inspection playbacks are done.
I will post photos in a single post from it for archival. But John44 will you be able to capture the video for posting on Space Multimedia?
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#168
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Chandonn
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:56
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rdale - 9/6/2007 10:50 PM
Any idea where ths space.com hypothesis came from? Doesn't seem to make sense that the low heat of ascent would break down the heat-resistant blanket stitches... As a non-engineer, and the "before" picture from the press conference today, I'd say wind got under there.
I've cited both quotes above. Naturally, Chris' article is more thorough on the subject. Space.com doesn't have a reference for the statement.
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#169
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Lee Jay
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:58
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Is there any informed speculation as to what they could do about it if doing something about it were deemed necessary after analysis? Is simply tucking it back in worth anything? Could some of the various chemicals designed for patching a damaged component of the TPS be used to stick it back down?
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#170
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Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 02:59
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Computer generated image of what the shuttle crew did today, could only grab one good photo.
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#171
by
Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:00
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If they have time maybe it could be a good idea to try that. If anything just to get more info about how repairs on blankets behave in case some serious loss happens.
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#172
by
rdale
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:03
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Lee Jay - 9/6/2007 10:58 PM
Is there any informed speculation as to what they could do about it if doing something about it were deemed necessary after analysis?
Covered in the press conference tonight... Tuck it in, put a plate over it, use some of the tile repair materials, pin it -- plenty of options if needed.
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#173
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Chandonn
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:03
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Lee Jay - 9/6/2007 10:58 PM
Is there any informed speculation as to what they could do about it if doing something about it were deemed necessary after analysis? Is simply tucking it back in worth anything? Could some of the various chemicals designed for patching a damaged component of the TPS be used to stick it back down?
I'm wondering if some of the tile repair techniques would work here. would any adhesive substance onboard work under re-entry loads? But the blankets are designed for low-temperature areas of the orbiter. If there is any damage during entry, it will most likely be a maintenance issue.
As for the flight day highlights: I'm hoping to see them on Space Multimedia. There are a few vids I would have liked from FD-01 (like the suit-up. Seems NASA's website doesn't allow downloads of vid for this).
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#174
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Chris Bergin
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:07
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rdale - 9/6/2007 10:50 PM
Any idea where ths space.com hypothesis came from? Doesn't seem to make sense that the low heat of ascent would break down the heat-resistant blanket stitches... As a non-engineer, and the "before" picture from the press conference today, I'd say wind got under there.
I'm not even aware of whatever hypothesis space.com have russled up. We work off documented information from MMT, MER and OPO during missions. As soon as a documented reason for this minor damage is noted we'll report it, on the site (nothing is kept a big secret on L2, we just use that for where we place the documentation)
We have 15 documents along these lines from FD2 on L2, and this is very much a work in process evaluation.
Bill Harwood (in my opinion) had the best point from the briefing, noting this is simply not a biggy because of flight history. This is getting the main bulk of reporting because it was the only new thing to report on last night, post ascent.
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#175
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Chris Bergin
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:12
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bsegal - 10/6/2007 3:21 AM
Anyone know when the MMT briefing from today will be replayed, or if there's a link to it?
I'm not sure of repeat times, but I know John 44 will have recorded it, and should be linked soon. Check the video thread on this 117 section, he posts new updates there
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#176
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Lee Jay
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:14
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rdale - 9/6/2007 9:03 PM
Lee Jay - 9/6/2007 10:58 PM
Is there any informed speculation as to what they could do about it if doing something about it were deemed necessary after analysis?
Covered in the press conference tonight... Tuck it in, put a plate over it, use some of the tile repair materials, pin it -- plenty of options if needed.
Thank you. I missed the conference due to family business and it doesn't seem to be up on space-multimedia yet. I appreciate you providing the information I missed.
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#177
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Chris Bergin
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:24
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>"Quote from Space.com: "The current hypothesis is that heat transferred from nearby thermal protection tiles during the shuttle's climb into space caused a piece of the blanket to become unstitched." <
Hmm, they decided not to cite that hypothesis? It's certainly not on any presentation today (MER or MMT - and they are the gospel during missions)
SE&I are working the theory of some sort of debris hit a per main presentation on this. Others are evaluating/not given any theories at this stage (likely because they'd want to actually find the cause before stating).
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#178
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:30
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10 Mins till FD Video from the crew. Remember i'll handle images but still looking to know if John44 will record video.
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#179
by
AstroRJY
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:36
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Some idiot journalist on The Drudge Report has a big headline calling the protruding blanket a "gash" in the shuttle. Just as yesterday CNN was getting apoplectic half an hour before launch about the flight being scrubbed for TAL weather.
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#180
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:38
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Ok video from the crew coming in. Here are images!
Edit: These images were taken from a live NASA TV Snapshot page. At a result of some ROTTEN luck it usually took a snapshot at the wrong time. (Such as when a crewmember was blocking the camera or it was pointed wrong)
I got these images but it is MUCH better watching the video. I hope John44 captured some and I hope yall will watch the highlights after the crew rests.
I'm going to work on a method of getting VLC images down to a good size for posting on here so I don't have to rely on that snapshot feed. My goal is for high quality archival images at any time under 30kb.
FD2 Crew Highlights Images.
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#181
by
ZeeNL
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:49
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Very spectacular video from the crew of STS 117!
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#182
by
mdrapp
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:51
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I have a question about how they did those highlights. Do they have a camera (or tape) designated as the "daily highlight tape"...such that these shots are unedited and recorded sequentially? They don't do (or rather have the time to do) digital video editing up there....or do they?
--Michael
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#183
by
Ford Mustang
on 10 Jun, 2007 03:54
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They use a Mini DV camera on orbit to take additional video for things like what you just saw. These are unedited, from what I know, and are recorded event after event.
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#184
by
AstroRJY
on 10 Jun, 2007 04:06
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I think the daily FD highlights are assembled and edited on the ground by the NASA TV people at JSC.
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#185
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 04:10
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AstroRJY - 9/6/2007 11:06 PM
I think the daily FD highlights are assembled and edited on the ground by the NASA TV people at JSC.
Thats NASA FD highlights. This Crew Flight day highlights seem to be a new feature where they toss a camera around and then talk about it as its being downlinked.
Alot better than STS-121 where you basicly saw no views inside the Orbiter outside of press conferences.
114 managed to have KU during docking so we were able to watch the shake of docking from a camera on one of the seats live! I hope they do that again.
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#186
by
Ankle-bone12
on 10 Jun, 2007 04:48
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Zachstar - 9/6/2007 11:10 PM
AstroRJY - 9/6/2007 11:06 PM
I think the daily FD highlights are assembled and edited on the ground by the NASA TV people at JSC.
Thats NASA FD highlights. This Crew Flight day highlights seem to be a new feature where they toss a camera around and then talk about it as its being downlinked.
Alot better than STS-121 where you basicly saw no views inside the Orbiter outside of press conferences.
114 managed to have KU during docking so we were able to watch the shake of docking from a camera on one of the seats live! I hope they do that again.
Im confused. So is the replay they show in an hour the NTV FDhighlights or the Crew FDhighlights?
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#187
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 04:50
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Ankle-bone12 - 9/6/2007 11:48 PM
Zachstar - 9/6/2007 11:10 PM
AstroRJY - 9/6/2007 11:06 PM
I think the daily FD highlights are assembled and edited on the ground by the NASA TV people at JSC.
Thats NASA FD highlights. This Crew Flight day highlights seem to be a new feature where they toss a camera around and then talk about it as its being downlinked.
Alot better than STS-121 where you basicly saw no views inside the Orbiter outside of press conferences.
114 managed to have KU during docking so we were able to watch the shake of docking from a camera on one of the seats live! I hope they do that again.
Im confused. So is the replay they show in an hour the NTV FDhighlights or the Crew FDhighlights?
They will mix in the FD Crew highlights into the rest of the stuff they gained today to make the NASA TV FD Highlights.
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#188
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Ankle-bone12
on 10 Jun, 2007 04:59
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Thanks much... i realy hope someones taping them cause I realy liked the highlights I saw last night.
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#189
by
Chandonn
on 10 Jun, 2007 05:04
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And here we go again:
CNN.com: "Shuttle docking a 'go' despite gap in heat blanket" That "despite" makes it sound like a bad decision on NASA's part. Seems the media really get going if there's a disaster in the works, or if they can make you THINK there's one in the works...
Wasn't it STS-116 when some news service was reporting a huge amount of damage to the "station's heat shield"?
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#190
by
rcaron
on 10 Jun, 2007 05:35
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Its the name of the game - there will always be some kind of "damage" on a mission. It could be completely inconsequential, but if its the least bit off-nominal the media will pounce on it. They have to - drama increases ratings. We, on the other hand, are actually considering the details, the engineering, the probabilities, and most importantly are reserving judgment waiting from the MMT.
That's why we are all here, and not watching the news networks.
I will admit though, my family out of state called me after what they saw on CNN to "get it from the source." I guess the 15 seconds they spent on it really scared them.
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#191
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Chris Bergin
on 10 Jun, 2007 05:44
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This was to kick off the FD3 live update pages, but I'm linking it up now, as the mass media is getting out of hand with the "oh no, the sky is falling" type drama, when really there's no drama apart from the uber cool RPM coming up.
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5128Remember folks there's different types of media, not all bad.
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#192
by
Austin
on 10 Jun, 2007 06:08
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AstroRJY - 9/6/2007 8:36 PM
Some idiot journalist on The Drudge Report has a big headline calling the protruding blanket a "gash" in the shuttle. Just as yesterday CNN was getting apoplectic half an hour before launch about the flight being scrubbed for TAL weather.
The media loves being alarmist. They think that sensationalism will help their ratings. Completely irresponsible. And CNN used to be respectable. Now they're getting sloppy in their attempt to catch FOX News in their ratings.
At least there's still BBC.
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#193
by
Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 06:28
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BBC is slipping too.
You know if they are just going to do this crap. I'd rather have them running after Paris.
I guess when she flies SS2 they will have to have press conferences and alarms when a piece of paint falls off.
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#194
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Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 06:32
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Good News! I got VLC working right and no longer have to rely on the Official Snapshot feed.
As the crew sleeps Atlantis sails to the station!
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#195
by
Space101
on 10 Jun, 2007 06:48
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Austin - 10/6/2007 1:08 AM
The media loves being alarmist. They think that sensationalism will help their ratings. Completely irresponsible. And CNN used to be respectable. Now they're getting sloppy in their attempt to catch FOX News in their ratings.
At least there's still BBC.
BBC??? You're having a laugh mate. They're a complete joke now-a-days.
Besides, they were talking about Shuttle coverage for this mission, so you could have said "At least there's NASASpaceflight.com"
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#196
by
Zachstar
on 10 Jun, 2007 07:49
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Another view from the arm. Crew Asleep
Image 1: Front View
Image 2: Mid View. SARG clearly visible along with the radiator.
Image 3: Rear Payload bay. With one of the canisters.
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#197
by
triddirt
on 10 Jun, 2007 12:31
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#198
by
James Lowe1
on 18 Jun, 2007 17:14
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Bump to align mission pages in order.
"I like Big Boy's Toys"