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Thread for the Starlink Group 9-3 launch.

Launch 12 July 2024, at 02:35:00 UTC (11 July 7:35 pm PDT), from Vandenberg SLC-4E, on booster 1063-19.  The first stage will land aboard Of Course I Still Love You.

Payload 20 Starlink V2.0 Mini satellites, including 13 of which are Direct-to-Cell satellites, to a 53 degree inclination orbit on a southeastern trajectory.  Initial orbit 286 x 296 km.

Please use the Starlink Discussion Thread for all general discussion on Starlink.

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Possible Vandenberg Falcon 9 Starlink launch, circa early July, following NROL-186:
Starlink 7-19, or
Starlink 8-3, or
Starlink 9-3.

If there is no Starlink launch circa July 3/4/5/6 PDT, then such a launch would be later in July, following Transporter-11 on July 10, and perhaps also the ASBM pair:

Transporter-11:
Celestis now states launch is July 10.
https://www.celestis.com/launch-schedule/harmony-flight/
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"Earth Orbit Service #11
Celestis Memorial Spaceflight: #24
Mission Name: Harmony Flight
Mission Status: Closed for reservations
Launch Location: Vandenberg SFB California
Launch Date: July 10, 2024"

I don't think that OCISLY turnaround is an issue, because Transporter-11 will most likely land its Falcon 9 first stage at LZ-4.  Pad turnaround is the limiting factor.

ASBM:
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Intelsat License LLC (“Intelsat”) herein requests 30 days of Special Temporary Authority (“STA”),1 commencing July 10, 2024, to use its Nuevo, California Ka-band earth station, E170039, to provide launch and early orbit phase (“LEOP”) services for the ASBM 1 and ASBM 2 satellites.2 ASBM 1 and ASMB 2 are expected to launch together no earlier than July 10, 2024.3 Intelsat expects the LEOP period to last approximately 45 days.

The ASBM 1 and ASBM 2 satellites will operate in the same highly elliptical, three apogee orbit with apogees of 69° E.L., 189° E.L., and 309° E.L. Intelsat will communicate with the satellites only when they are in view of its antenna.

(I think this launch will require OCISLY.)

News, one way or the other, should appear very soon.

Edit July 1: It's Starlink 9-3 before Transporter-11.



Assuming an early July launch...
Which first stage will be used for this launch?  (semi-rhetorical question)

Falcon 9 first stages are now cleared for use over twenty times for non-human spaceflight missions, although that number is apparently more restricted for Cargo Dragon and Cygnus than these other payloads.

Available first stages, with UTC date of most recent recovery:
1063.19   May 14
1071.16   May 22
1061.22   June 8
1082.6     June 19 (maybe)

Edit July 9: It's B1063.19.

Edited
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NET July 7 UTC/late July 6 PDT:

B0540/24 NOTAMN
Q) MMFR/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/
A) MMFR
B) 2407070333
C) 2407130544
D) 07 0333-0804, 08 0310-0741, 09 0246-0717, 10 0223-0654,
   11 0200-0631, 12 0137-0608, 13 0113-0544
E) DANGEROUS AREA FOR REENTRY OF ROCKET STARLINK 9-3
   LATERAL LIMIT AREA FORMED BY THE UNION OF THE FLW POINTS:
   30 04N  116 28W
   29 42N  116 06W
   29 18N  115 56W
   28 58N  116 22W
   29 12N  116 48W
   29 32N  117 06W
   30 22N  117 24W
   30 44N  117 28W
   30 44N  117 22W
   30 35N  117 06W
   30 04N  116 28W
   MMFR
F) SFC
G) UNL

R0148/24 NOTAMN
Q) SCIZ/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2348S09811W700
A) SCIZ B) 2407070512 C) 2407130720
D) JUL 07 0512-0940 08 0449-0917 09 0425-0853 10 0402-0830
 11 0339-0807 12 0316-0744 13 0252-0720
E) ZONE ...D... SECT W PACIFIC DUE TO RE-ENTRY SPACEX STARLINK 9-3
 STAGE 2 REENTRY ACT. THE AREA IS BOUNDED BY GEO COORD:
1500S 10724W
1500S 10441W
3122S 09024W
3420S 09024W
1500S 10724W
INSTRUCTIONS: SANTIAGO OCEANIC CONTROL 10024KHZ FANS 1A EQUIPPED
ACFT LOG ON SCEZ
INFO PROVIDED BY SPACE X OPS, USA
F) SFC G) UNL

A1124/24 NOTAMN
Q) SEFG/QXXWW/IV/NBO/AE/000/999/0010S11654W005
A) SEXX B) 2407070512 C) 2407130720
D) JUL 07 0512-0940, JUL 08 0449-0917, JUL 09 0425-0853, JUL 10
0402-0830, JUL 11 0339-0807, JUL 12 0316-0744 AND JUL 13 0252-0720
E) SPACEX FALCON 9 STARLINK 9-3 STAGE 2 REENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN IN THE
UNASSIGNED FIR, SECT DELIMITED BY THE FOLLOWING COORD 0119S 11654W,
0010S 11517W, 1500S 10441W, 1500S 10724W, 0119S 11654W. CTN
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NET July 7 UTC/late July 6 PDT:

Maps from the NOTAMs. ASDS 642km downrange.

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An NGA Space Debris notice that is effectively a Rocket Launching notice.

Quote from: NGA
020932Z JUL 24
NAVAREA XII 486/24(21).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
MEXICO.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   070333Z TO 070804Z, 080310Z TO 080741Z,
   090246Z TO 090717Z, 100223Z TO 100654Z,
   110200Z TO 110631Z, 120137Z TO 120608Z,
   130113Z TO 130544Z JUL
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   30-04.00N 116-28.00W, 29-42.00N 116-06.00W,
   29-18.00N 115-56.00W, 28-58.00N 116-22.00W,
   29-12.00N 116-48.00W, 29-32.00N 117-06.00W,
   30-38.00N 117-26.00W, 30-44.00N 117-26.00W,
   30-41.00N 117-19.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 130644Z JUL 24.//

Two NGA Space Debris notices (the same notice for two different Navigational Areas).

Quote from: NGA
020738Z JUL 24
NAVAREA XII 485/24(22).
EASTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   070512Z TO 070940Z, 080449Z TO 080917Z,
   090425Z TO 090853Z, 100402Z TO 100830Z,
   110339Z TO 110807Z, 120316Z TO 120744Z,
   130252Z TO 130720Z JUL.
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   34-20.00S 090-24.00W, 31-22.00S 090-24.00W,
   00-10.00S 115-17.00W, 01-19.00S 116-54.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 130820Z JUL 24.//
Quote from: NGA
020738Z JUL 24
HYDROPAC 2287/24(22).
EASTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
DNC 06, DNC 07.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   070512Z TO 070940Z, 080449Z TO 080917Z,
   090425Z TO 090853Z, 100402Z TO 100830Z,
   110339Z TO 110807Z, 120316Z TO 120744Z,
   130252Z TO 130720Z JUL.
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   34-20.00S 090-24.00W, 31-22.00S 090-24.00W,
   00-10.00S 115-17.00W, 01-19.00S 116-54.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 130820Z JUL 24.//

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Jellyfish possibility:  Starlink 9-3, 11 July 2024.  Launch time 7:39 PM PDT

For the Los Angeles area here are the sun events for 11 July 2024:

Sunset:  8:07 PM PDT
Civil twilight:  8:36 PM PDT
Nautical twilight:  9:11 PM PDT
Astronomical twilight:  9:50 PM PDT

As a rough starting point, a Vandenberg launch at civil twilight may allow the west coast ground observer to have adequately dark skies to see the plume.  It would be much better as the launch gets later. At some later launch time, the second stage would no longer be sunlit during powered ascent.  That launch time is unknown to me but let us assume about 9:35 PM PDT.

Here is a positive.  For a given launch time that has the second stage in sunlight, the further east you go the darker the skies are on the ground, which would make a better visual experience.  Of course there is a limit on how far east you go because the second stage eventually is below your local horizon.

To illustrate that, here are the 7 July 2024 sun events for Artesia, NM where the launch jellyfish has been seen:

Sunset:   8:09 PM MDT
Civil twilight:  8:38 PM MDT
Nautical twilight:  9:12 PM MDT
Astronomical twilight:  9:50 PM MDT

And here is Phoenix, AZ on 11 July 2024 which will be close for other nearby cities/towns:

Sunset:  7:40 PM MST
Civil twilight:  8:09 PM MST
Nautical twilight:  8:44 PM MST
Astronomical twilight:  9:21 PM MST

                        Jellyfish Sighting Possibility as a Function of Launch Time

Note:  The launch times changed a few minutes.  No change in expected jellyfish visibilities.

1)  7:39 PM PDT launch:  A 7:39 PM PDT launch is 7:39 PM MST which is just before sunset in Phoenix and well before sunset in Los Angeles so don't expect to see it in those areas.    That launch time is 8:39 PM MDT and past civil twilight in Artesia NM so they should be able to see it as well as some locations more westerly in New Mexico.  Consult a sunrise/sunset website to determine civil twilight in your area and note that for a few minutes prior to civil twilight, you may still be able to see the jellyfish.  Look to see what works in your area.  Also the Alpine TX area should be able to see it.

2)  8:35 PM PDT launch:  This should be good for all locations where the second stage can be seen.  It may be a little light for coastal California.

3)  10:33 PM PDT launch:    My guess is that the second stage will not be sunlit through SECO1 so no jellyfish.  I saw one report where a person saw some bit of plume/jellyfish illuminated by the second stage engine.  It might be worth trying to see that.

Here is a map of some jellyfish sightings. If you are curious which way to look, from your location determine the direction to Los Angeles and San Diego and use that as a start and move more to the south as the second stage burn continues...usually to about 8 minutes 43 seconds after launch.  For many people it will be low on the horizon so find a place with minimal obstructions for your viewing location.

« Last Edit: 07/11/2024 02:40 pm by Ron Lee »

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One day slip to July 8 UTC/7 PDT per new NOTAMs:

A1129/24 NOTAMR A1124/24
Q) SEFG/QXXWW/IV/NBO/AE/000/999/0010S11654W005
A) SEXX B) 2407080449 C) 2407140657
D) JUL 08 0449-0917, JUL 09 0425-0853, JUL 10 0402-0830, JUL 11
0339-0807, JUL 12 0316-0744, JUL 13 0252-0720 AND JUL 14 0229-0657
E) SPACEX FALCON 9 STARLINK 9-3 STAGE 2 REENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN IN THE
UNASSIGNED FIR, SECT DELIMITED BY THE FOLLOWING COORD 0119S 11654W,
0010S 11517W, 1500S 10441W, 1500S 10724W, 0119S 11654W. CTN
F) SFC G) UNL


R0155/24 NOTAMN
Q) SCIZ/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2348S09811W700
A) SCIZ B) 2407080449 C) 2407140657
D) JUL 08 BTN 0449-0917 JUL 09 BTN 0425-0853 JUL 10 BTN 0402-0830
JUL 11 BTN 0339-0807 JUL 12 BTN 0316-0744 JUL 13 NTN 0252-0720
JUL 14 BTN 0229-0657
E)
 ZONE ...D... SECT WEST PACIFIC DUE TO RE-ENTRY SPACEX STARLINK 9-3

STAGE 2 REENTRY ACTIVITY. THE AREA IS BOUNDED BY GEO COORD:
1500S 10724W
1500S 10441W
3122S 09024W
3420S 09024W
1500S 10724W
INSTRUCTIONS: SANTIAGO OCEANIC CONTROL 10024KHZ
 FANS 1A EQUIPPED  ACFT LOG ON SCEZ
INFO PROVIDED BY SPACE X OPS, USA
F) SFC G) UNL
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The zones above haven't changed, but https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt.jsp is reporting another one day delay:

SPACEX STARLINK 9-3, VANDENBURG SFB, CA
PRIMARY:   07/09/24   0246Z-0717Z
BACKUPS:   07/10/24   0223Z-0654Z
      07/11/24   0200Z-0631Z
      07/12/24   0137Z-0608Z
      07/13/24   0113Z-0544Z
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Jellyfish possibility:  Starlink 9-3, 8 July 2024.  Launch time 7:46 PM PDT

For the Los Angeles area here are the sun events for 6 July 2024:


Just wanted to pop in and say thanks for your Jellyfish analysis!  I've been able to get some great views from just west of Phoenix thanks to your posts.  For the launch in the pic below, we were able to see the first stage burn as soon as it cleared the mountains west of Phoenix, I think about 60-90 seconds after launch. 
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Just wanted to pop in and say thanks for your Jellyfish analysis!  I've been able to get some great views from just west of Phoenix thanks to your posts.  For the launch in the pic below, we were able to see the first stage burn as soon as it cleared the mountains west of Phoenix, I think about 60-90 seconds after launch.

Isn't that beautiful!   Now that you know that you can see it consider going to a viewing location that is more natural...such as with with cactus in the foreground.  Experiment with video and zooming in to get the booster and payload fairings using their thrusters.

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I don't yet see a post on X from T.S. Kelso, but the CelesTrak website has been updated.

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/

Launch: 2024-07-09 02:46:00 UTC. Deploy: 2024-07-09 03:45:23.120 UTC.

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The FAA ATCSCC Current Operations Plan Advisory now shows July 11, however CelesTrak still shows July 9.

(I'm beginning to really hate this launch. 😠)

https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt.jsp

Quote from: FAA
SPACEX STARLINK 9-3, VANDENBURG SFB, CA
PRIMARY:        07/11/24        0200Z-0631Z
BACKUP:         07/12/24        0137Z-0608Z
                07/13/24        0113Z-0544Z
                07/14/24        0050Z-0521Z
                07/15/24        0027Z-0458Z

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The FAA ATCSCC Current Operations Plan Advisory now shows July 11, however CelesTrak still shows July 9.

(I'm beginning to really hate this launch. 😠)

https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt.jsp

Quote from: FAA
SPACEX STARLINK 9-3, VANDENBURG SFB, CA
PRIMARY:        07/11/24        0200Z-0631Z
BACKUP:         07/12/24        0137Z-0608Z
                07/13/24        0113Z-0544Z
                07/14/24        0050Z-0521Z
                07/15/24        0027Z-0458Z
Well contradictory to the information above, the NOTAMs for the booster recovery zone was just filed several hours ago, one for July 9 UTC and one for July 10.

!CARF 07/057 ZLA AIRSPACE DCC SX STARLINK 9-3 24-25 STNR ALT
RESERVATION WI AN AREA DEFINED AS 343900N1203600W TO 343800N1203800W
TO 341900N1202300W TO 340800N1201300W TO 334400N1195100W TO
334500N1194900W TO 343700N1203100W TO POINT OF ORIGIN SFC-UNL
2407090246-2407090708


!CARF 07/073 ZLA AIRSPACE DCC SX STARLINK 9-3 24-25 STNR ALT
RESERVATION WI AN AREA DEFINED AS 343900N1203600W TO 343800N1203800W
TO 341900N1202300W TO 340800N1201300W TO 334400N1195100W TO
334500N1194900W TO 343700N1203100W TO POINT OF ORIGIN SFC-UNL
2407100223-2407100645
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I don't yet see a post on X from T.S. Kelso, but the CelesTrak website has been updated.

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/

Launch: 2024-07-09 02:46:00 UTC. Deploy: 2024-07-09 03:45:23.120 UTC.

T.S. Kelso has now posted on X with the same information as was, and still is, on the CelesTrak website.

Note however the "Stay tuned for updates!"

https://twitter.com/TSKelso/status/1810167807394603084

Quote from: T.S. Kelso
CelesTrak has pre-launch SupGP data for the @Starlink Group 9-3 launch from Vandenberg SFB on 2024-07-09 at 02:46:00 UTC (beginning of launch window): https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/table.php?FILE=starlink-g9-3. Deployment of 20 satellites at 03:45:23.120 UTC. Stay tuned for updates!

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OK finally one of the 2nd stage re-entry NOTAMs got slipped to July 11 UTC so this launch is indeed delayed:

R0161/24 NOTAMN
Q) SCIZ/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2348S09811W700
A) SCIZ B) 2407110339 C) 2407170547
D) JUL 11 BTN 0339-0807 JUL 12 BTN 0316-0744 JUL 13 BTN 0252-0720
JUL 14 BTN 0229-0657 JUL 15 BTN 0206-0634 JUL 16 BTN 0142-0610
JUL 17 BTN 0119-0547
E) ZONE ...D... SECT WEST PACIFIC DUE TO RE-ENTRY SPACEX STARLINK 9-3
STAGE 2 REENTRY ACTIVITY
. THE AREA IS BOUNDED BY GEO COORD:
1500S 10724W
1500S 10441W
3122S 09024W
3420S 09024W
1500S 10724W
INSTRUCTIONS: SANTIAGO OCEANIC CONTROL 10024KHZ
FANS 1A EQUIPPED  ACFT LOG ON SCEZ
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I don't yet see a post on X from T.S. Kelso, but the CelesTrak website has been updated.

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/

Launch: 2024-07-09 02:46:00 UTC. Deploy: 2024-07-09 03:45:23.120 UTC.

T.S. Kelso has now posted on X with the same information as was, and still is, on the CelesTrak website.

Note however the "Stay tuned for updates!"

https://twitter.com/TSKelso/status/1810167807394603084

Quote from: T.S. Kelso
CelesTrak has pre-launch SupGP data for the @Starlink Group 9-3 launch from Vandenberg SFB on 2024-07-09 at 02:46:00 UTC (beginning of launch window): https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/table.php?FILE=starlink-g9-3. Deployment of 20 satellites at 03:45:23.120 UTC. Stay tuned for updates!

Sometime yesterday the July 9 information was removed from the CelesTrak website.

Today there is a single launch opportunity for July 11 on the website, though again no post on X from T.S. Kelso.

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/

Launch: 2024-07-11 02:00:00 UTC. Deploy: 2024-07-11 02:59:23.120 UTC.

Lindsay C + OCISLY departed PoLB on Jul 9 @ 12:09pm PT / 3:09pm ET

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https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1810794556079948196

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Targeting Wednesday, July 10 for a Falcon 9 launch of 20 @Starlink satellites to low-Earth orbit from California, including 13 with Direct to Cell capabilities →

https://spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=sl-9-3

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SpaceX is targeting Wednesday, July 10 for a Falcon 9 launch of 20 Starlink satellites, including 13 with Direct to Cell capabilities, to low-Earth orbit from Space Launch Complex 4 East (SLC-4E) at Vandenberg Space Force Station in California. Liftoff is targeted for 7:00 p.m. PT, with backup opportunities available until 11:00 p.m. PT. If needed, additional opportunities are also available on Thursday, July 11 starting at 6:37 p.m. ET.

A live webcast of this mission will begin about 15 minutes prior to liftoff, which you can watch here and on X @SpaceX.

This is the 19th flight for the first stage booster supporting this mission, which previously launched Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich, DART, Transporter-7, Iridium OneWeb, SDA-0B, and 13 Starlink missions. Following stage separation, the first stage will land on the Of Course I Still Love You droneship, which will be stationed in the Pacific Ocean.

Booster 1063.19
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PDF of online press kit and link to X livestream.

https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1gqGvNkwZPgGB
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