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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #20 on: 05/28/2024 08:45 am »
Launch delayed to no earlier than mid July.

https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/launch/6223-gilmour-launch-on-hold-as-wait-continues-for-permit

Gilmour launch on hold as wait continues for permit
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27 May 2024

Gilmour now believes the first launch of its Eris rocket is unlikely to take place before mid-July.
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #21 on: 05/28/2024 08:53 am »
Here's the mission page for the first flight. Unfortunately, there won't be a livestream. Attached are some images from the page.

https://www.gspace.com/missions
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #22 on: 05/29/2024 11:01 pm »
Launch delayed to no earlier than mid July.

https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/launch/6223-gilmour-launch-on-hold-as-wait-continues-for-permit

Gilmour launch on hold as wait continues for permit
Adam Thorn
27 May 2024

Gilmour now believes the first launch of its Eris rocket is unlikely to take place before mid-July.

Interesting that the rocket pictured that article looks nothing like the Eris rocket in their launch site pics.. What gives?

With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #23 on: 05/29/2024 11:05 pm »
Launch delayed to no earlier than mid July.

https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/launch/6223-gilmour-launch-on-hold-as-wait-continues-for-permit

Gilmour launch on hold as wait continues for permit
Adam Thorn
27 May 2024

Gilmour now believes the first launch of its Eris rocket is unlikely to take place before mid-July.

Interesting that the rocket pictured that article looks nothing like the Eris rocket in their launch site pics.. What gives?

The bulge around the second stage reminds me of external thermal insulation you sometimes see, the type that's meant to break away upon launch. I think without that, the rocket would look the same as the version on the website, just the wrong color.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #24 on: 06/14/2024 07:31 am »
A few more photos of Eris on the pad

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #25 on: 06/14/2024 12:15 pm »
Launch delayed to no earlier than mid July.

https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/launch/6223-gilmour-launch-on-hold-as-wait-continues-for-permit

Gilmour launch on hold as wait continues for permit
Adam Thorn
27 May 2024

Gilmour now believes the first launch of its Eris rocket is unlikely to take place before mid-July.

Interesting that the rocket pictured that article looks nothing like the Eris rocket in their launch site pics.. What gives?

It’s a different rocket. The one in the photo is way smaller with a diameter around half a meter and a length of about 5 meters. It seems to be their one vision sounding rocket: https://www.gspace.com/post/one-vision-statement.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #26 on: 06/27/2024 03:11 am »
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‘What if a cruise ship got in the way?’ Rocket wrapped in red tape

Gilmour Space Technologies, a Gold Coast start-up that designs and builds rockets to carry satellites into orbit, had planned to test-launch its first rocket in early April.  But the launch has been bogged down in regulatory paperwork, and might not take place for another six or eight weeks, said CEO and co-founder Adam Gilmour.

Speaking at The Australian Financial Review Entrepreneur Summit, Mr Gilmour said the Australian Space Agency had never had to manage such a launch before and kept asking questions “you wouldn’t believe”. “Like, what if a cruise ship comes out of Hawaii and goes in the path of the rocket as it’s going up [from the North Queensland coast]? And how are we not going to hit the International Space Station?” he said.
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“We’re not expecting it will go to orbit. But anything in the zip code for 30, 40 seconds will give us a lot of data,” Mr Gilmour said.

“We have 400 sensors on the rocket and five different cameras. And so if we can get 30, 40 seconds of flight, we would have validated our guidance, navigation and control, all our launch procedures, and the rocket engines will have to be burning in sync with each other.

“That would give us confidence that on the next launch, we will get to orbit.”
[Jun 25]

https://www.afr.com/technology/what-if-a-cruise-ship-got-in-the-way-rocket-wrapped-in-red-tape-20240625-p5joge

I'm not quite sure why he thought it would be easy or quick to get permits given the well-documented experiences of SL and ELA (especially if they say they'd be happy with only 30-40 seconds of flight which presumably would dump it somewhere near the Outer Reef!) - but I'm glad to hear they haven't given up, since each day of delay must be costing them and their backers a small fortune.


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The criticism comes despite Gilmour receiving millions in grants, including $52 million from the federal government to lead a space manufacturing network in Australia.
https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/industry/6250-space-agency-worried-our-rocket-could-hit-a-ship-says-gilmour
 
« Last Edit: 06/27/2024 06:10 pm by zubenelgenubi »
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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‘What if a cruise ship got in the way?’ Rocket wrapped in red tape

Gilmour Space Technologies, a Gold Coast start-up that designs and builds rockets to carry satellites into orbit, had planned to test-launch its first rocket in early April.  But the launch has been bogged down in regulatory paperwork, and might not take place for another six or eight weeks, said CEO and co-founder Adam Gilmour.

Speaking at The Australian Financial Review Entrepreneur Summit, Mr Gilmour said the Australian Space Agency had never had to manage such a launch before and kept asking questions “you wouldn’t believe”. “Like, what if a cruise ship comes out of Hawaii and goes in the path of the rocket as it’s going up [from the North Queensland coast]? And how are we not going to hit the International Space Station?” he said.
..........

“We’re not expecting it will go to orbit. But anything in the zip code for 30, 40 seconds will give us a lot of data,” Mr Gilmour said.

“We have 400 sensors on the rocket and five different cameras. And so if we can get 30, 40 seconds of flight, we would have validated our guidance, navigation and control, all our launch procedures, and the rocket engines will have to be burning in sync with each other.

“That would give us confidence that on the next launch, we will get to orbit.”

https://www.afr.com/technology/what-if-a-cruise-ship-got-in-the-way-rocket-wrapped-in-red-tape-20240625-p5joge

I'm not quite sure why he thought it would be easy or quick to get permits given the well-documented experiences of SL and ELA (especially if they say they'd be happy with only 30-40 seconds of flight which presumably would dump it somewhere near the Outer Reef!) - but I'm glad to hear they haven't given up, since each day of delay must be costing them and their backers a small fortune.


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The criticism comes despite Gilmour receiving millions in grants, including $52 million from the federal government to lead a space manufacturing network in Australia.
https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/industry/6250-space-agency-worried-our-rocket-could-hit-a-ship-says-gilmour

“Like, what if a cruise ship comes out of Hawaii and goes in the path of the rocket as it’s going up [from the North Queensland coast]? And how are we not going to hit the International Space Station?” he said.
Seems like knowing anything about space or basic orbital dynamics isn't requirement to work for ASA.

 Gilmour isn't first new space company to underestimate bureauracy.
Space maybe hard but its got nothing on bureauracy.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #28 on: 06/28/2024 12:52 am »
“Like, what if a cruise ship comes out of Hawaii and goes in the path of the rocket as it’s going up [from the North Queensland coast]? And how are we not going to hit the International Space Station?” he said.
Seems like knowing anything about space or basic orbital dynamics isn't requirement to work for ASA.

 Gilmour isn't first new space company to underestimate bureauracy.
Space maybe hard but its got nothing on bureauracy.

Like you said, they're a bureaucracy.  Some of the conversations I've heard between some of ASA's designated overlords and the Southern Launch folks during their recent launch campaign would make your eyes water!

They have some perfectly valid concerns about the proposed launch profiles from Bowen Spaceport (coal terminal, roads, reef and shipping to name but a few) but ASA's fundamental lack of knowledge on all things space launch is rather embarrassing for us as a country, unfortunately.   :'(
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #29 on: 06/28/2024 03:38 pm »
Remember, they're a department of public servants. If a member of the public asks "how are you sure the rocket won't hit a cruise ship?", you can have an answer of "Uh, I dunno, it's probably fine, I guess?", "that's a dumb question" or "the probability has been calculated from trajectory modelling and range safety criteria to be well below our requirements for public safety as recorded in [relevant doc] prior to and as a condition of issuing a launch license, with hazard areas communicated to mariners beforehand and range safety monitoring for violations of those areas". Two are a public embarrassment, one probably loses you your job, and one is just doing the job  they're meant to be doing.


Since "launch was scrubbed because the rocket might have hit a cruise ship" is literally an event that occurred only 2 years ago (COSMO-SkyMed FM2), that's well within the range of reasonable considerations. "Don't hit the ISS" AKA Launch Collision Avoidance Analysis is also exactly the sort of thing that needs to be done. "The rocket can't even get to that altitude" is a reasonable collision avoidance strategy, but that's not always going to be the case even for suborbital launches (as seen with North Korean extremely lofted suborbital launches).

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #30 on: 07/01/2024 12:41 am »
The only thing that is surprises me here is that GIlmour didn't anticipate this development. In the context of a new vehicle, the conventional wisdom is equal thirds in terms of effort. So that's 1/3 vehicle, 1/3 launch infra/GSE, 1/3 regulatory/paperwork.
They have a completely untested rocket, they should expect to answer a mountain of questions around it before being allowed to press the button.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #31 on: 07/01/2024 01:41 am »
Actually, there's another thing that surprises me here. And that's the fact that Adam Gilmour saw it reasonable to give the ASA a spray publicly whilst still waiting for launch approval. I find this even harder to wrap my head around this when taking into account the fact that GIlmour has never once launched a rocket successfully (other than than commercial hobby hybrid they lawn darted all those years ago).

But they're going to get up on their high horse and look down at ASA for having to answer questions whilst simultaneously having NO track record whatsoever in terms of launching rockets? Gotta be honest here, I'm kinda looking forward to this shell game coming to an end given this baseless entitlement.
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