Author Topic: Genesis II launch - June 28, 2007 (Read 48064 times)

anik · « **Reply #20 on:** 04/26/2007 07:02 pm »

The launch date is May 23 now, according to http://www.ln.mid.ru/ns-dvbr.nsf/a84cf38ed768735943256ccc003bcff1/1a62221b01c74b09c32572c9002c0999?OpenDocument

sammie · « **Reply #21 on:** 05/15/2007 03:40 pm »

*bump*

I'm not sure if everybody has seen this section of Bigelow's website. I think this is the first picture I've seen of Yasny infrastructure. Anyway, does anybody else go updates?

anik · « **Reply #22 on:** 05/16/2007 03:11 pm »

According to http://www.ln.mid.ru/ns-dvbr.nsf/a84cf38ed768735943256ccc003bcff1/f195fc7332bd829ac32572dd00278ac2?OpenDocument (in Russian), the launch is postponed again...

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #23 on:** 05/17/2007 05:50 pm »

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5104

Jamie Young · « **Reply #24 on:** 05/17/2007 06:58 pm »

Do they have to launch on Dnepr? Are they less expensive than a lot of other options?

sammie · « **Reply #25 on:** 05/17/2007 08:57 pm »

Well nobody forced them to use Dnepr. I believe they first had agreements with SpaceX for the Falcon V (Genesis is too heavy for the 1). Dnepr is pretty cheap, although the exact price is ofcourse vague. The ever inaccurate numbers on the internet seem to indicate that a flight costs between 10 and 15mln USD. Which would make it rather cheap compared to other Launch Vehicles, especially when you consider the possible payload on Dnepr.

William Graham · « **Reply #26 on:** 05/19/2007 12:51 pm »

Will this delay affect the next launch, with TerraSAR-X?

eeergo · « **Reply #27 on:** 05/19/2007 03:12 pm »

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GW_Simulations - 19/5/2007 2:51 PM Will this delay affect the next launch, with TerraSAR-X?

I don't think so... TerraSAR-X is going to be launched from Baikonur, whereas Genesis II is launching from Dombarovski, near Yasni, in Russia. On the other hand, I suppose some problems similar to the ones Genesis' Dnepr is suffering (results of upgrades after last year's failure, most of all) can further delay TS-X.

Lunar Dreamer · « **Reply #28 on:** 05/22/2007 10:04 pm »

I hope this doesn't get delayed too many times. Bigelow is doing good work.

MKremer · « **Reply #29 on:** 05/22/2007 10:19 pm »

Not Bigelow's fault, but payload/satellite companies have to expect and live with possible launch delays. Especially if the delays are due to things that might enhance mission success.

anik · « **Reply #30 on:** 05/29/2007 06:17 pm »

According to http://www.ln.mid.ru/ns-dvbr.nsf/a84cf38ed768735943256ccc003bcff1/9f7ab87baf2ed0bac32572ea00497283?OpenDocument (in Russian), Genesis 2 launch is scheduled on June 28th now...

eeergo · « **Reply #31 on:** 06/23/2007 12:09 pm »

No news since Anik's last update in May, but since the planned launch date is less than a week away, I thought I'd give this a bump.

This will probably be our next launch, and it's an inflatable spacecraft!

anik · « **Reply #32 on:** 06/25/2007 02:30 pm »

According to http://www.ln.mid.ru/ns-dvbr.nsf/a84cf38ed768735943256ccc003bcff1/7b8b765b00386f41c325730500233e3e?OpenDocument (in Russian), the launch is planned at 15:02:20 UTC on June 28th...

Norm Hartnett · « **Reply #33 on:** 06/26/2007 09:03 pm »

This is getting rather odd. With under 48 hours till launch there is no words on the Bigelow site. None.

Did they forget about the public in their excitement to launch or is something else going on? There isn't even any info for the folks participating in the "Fly Your Stuff" program.

DigitalMan · « **Reply #34 on:** 06/27/2007 12:50 am »

What is there to get excited about? The facilities that Bigelow wants to put up for paying customers, NASA wants to give away for free.

Not very good news at all.

Norm Hartnett · « **Reply #35 on:** 06/27/2007 02:52 am »

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DigitalMan - 26/6/2007 5:50 PM

What is there to get excited about? The facilities that Bigelow wants to put up for paying customers, NASA wants to give away for free.

Not very good news at all.

Two things about this, 1) NASA (or COTS) will be charging for transport of experiments and astronauts time. (Anyone think that's going to be competitively priced?) Bigelow includes transport of both experiments and experimenters. 2) While the ISS can provide more sophisticated power, data relay, and other services space is limited, Bigelow is offering up to 330 cubic meters. As with Ares I, NASA cannot not be competitive with developing altspace capabilities once (if) they come on line.

ApolloLee · « **Reply #36 on:** 06/27/2007 03:40 pm »

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Norm Hartnett - 26/6/2007 2:03 PM

This is getting rather odd. With under 48 hours till launch there is no words on the Bigelow site. None.

Did they forget about the public in their excitement to launch or is something else going on? There isn't even any info for the folks participating in the "Fly Your Stuff" program.

Well, keep in mind that they're basically a private business and not a governmental agency like NASA and aren't any obligation to provide anything publically.

Looks like they're deliberatly underpromising and trying to keep the hype machine low so that if the second Genesis is an unqualified success, it will be made all the better. Worked for Genesis I.

Jim · « **Reply #37 on:** 06/27/2007 03:50 pm »

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Norm Hartnett - 26/6/2007 10:52 PM

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DigitalMan - 26/6/2007 5:50 PM

What is there to get excited about? The facilities that Bigelow wants to put up for paying customers, NASA wants to give away for free.

Not very good news at all.

Two things about this, 1) NASA (or COTS) will be charging for transport of experiments and astronauts time. (Anyone think that's going to be competitively priced?) Bigelow includes transport of both experiments and experimenters. 2) While the ISS can provide more sophisticated power, data relay, and other services space is limited, Bigelow is offering up to 330 cubic meters. As with Ares I, NASA cannot not be competitive with developing altspace capabilities once (if) they come on line.

Transport to the ISS is included. Most experiments are breadbox size. The to and from is more size constraining that the space onboard.

whose said NASA was going to charge or even charge actuals

daver · « **Reply #38 on:** 06/27/2007 09:11 pm »

The only information I can find on this launch is a countdown clock on space.com with 6:55 till launch. No information on the Bigelow site. Wonder why? Would love to find a streaming video site to watch.

Norm Hartnett · « **Reply #39 on:** 06/28/2007 03:02 am »

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Jim - 27/6/2007 8:50 AM

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Norm Hartnett - 26/6/2007 10:52 PM

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DigitalMan - 26/6/2007 5:50 PM

What is there to get excited about? The facilities that Bigelow wants to put up for paying customers, NASA wants to give away for free.

Not very good news at all.

Two things about this, 1) NASA (or COTS) will be charging for transport of experiments and astronauts time. (Anyone think that's going to be competitively priced?) Bigelow includes transport of both experiments and experimenters. 2) While the ISS can provide more sophisticated power, data relay, and other services space is limited, Bigelow is offering up to 330 cubic meters. As with Ares I, NASA cannot not be competitive with developing altspace capabilities once (if) they come on line.

Transport to the ISS is included. Most experiments are breadbox size. The to and from is more size constraining that the space onboard.

whose said NASA was going to charge or even charge actuals

Jim are you seriously suggesting that NASA would be willing to pay a COTS provider or Russia to fly a private industry payload to the ISS? Maybe they might do a space available deal but how likely is it that there would be space available on any foreseeable ISS re-supply missions even if COTS comes to full fruition?

As for the astronauts, even with six on board they are going to be working full time on housekeeping and NASA/partner work, I doubt that they are going to have a lot of free time to monitor/conduct outside experiments. While I cannot swear to it I thought I heard Gerstenmaier say that NASA would charge during the June 25th teleconference.

Finally, and what is the nail in the coffin for NASA vs Bigelow, the sheer tonnage of paper work that NASA requires to take anything to the ISS is bound to be a deal breaker for private industry if not for other government agencies.