Elon Musk quote: SpaceX will lean in big on the Moon

[thespacecow]

Elon replied "Awesome" to Jared Isaacman's post about building a lunar base: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2005197770567958968

Jared Isaacman clarifies "establish an enduring presence" aka the "permanent lunar outpost" in the EO means a lunar base:

https://x.com/mmealling/status/2004993398672093290

@rookisaacman Can you please describe what "an enduring presence" looks like? Most Americans don't understand what that means.

https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2005017621746590205

We are going to build a Moon base

[Greg Hullender]

I at least want Google navigation to handle conversation. "What's the exit number?" "Report an accident at this location." "This is a terrible place to ask me to turn left!"

[OTV Booster]

OMG. You want a relationship with your car? I think there might be a generational disjuncture here. I just want a car to run straight, stop straight and keep the water out.

I think there's a big difference between "AI girlfriend" and "the computer voice from Star Trek."

The latter is what is meekGee is actually describing, but you're making it out like he's describing the former. Cheap shot and shallow dismissal. 

I have to bow to your expertise in cheap shots and shallow dismissals.

I accept this as your clear admission of guilt, and your complete retraction of the quoted statement as invalid and specious. 

You are free to interpret anything in any way you wish. However, my intent was not as you describe. The point is that IMO, you are a serial practitioner of cheap shots and shallow dismissals.

Edit to add: your reply further affirms my opinion.

This is getting out of hand. Where would it be convenient for our seconds to meet?

[OTV Booster]

I'm in the market for an SUV. First entry in the decision tree is: Does it have a modem? If yes, move on.

Sadly you'll be looking for a *long* time.  Almost every new vehicle these days "phones home" regularly.

I have to say tho, while I really like me my AI, I also want a doomsday-ready car that runs even when the Internet is down, service is overdue, and the left front camera cover is dirty...

And one that the manufacturer can't brick because they "no longer provide support." They haven't done it yet but give 'em time.


It's an older SUV + $k for me.

[meekGee]

I'm in the market for an SUV. First entry in the decision tree is: Does it have a modem? If yes, move on.

Sadly you'll be looking for a *long* time.  Almost every new vehicle these days "phones home" regularly.

I have to say tho, while I really like me my AI, I also want a doomsday-ready car that runs even when the Internet is down, service is overdue, and the left front camera cover is dirty...

And one that the manufacturer can't brick because they "no longer provide support." They haven't done it yet but give 'em time.


It's an older SUV + $k for me.

So we're on the same page there, but you see howy AI doesn't conflict with any of that.

In fact the most annoying computerization trends so far have nothing to do with AI, and the most annoying computer interfaces are such because they are not AI...

(Why TF is cruise control disabled when the camera is dirty?  How low have we sunk?!)

[OTV Booster]

I'm in the market for an SUV. First entry in the decision tree is: Does it have a modem? If yes, move on.

Sadly you'll be looking for a *long* time.  Almost every new vehicle these days "phones home" regularly.

I have to say tho, while I really like me my AI, I also want a doomsday-ready car that runs even when the Internet is down, service is overdue, and the left front camera cover is dirty...

And one that the manufacturer can't brick because they "no longer provide support." They haven't done it yet but give 'em time.


It's an older SUV + $k for me.

So we're on the same page there, but you see howy AI doesn't conflict with any of that.

In fact the most annoying computerization trends so far have nothing to do with AI, and the most annoying computer interfaces are such because they are not AI...

(Why TF is cruise control disabled when the camera is dirty?  How low have we sunk?!)

AI is an enabler - for good or ill. In a commercial environment I expect more ill than good.


In a big truck I owned the cruse was disabled when the collision radar was unplugged. Maybe the camera is part of the collision system? If the damn thing was part of an anti collision system it would make more sense.


The truck's radar acted as if collision was its goal. An estimated 20 false positives for every real one. Crossing RR tracks, passing under a highway sign, driving along side a jersey wall, tight maneuvering while parking, out of the blue with no obvious cause. Visually, a trigger had everything on the dash flashing with LEDs running back and forth in an arch over the speedo. And an ongoing old style CONELRAD radio alert blap just a few dB below the pain threshold. Driving a 80klb truck at 65-70mph is the last place you want the crap startled out of you. A really, really bad interface design.


The point is, Zerox PARK Palo Alto was probably the last time anybody put any serious brain energy into interface design. Windowz is brain dead. Phones and tablets are a pain and usable for limited tasks but do open up with AI driven voice interaction. If the AI were self contained there'd be no problem. Unfortunately, it's connected right back into corporate proctological processes.

[Exastro]

(Why TF is cruise control disabled when the camera is dirty?  How low have we sunk?!)

Don't know what vehicle you're referring to, but if it's a Tesla then it relies on the cameras for just about everything, including the traffic-awareness of its cruise control.

[meekGee]

Yes I know all that.  I was indulging OTV with a different old man's grump.  It's the holidays.

AI, as exemplified by chatGPT  is very different from the braindead computer interfaces that came before it.  It is a quantum leap, and if computer interfaces all become AI centric, doors and elevators and hot beverage dispensing machines included, it's a very good thing.

Alongside manual options where it makes sense.

[Nevyn72]

AI, as exemplified by chatGPT  is very different from the braindead computer interfaces that came before it.  It is a quantum leap, and if computer interfaces all become AI centric, doors and elevators and hot beverage dispensing machines included, it's a very good thing.

I'm familiar with this future...

"I can tell that door is about to open. They get an intolerable air of smugness over a job well done. I hate doors."
* Marvin the paranoid android

[meekGee]

AI, as exemplified by chatGPT  is very different from the braindead computer interfaces that came before it.  It is a quantum leap, and if computer interfaces all become AI centric, doors and elevators and hot beverage dispensing machines included, it's a very good thing.

I'm familiar with this future...

"I can tell that door is about to open. They get an intolerable air of smugness over a job well done. I hate doors."
* Marvin the paranoid android

Yup those quotes were not accidental...  THHGttG is prime writing of what CAN go wrong when marketing departments (.."against the wall") write product specs.

[Twark_Main]

(Why TF is cruise control disabled when the camera is dirty?  How low have we sunk?!)

Don't know what vehicle you're referring to, but if it's a Tesla then it relies on the cameras for just about everything, including the traffic-awareness of its cruise control.

I thought it was because you can't use "regular" Cruise Control if the camera is dirty/fogged inside/glitching.

Bad knee? Long drive? Tough luck...   

[CaptNemo53]

I think this thread is a contender for the furthest drift into the ozone.

[meekGee]

(Why TF is cruise control disabled when the camera is dirty?  How low have we sunk?!)

Don't know what vehicle you're referring to, but if it's a Tesla then it relies on the cameras for just about everything, including the traffic-awareness of its cruise control.

I thought it was because you can't use "regular" Cruise Control if the camera is dirty/fogged inside/glitching.

Bad knee? Long drive? Tough luck...   

Yes, in the haste to make everything super smart, they forgot that you can do cruise control by just reading the speedometer.  You don't even have to add any of the analog components of old.

But that's not AI, that's just the marketing department having too much sway.

--

I think we should discuss the absence of spare tires as a broader social phenomenon, pros and cons.

[Twark_Main]

(Why TF is cruise control disabled when the camera is dirty?  How low have we sunk?!)

Don't know what vehicle you're referring to, but if it's a Tesla then it relies on the cameras for just about everything, including the traffic-awareness of its cruise control.

I thought it was because you can't use "regular" Cruise Control if the camera is dirty/fogged inside/glitching.

Bad knee? Long drive? Tough luck...   

Yes, in the haste to make everything super smart, they forgot that you can do cruise control by just reading the speedometer.  You don't even have to add any of the analog components of old.

But that's not AI, that's just the marketing department having too much sway.

--

I think we should discuss the absence of spare tires as a broader social phenomenon, pros and cons.

To drag this ship, groaning, back on topic...

If the car AI is like in Star Trek, I would call that "useful" and not "marketing."  What we want is Majel Barrett, not H.A.L.

The nice thing is, that compute can easily be offloaded to the cloud-in-space (nebula?), whereas you want the actual driving AI to be local.

You can wait 200 milliseconds for a voice command to process, and (unlike driving) it's okay if the connection gets interrupted.

[meekGee]

(Why TF is cruise control disabled when the camera is dirty?  How low have we sunk?!)

Don't know what vehicle you're referring to, but if it's a Tesla then it relies on the cameras for just about everything, including the traffic-awareness of its cruise control.

I thought it was because you can't use "regular" Cruise Control if the camera is dirty/fogged inside/glitching.

Bad knee? Long drive? Tough luck...   

Yes, in the haste to make everything super smart, they forgot that you can do cruise control by just reading the speedometer.  You don't even have to add any of the analog components of old.

But that's not AI, that's just the marketing department having too much sway.

--

I think we should discuss the absence of spare tires as a broader social phenomenon, pros and cons.

To drag this ship, groaning, back on topic...

If the car AI is like in Star Trek, I would call that "useful" and not "marketing."  What we want is Majel Barrett, not H.A.L.

The nice thing is, that compute can easily be offloaded to the cloud-in-space (nebula?), whereas you want the actual driving AI to be local.

You can wait 200 milliseconds for a voice command to process, and (unlike driving) it's okay if the connection gets interrupted.

Yup.

The generations that will follow the current chatGPTs, I am very much looking forward to see.

As they get integrated into things, what I hope to see is the embodiment of "my" assistant temporarily residing in the car, or the coffee machine, etc. and I can tell it to make me a coffee , or to temporarily fuck off because I want drive right now.

[spacenut]

I prefer Grok to ChatGPT for what I have used AI for.  Found Grok to be far more accurate and friendly. 

[zubenelgenubi]

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