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Offline TJL

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3280 on: 01/25/2021 05:42 pm »
My latest Blog, with full analysis of the complexities around Soyuz crewing plans for this year. (Warning! - Long read!!)

https://spacesleuth2.blogspot.com/2021/01/soyuz-plans-unclear-as-gagarin-60th.html

"To muddy the waters further, in January 2021, Andrei Babkin was removed from the back-up crew, on medical grounds. This latest development is very sad for Babkin. He had previously trained for the Nauka related missions with Nikolai Tikhonov who was grounded last year, and who later left the cosmonaut squad after fourteen years of flightless preparation. Babkin was replaced by the very experienced Oleg Artymev, who looks like an over-qualified placeholder, for a back-up MS-18 crew which is unlikely to actually fly, but which is needed to support the prime crew, less than three months before launch. After this assignment, he'll probably revert to his previous planned slot as commander of Soyuz MS-21, due in 2022".

Was wondering, is the cosmonaut staff that limited where a veteran commander is being used to back-up a FE?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3281 on: 01/25/2021 06:42 pm »
My theory is that, since the launch is less than three months away, they needed an experienced guy who could step in on short notice, not a rookie.


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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3283 on: 01/27/2021 03:28 am »
Having a hard time wrapping my head around tourists being designated as pilots and mission specialists, titles previously reserved for career astronauts.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3284 on: 01/27/2021 03:56 am »
Having a hard time wrapping my head around tourists being designated as pilots and mission specialists, titles previously reserved for career astronauts.
They might bring back Payload Specialist someday. There were only a few STS and other flights with those designations early in my life. Russia giving VE-20 crew the usual flight engineer designations. It will be interesting if USOS also starts calling them visiting expeditions to separate them from the main expeditions.
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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3285 on: 01/27/2021 04:02 am »
Having a hard time wrapping my head around tourists being designated as pilots and mission specialists, titles previously reserved for career astronauts.
Yes, I was surprised to see this as well. The statements that have come out so far have emphasized the extensive training the Ax-1 crew is getting, so I get the impression their role designations are intended to reflect that.

It may have a lot to do with the fact that Axiom is positioning its service not primarily as a tour bus for wealthy dilettantes, but as a means for private (and public) organizations with serious business/mission interests in space to get their own people to the station to do real work there (optical fiber manufacturing, pharmaceutical research, etc.). Such use cases would very much fit the traditional use of titles like "mission specialist" and "payload specialist" for private-sector specialists on Shuttle flights. On Shuttle, those titles were also used for Senators and teachers who weren't exactly "professional astronauts" (or even serving a commercial interest in space) but received serious training on a level similar to the Ax-1 crew.

Given that many of Axiom's top brass are NASA veterans (including a former ISS program manager at the top), it makes sense they would continue those conventions rather than establishing new ones. They clearly see Axiom as a company building a full-fledged successor to the ISS to continue and expand on its mission, not merely a "hotel in space".

As all of the Ax-1 passengers are being sponsored by various organizations to do some sort of scientific research during their time on the station (even if they may have their own recreational motives for choosing to go to space on their own dime), calling them "mission specialists" feels genuinely appropriate this time around. And it sounds like the "pilot" is well qualified to actually learn how to fly Dragon and is in fact being trained for the pilot role.

Not all passengers on future missions may necessarily get the same level of training as these. I suspect the euphemistically lowly "spaceflight participant" title will be reserved for those who are truly recreational tourists, or whose business in space has little to do with the "mission" or "payloads" of the station - e.g. the Tom Cruise movie project. (Though, knowing Cruise's reputation, he will probably insist on going through the maximum level of real training Axiom can offer...)

Some of the past "spaceflight participants" who flew to the ISS on Soyuz got positive reputations for being well-trained and contributing seriously to research while there, so Axiom probably wants to avoid that "under-crediting" problem this time around.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3286 on: 02/04/2021 03:31 pm »
From https://www.ulalaunch.com/explore/blog-detail/blog/2021/02/04/oft-2-combined-teams-simulate-launching-next-starliner

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From consoles in the ASOC and BMCC, NASA astronauts Barry “Butch” Wilmore, Nicole Mann, Mike Fincke, Sunita Williams, Josh Cassada, Jeanette Epps and Matthew Dominick took the opportunity to familiarize themselves with Atlas V countdown operations and launch pad activities

Will the NASA astronaut Matthew Dominick be the 4th crew member for the Starliner-1 mission in 2022?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3287 on: 02/04/2021 04:22 pm »
From https://www.ulalaunch.com/explore/blog-detail/blog/2021/02/04/oft-2-combined-teams-simulate-launching-next-starliner

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From consoles in the ASOC and BMCC, NASA astronauts Barry “Butch” Wilmore, Nicole Mann, Mike Fincke, Sunita Williams, Josh Cassada, Jeanette Epps and Matthew Dominick took the opportunity to familiarize themselves with Atlas V countdown operations and launch pad activities

Will the NASA astronaut Matthew Dominick be the 4th crew member for the Starliner-1 mission in 2022?

Possible but I would be doubtful as that would mean the crew would be entirely American, maybe he is the new backup replacing Wilmore?.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3288 on: 02/06/2021 08:33 am »
Dominick is assigned to the backup crew for Starliner-1.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3289 on: 02/06/2021 08:41 am »
Will Dominick serve as backup for CFT, too?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3290 on: 02/06/2021 08:58 am »
I don't know. I've reached out to Brandi Dean for more detail on that.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3291 on: 02/12/2021 07:15 pm »
NASA astronauts
@astro_kjell and Bob Hines have been assigned to launch on the agency’s @SpaceX Crew-4 mission to the
@Space_Station. The mission is expected to launch in 2022 from

"NASA astronauts Kjell Lindgren and Bob Hines will serve as spacecraft commander and pilot, respectively, for the Crew-4 mission. Additional crew members will be assigned as mission specialists in the future by the agency’s international partners."

I do not understand how the seat allocation on Dragons works. On crew 3 Chari an USAF test pilot and a rookie will sit in the Commander seat and the veteran Mashburn will be a pilot. On crew 4 Hines a NAVY test pilot and a rookie will be pilot and veteran Lindgren not a pilot himself will sit in the commander seat?



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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3292 on: 02/12/2021 07:23 pm »
Lindgren has previous Dragon experience, as he backed up the DM-2 and Crew-1 crews. What surprises me is that Crew-4 is coming up so soon: I had figured that Starliner would get two or three flights in a row to catch up to Dragon.
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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3293 on: 02/13/2021 01:27 pm »
Lindgren has previous Dragon experience, as he backed up the DM-2 and Crew-1 crews. What surprises me is that Crew-4 is coming up so soon: I had figured that Starliner would get two or three flights in a row to catch up to Dragon.

From the US launch thread. It was previously scheduled that OFT-2, CFT, Starliner Crew-1, Starliner Crew-2 & Starliner Crew-3 fly before Crew Dragon Crew-4.

Maybe NASA realizes that asking Boeing to basically do 5 flight in a row with about a 6 month intervals in between flights is pushing their luck. Especially since the test flights haven't flown yet.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3294 on: 02/13/2021 04:05 pm »
Maybe NASA realizes that asking Boeing to basically do 5 flight in a row with about a 6 month intervals in between flights is pushing their luck. Especially since the test flights haven't flown yet.

Oh, I wasn't thinking about the test flights--that would make a lot of sense. I was just thinking about CST-1 through CST-3. Thanks!

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3296 on: 02/22/2021 10:34 am »
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210222005280/en/World%E2%80%99s-First-All-Civilian-Mission-to-Space-Inspiration4-Names-Second-Crew-Member

Hayley Arceneaux, physician assistant at St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital and pediatric cancer survivor, to fill Hope seat on historic Inspiration4 flight. (Photo: Business Wire)



« Last Edit: 02/22/2021 10:38 am by ddspaceman »


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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3298 on: 02/22/2021 01:51 pm »
I wonder if they will have any backups and if they would also back-up the other two participants still to be selected. This will be the most "random" and inexperienced space-flight ever so the all four people in the cabin should have positive personalities to survive the training and flight itself as a team. I think two of the participants in recent Soyuz flights were removed due to crew incompatibility and replaced by backups.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3299 on: 02/26/2021 10:19 am »
N° 5–2021: Call for media: Second spaceflight for Samantha Cristoforetti
26 February 2021

Media representatives are invited to a virtual press event at 10:00 GMT (11:00 CET) on Wednesday, 3 March, to learn more about the next spaceflight of Italian ESA astronaut Samantha Cristoforetti.

This will be the second spaceflight for Samantha, who is a member of ESA’s astronaut class of 2009. During her first mission ‘Futura’ in 2014–15, she spent 200 days in space, carrying out science and operations on the International Space Station as a flight engineer for Expeditions 42 and 43.

After returning to Earth, Samantha led Spaceship EAC, a student-centred initiative based at ESA’s European Astronaut Centre (EAC) in Cologne, Germany, focused on the technological challenges of future missions to the Moon. She was crew representative for ESA in the Gateway project to establish a space station in lunar orbit, and led the crew of NASA’s 23rd Extreme Environment Mission Operations (NEEMO23) mission on a 10-day stay in the world’s only undersea research station, Aquarius, in 2019.

Samantha looks forward to her second mission. “The International Space Station is humankind’s outpost in space. It’s an engineering marvel, a place of peaceful and fruitful international cooperation, an interdisciplinary laboratory dedicated to science in weightlessness.

“It’s our first step in establishing continuous human presence in space. As we prepare to take the next step in this decade with a permanent human infrastructure in lunar orbit, I am thrilled and honoured to go back to the International Space Station, my home away from home.”

Programme
11:00–11:45 CET: Press briefing, online

Participants
Samantha Cristoforetti, ESA Astronaut
Josef Aschbacher, ESA Director General as of 1 March
David Parker, ESA Director Human and Robotic Exploration
Giorgio Saccoccia, President of the Italian space agency ASI

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