The Dnepr has to have the worse launch record of any booster in existence
anik - 27/3/2007 8:57 AM ITAR-TASS agency informs, that Genesis 2 satellite has arrived to Yasniy cosmodrome (13th Dombarovskiy rocket division) today...
Is this object from the ITAR-TASS report supposed to be Genesis-2?
Danderman - 27/3/2007 2:23 PMQuoteanik - 27/3/2007 8:57 AM ITAR-TASS agency informs, that Genesis 2 satellite has arrived to Yasniy cosmodrome (13th Dombarovskiy rocket division) today... Is this object from the ITAR-TASS report supposed to be Genesis-2?
Olaf - 27/3/2007 8:13 AMQuoteanik - 27/3/2007 10:04 AMNo, this launch was originally planned at 06:46:34 UTC on March 27... Yesterday it was postponed to March 28-29 (the same time - 06:46:34 UTC)... Now the launch is delayed till April 17...Will there be an influence on the other Dnepr launches(Genesis 2 and TerraSAR-X) ?
anik - 27/3/2007 10:04 AMNo, this launch was originally planned at 06:46:34 UTC on March 27... Yesterday it was postponed to March 28-29 (the same time - 06:46:34 UTC)... Now the launch is delayed till April 17...
Norm Hartnett - 28/3/2007 1:21 AMSince the Genesis launch was scheduled for April 17 there seems to be a serious schedule conflict
GW_Simulations - 19/5/2007 2:51 PM Will this delay affect the next launch, with TerraSAR-X?
I don't think so... TerraSAR-X is going to be launched from Baikonur, whereas Genesis II is launching from Dombarovski, near Yasni, in Russia. On the other hand, I suppose some problems similar to the ones Genesis' Dnepr is suffering (results of upgrades after last year's failure, most of all) can further delay TS-X.
DigitalMan - 26/6/2007 5:50 PMWhat is there to get excited about? The facilities that Bigelow wants to put up for paying customers, NASA wants to give away for free.Not very good news at all.
Norm Hartnett - 26/6/2007 2:03 PMThis is getting rather odd. With under 48 hours till launch there is no words on the Bigelow site. None.Did they forget about the public in their excitement to launch or is something else going on? There isn't even any info for the folks participating in the "Fly Your Stuff" program.
Norm Hartnett - 26/6/2007 10:52 PMQuoteDigitalMan - 26/6/2007 5:50 PMWhat is there to get excited about? The facilities that Bigelow wants to put up for paying customers, NASA wants to give away for free.Not very good news at all.Two things about this, 1) NASA (or COTS) will be charging for transport of experiments and astronauts time. (Anyone think that's going to be competitively priced?) Bigelow includes transport of both experiments and experimenters. 2) While the ISS can provide more sophisticated power, data relay, and other services space is limited, Bigelow is offering up to 330 cubic meters. As with Ares I, NASA cannot not be competitive with developing altspace capabilities once (if) they come on line.
Jim - 27/6/2007 8:50 AMQuoteNorm Hartnett - 26/6/2007 10:52 PMQuoteDigitalMan - 26/6/2007 5:50 PMWhat is there to get excited about? The facilities that Bigelow wants to put up for paying customers, NASA wants to give away for free.Not very good news at all.Two things about this, 1) NASA (or COTS) will be charging for transport of experiments and astronauts time. (Anyone think that's going to be competitively priced?) Bigelow includes transport of both experiments and experimenters. 2) While the ISS can provide more sophisticated power, data relay, and other services space is limited, Bigelow is offering up to 330 cubic meters. As with Ares I, NASA cannot not be competitive with developing altspace capabilities once (if) they come on line.Transport to the ISS is included. Most experiments are breadbox size. The to and from is more size constraining that the space onboard. whose said NASA was going to charge or even charge actuals
Norm Hartnett - 27/6/2007 11:02 PM1. Jim are you seriously suggesting that NASA would be willing to pay a COTS provider or Russia to fly a private industry payload to the ISS? Maybe they might do a space available deal but how likely is it that there would be space available on any foreseeable ISS re-supply missions even if COTS comes to full fruition?2. As for the astronauts, even with six on board they are going to be working full time on housekeeping and NASA/partner work, I doubt that they are going to have a lot of free time to monitor/conduct outside experiments. While I cannot swear to it I thought I heard Gerstenmaier say that NASA would charge during the June 25th teleconference.3. Finally, and what is the nail in the coffin for NASA vs Bigelow, the sheer tonnage of paper work that NASA requires to take anything to the ISS is bound to be a deal breaker for private industry if not for other government agencies.
The report released Monday says NASA plans to cover the costs for cargo transportation, crew support and station maintenance under agreements with future users.Those users would not have to pay access fees or provide separate lab equipment. But they would be required to cover any costs associated with their own research projects and payload devices, said Mark Uhran, assistant associate administrator for the space station.
MKremer - 27/6/2007 11:42 PMThis story explains it fairly well:NASA seeks public, private partners interested in using space stationFor costs: QuoteThe report released Monday says NASA plans to cover the costs for cargo transportation, crew support and station maintenance under agreements with future users.Those users would not have to pay access fees or provide separate lab equipment. But they would be required to cover any costs associated with their own research projects and payload devices, said Mark Uhran, assistant associate administrator for the space station.So, they have to fund (or get grants for) their own research time, and any extra people needed, plus all their research equipment required - including the R&D/development/construction/testing of the payload experiment.The transportation and on-orbit setup/maintenance/monitoring/possible sample handling and collection & return would be covered by NASA.Not a bad deal, IMO, if it comes to fruition.
Norm Hartnett - 27/6/2007 10:50 PMSo NASA quashes another private space effort.
James Lowe1 - 27/6/2007 11:35 PMI spoke to Chris about coverage and he recieved an e-mail, along with a few other journalists, saying that no information would be released, this came from Bigelow PAO. Even the e-mail saying this was tagged as not to be published. They said they will send a statement from Bigelow himself several hours after launch if successful.Launch is still on for Thursday and we'll hope the Russians on here will be able to help more than some automated clock on another site.
MKremer - 27/6/2007 9:53 PMBut Bigelow themselves aren't going to be flying anything at all - they only plan on selling the modules to others (who'll have to do all the launch contracting and payments, and also figure out and plan and pay for getting the people/equipment to the Bigelow module they bought once it's in orbit).
MKremerJust because NASA is saying they'll pay the freight to orbit and ISS, doesn't mean the experiments/research/PIs will have an advantage over a purely commercial orbital station. Doing research on the ISS still means they'll have to abide by all of NASA's rules and regulations for ISS hardware requirements and limitations; data collection and download&upload bandwidths; and time allocations & restrictions for operation and on-orbit maintenance/servicing/data&sample collection. Those may or may not be much more restrictive and limiting than a private entities' restrictions and requirements for a Bigelow module-based research experiment - maybe enough that the extra costs for launching and delivering/setup of research/experiment hardware are worth the extra expense to use the Bigelow site over ISS.
Norm Hartnett - 27/6/2007 11:50 PMSo NASA quashes another private space effort. Interesting, is that in their mission statement somewhere?I can understand it though, they have done such a poor job with the billions the taxpayers have given them it would be a shame if private industry did a better job with mere millions.Enough! Time to get radical.
Norm Hartnett - 27/6/2007 11:37 PMI hope Bigelow sues the pants off them.
I really don't see how NASA's ISS announcement really impacts Bigelow much, if at all. They're attempting to reach two different markets. NASA's 'National Lab' call is clearly aimed at government agencies and scientists at major institutions that want to place experiment packages into a technical environment. Bigelow's plan seems more aimed at the Hiltons, Hyatts, and International Hotels Groups (PLC) of the world, as well as the national space agencies themselves, simply to provide bulk accommodations. So, in ten years, I could maybe see a country like India (but not China) buying a couple modules and lofting them to form an Indian space station, if the Bigelow price were right.
If, on the other hand, a single Indian researcher just wanted to put an experimental package on the ISS to study, say, the background drift of dark matter in local space, that could happen, but I don't think that potential investment would have ever been large enough, or even appropriate, for the purchase of a BA330 module.
stockman - 28/6/2007 3:13 PMAre there any russian sources that can verify what is truly going on?
James Lowe1 - 28/6/2007 6:35 AMI spoke to Chris about coverage and he recieved an e-mail, along with a few other journalists, saying that no information would be released, this came from Bigelow PAO. Even the e-mail saying this was tagged as not to be published. They said they will send a statement from Bigelow himself several hours after launch if successful.Launch is still on for Thursday and we'll hope the Russians on here will be able to help more than some automated clock on another site.
DaveS - 28/6/2007 9:47 AMQuotestockman - 28/6/2007 3:13 PMAre there any russian sources that can verify what is truly going on?Read James's earlier reply:QuoteJames Lowe1 - 28/6/2007 6:35 AMI spoke to Chris about coverage and he recieved an e-mail, along with a few other journalists, saying that no information would be released, this came from Bigelow PAO. Even the e-mail saying this was tagged as not to be published. They said they will send a statement from Bigelow himself several hours after launch if successful.Launch is still on for Thursday and we'll hope the Russians on here will be able to help more than some automated clock on another site.
I spoke to Chris about coverage and he recieved an e-mail, along with a few other journalists, saying that no information would be released, this came from Bigelow PAO. Even the e-mail saying this was tagged as not to be published. They said they will send a statement from Bigelow himself several hours after launch if successful.
Tergenev - 28/6/2007 10:02 AMIt's now 14:02 UTC. One hour until the supposed 11:02am EST launch time.
Success! Launch at 9:02 pm local (11:02 am EDT), against a setting sun, Dnepr climbed into the sky to the northeast, and fifteen minutes later deployed Genesis-2 into the correct orbit -- by all indications!Now the local high school band is playing military marches.Now it's up to the Bigelow mission control to get the payload inflated and under control...
anik - 28/6/2007 11:01 AMLatest SS-18 Launch Mission under Dnepr Programhttp://www.kosmotras.ru/20002.htm#inf28"On June 28, 2007, a converted SS-18 rocket commercially known as Dnepr successfully launched Genesis-2 satellite into its target 550 km orbit inclined 64.5 degrees"
Tergenev - 28/6/2007 5:16 AMI really don't see how NASA's ISS announcement really impacts Bigelow much, if at all. They're attempting to reach two different markets. NASA's 'National Lab' call is clearly aimed at government agencies and scientists at major institutions that want to place experiment packages into a technical environment. Bigelow's plan seems more aimed at the Hiltons, Hyatts, and International Hotels Groups (PLC) of the world, as well as the national space agencies themselves, simply to provide bulk accommodations. So, in ten years, I could maybe see a country like India (but not China) buying a couple modules and lofting them to form an Indian space station, if the Bigelow price were right. If, on the other hand, a single Indian researcher just wanted to put an experimental package on the ISS to study, say, the background drift of dark matter in local space, that could happen, but I don't think that potential investment would have ever been large enough, or even appropriate, for the purchase of a BA330 module.
spacehog - 28/6/2007 11:20 PMCommunication has been established with G2. Solar arrays have deployed, voltage is good, inflation holding.
spacehog - 28/6/2007 3:20 PMIt's a Good thing.
Peter NASA - 28/6/2007 4:19 PMAgreed. Congratulations.Is Bigelow not making a statement now?
Flightstar - 28/6/2007 5:23 PMHave to say that I hate their website with a passion. "Getting you all excited about space again"?
Satori - 29/6/2007 1:24 PMHi! Does anyone has the launch time in the format 1502:XX.XXXUTC?Thanks!
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jabe - 30/6/2007 4:27 AMIs it me or does it look like the "business cards" are clinging to the walls? I wonder if Genesis is in a slow (hopefully not fast) spin?http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/xfer/2007-29-06_Ext01.jpgjb
Chris Bergin - 29/6/2007 1:37 PMQuoteSatori - 29/6/2007 1:24 PMHi! Does anyone has the launch time in the format 1502:XX.XXXUTC?Thanks!Bigelow Aerospace PAO Chris Reed is your friend :cool: "Launch time was 15:02:20.741 UTC……. Separation from Dnepr was 15:16:57.051 UTC."
publiusr - 2/7/2007 2:23 PMWould Falcon 9 be enough for your own private space station?
josh_simonson - 2/7/2007 2:47 PMI suspect those are stickers, not cards. I read somewhere that they haven't released the 'fly your stuff' stuff yet. Makes sense that they'd keep it stowed until they'd finished the first round of tests as it's much easier with the craft empty to observe the interior.
jabe - 9/7/2007 3:36 PMwell,Genesis II is no longer spinning...http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/fly_stuff/view_fys_photos.phpthe pictures are floating hope they do regular picture updates,,be curious to see how the bingo works edit:mmmmm under closer inspection they may not be floating yet... anyone else have opinions??
jabe - 7/7/2007 5:02 PMMaybe I'm the only one to catch the spelling or is my spelling of "wellcome" wrong? http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/out_there/images/welcome_to_the_future.jpg Does anyone know how to get in contact with Bigelow?? I sent an e-mail but my bet is it goes in their spam bin Doesn't give them credibilty to have bad spelling on an important graphic.. cheers jb
stockman - 9/7/2007 12:44 PMvery hard to tell. once you get over the fact that the pictures cover many of the same areas just from different angles and positions, you can see no movement between them. I would have to guess that these are not floating items as yet. jmo however.
I emailed their PR guy and actually got an answer. It seems that photoshopped picture was done by the Russians as a little gift and it was they who spelled it wrong.
He did not mention the part of my email that said their web presence looked like it was designed by junior high school students. :laugh:
I'm urgently looking for a image of this launch! Any help?!
Quote from: Satori on 10/18/2007 01:34 pmI'm urgently looking for a image of this launch! Any help?!I've just posted four (exclusive !) pictures of this launch.Sorry for the three years delay ! http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2007/28062007/28062007photos.html
Quote from: Satori on 10/18/2007 01:34 pmI'm urgently looking for a image of this launch! Any help?!I've just posted four (exclusive !) pictures of this launch.Sorry for the three years delay !
