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#820 by Jorge on 13 Aug, 2007 19:39
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Danny Dot - 13/8/2007 2:31 PM
Does anyone have any pictures of this kit?
Not much to look at. It's just a cable.QuoteDoes it have little motors that physically throw the switches? I can see how this would work. The air data deploy would be tough because it has to be pulled out before it can be thrown.
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#821 by gavsto2006 on 14 Aug, 2007 09:16
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This is really going to annoy me if I can't find it. I know the link is in Part 1 of this huge FAQ (I'm reading it back to back) but I can't find it for the life of me. I'm looking for the video of STS-51-F (I think) where they call an ATO. Chris posted it in the first FAQ but I can't find it!!!!
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#822 by joncz on 14 Aug, 2007 09:40
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#823 by elmarko on 14 Aug, 2007 10:10
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After checking with Chris where to put this, I'm posting it here:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19830074554_1983074554.pdf
Flight Data File Materials Handbook, a very very early version from 1982, found knocking around on the NASA Technical Reports Server. Useful for all you FDF fans who want to know how the books are made, and what to use if you want to print your own replica copies out :-) Anyone know how relevant the information is now that it's 2007?
Also, it would go very well with this handbook:
http://shuttlepayloads.jsc.nasa.gov/training/pdf/09958B.PDF - Flight Data File Preparation Standards
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#824 by Kyra's kosmos on 14 Aug, 2007 16:45
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Thanks for posting these.
Obviously much has changed since the first document, with some suppliers not being around after 25 years. The expansion of COTS in the 1990's changed some things as well.
The second document under preparation standards holds fairly close to the current standard, but there are some noteworthy changes. For example the Helvetica font was considered a standard in the mid 90's FDF, but to ensure the font was available on Windows, Arial is considered the standard for most documents now. For those who wish to know what the nice looking font in the Flight Plan Detail pages, that is a very small Letter Gothic. Courier is still used in the attitude timelines for reasons of spacing (monospace). It lines up colums of numbers well.
BTW, on the matter of writing utensils outside of your Fisher Space Pen CH4, we see an interesting silver pencil with a flag bezel on top - that is made by Garland. (But difficult to find now) The black mechanical pencils are Skilcraft American Classic .9mm. As for markers, in addition to the Sharpie you also see Staedler Lumicolor. These have inks that are media marking safe. (Will not yellow or acidify plastic). And why .9mm instead of .5mm ? The leads break easily and could get in your eye (imagine that during an EVA if one was hiding in your helmet and "found" your eye) or be inhaled. Tiny solid objects produced by easy breakage are a big no for good reason. That's one of the big reasons they have an eyewash kit.
I have not seen who makes the book tethers, but I use parachute cord, because it is durable and does not tangle. The small pear shaped clips must also be a special order. (You will not find them at Wal-Mart or Ace
Kind of an interesting subtopic of spaceflight, I am reminded of the lyric "the simple things you see are all complicated" with regard to NASA spec.
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#825 by elmarko on 14 Aug, 2007 17:03
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I'm tempted to start a new thread on FDF replication, because I've just started to print out the Payload Powerdown Checklist from STS-117 (found on L2, naturally) by way of a "test" - I'm going to attack the pages with a guillotine at work on Thursday, and see what I can find for binding them. If it works well for that one I will do the rest.
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#826 by dantdbv on 14 Aug, 2007 19:18
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I'm a lucky happy fellow,
Today i have bought Monogram's 1/72 scale Spaceshuttle for about 97,5$, if you take away 25% for vat, 2-6% importtax, i have chosen 4%, 25$ freight and 5$ give or take in exchange fee, then we get 40,2 $. I think that is a nice price. Guess what my new plans for STS-61 is going to be. Naah don't bother just look at my plans below.
A couple more pic links, i have just discovered the Marshall link today.
http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov Click on the yellow dots on top for relevant pics and moviefiles, Space Shuttle projects has 50 pages with 12 items on each. Click on the text to get resolution choice. Don't know whats here, have just startet using it.
http://dayton.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/ Unfortunately they jump in time and programs, no descriptions and it could be me, just being tired, when i looked trough the small pics, but i got the feeling that the smallpicnumbers didn't allways fit the bicpicnumbers. Well good luck.
Shuttleplans
1:
PlayShuttle, no paint, no filling just lightly sanding. Minicraft Orbiter, Revell stack and MLP
2:
Enterprise, ALT freeflight 5 on SCA 905 in flight. Revell Orbiter and 747, scratchbuild struts and stabilizers. On hold until Spacecraft Films finishes their Space Shuttle First Flights box.
3:
Columbia, STS-1 on pad, just after HBOI (sparklers) ignition, before SSME start, that should be between t-11 and t-6 seconds. Revell Orbiter/stack. First on modified Revell MLP, then scratchbuild correct MLP, then on just enough hardstand to fit in the FSS and RSS. On hold until Spacecraft Films finishes their Space Shuttle First Flights box.
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Challenger, STS-33/51L in flight at T+60 seconds, with visible flame From right SRB field joint. Revell Orbiter, Airfix/Minicraft stack? Stack decision will be made when i get the Airfix kit. Working on exhaust plumes from Orbiter and SRB's, they're gonna be lighted, i just don't know how yet, but i do have some ideas.
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Endeavour, STS-61 HSM-1 on orbit with baydoors open. Monogram 1/72 with Realspace payloadbay. Need to find good payloadbay pics and plans.
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Atlantis OMDP-2 1997 ferryflight with dummy OMS and FRCS pods and tailcone on cutout SCA 911 with landinggear down. Revell Orbiter and cutaway 747, scratchbuild interior, struts and stabilizers. If it where there at the time, then maybe in a scratchbuild mate-demate device at Palmdale. (yeah right, when i get a bigger place to live, maybe.) Need to find some more good pics and/or drawings of the interior, struts and stabilizers.
7:
Discovery STS-121 on runway. Need to find some good pics.
8:
Columbia STS-107 on orbit with closed baydoors.
Happy day.
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#827 by Jim on 14 Aug, 2007 19:27
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There is a model building thread
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#828 by LSainsbury on 14 Aug, 2007 20:00
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STS-107..
Obviously this site was around at the time of the loss of STS-107? Are there any FD-x threads still in here which go though how the whole day unfolded?
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#829 by DaveS on 14 Aug, 2007 20:06
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Nope. Not around for 107. But was around just in time as the real actvities for STS-114 was happing(rollover, rollout, tanking tests, rollback, de-mating and re-mating and re-rollout etc.)
STS-107..
Obviously this site was around at the time of the loss of STS-107? Are there any FD-x threads still in here which go though how the whole day unfolded?
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#830 by Thorny on 14 Aug, 2007 20:29
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STS-107..
Obviously this site was around at the time of the loss of STS-107? Are there any FD-x threads still in here which go though how the whole day unfolded?
I've done a quick search but didn't find anything...
Try a Google News (usenet) search of sci.space.shuttle for 1 Feb 03. It's sobering to go back a week or so before and see Jim Oberg's request for information whether or not Columbia had an RMS aboard because there was a really big debris strike. If only...
SpaceflightNow still has its 107 archive, last I checked. No public discussion, but lots of "as it happened" updates. -
#831 by DaveS on 14 Aug, 2007 20:36
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Yep: http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts107/
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#832 by brahmanknight on 14 Aug, 2007 21:40
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Could someone explain "beta angle cutout" to me?
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#833 by psloss on 14 Aug, 2007 21:44
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brahmanknight - 14/8/2007 5:40 PM
Stealing a Jorge post:
Could someone explain "beta angle cutout" to me?
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6215&posts=6#M103920
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#834 by Lee Jay on 14 Aug, 2007 21:54
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Thorny - 14/8/2007 2:29 PM
Try a Google News (usenet) search of sci.space.shuttle for 1 Feb 03. It's sobering to go back a week or so before and see Jim Oberg's request for information whether or not Columbia had an RMS aboard because there was a really big debris strike. If only...
Actually, he asked if they had SAFER's on board. Was he thinking they'd use them like MMUs or something?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.shuttle/browse_frm/thread/11d24a2ac85661fe/787d0d66fdd59e67?lnk=gst
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#835 by dantdbv on 14 Aug, 2007 22:17
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I do know that Jim, the main reason i put it on here was the links, especially Marshall has a lot of stuff about SSME's and other things. I have to admit that i was undecided about were to put it, but i thought that it would be okay. If it's not Chris, just move it.
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#836 by gavsto2006 on 14 Aug, 2007 22:55
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joncz - 14/8/2007 10:40 AM
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=713&start=1
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#837 by erioladastra on 15 Aug, 2007 01:09
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"Could someone explain "beta angle cutout" to me?"
Beta angle is the angle between the orbital plane and the sun. There are cutouts because at high beta angles power production for ISS or temps (high or low) are reached. Therefore there is a cutout for a given activity for a given beta. -
#838 by ChrisGebhardt on 15 Aug, 2007 04:46
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Quick question... how long does it take to turn a shuttle launch pad around from launch to rollout of the next shuttle?
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#839 by Jim on 15 Aug, 2007 12:03
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It varies depending on NASA's funding and the Manpower levels that are available. More money and people, the quicker is can be done. Because of this, the turnaround times have been different in the 80's, 90's, and 00's
