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Ladies and gentlemen we have a licence for launch.

Launch and discussion thread for the first launch of Eris from Bowen Orbital Spaceport, on Australia's Gold Coast.

https://twitter.com/7NewsGoldCoast/status/1764903034264666399
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A Helensvale business has taken one giant leap forward in their race to reach space. 'Gilmour Space's' Bowen Spaceport has been granted an orbital launch licence by the Federal Government. http://7NEWS.com.au #7NEWS

https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7504

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #1 on: 03/06/2024 11:34 pm »
I could be wrong, but this seems to be an Orbital launch license for the Bowen Spaceport, and not in any way related to the Eris 1 test flight license?

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I could be wrong, but this seems to be an Orbital launch license for the Bowen Spaceport, and not in any way related to the Eris 1 test flight license?
i guess i was wrong

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https://twitter.com/gilmourspace/status/1778627976571322743

Seems like there are serious about this thing. IIRC, this will be the second orbital launch attempt from Down Under.

Can't wait to see this her fly!
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History is made by those who show up. Go Gilmour!  8)
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IIRC, this will be the second orbital launch attempt from Down Under.
From my understanding one of Black Arrow attempts at orbit failed, so I think this would be the third attempt at orbit from Australia.
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I hope to go and see this one..  not far down the road from me.
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I hope to go and see this one..  not far down the road from me.

Me too, but I think I’m a bit further away.
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IIRC, this will be the second orbital launch attempt from Down Under.
From my understanding one of Black Arrow attempts at orbit failed, so I think this would be the third attempt at orbit from Australia.

Before the launch of Prospero onboard Black Arrow, WRESAT was launched into orbit on the Redstone-derived 'Sparta' rocket, meaning that the first launch of Eris will be the 4th orbital launch attempt from Australia. If only the Kistler K-1 had entered operation - orbital rockets could have started launching from Australia years ago.
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I hope to go and see this one..  not far down the road from me.

Me too, but I think I’m a bit further away.

Sounds like we got some potential photographers here :-)

I would love to visit, but the road trip is a tad far from Brissy.
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https://twitter.com/gilmourspace/status/1778659953135460358

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We will share more info on safe viewing areas closer to launch for those in the area, but tbh we aren't encouraging ppl to come watch this first launch attempt. 🙏
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This will be seventh orbital attempt from Australia. There were six previous attempts, four of which failed. This will be the first attempt by an Australian rocket.

 29 Nov 1967  Redstone Sparta    WRESAT
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* 2 Jul 1969  Europa-1 F-8       STV 2
*12 Jun 1970  Europa-1 F-9       STV 3
* 2 Sep 1970  Black Arrow R-2    Orba (X 2)
 28 Oct 1971  Black Arrow R-3    Prospero (X 3)
* Launch Failure
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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #12 on: 04/23/2024 07:08 am »
A launch date which never has been published slips to some other unknown date:

https://twitter.com/GilmourSpace/status/1782557511444541931
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Pls note date change for #Testflight1, pending Space Agency approval and 30 day mandatory notification period. Stay tuned!

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"Please note our May 4 target date is no longer possible as we await the launch permit...Stay tuned for updates!"

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #13 on: 04/23/2024 05:24 pm »
A launch date which never has been published slips to some other unknown date:

Look up-thread, please:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=60477.msg2584991#msg2584991

https://twitter.com/gilmourspace/status/1778627976571322743
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It's International Day of Human Spaceflight, and we're taking our 1st steps to (one day!) sending Aussie-nauts to space, from Australia.👩🏽‍🚀👨‍🚀🚀🇦🇺

#ErisTestFlight1 is targeting to launch NET May 4, subject to launch permit approvals.

#AustralianMade #AustralianOwned #CountrytoSky

Published the date was ;)

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #14 on: 05/07/2024 12:10 am »
Being curious to know how they're getting on, I notice Gilmour have provided an FAQ on their Missions page, providing the following details about their planned launch from Bowen Orbital Spaceport:
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Gilmour Space Technologies' Eris orbital launch vehicle is the first Australian-made rocket capable of launching satellites into orbit. Given that only 12 nations in the world have the capability of launching its own rockets to orbit, this is a significant achievement for Australia.

Our Eris rocket uses a proprietary hybrid-propellant technology that is safer and cheaper and traditional liquid- and solid-fuelled rockets. If successful, it could be the first hybrid-propelled rocket in the world to achieve orbit.

Eris's maiden launch, called TestFlight1, will be from Australia's first licensed orbital spaceport. Built and operated by Gilmour Space in north QLD, the Bowen Orbital Spaceport was recently granted the country's first launch facility licence to launch rockets and satellites to orbit.

This mission is to flight test the entire vehicle - from our new hybrid propulsion engines, rocket design and structures, software, avionics and GNC systems... to the ground support systems and infrastructure we developed at BOS. It will also carry a test payload for our new micro-satellite bus, which we hope to deploy into a Low Earth Orbit. Our team will use the data collected to improve the reliability and performance of the Eris rocket for future commercial launches.

Plus a few more in the Safety Zones doc attached.
 
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #15 on: 05/09/2024 05:32 am »
Interesting that in the FAQ they state that the only road closure is Abbott Point Road. I could be wrong, but it appears that the Bruce Highway is 4-5km from the pad. Isn't that a bit close?
Anecdotally at Cape Kennedy NASA keeps people 5.5-6 miles away. The Wallops Island launch viewing area is 7 miles from the pad.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #16 on: 05/11/2024 09:36 am »
Interesting that in the FAQ they state that the only road closure is Abbott Point Road. I could be wrong, but it appears that the Bruce Highway is 4-5km from the pad. Isn't that a bit close?
Anecdotally at Cape Kennedy NASA keeps people 5.5-6 miles away. The Wallops Island launch viewing area is 7 miles from the pad.

They are a small launch, their rocket don’t have anywhere as much fuel to explode.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #17 on: 05/13/2024 02:04 am »
Interesting that in the FAQ they state that the only road closure is Abbott Point Road. I could be wrong, but it appears that the Bruce Highway is 4-5km from the pad. Isn't that a bit close?
Anecdotally at Cape Kennedy NASA keeps people 5.5-6 miles away. The Wallops Island launch viewing area is 7 miles from the pad.

They are a small launch, their rocket don’t have anywhere as much fuel to explode.

Sure.. but the sight of a rocket launch (or otherwise) over a major highway could be enough of a distraction to cause an accident I'd reckon.  Far better to stop the vehicles so they can safely watch!  8)
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #18 on: 05/13/2024 02:32 am »
Interesting that in the FAQ they state that the only road closure is Abbott Point Road. I could be wrong, but it appears that the Bruce Highway is 4-5km from the pad. Isn't that a bit close?
Anecdotally at Cape Kennedy NASA keeps people 5.5-6 miles away. The Wallops Island launch viewing area is 7 miles from the pad.

They are a small launch, their rocket don’t have anywhere as much fuel to explode.

Sure.. but the sight of a rocket launch (or otherwise) over a major highway could be enough of a distraction to cause an accident I'd reckon.  Far better to stop the vehicles so they can safely watch!  8)

Their rocket is larger than Electron, both in terms of size and mass. As mentioned, Electron flies out of Wallops and the viewing area is 7 miles away, and the launch site is nowhere near a heavily used road like the Bruce Highway.
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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #19 on: 05/14/2024 03:20 am »
I wish them well.. Really I do.  8)
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #20 on: 05/28/2024 08:45 am »
Launch delayed to no earlier than mid July.

https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/launch/6223-gilmour-launch-on-hold-as-wait-continues-for-permit

Gilmour launch on hold as wait continues for permit
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Gilmour now believes the first launch of its Eris rocket is unlikely to take place before mid-July.
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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #21 on: 05/28/2024 08:53 am »
Here's the mission page for the first flight. Unfortunately, there won't be a livestream. Attached are some images from the page.

https://www.gspace.com/missions
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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #22 on: 05/29/2024 11:01 pm »
Launch delayed to no earlier than mid July.

https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/launch/6223-gilmour-launch-on-hold-as-wait-continues-for-permit

Gilmour launch on hold as wait continues for permit
Adam Thorn
27 May 2024

Gilmour now believes the first launch of its Eris rocket is unlikely to take place before mid-July.

Interesting that the rocket pictured that article looks nothing like the Eris rocket in their launch site pics.. What gives?

With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #23 on: 05/29/2024 11:05 pm »
Launch delayed to no earlier than mid July.

https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/launch/6223-gilmour-launch-on-hold-as-wait-continues-for-permit

Gilmour launch on hold as wait continues for permit
Adam Thorn
27 May 2024

Gilmour now believes the first launch of its Eris rocket is unlikely to take place before mid-July.

Interesting that the rocket pictured that article looks nothing like the Eris rocket in their launch site pics.. What gives?

The bulge around the second stage reminds me of external thermal insulation you sometimes see, the type that's meant to break away upon launch. I think without that, the rocket would look the same as the version on the website, just the wrong color.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #24 on: 06/14/2024 07:31 am »
A few more photos of Eris on the pad

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #25 on: 06/14/2024 12:15 pm »
Launch delayed to no earlier than mid July.

https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/launch/6223-gilmour-launch-on-hold-as-wait-continues-for-permit

Gilmour launch on hold as wait continues for permit
Adam Thorn
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Gilmour now believes the first launch of its Eris rocket is unlikely to take place before mid-July.

Interesting that the rocket pictured that article looks nothing like the Eris rocket in their launch site pics.. What gives?

It’s a different rocket. The one in the photo is way smaller with a diameter around half a meter and a length of about 5 meters. It seems to be their one vision sounding rocket: https://www.gspace.com/post/one-vision-statement.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #26 on: 06/27/2024 03:11 am »
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‘What if a cruise ship got in the way?’ Rocket wrapped in red tape

Gilmour Space Technologies, a Gold Coast start-up that designs and builds rockets to carry satellites into orbit, had planned to test-launch its first rocket in early April.  But the launch has been bogged down in regulatory paperwork, and might not take place for another six or eight weeks, said CEO and co-founder Adam Gilmour.

Speaking at The Australian Financial Review Entrepreneur Summit, Mr Gilmour said the Australian Space Agency had never had to manage such a launch before and kept asking questions “you wouldn’t believe”. “Like, what if a cruise ship comes out of Hawaii and goes in the path of the rocket as it’s going up [from the North Queensland coast]? And how are we not going to hit the International Space Station?” he said.
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“We’re not expecting it will go to orbit. But anything in the zip code for 30, 40 seconds will give us a lot of data,” Mr Gilmour said.

“We have 400 sensors on the rocket and five different cameras. And so if we can get 30, 40 seconds of flight, we would have validated our guidance, navigation and control, all our launch procedures, and the rocket engines will have to be burning in sync with each other.

“That would give us confidence that on the next launch, we will get to orbit.”
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https://www.afr.com/technology/what-if-a-cruise-ship-got-in-the-way-rocket-wrapped-in-red-tape-20240625-p5joge

I'm not quite sure why he thought it would be easy or quick to get permits given the well-documented experiences of SL and ELA (especially if they say they'd be happy with only 30-40 seconds of flight which presumably would dump it somewhere near the Outer Reef!) - but I'm glad to hear they haven't given up, since each day of delay must be costing them and their backers a small fortune.


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The criticism comes despite Gilmour receiving millions in grants, including $52 million from the federal government to lead a space manufacturing network in Australia.
https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/industry/6250-space-agency-worried-our-rocket-could-hit-a-ship-says-gilmour
 
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With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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‘What if a cruise ship got in the way?’ Rocket wrapped in red tape

Gilmour Space Technologies, a Gold Coast start-up that designs and builds rockets to carry satellites into orbit, had planned to test-launch its first rocket in early April.  But the launch has been bogged down in regulatory paperwork, and might not take place for another six or eight weeks, said CEO and co-founder Adam Gilmour.

Speaking at The Australian Financial Review Entrepreneur Summit, Mr Gilmour said the Australian Space Agency had never had to manage such a launch before and kept asking questions “you wouldn’t believe”. “Like, what if a cruise ship comes out of Hawaii and goes in the path of the rocket as it’s going up [from the North Queensland coast]? And how are we not going to hit the International Space Station?” he said.
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“We’re not expecting it will go to orbit. But anything in the zip code for 30, 40 seconds will give us a lot of data,” Mr Gilmour said.

“We have 400 sensors on the rocket and five different cameras. And so if we can get 30, 40 seconds of flight, we would have validated our guidance, navigation and control, all our launch procedures, and the rocket engines will have to be burning in sync with each other.

“That would give us confidence that on the next launch, we will get to orbit.”

https://www.afr.com/technology/what-if-a-cruise-ship-got-in-the-way-rocket-wrapped-in-red-tape-20240625-p5joge

I'm not quite sure why he thought it would be easy or quick to get permits given the well-documented experiences of SL and ELA (especially if they say they'd be happy with only 30-40 seconds of flight which presumably would dump it somewhere near the Outer Reef!) - but I'm glad to hear they haven't given up, since each day of delay must be costing them and their backers a small fortune.


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The criticism comes despite Gilmour receiving millions in grants, including $52 million from the federal government to lead a space manufacturing network in Australia.
https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/industry/6250-space-agency-worried-our-rocket-could-hit-a-ship-says-gilmour

“Like, what if a cruise ship comes out of Hawaii and goes in the path of the rocket as it’s going up [from the North Queensland coast]? And how are we not going to hit the International Space Station?” he said.
Seems like knowing anything about space or basic orbital dynamics isn't requirement to work for ASA.

 Gilmour isn't first new space company to underestimate bureauracy.
Space maybe hard but its got nothing on bureauracy.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #28 on: 06/28/2024 12:52 am »
“Like, what if a cruise ship comes out of Hawaii and goes in the path of the rocket as it’s going up [from the North Queensland coast]? And how are we not going to hit the International Space Station?” he said.
Seems like knowing anything about space or basic orbital dynamics isn't requirement to work for ASA.

 Gilmour isn't first new space company to underestimate bureauracy.
Space maybe hard but its got nothing on bureauracy.

Like you said, they're a bureaucracy.  Some of the conversations I've heard between some of ASA's designated overlords and the Southern Launch folks during their recent launch campaign would make your eyes water!

They have some perfectly valid concerns about the proposed launch profiles from Bowen Spaceport (coal terminal, roads, reef and shipping to name but a few) but ASA's fundamental lack of knowledge on all things space launch is rather embarrassing for us as a country, unfortunately.   :'(
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #29 on: 06/28/2024 03:38 pm »
Remember, they're a department of public servants. If a member of the public asks "how are you sure the rocket won't hit a cruise ship?", you can have an answer of "Uh, I dunno, it's probably fine, I guess?", "that's a dumb question" or "the probability has been calculated from trajectory modelling and range safety criteria to be well below our requirements for public safety as recorded in [relevant doc] prior to and as a condition of issuing a launch license, with hazard areas communicated to mariners beforehand and range safety monitoring for violations of those areas". Two are a public embarrassment, one probably loses you your job, and one is just doing the job  they're meant to be doing.


Since "launch was scrubbed because the rocket might have hit a cruise ship" is literally an event that occurred only 2 years ago (COSMO-SkyMed FM2), that's well within the range of reasonable considerations. "Don't hit the ISS" AKA Launch Collision Avoidance Analysis is also exactly the sort of thing that needs to be done. "The rocket can't even get to that altitude" is a reasonable collision avoidance strategy, but that's not always going to be the case even for suborbital launches (as seen with North Korean extremely lofted suborbital launches).

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #30 on: 07/01/2024 12:41 am »
The only thing that is surprises me here is that GIlmour didn't anticipate this development. In the context of a new vehicle, the conventional wisdom is equal thirds in terms of effort. So that's 1/3 vehicle, 1/3 launch infra/GSE, 1/3 regulatory/paperwork.
They have a completely untested rocket, they should expect to answer a mountain of questions around it before being allowed to press the button.

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Re: Gilmour Space Eris flight 1 : Bowen Spaceport : 2024
« Reply #31 on: 07/01/2024 01:41 am »
Actually, there's another thing that surprises me here. And that's the fact that Adam Gilmour saw it reasonable to give the ASA a spray publicly whilst still waiting for launch approval. I find this even harder to wrap my head around this when taking into account the fact that GIlmour has never once launched a rocket successfully (other than than commercial hobby hybrid they lawn darted all those years ago).

But they're going to get up on their high horse and look down at ASA for having to answer questions whilst simultaneously having NO track record whatsoever in terms of launching rockets? Gotta be honest here, I'm kinda looking forward to this shell game coming to an end given this baseless entitlement.
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