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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #20 on: 02/25/2007 06:03 pm »
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Terry Rocket - 25/2/2007  12:58 PM

You didn't get to see much of a report if you only got two lines. They shows the State TV broadcast and it went on for a while, more than a line or two.
Your reply suggests you saw the broadcast firsthand — can I inquire where? Is it online and I missed the link? I'd like to watch it, too.

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #21 on: 02/25/2007 06:09 pm »
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Terry Rocket - 25/2/2007  12:58 PM

You didn't get to see much of a report if you only got two lines. They shows the State TV broadcast and it went on for a while, more than a line or two.
Your reply suggests you saw the broadcast firsthand — can I inquire where? Is it online and I missed the link? I'd like to watch it, too.

Dunno, I was watching it on the news. Don't you get BBC news on the TV where you are?

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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #22 on: 02/25/2007 06:11 pm »
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collectSPACE - 25/2/2007  6:59 PM

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Chris Bergin - 25/2/2007  12:45 PM

Then why would they name the "satellite"?
The Kuwait News Agency said that the name, "Kavesh" was that of the rocket, not the satellite, which would also lend credence to it being a sounding rocket and not a converted Shahab-3.


We covered both the satellite and sounding rocket reports.

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #23 on: 02/25/2007 06:14 pm »
I can't see BBC News where I live (though I do have BBC America).  I did find this link though:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6394387.stm

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However, Ali Akbar Golrou, executive director of the same facility, was later quoted by Fars news agency as saying the craft launched by was a sub-orbital rocket for scientific research.

"What was announced by the head of the research centre was the news of launching this sounding rocket," Mr Golrou said.
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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #24 on: 02/25/2007 06:14 pm »
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Terry Rocket - 25/2/2007  1:09 PM

Don't you get BBC news on the TV where you are?
Actually, I do. but no one as of yet mentioned what source they where they were watching and apparently, I missed the replay of the entire Iranian report. Was the Iranian report in English or did the BBC provide translation?

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #25 on: 02/25/2007 06:15 pm »
My two cents:

First: Iran tries to launch a satellite and at the beginning everything looks okay, allowing the news agencies to give the news of the launch;

Second: Ops, something after all isn't okay... the satellite doesn't get into orbit: a failed launch...

Third: Iran corrects it's initial statement saying it was only a sounding-rocket, not a satellite launch attempt.

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #26 on: 02/25/2007 06:20 pm »
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Terry Rocket - 25/2/2007  1:09 PM

Don't you get BBC news on the TV where you are?
Actually, I do. but no one as of yet mentioned what source they where they were watching and apparently, I missed the replay of the entire Iranian report. Was the Iranian report in English or did the BBC provide translation?

Cool. Makes up for you lot sending us Fox News lol.

It was someone talking in Iranian and the BBC reporter was talking over it with what was said. I'll look out for it online, might be cause it's Sunday that they've not put up the video on their sight.

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #27 on: 02/25/2007 06:21 pm »
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Satori - 25/2/2007  1:15 PM

My two cents:

First: Iran tries to launch a satellite and at the beginning everything looks okay, allowing the news agencies to give the news of the launch;

Second: Ops, something after all isn't okay... the satellite doesn't get into orbit: a failed launch...

Third: Iran corrects it's initial statement saying it was only a sounding-rocket, not a satellite launch attempt.

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Interesting thought.  But it did make me think of braddock's post from page 1 of this thread:

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braddock - 25/2/2007  9:58 AM

Some interesting analysis in an article in Defense Tech last month:
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003219.html

"But if the Globalsecurity.org specs are right, the Iranian missile's delta-v is only about half of the 9-10 kilometers/second needed to get into low-earth orbit. "Unless the Iranians have done something amazing to mod up the power of the Shahab-3, which I haven't seen any reliable evidence of, that theoretical satellite is going nowhere," Mr. RE says."

But intelligence is not infallible (as we all know), so the opinion expressed in that article may be premature.
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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #28 on: 02/25/2007 06:24 pm »
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Satori - 25/2/2007  1:15 PM

My two cents:

First: Iran tries to launch a satellite and at the beginning everything looks okay, allowing the news agencies to give the news of the launch;

Second: Ops, something after all isn't okay... the satellite doesn't get into orbit: a failed launch...

Third: Iran corrects it's initial statement saying it was only a sounding-rocket, not a satellite launch attempt.

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Possible, as they were due to launch a satellite, that's for sure.

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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #29 on: 02/25/2007 06:25 pm »
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Chris Bergin - 25/2/2007  1:11 PM

We covered both the satellite and sounding rocket reports.
Yes, to your credit you did, and I did not mean to suggest otherwise. Your headline (and opening paragraphs) however, suggest that there was a clear declaration and I couldn't find any reference to such a statement of intent. And now that Iran itself is saying the original news reports were wrong, I was curious as to what the source of the claim for NSF's article was...

It appears I (along with many others) need to see the original Iranian TV broadcast as it appears to be the only source for any such declaration.

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #30 on: 02/25/2007 06:29 pm »
My two cents is that regardless of what may have been reported initially (and perhaps mistakenly), it is most appropriate now to alter the article/headline to read that it was a suborbital test as they are saying. You could add that it was edited and that earlier reports of it having been a satellite launch have turned out to be wrong.

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #31 on: 02/25/2007 06:38 pm »
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Satori - 25/2/2007  1:15 PM

My two cents:

First: Iran tries to launch a satellite and at the beginning everything looks okay, allowing the news agencies to give the news of the launch;

Second: Ops, something after all isn't okay... the satellite doesn't get into orbit: a failed launch...

Third: Iran corrects it's initial statement saying it was only a sounding-rocket, not a satellite launch attempt.

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Two problems with this theory:

(1) According to NSF and other news sources (but quoting NSF):

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According to Mohsen Bahrami, head of the Iranian Aerospace Research Institute, the launch took place, successfully, within the last few weeks...
Which negates the pressure of real-time news reporting, and,

(2) Again, quoting NSF:

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This time, however, it appears the launch occurred without the knowledge of the outside world.
How does an orbital-capable launch go undetected by the entire world, let alone the U.S. (which you have to assume has every available eye on Iran given current politics).

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #32 on: 02/25/2007 06:42 pm »
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Ben - 25/2/2007  1:29 PM

it was a suborbital test as they are saying.

No they are not. They are saying both.

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #33 on: 02/25/2007 06:49 pm »
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collectSPACE - 25/2/2007  7:38 PM

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According to Mohsen Bahrami, head of the Iranian Aerospace Research Institute, the launch took place, successfully, within the last few weeks...

Which negates the pressure of real-time news reporting.

This was a breaking news story, this morning, UK time, when Iranian State TV made the announcement.

The Sounding Rocket theory is being claimed by one Iranian, about six hours after the annoucement.

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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #34 on: 02/25/2007 07:01 pm »
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Chris Bergin - 25/2/2007  1:49 PM

This was a breaking news story, this morning, UK time, when Iranian State TV made the announcement.
...of a launch that occurred sometime within the past few weeks (per your's and others' reporting) thus for Rui's theory of a failed-launch cover-up to be true, then Mohsen Bahrami, head of the Iranian Aerospace Research Institute, was either lying about the time frame of the launch or lying about its success when the initial broadcast was made earlier this morning. Either way, you're suggesting that Bahrami was purposely spreading falsehoods, which should put his entire "declaration" into question...

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #35 on: 02/25/2007 07:02 pm »
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Terry Rocket - 25/2/2007  2:42 PM
No they are not. They are saying both.

No, they were saying both. Now they aren't. The headline and opening line on this site suggests this is the claim. It may have been the claim earlier, but now it is not.

Reuters:
 
"IRAN has launched a sub-orbital rocket for scientific research, not a missile capable of reaching space as earlier reported..."
 
AP:
 
"Iran announced Sunday that the rocket they launched was not actually intended to reach space, despite morning reports..."

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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #36 on: 02/25/2007 07:12 pm »
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collectSPACE - 25/2/2007  8:01 PM

Either way, you're suggesting that Bahrami was purposely spreading falsehoods, which should put his entire "declaration" into question...

I've made NO such suggestion.

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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #37 on: 02/25/2007 07:18 pm »
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Chris Bergin - 25/2/2007  2:12 PM

I've made NO such suggestion.
Chris, I didn't mean "you" as in you personally, but rather the collective "you" if "you" accept Rui's theory. My comments were based on the logic of a cover-up suggested by Rui.

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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #38 on: 02/25/2007 07:22 pm »
A on-line portuguese newspaper is saying that the iranian defense minister, Mostafa Najjar, stated Saturday that Iran would soon launch a 'space mission' with the objective to orbit a satellite, but, the newspaper continues saying "no one thought that the launch, even without a satellite on board, would come so soon"... Well, this is enigmatic... The newspaper, PUBLICO, gives the news basec on the statements of the iranian state TV.

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #39 on: 02/25/2007 07:47 pm »
Maybe they just got tired of watching the 1946 V-2 movie on YouTube, and reruns of "October Sky", and decided to try it for themselves?
Maybe they wanted to upstage "Astronaut Farmer"? :)

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