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RE: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #20 on: 01/30/2007 11:05 PM »
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spacemuppet - 30/1/2007  5:26 PM

I don't know guys...it sure seems to me like not only are we making beds in a burning house, but we're paying the maid a heck of a lot of money to do it.  3 years is like nothing in this business.  It may as well be tomorrow.  How many more flight will Endeavour have, like 3?

They're making sure they make the most of the time they have left with the shuttle program.  There is plenty of justification for upgrading the system (see my earlier posts).  And Endeavour has six flights left:

STS-118
STS-123
STS-119
STS-128
STS-130
STS-132

It will have one flight this year, two in 2008, two in 2009 and one in 2010.
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RE: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #21 on: 01/30/2007 11:09 PM »
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spacemuppet - 30/1/2007  5:26 PM

I don't know guys...it sure seems to me like not only are we making beds in a burning house, but we're paying the maid a heck of a lot of money to do it.  3 years is like nothing in this business.  It may as well be tomorrow.  How many more flight will Endeavour have, like 3?

It's not like NASA had much choice; Endeavour was up for OMM, so they either had to go through with it or retire the vehicle now. And there's no way NASA can fly out the remaining manifest if they chose the latter.
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RE: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #22 on: 01/30/2007 11:54 PM »
Other than any critical adaption equipment for the ISS, why does it need a fancy new glass cockpit?  Did the old cockpit not work?

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RE: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #23 on: 01/31/2007 12:24 AM »
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spacemuppet - 30/1/2007  7:54 PM

Other than any critical adaption equipment for the ISS, why does it need a fancy new glass cockpit?  Did the old cockpit not work?

It was a planned upgrade dating back to the late 90's.   It was already paid for.  All cockpits for new aircraft are glass.   The old cockpit was hard to maintain because of the outdated equipment.  There were other things done during the OMM, structural inspections among them.

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Re: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #24 on: 01/31/2007 12:37 AM »
Spacemuppet;

Have you ever seen "Space Cowboys"? The Shuttle cockpits shown there are what they used to be...derived from 1970s-era B-52 components. Just like most commercial aircraft, it was simply time to upgrade. Now, as to what I believe you're really after...

There are other, far more serious issues with the remaining OV-100 series orbiters. Wiring insulation issues, corrosion in places that would require a total rebuild, problems with obtaining needed spare parts. They were using Endeavour as a spare parts horse for the other three Shuttles before the Columbia accident.

The question you post was mentioned by one of the speakers at the Washington CAIB hearing. Why fix or upgrade it if I'm going to get rid of it in three years? The answer is simple: do this on the cheap, and there will be more names added to that wall in Florida.

Ever see "The World's Fastest Indian"? There is a picture titled "Offerings to the Gods of Speed" that shows a shelf lined with burned and broken engine components. Spaceflight is much less forgiving.

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Re: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #25 on: 01/31/2007 09:30 PM »
Do we have any recent pictures of Endeavour after her OMM?
She is always so clean looking, almost no "weathering"!

Stefan :)

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Re: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #26 on: 01/31/2007 09:40 PM »
I just found the following picture of Endeavourīs cockpit during testing in January 1991 (before her roll-out).

Stefan :)

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RE: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #27 on: 02/01/2007 12:32 AM »
Lets see if I can post a photo of what it looks like now...

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RE: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #28 on: 02/01/2007 12:34 AM »
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spaceflight101 - 31/1/2007  8:32 PM

Lets see of I can post a photo of what it looks like now...

You can post a picture of the cockpit of any other current orbiter.  It won't be any different

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Re: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #29 on: 02/01/2007 12:36 AM »
I guessed that they'd all be consistent, that's why I posted that one. It was my first successful posting, all of my good photos are too big.

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RE: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #30 on: 02/01/2007 03:42 AM »
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Jim - 31/1/2007  7:34 PM

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spaceflight101 - 31/1/2007  8:32 PM

Lets see of I can post a photo of what it looks like now...

You can post a picture of the cockpit of any other current orbiter.  It won't be any different

It doesn't even necessarily need to be an orbiter. I'm willing to bet the "after" photo was taken in the SMS, not an orbiter. :)
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Re: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #31 on: 02/01/2007 02:03 PM »
Yeah all the differences are quite apparent between the old cockpit and new one.  But yes they are all the same in each orbiter.
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Re: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #32 on: 02/01/2007 02:11 PM »
Now we need to get a picture of Columbia cockpit for STS-01... I'm betting that Endeavour's original cockpit was a jump forward on that too.
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Re: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #33 on: 02/01/2007 02:17 PM »
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Joffan - 1/2/2007  10:11 AM

Now we need to get a picture of Columbia cockpit for STS-01... I'm betting that Endeavour's original cockpit was a jump forward on that too.

It was the same.  The only thing OV-102 didn't have was the HUD's.  Every orbiter after it had them.  OV-102 were added later.

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Re: Why did we just upgrade Endeavour?
« Reply #34 on: 02/01/2007 02:34 PM »
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Jim - 1/2/2007  9:17 AM

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Joffan - 1/2/2007  10:11 AM

Now we need to get a picture of Columbia cockpit for STS-01... I'm betting that Endeavour's original cockpit was a jump forward on that too.

It was the same.  The only thing OV-102 didn't have was the HUD's.  Every orbiter after it had them.  OV-102 were added later.

Yeah you wouldn't be able to distinguish one orbiter from the next just by looking at the cockpit.  Endeavour had several mofications to her design from the first four orbiters but a sweet-a cockpit wasn't one of them.  BTW Jim, in your pictures, which orbiter are you sitting in?
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