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NASA studies private jet control panels for Orion
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Feb, 2007 04:23
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Feb, 2007 04:25
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Feb, 2007 04:26
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Feb, 2007 04:27
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Feb, 2007 04:30
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by
Chris Bergin
on 27 Feb, 2007 04:30
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renclod
on 27 Feb, 2007 07:07
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Virtual Reality Goggles / Head Mounted Displays. Wrist attached keypad, touchpad and joystick.
CEV room is at a premium.
NASA Ames Research Center ?
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#7
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Jim
on 27 Feb, 2007 12:15
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CEV room is not at a premium
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nacnud
on 27 Feb, 2007 12:20
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Goggles or some other light weight external display might be worth looking at for extra redundancy if the fewer screens/larger area approach is taken.
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#9
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renclod
on 27 Feb, 2007 13:16
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Jim - 27/2/2007 3:15 PM
CEV room is not at a premium
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/roomroom
A space that is or may be occupied: That easy chair takes up too much room
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/at+a+premiumIdiom:
at a premium
More valuable than usual, as from scarcity: Fresh water was at a premium after the reservoir was contaminated
CEV MASS certainly is "at a premium". CAPSULE MASS even more so.
"at a premium" = precious, too expensive to waste
Why fill the capsule with old style consoles and seats.
Commercially available head mount displays: 1.44 million pixels, 7 ounces, $1,199.00. Capability to view interlaced 3D Video in True Stereoscopic 3D.
I wonder what military grade head mount displays can do.
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Feb, 2007 13:17
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nacnud - 27/2/2007 1:20 PM
Goggles or some other light weight external display might be worth looking at for extra redundancy if the fewer screens/larger area approach is taken.
There's going to be more presentations to come on this element of Orion, so we'll look out for them.
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#11
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renclod
on 27 Feb, 2007 13:35
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nacnud - 27/2/2007 3:20 PM
Goggles or some other light weight external display might be worth looking at for extra redundancy if the fewer screens/larger area approach is taken.
Cutting edge engineering would reserve the redundancy role to classic consoles and go with wearable HMI (Human Machine Interface) mainware. Make the CEV true 21st-centuryish .
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#12
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nacnud
on 27 Feb, 2007 14:05
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Maybe, but this whole system has to come in on budget and time, it's not a research project. Apart from the Typhoon what other commercial systems are there out there?
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#13
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Jim
on 27 Feb, 2007 14:13
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renclod - 27/2/2007 9:16 AM
Jim - 27/2/2007 3:15 PM
CEV room is not at a premium
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/room
room
A space that is or may be occupied: That easy chair takes up too much room
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/at+a+premium
Idiom:
at a premium
More valuable than usual, as from scarcity: Fresh water was at a premium after the reservoir was contaminated
CEV MASS certainly is "at a premium". CAPSULE MASS even more so.
"at a premium" = precious, too expensive to waste
Why fill the capsule with old style consoles and seats.
The mass of these displays are not that much and not an issue for this, neither is the volume. It is not using resources that are at a "premium"
The "flight crew" will still have to sit in the same places for window access and to use the volume more efficiently
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#14
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Jim
on 27 Feb, 2007 14:24
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renclod - 27/2/2007 9:35 AM
nacnud - 27/2/2007 3:20 PM
Goggles or some other light weight external display might be worth looking at for extra redundancy if the fewer screens/larger area approach is taken.
Cutting edge engineering would reserve the redundancy role to classic consoles and go with wearable HMI (Human Machine Interface) mainware. Make the CEV true 21st-centuryish .
Not required. Also the displays are not just for when the crew is "flying" the vehicle. This is the 'whole" control center for the vehicle during all phases of the mission. Don't want to have to put on something just to look a one guage or to adjust the cabin temp. Especially when an alarm goes off, trying put on a headset to see the displays.
This is NOT like a fighter cockpit. The pilot in a fighter does only one thing, fly the plane. The CEV does many other things. Ascent, entry, and docking are like flying but most of the time in the mission is not spend at the "flight deck" Maybe an occasional glance at the status of the vehicle
The displays have to work with ISS launch and entry suits, no suits and eventually EVA suits. Having a traditonal displays is best for this
Also the hardware has to be able to endure a hard vacuum.
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#15
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STS Tony
on 27 Feb, 2007 15:19
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Sure are beautiful jets, especially the Gulfstream.
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#16
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Rob in KC
on 27 Feb, 2007 17:12
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Sure will look impressive side Orion when it's built.
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#17
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Nate_Trost
on 27 Feb, 2007 21:57
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Anybody know what those Honeywell units cost in the standard aviation flavor? Do they have to be modified for thermal/vacuum parameters, or are they good as-is?
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#18
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Jason Davies
on 28 Feb, 2007 02:41
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Sweet. I was impressed with the inside of the Shuttle, so this might look really cool with the double level approach for the six man crew.
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#19
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airausquin
on 21 Nov, 2007 14:25
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Hello, I am doing some research on spacecrafts hand controllers, and the only reference I have found regarding the Orion CEV are the sample slides on the Private Jet Control Panels/Display Layout thread/article. These show an Apollo CM's type rotational and translationals hand controllers.
Does anyone have any reference to what is being considered for Orion and the new lander?
I am mainly interested in the lander controls (main engine / "hover" control)
Thanks in advance,
Alejandro Irausquin
Aeronautical Engineer