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LIVE: Soyuz-FG - GIOVE-B - April 26
by
Jester
on 21 May, 2007 11:41
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The GSTB-V2-B (GIOVE-B's old name) contract with Galileo Industries was definitely terminated on 15 May.
An ATP has been signed on the same day with ESNIS (new name for Galileo Industries) BUT with a clear allocation of responsibilities to prime contractors: the satellite prime is EADS Astrium GmbH supported by Alenia for AIT and EADS Astrium Ltd for payload, the ground segment prime is EADS Astrium Ltd, and the operations prime is Telespazio. The role of ESNIS is limited to contractual coordination and overall technical / schedule coordination tasks.
The date for launch is 29 December 2007.
Personal Note:
Fingers crossed that they don't mess this up.
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#1
by
pippin
on 21 May, 2007 12:39
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There's nothing to mess up. Galileo is needed to keep pressure on the US to keep GPS open and evolve it. There is no further business case for Galileo. That's why the whole dreamed up mess they set up is breaking apart right now.
EU is going to finance it.
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#2
by
Jester
on 21 May, 2007 12:46
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pippin - 21/5/2007 2:39 PM
There's nothing to mess up. Galileo is needed to keep pressure on the US to keep GPS open and evolve it. There is no further business case for Galileo. That's why the whole dreamed up mess they set up is breaking apart right now.
EU is going to finance it.
Yeah I know that, I was talking about messing up GIOVE-B, not galileo....
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#3
by
pippin
on 21 May, 2007 12:50
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Ah...
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#4
by
kevin-rf
on 21 May, 2007 14:40
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You know, we would all be better off if instead of competing with GPS they would say, hey this is a valuable resource how do we work with it to improve it. You know contrbute launches, offer to provide funding, fund research to improve the system, ground stations, ect. Instead we have two (actually three with the russian system, four if the chinese ever build one) competing systems. These are duplicate efforts that take away money from more worth while adventures.
Probally some of my Western NY hippie roots spouting, but a single system does more to encourage world peace than four seperate systems run by four seperate large military powers.
Edit : reminds me of cell phones in europe vs. the US. In europe they settled on a single standard and everyone built to it providing everyone with excellent coverage, In the US we have a half dozen competing systems that do not play nice with everyone and you really need to look where you are going to use the phone in order to decide whose phone you are going to use. There is a truck stop just outside of Judy Gap WV that put up a single transponder that works great if you have singular, but you are SOL if you have Verizon.
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#5
by
pippin
on 21 May, 2007 16:28
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kevin-rf - 21/5/2007 4:40 PM
Probally some of my Western NY hippie roots spouting, but a single system does more to encourage world peace than four seperate systems run by four seperate large military powers.
Edit : reminds me of cell phones in europe vs. the US. In europe they settled on a single standard and everyone built to it providing everyone with excellent coverage, In the US we have a half dozen competing systems that do not play nice with everyone and you really need to look where you are going to use the phone in order to decide whose phone you are going to use. There is a truck stop just outside of Judy Gap WV that put up a single transponder that works great if you have singular, but you are SOL if you have Verizon.
It's your roots.
Competition makes the world go round. Go to Commie countries to compare.
Comparison with Cell Phones is not good since Europe and US DID in fact agree on compatibility stndards for GPS and Galileo that allow the two systems to interoperate, especially to improve availability, which is the only real benefit that is in there for cooperation.
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#6
by
William Graham
on 21 May, 2007 17:57
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Is this launching on a Soyuz 2.1a or b?
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#7
by
anik
on 21 May, 2007 18:51
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GW_Simulations - 21/5/2007 9:57 PM
Is this launching on a Soyuz 2.1a or b?
GIOVE-B will be launched on Soyuz-FG rocket with Fregat upper stage, as GIOVE-A...
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#8
by
William Graham
on 21 May, 2007 19:29
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anik - 21/5/2007 7:51 PM
GW_Simulations - 21/5/2007 9:57 PM
Is this launching on a Soyuz 2.1a or b?
GIOVE-B will be launched on Soyuz-FG rocket with Fregat upper stage, as GIOVE-A...
I thought FG was the military-only version. What's the difference between FG and 2?
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#9
by
Space Lizard
on 21 May, 2007 19:38
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2 is FG with digital avionics.
FG is a U with upgraded propulsion.
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#10
by
anik
on 21 May, 2007 20:59
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GW_Simulations - 21/5/2007 11:29 PM
I thought FG was the military-only version
Soyuz-FG rockets were used for launches of three Progress M1 cargo ships, ten Soyuz TMA spacecrafts and five foreign (Mars Express, AMOS 2, Venus Express, Galaxy 14, GIOVE-A) satellites... As you can see, no military satellites were launched on Soyuz-FG rocket...
GW_Simulations - 21/5/2007 11:29 PM
What's the difference between FG and 2?
Soyuz-FG is intermediate rocket between Soyuz-U and Soyuz-2...
Soyuz-FG differs from Soyuz-U by modernized engines on the first (RD-108A, instead of RD-118) and the second (RD-107A, instead of RD-117) stages...
Soyuz-2.1a differs from Soyuz-FG by digital control system (instead of analog)...
Soyuz-2.1b differs from Soyuz-FG by digital control system (instead of analog) and new engine RD-0124 (instead of RD-0110) on the third stage...
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#11
by
sammie
on 21 May, 2007 21:13
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Since we are sort of 'off topic' anyway. Why are the current Progress vehicles and Military payloads still being launched by the Soyuz U? I can imagine that especially the Progress would benefit from the additional payload. Further standardization wouldn't hurt either I imagine.
Concerning Giove-B, are they going to scrap the 'messed-up' spacecraft or re-hash it under a new contract.
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#12
by
pippin
on 21 May, 2007 23:58
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They didn't mess up the spacecraft. That was only me misunderstanding Jester.
They messed up the idea on how and why to build and operate the overall system.
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#13
by
sammie
on 22 May, 2007 00:38
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I do believe there were serious problems with Giove B. Launch has slipped quite a bit after glitches, but I can't find the articles that gave a better indication of the problems. Of course I could be completly wrong...
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#14
by
Jester
on 22 May, 2007 08:11
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sammie - 22/5/2007 2:38 AM
I do believe there were serious problems with Giove B. Launch has slipped quite a bit after glitches, but I can't find the articles that gave a better indication of the problems. Of course I could be completly wrong...
There were problems with the ICDU and during vac. chamber testing, after "some kicking by ESA" they are trying to get things back on track for a December 29th launch, but (and you didnt hear this from me) it's more likely to be launched in feb. 2008
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#15
by
jacqmans
on 26 Feb, 2008 13:14
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Press Release No.11-2008
Paris, 26 February 2008
Galileo satellite GIOVE-B presented at ESA/ESTEC
Europe is building its own satellite navigation system, Galileo, which will deliver a new, advanced global civil positioning service for the benefit of citizens in Europe and throughout the world.
On Wednesday 5 March, media representatives will have the unique opportunity to attend an in-depth Galileo background briefing at ESTEC. It will be the last opportunity to see GIOVE-B before it is packed for shipment to the launch base at Baikonur in Kazakhstan. A visit of the navigation laboratory where GIOVE signals are analysed is included in the programme.
The foundations of Galileo are currently being laid through what is known as the In-Orbit Validation phase. This includes the launch of pilot satellites. In 2005, GIOVE-A was placed in orbit by a Soyuz launcher from Baikonur, and since then, Galileo signals have been broadcast by GIOVE-A and received all around the globe.
Now the second Galileo satellite, GIOVE-B, is being prepared for launch at the end of April, again from Kazakhstan. GIOVE-B is at present going through the final environmental test campaign at the test facilities at ESTEC, the European Space Agency's research and technology centre in the Netherlands at Noordwijk.
This second Galileo satellite will continue the validation of the critical technologies that need to be developed in Europe for the success of the Galileo programme. Furthermore GIOVE-B will test the most accurate atomic clock ever flown in space, which will contribute to the quality of the Galileo system performance.
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#16
by
jacqmans
on 05 Mar, 2008 14:42
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Today there was a media day for the GIOVE-B satellite at ESA/ESTEC in the Netherlands...
I took these photos of GIOVE-B in the test center...
GIOVE-B is ready for transport to the launch site, Today I heard that shipping to Baikonour will be in the first part of next week....
Photos below:
Giuseppe Viriglio (Director of EU and Industrial programs)
Paul Verhoef (Head of Galileo Unit, DG TREN European Commission)
Javier Benedicto (ESA Galileo Project manager)
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#17
by
jacqmans
on 05 Mar, 2008 14:43
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#18
by
jacqmans
on 05 Mar, 2008 14:44
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#19
by
jacqmans
on 05 Mar, 2008 14:45
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