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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #3 on: 02/25/2007 11:17 am »
So, was this a "suborbital" satellite, or did it actually make it up there?

Or are clever Iranian public affairs folks mixing confusing statements about both the Iranian launch announcement and the Russian launch of the Iranian satellite to confuse the international press?

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #4 on: 02/25/2007 11:36 am »
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braddock - 25/2/2007  12:17 PM

So, was this a "suborbital" satellite, or did it actually make it up there?

Or are clever Iranian public affairs folks mixing confusing statements about both the Iranian launch announcement and the Russian launch of the Iranian satellite to confuse the international press?

BBC News 24 are all over this today, they note it's a new domestic launch (not the Russian one), that took place, apparently undetected (how?) and it made it to orbit (how?!) - is there enough power in this vehicle...maybe the payload was tiny?

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #5 on: 02/25/2007 11:52 am »
'Into space', which is what the Iranians are apparently claiming, is different to 'into orbit'. Then again, putting something into orbit is not that difficult. It's merely a question of whether you want to spend the money on it.

If they have done it, I doubt it was undetected. But that doesn't mean that anyone who did detect it would want to confirm it immediately.

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #6 on: 02/25/2007 11:53 am »
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The Shahab-3 medium-range ballistic missile is a fully Iranian built single stage vehicle

It's good to see that some-one developed a SSTO vehicle at last. On a more serious note, as long as they are using uprated Scud missles, Im not loosing any sleep over it. Space tracking should determine whether there is an actual payload in orbit, otherwise this launch will be on the same page of the North Korean satellite launched a couple of years ago.
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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #7 on: 02/25/2007 12:35 pm »
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braddock - 25/2/2007  12:17 PM


Or are clever Iranian public affairs folks

So long as they've not hired this fella ;)

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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #8 on: 02/25/2007 12:41 pm »
Apparently there's nothing traceable on orbit.

We'll stick with reporting Iranian TV's claim for now.

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #9 on: 02/25/2007 12:58 pm »
Define space... Scud's make it into "space" then come back down. I read it as they have carried out a sounding rocket test instead of the usual missile test. That or someone at the news outlet mis understood something when asking about a missile test. You know, missile XYZ reaches X km up which is the edge of space.
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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #10 on: 02/25/2007 02:58 pm »
Some interesting analysis in an article in Defense Tech last month:
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003219.html

"But if the Globalsecurity.org specs are right, the Iranian missile's delta-v is only about half of the 9-10 kilometers/second needed to get into low-earth orbit. "Unless the Iranians have done something amazing to mod up the power of the Shahab-3, which I haven't seen any reliable evidence of, that theoretical satellite is going nowhere," Mr. RE says."

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #11 on: 02/25/2007 04:05 pm »
Just reported on CNN (TV) that the rocket was, in fact, suborbital and that it returned to Earth via parachute.  I believe they credited that to another Iranian official, but I'll admit that it was a little vague since it was just a 20 second headline.
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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #12 on: 02/25/2007 04:19 pm »
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jmjawors - 25/2/2007  11:05 AM

Just reported on CNN (TV) that the rocket was, in fact, suborbital and that it returned to Earth via parachute.  I believe they credited that to another Iranian official, but I'll admit that it was a little vague since it was just a 20 second headline.

That's been on here for the last three or four hours:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5031

"Following the contracted launch of the Iranian satellite Sina-1 - conducted by Russia - the launch of the satellite Kavesh (Search) may have been carried out by a converted Shahab-3 missile. However, there is confusion on if this was a proper satellite launch - as claimed - or a sub-orbital launch."

"There are conflicting reports about the actual launch profile of this vehicle, with wire reports quoting another Iranian official, who claimed the launch was sub-orbital, rising to 94 miles, before falling to earth by parachute. This contradicts Iranian State TV."

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #13 on: 02/25/2007 04:23 pm »
I know.  I posted it only because it's another "official" report.  And as more of these come out maybe the truth can actually be known rather than the "confusion" that we currently have.  
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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #14 on: 02/25/2007 05:41 pm »
The NSF article includes the following in its introduction:

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However, there is confusion on if this was a proper satellite launch - as claimed - or a sub-orbital launch.

Chris, can you, or any other readers, cite where Iran (or Iran TV) claimed it was a satellite?

The only direct quotes I have been able to find from the original Iranian TV broadcast are:

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The first space rocket has been successfully launched into space.

and...

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"the rocket was carrying material intended for research created by the ministries of science and defense".

Neither of these seem to suggest a satellite and fit more with the sounding rocket explanation offered later. The NSF headline states, "Iran declares first successful domestic satellite launch" where did they declare this?

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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #15 on: 02/25/2007 05:45 pm »
"Neither of these seem to suggest a satellite "

Then why would they name the "satellite"?

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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #16 on: 02/25/2007 05:57 pm »
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Chris Bergin - 25/2/2007  12:45 PM

"Neither of these seem to suggest a satellite "

Then why would they name the "satellite"?

Exactly.



collectSPACE - 25/2/2007  12:41 PM

The only direct quotes I have been able to find from the original Iranian TV broadcast are:

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The first space rocket has been successfully launched into space.

"the rocket was carrying material intended for research created by the ministries of science and defense".


You missed the comments:

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Tehran - Iran has launched its first satellite into space, ISNA news agency reported Sunday.

The head of the Iranian Aerospace Research Institute, Mohsen Bahrami, said a locally-made satellite system named Kavesh(search) had been launched.

The report did not specify the exact time of the launch but ISNA believed that it had happened within the last seven weeks.

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Re: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #17 on: 02/25/2007 05:58 pm »
You didn't get to see much of a report if you only got two lines. They shows the State TV broadcast and it went on for a while, more than a line or two.

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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #18 on: 02/25/2007 05:59 pm »
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Chris Bergin - 25/2/2007  12:45 PM

Then why would they name the "satellite"?
The Kuwait News Agency said that the name, "Kavesh" was that of the rocket, not the satellite, which would also lend credence to it being a sounding rocket and not a converted Shahab-3.

Google News search returns only five articles citing "Kavesh," of which one is NSF, one is the Kuwait News Service and the other three are from the DPA. The latter does report that the title applies to a "locally-made satellite system" but that could very well be a mistake in translation...

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RE: Iran launches home-made space missile
« Reply #19 on: 02/25/2007 06:00 pm »
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collectSPACE - 25/2/2007  12:41 PM
Neither of these seem to suggest a satellite and fit more with the sounding rocket explanation offered later. The NSF headline states, "Iran declares first successful domestic satellite launch" where did they declare this?

Iranian Aerospace Research Institute did.

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