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Jessica Rye - launch PAO for STS-117?
by
shuttlepilot
on 08 Jan, 2007 14:50
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Text from CBS News Space Place (
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/current.html):
Mission Personnel
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* Launch Control
Launch director: Mike Leinbach
NTD: Steve Payne
OTC: Theresa Annulis
PAO: Jessica Rye
Can anyone confirm that? Thanks.
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#1
by
nathan.moeller
on 08 Jan, 2007 14:53
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Keep in mind some of these can change in the weeks and days leading up to launch (namely the PAO). They didn't list Buckingham on the CBS list until a few days before launch if I remember correctly. It said "TBD" for a while. Thanks for posting that though. I've never heard of her. Which past launches has she covered?
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#2
by
shuttlepilot
on 08 Jan, 2007 15:16
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#3
by
Jackson
on 08 Jan, 2007 15:27
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Why a new thread for such boring and pointless news?
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#4
by
shuttlepilot
on 08 Jan, 2007 16:48
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Jessica Rye didn't comment any shuttle launch since 2001, so I think it's important news
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#5
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Jim
on 08 Jan, 2007 17:06
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Huh? Launch commentator assignment is news? No way. That is meaningless and boarding on "groupieism" There is no substance here.
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#6
by
psloss
on 08 Jan, 2007 17:32
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#7
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nathan.moeller
on 08 Jan, 2007 17:45
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Can't say I disagree actually. Probably a good idea to have this thread either deleted or (at least) moved to the general discussion thread.
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#8
by
Rocket Guy
on 08 Jan, 2007 18:47
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The only liftoff Rye has done is Deep Impact. Lisa Malone was one of the three primary announcers, with Diller and Bruce, from 1989 until 2001.
The CBS page had Bruce for 116 for months.
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#9
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chksix
on 08 Jan, 2007 18:50
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I think "groupie" threads are good. It's always the astronauts that get all the limelight, why not share some info about the people behind the scenes?
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#10
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Jim
on 08 Jan, 2007 19:45
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PAO is not behind the scenes, just a figurehead much like the astronauts
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#11
by
shuttlepilot
on 08 Jan, 2007 20:54
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nathan.moeller - 8/1/2007 9:28 PM
If you were around for the STS-114 launch campaign events, Ms. Rye did some countdown commentary there, too
She covered STS-114 tanking, am I right?
Ok, so if launch commentator assignment isn't important news for mission - please move posts from that thread to another thread. But which - I don't know.
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#12
by
Roci Stone
on 08 Jan, 2007 22:47
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These folks are the public voice of NASA. I think it speaks (Literally) to an important issue, especially when NASA is having image problems in so many important ways and places. While the people at PAO are all good folks, I do think that there is a matter of ease of articulation when it comes to important technical information, as well as the ability to inspire a certain amount of both excitement and confidence during in-flight commentaries. PAO has problems over-talking the A/G at times, and being too sparing with technical information in favor of light and chatty banter. Knowing when to speak and when to keep quiet is a learned skill. As is knowing what to say when you do speak. In this way, it is a great deal like commercial radio on AM and FM these days.
I believe we have every right to address these topics, and they have nothing whatsoever to do with being any sort of "groupie." I protest that word, simply because it suggests we are some herd of over heated teeny-boppers in a malt shoppe someplace ogling fan magazines. We're all way past that, if we were ever there at all.
Roci
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#13
by
MySDCUserID
on 08 Jan, 2007 22:50
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Wow, tough crowd!! I know I'm a short term poster, but I am a long time lurker, and I must say that I have noticed sometimes that the level of micromanaging gets a bit high in here. It may be more appropriate in the General Discussion section, but it certainly does not deserve deletion. Just MHO.
I support you ShuttlePilot
I found your post to be an interesting tidbit. Also, to add to the comment about the astronauts receiving all of the attention... the PAO seems to receive quite a bit of negative comments. It is nice to hear about the individuals in the PAO. They really are the (official) window into NASA. It is especially nice to hear about the non-engineers that also contribute to the space program. The importantance of non-engineers is, unfortunately, either overlooked or looked at as negative.
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#14
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Chris Bergin
on 08 Jan, 2007 23:09
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MySDCUserID - 8/1/2007 11:33 PM
The PAO seems to receive quite a bit of negative comments.
Unfortunatly it's deserved. I don't know why, but if you compare NASA PAO with Boeing Space PAO and they are world's apart.
This is not a mission element as far as I'm concerned, but given some people are interested, it warrants staying on this section.
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#15
by
MySDCUserID
on 08 Jan, 2007 23:27
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Why is it so deserved? I mean, why do we think that it is so hard to get information out of the PAO? How many people work in the PAO office? I'm sure they get a ton of requests for information on a daily basis. It would probably be a quite a chore to try and satisfy everybody.
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#16
by
spaceshuttle
on 09 Jan, 2007 00:43
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#17
by
shuttlepilot
on 14 Feb, 2007 14:37
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#18
by
Justin Space
on 14 Feb, 2007 15:01
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Can we lock this thread, as it's totally pointless information.
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#19
by
landofgrey
on 15 Feb, 2007 03:23
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Ouch, tough crowd. I'm going to violate my own rule against calling people down, so please forgive me, and my essentially useless posting. But I thought this forum was for people to discuss any of the various aspects of 117, whether it be miniscule nuts and bolts or not. Altough I agree it's not really a mission element (Jessica might disagree) What's relevant to one person may not be to someone else, and vice-versa, but that doesn't make anything, by definition, blanket pointless. I didn't see any restrictions. If there's a thread I'm not interested in, I don't read it; I'm not under obligation to read. The one thread I definitely don't like is one filled with angry and offended replies when there's really nothing to be angry or offended about. That's just a sure way to drive people away, contributors who might have something to say that you do think is relevant, and kill a forum. I've seen way too many good bulletin boards die because too many people thought they were too important and drove everyone else and the life right out.
Personally, I think it's interesting that Jessica is going to do launch PAO. I like her and she's decent to work with during missions so I'm waiting to see how she does.
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#20
by
chksix
on 15 Feb, 2007 08:21
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I agree, Landofgrey.
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#21
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Chris Bergin
on 15 Feb, 2007 11:43
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Anyway, everyone's had a say and questions answered, so this can be locked now anyway.
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#22
by
Chris Bergin
on 08 Mar, 2007 02:06
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However...........PAO news:
Jessica's left NASA PAO...moved to ULA.
Bruce Buckingham has also gone. Doing some other role at HQ now.
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#23
by
nathan.moeller
on 08 Mar, 2007 04:01
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Chris Bergin - 7/3/2007 9:06 PM
However...........PAO news:
Jessica's left NASA PAO...moved to ULA.
Bruce Buckingham has also gone. Doing some other role at HQ now.
Does anyone know who her replacement will be? Hopefully Diller
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#24
by
shuttlefan
on 08 Mar, 2007 12:34
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nathan.moeller - 7/3/2007 11:01 PM
Chris Bergin - 7/3/2007 9:06 PM
However...........PAO news:
Jessica's left NASA PAO...moved to ULA.
Bruce Buckingham has also gone. Doing some other role at HQ now.
Does anyone know who her replacement will be? Hopefully Diller
I would think probably Diller, Nathan, but I'll check into it.
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#25
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Chris Bergin
on 08 Mar, 2007 12:48
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It's not important, but Rob Navis would be great. He did the last Hubble SM with Columbia, during ascent (and it's a good one).
Again, it's not important
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#26
by
TNCMAXQ
on 08 Mar, 2007 13:09
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If Ms Rye had been the KSC PAO for the next launch it would have been the first time in years we had heard a new voice. I wonder if others will be joining the "rotation" for future launches. It would be unusual for just one announcer to do all of them. Though I remember Hugh Harris did STS 1 through 7 straight. I am disappointed Bruce Buckingham is no longer with PAO. He called several launches I attended. Same with Lisa Malone. Did I hear she is also in another job now?
Btw, anyone remember some of those guys from the 1980s and 90s, like Mark Hess, Rocky Raab, Jim Ball, and Mitch Varnes?
Mark Hess's voice stands out since he was the announcer for the first launch I ever saw, 41-D, way back in 1984. So the voice of launch control is an interesting topic for discussion, IMHO.
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#27
by
shuttlepilot
on 08 Mar, 2007 13:50
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TNCMAXQ - 8/3/2007 3:09 PM
I am disappointed Bruce Buckingham is no longer with PAO.
I'm disappointed too. I think he's the best commentator since 1991 when he first time covered shuttle launch.
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#28
by
shuttlefan
on 08 Mar, 2007 13:52
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shuttlepilot - 8/3/2007 8:50 AM
TNCMAXQ - 8/3/2007 3:09 PM
I am disappointed Bruce Buckingham is no longer with PAO.
I'm disappointed too. I think he's the best commentator since 1991 when he first time covered shuttle launch.
I believe PAO folks from Houston come down to KSC for every launch and help out with KSC PAO. Is it possible that one of them would do launch commentary?
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#29
by
nathan.moeller
on 08 Mar, 2007 14:00
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shuttlefan - 8/3/2007 8:52 AM
shuttlepilot - 8/3/2007 8:50 AM
TNCMAXQ - 8/3/2007 3:09 PM
I am disappointed Bruce Buckingham is no longer with PAO.
I'm disappointed too. I think he's the best commentator since 1991 when he first time covered shuttle launch.
I believe PAO folks from Houston come down to KSC for every launch and help out with KSC PAO. Is it possible that one of them would do launch commentary?
Possible. Rob Navias is MCC PAO, not LCC. He's amazing with ascent commentary but I've never heard him do launch commentary. The only person I can think of that can fill Rye's spot now is George Diller. He makes the launches highly exciting
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#30
by
Space Shrew
on 08 Mar, 2007 17:15
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Sad to see Bruce leave KSC PAO he was a good commentator,
Geroge Diller i think will the STS 117 launch commentary now Jessica has left as well.
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#31
by
TNCMAXQ
on 08 Mar, 2007 19:16
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I think my favorite of all time though was Jack King, back in the Apollo days. He had a good authoritative voice while describing the pre launch events in clear detail. I had a chance to meet him at the Apollo 11 twentieth anniversary celebration in DC. Very nice man. I told him I had heard his voice countless times that week since all the media outlets were playing audio and video of the Apollo 11 launch. Hard to believe in just over 2 years we will be at the *40th* anniversary.
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#32
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on 09 Mar, 2007 01:20
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Does anyone know if the launch commentators already have planned what they are going to say during the launch. Especially during t minus 10 seconds and counting and through liftoff?
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#33
by
on 09 Mar, 2007 01:35
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George Diller did the 114 launch in 2005 and he was really good. I hope that he will replace Rye and be the commentator for STS-117. He is very detailed and gives lots of updates of things happening and especially the weather which is really important.
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#34
by
Austin
on 09 Mar, 2007 03:48
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Justin Wheat - 8/3/2007 6:35 PM
George Diller did the 114 launch in 2005 and he was really good. I hope that he will replace Rye and be the commentator for STS-117. He is very detailed and gives lots of updates of things happening and especially the weather which is really important.
Diller's good, but in my opinion, Hugh Harris was the best.
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#35
by
shuttlepilot
on 14 Mar, 2007 19:29
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Still no informations about replacement for Jessica Rye at nasa.gov and CBS space pages... Maybe they have some problems with this, or maybe they're not intrested in this not very important case
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#36
by
shuttlefan
on 14 Mar, 2007 22:24
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shuttlepilot - 14/3/2007 3:29 PM
Still no informations about replacement for Jessica Rye at nasa.gov and CBS space pages... Maybe they have some problems with this, or maybe they're not intrested in this not very important case
It really makes no difference to me who the PAO commentator is. A launch is a launch. :laugh:
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#37
by
shuttlepilot
on 15 Mar, 2007 12:09
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Yes, but launch is not very exciting when commentator isn't good
(Example of really bad commentator is George High from Boeing/ULA) Of course, Diller is very good, but it isn't confirmed that he will do commentary for this launch.
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#38
by
shuttlepilot
on 15 Mar, 2007 19:55
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Jessica removed from the launch team list at nasa.gov. Finaly
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#39
by
Shand
on 22 Mar, 2007 12:45
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I am a newcomer and was reading this thread on PAO commentators, I am actually doing research on this very subject. I am trying to identify the launch commentator for Apollo 13 and Apollo 16, two of which King did not do. Can anyone help?
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#40
by
nathan.moeller
on 22 Mar, 2007 12:56
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Austin - 8/3/2007 10:48 PM
Justin Wheat - 8/3/2007 6:35 PM
George Diller did the 114 launch in 2005 and he was really good. I hope that he will replace Rye and be the commentator for STS-117. He is very detailed and gives lots of updates of things happening and especially the weather which is really important.
Diller's good, but in my opinion, Hugh Harris was the best.
Agreed. Too bad I was too young to watch any launches with his commentaries when they were happening
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#41
by
TNCMAXQ
on 23 Mar, 2007 11:32
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Apollo 13, 16, 17, and all the Skylab launches were called by Charles (Chuck) Hollingshed, though I am not quite sure of that spelling. Sometimes the network commentators called him Chuck, other times Charles. I thought he had a good clear voice for that kind of work but he just didn't seem as good to me as Jack King. Maybe it was just because I was used to King's voice for the earlier Apollo launches.
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#42
by
Shand
on 23 Mar, 2007 14:13
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Thanks so much for info. Do you happen to know if there is a place that provides this kind of specific info? I have found transcripts of the launchs but they do not included names. It is a shame that the people who work behind the scenes and are not public figures do not receive much, if any, recognition for their efforts. After all who is it that gets the astronauts up there in the first place?
As for King being the best, when the first is great it is a hard act to follow no matter how good the person is.
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#43
by
Rocket Guy
on 23 Mar, 2007 15:04
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I think it's Hollinshead. And Paul Haney before King. Not sure about Mercury.
Gemini 3 Haney
Gemini 4-12 King
Apollo 4 King
6 King
7 King
8 King
9 King
10 King
11 King
12 King
13 Hollinshead
14 King
15 King
16 Hollinshead
17 Hollinshead
Skylab Hollinshead
S-1 Hollinshead
S-2 Hollinshead
S-3 Hollinshead
ASTP Hollinshead
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#44
by
on 02 Apr, 2007 01:33
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is there ever going to be a decision made on who the commentator will be for the sts-117 mission. they took jessica rye off the mission launch team on Nasa.gov so i was just wondering if a decision had been made on a commentator?
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#45
by
rdale
on 02 Apr, 2007 03:49
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Justin Wheat - 1/4/2007 9:33 PM
is there ever going to be a decision made on who the commentator will be for the sts-117 mission.
I think it's listed on L2
To answer your question - yes there will be a decision made prior to the launch. And given the history of this thread, if it's an attractive woman it will be posted here instantly.
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#46
by
mianbentley
on 02 Apr, 2007 03:55
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Justin Wheat - 7/3/2007 9:20 PM
Does anyone know if the launch commentators already have planned what they are going to say during the launch. Especially during t minus 10 seconds and counting and through liftoff?
They probably do, its probably tough to improvise commentary for something as dynamic as a shuttle launch...
I like the times when the commentators get excited and basically yell into the microphone...
51I Hugh Harris
60 Lisa
51 Diller (The best launch commentary, in my opinion)
but we'll see
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#47
by
nathan.moeller
on 02 Apr, 2007 12:44
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mianbentley - 1/4/2007 10:55 PM
Justin Wheat - 7/3/2007 9:20 PM
Does anyone know if the launch commentators already have planned what they are going to say during the launch. Especially during t minus 10 seconds and counting and through liftoff?
They probably do, its probably tough to improvise commentary for something as dynamic as a shuttle launch...
I like the times when the commentators get excited and basically yell into the microphone...
51I Hugh Harris
60 Lisa
51 Diller (The best launch commentary, in my opinion)
but we'll see
Don't forget 114 Diller
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#48
by
psloss
on 02 Apr, 2007 12:55
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mianbentley - 1/4/2007 11:55 PM
51 Diller (The best launch commentary, in my opinion)
I'd guess that part of the reason that Diller was more excited for that liftoff is that they'd had a series of
cutoffs and delays that stretched over about two months; that vehicle got cutoff twice inside of auto-sequence start.
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#49
by
shuttlefan
on 02 Apr, 2007 13:47
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Do the commentators have to do alot of 'homework' before a launch in terms of rehearsing their words and do they script alot of their commentary ahead of time (what they can, because we all know a countdown is very dynamic. :cool:
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#50
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nathan.moeller
on 02 Apr, 2007 14:56
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I am unable to open the STS-51 file. Any ideas?
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#51
by
shuttlepilot
on 02 Apr, 2007 16:03
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I opened it using Media Player Classic. Good and probably rare video, by the way
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#52
by
kimmern123
on 02 Apr, 2007 16:25
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In my opinion, Bruce Buckingham sounded quite excited for the STS-121 launch. It was the first launch I followed live on NASA-TV so I was quite excited myself.
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#53
by
shuttlepilot
on 02 Apr, 2007 16:38
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I would say Buckingham was 50% excited when he commented STS-121 launch
I think that Buckingham was better commentator than Diller, but watching shuttle launch with Diller's commentary is much more exciting that with Bruce's
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#54
by
Space Shrew
on 02 Apr, 2007 17:46
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What about STS 26, Hugh and the launch team
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#55
by
nathan.moeller
on 02 Apr, 2007 19:28
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Got the 51 file to work with Quicktime Player. That's great! His voice quivered from the excitement! I'm so glad he did the STS-114 launch. My dad and I just about wet ourselves from the excitement during the final four minutes of the countdown and the liftoff. I had never watched a shuttle launch before (with the exception of STS-95 in 1998, but I was only 10 and the other kids in the class wouldn't shut up for me to hear). Hope Diller sticks around for at least the rest of the program if not longer!
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#56
by
nathan.moeller
on 02 Apr, 2007 19:32
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Space Shrew - 2/4/2007 12:46 PM
What about STS 26, Hugh and the launch team
I actually found that video on YouTube earlier today. The cheers from the launch team were the loudest and greatest I've ever heard.
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#57
by
shuttlepilot
on 02 Apr, 2007 19:45
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Space Shrew - 2/4/2007 7:46 PM
What about STS 26, Hugh and the launch team
You're right, Harris was very excited.
And I think STS-26 commentary was greatest in 80s, but I haven't got a lot to say, because I'm too young to remember that launches, I know them only from videos.
STS-26 launch video -
http://www.netwrx1.net/rfischer/DIVX/STS-26/STS-26.Launch.edit.avi"...3, 2, 1, 0 and LIFTOFF! LIFTOFF, Americans return to space as Discovery clears the tower!" - Hugh Harris
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#58
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kimmern123
on 02 Apr, 2007 21:47
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Perhaps a little of topic, but as it was pointed out, Buckingham was about 50 % excited during the countdown to STS-121. Does anyone have a video of a launch where he was about 100%? And also does anyone have the final 5 minutes or so of the STS-114 countdown?
Thank you for your help.
Kim
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#59
by
TNCMAXQ
on 02 Apr, 2007 21:50
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I wonder if Hugh was a little nervous in the count leading up to the launch of 26 as I think he made a couple of errors, or left some sentences unfinished. In any case, I will never forget that day. I am pretty quiet usually but after 32 months of waiting after the 51L accident a lot of emotion had built up. I screamed "YES!! YES!!" at the TV. :laugh:
"Americans return to space as Discovery clears the tower!" You could tell he was excited and proud too. As were the network commentators. Gene Cernan was on ABC and said "go baby!" What a day.
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#60
by
nathan.moeller
on 02 Apr, 2007 23:02
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TNCMAXQ - 2/4/2007 4:50 PM
I wonder if Hugh was a little nervous in the count leading up to the launch of 26 as I think he made a couple of errors, or left some sentences unfinished. In any case, I will never forget that day. I am pretty quiet usually but after 32 months of waiting after the 51L accident a lot of emotion had built up. I screamed "YES!! YES!!" at the TV. :laugh:
"Americans return to space as Discovery clears the tower!" You could tell he was excited and proud too. As were the network commentators. Gene Cernan was on ABC and said "go baby!" What a day.
I was only one year, three months old when STS-26 launched so it would be a bit vague in my memory
But I remember STS-114 as if it were yesterday. I didn't scream at the TV (though I wanted to so badly...my brother was asleep), but after one year it was time to let out the excitement when STS-121 rolled around. My whole family was sitting in the living room watching and I was the only one who lept off the couch at booster ignition and let out a huge "YEEEAAHHH!!!" The same has been true with STS-115 and STS-116 (STS-116 being the most exciting of all). I woke up my roommate with STS-115 and scared him with STS-116 (at which point Gary was in the room cheering as well so that added to the scare factor)
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#61
by
shuttlepilot
on 03 Apr, 2007 12:10
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#62
by
spaceshuttle
on 03 Apr, 2007 17:04
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nathan.moeller - 2/4/2007 6:02 PM
TNCMAXQ - 2/4/2007 4:50 PM
I wonder if Hugh was a little nervous in the count leading up to the launch of 26 as I think he made a couple of errors, or left some sentences unfinished. In any case, I will never forget that day. I am pretty quiet usually but after 32 months of waiting after the 51L accident a lot of emotion had built up. I screamed "YES!! YES!!" at the TV. :laugh:
"Americans return to space as Discovery clears the tower!" You could tell he was excited and proud too. As were the network commentators. Gene Cernan was on ABC and said "go baby!" What a day.
I was only one year, three months old when STS-26 launched so it would be a bit vague in my memory But I remember STS-114 as if it were yesterday. I didn't scream at the TV (though I wanted to so badly...my brother was asleep), but after one year it was time to let out the excitement when STS-121 rolled around. My whole family was sitting in the living room watching and I was the only one who lept off the couch at booster ignition and let out a huge "YEEEAAHHH!!!" The same has been true with STS-115 and STS-116 (STS-116 being the most exciting of all). I woke up my roommate with STS-115 and scared him with STS-116 (at which point Gary was in the room cheering as well so that added to the scare factor)
I clapped for 114, but for some reason, I flipped my lid for 121...115, i was excited...and 116, I was glued to my computer staring at that night launch. Next on my agenda: seeing this summer's launch IN PERSON.
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#63
by
nathan.moeller
on 03 Apr, 2007 18:20
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spaceshuttle - 3/4/2007 12:04 PM
I clapped for 114, but for some reason, I flipped my lid for 121...115, i was excited...and 116, I was glued to my computer staring at that night launch. Next on my agenda: seeing this summer's launch IN PERSON.
That would be awesome! Yeah I think I was more in shock that 114 had actually launched so I didn't go nuts. But when 121 lifted off I couldn't contain myself (same with STS-115 and STS-116). I woke up my roommate when Atlantis launched on STS-115 (Saturday morning and he was still passed out from the night before). With STS-116, my friend Gary had come over to watch the liftoff with me. I had my dad on the phone 200 miles away while he was at a party and we were literally screaming at the TV as she launched and started the ascent. He said there was no doubt that she had launched because of all the 'commotion.'
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#64
by
STS-500Cmdr
on 03 Apr, 2007 22:14
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As i expected i teared up, wept watching 114--George Diller's excitement commentary and James Hartsfield's voice "Houstons now controlling Commander Eileen Collins confirming Discovery rolling onto course for rendezvous with the International Space Station" and the roar, crackle of those SRBs Hartsfield--the man who had to tell us "NASA has declared a contingency" last time we'd heard him I've always liked Hartsfield ever since hearing him on STS-61. STS-114 i got the idea theyd be too scared to ever launch
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#65
by
TNCMAXQ
on 05 Apr, 2007 18:48
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Adding to the drama of 26 I suppose was the word from Launch Control at around T-1 minute 40 seconds that the clock would hold at 31. I felt my emotions "deflate" like a balloon. All the tenseness just flowed out of me because I thought there surely would be a scrub. I hated the thought of going through all this, and taking more time off from work, on another day. Up to that point I don't think a launch had ever occurred if a hold at 31 seconds had occurred, or of course if the count was stopped after auto sequence start. The TV commentators all yammered on and on about what was wrong. When Hugh Harris finally said "we will NOT stop the clock," the TV talking heads still were going on and on about the glitch. Finally they realized there would be no hold. One guy (I forget on which network, because I kept changing channels,) said "apparently the problem has cleared itself." No kidding. When liftoff occurred at 11:37 AM ET I think the whole country was thrilled and relieved.
One reason perhaps that I did not feel quite the same emotion when 114 lifted off was that we knew the shuttle had a finite number of missions remaining. It was like the beginning of the end. With the first Return to Flight in 1988, we thought the program was practically limitless.
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#66
by
Jim
on 05 Apr, 2007 18:53
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I believe T-31 holds did occur before STS-26, I will look
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#67
by
psloss
on 05 Apr, 2007 19:19
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Jim - 5/4/2007 2:53 PM
I believe T-31 holds did occur before STS-26, I will look
I believe the first during a launch count occurred on STS-2. (There was also the one on STS-61C in early Jan. 1986, but both days ended in scrubs.)
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#68
by
TNCMAXQ
on 05 Apr, 2007 22:09
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Yes they did occur, but they were always followed by scrubs. That was why I assumed once they called a hold that there would be no launch that day. I'm glad that was not the case. I don't know for sure but I think this was also the first time it was announced there would be a hold that was then called off.
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#69
by
psloss
on 05 Apr, 2007 22:43
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TNCMAXQ - 5/4/2007 6:09 PM
Yes they did occur, but they were always followed by scrubs. That was why I assumed once they called a hold that there would be no launch that day. I'm glad that was not the case. I don't know for sure but I think this was also the first time it was announced there would be a hold that was then called off.
There was at least one prior to 51-L: during the last 51-I launch attempt, a pending hold at T-5 minutes was cleared. But even counting weather holds at T-5 minutes, there weren't that many instances where the clock was held at a GLS milestone during the first 25 flights. In almost all the cases (before and after 51-L) I can think of, where the clock was held at a GLS milestone inside of T-9 minutes, a cutoff and recycle didn't necessarily sound like a given, even if that ended being the outcome.
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#70
by
Endeavour118
on 06 Apr, 2007 15:39
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STS-500Cmdr - 3/4/2007 6:14 PM
As i expected i teared up, wept watching 114--George Diller's excitement commentary and James Hartsfield's voice "Houstons now controlling Commander Eileen Collins confirming Discovery rolling onto course for rendezvous with the International Space Station" and the roar, crackle of those SRBs Hartsfield--the man who had to tell us "NASA has declared a contingency" last time we'd heard him I've always liked Hartsfield ever since hearing him on STS-61. STS-114 i got the idea theyd be too scared to ever launch
Hartsfield Does Not Sound The same As He does on sts-61 On Sts-61 His Voice Was A little Slower But Now its Faster.
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#71
by
shuttlepilot
on 07 Apr, 2007 09:09
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STS-61 launch video for Hartsfield's (and Buckingham's) fans
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#72
by
shuttlefan
on 07 Apr, 2007 12:27
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Endeavour118 - 6/4/2007 10:39 AM
STS-500Cmdr - 3/4/2007 6:14 PM
As i expected i teared up, wept watching 114--George Diller's excitement commentary and James Hartsfield's voice "Houstons now controlling Commander Eileen Collins confirming Discovery rolling onto course for rendezvous with the International Space Station" and the roar, crackle of those SRBs Hartsfield--the man who had to tell us "NASA has declared a contingency" last time we'd heard him I've always liked Hartsfield ever since hearing him on STS-61. STS-114 i got the idea theyd be too scared to ever launch
Hartsfield Does Not Sound The same As He does on sts-61 On Sts-61 His Voice Was A little Slower But Now its Faster.
How you talk about James Hartsfield with STS-107 and 114--I remember Steve Nesbitt was commentator when 51-L destructed, and then again when Discovery launched on STS-26 on September 29 '88. He must have had tears in his eyes for STS-26. He's probably glad we couldn't see him on TV, although it's OK to shead tears. I do it easily also. :frown:
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#73
by
STS-500Cmdr
on 07 Apr, 2007 20:21
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Kyle Herring's voice has changed a bit over the years too
BTW in the STS-26 video you hear obviously Dan Rather and the other voice is Jeff Hoffman--great astronaut.
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#74
by
Chris Bergin
on 07 Apr, 2007 20:25
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STS-500Cmdr - 7/4/2007 9:21 PM
Kyle Herring's voice has changed a bit over the years too
*Bangs head against the nearest wall*
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#75
by
TNCMAXQ
on 08 Apr, 2007 00:28
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I remember Jeff Hoffman trying to conceal his excitement during the launch of STS-26. I guess he didn't think it would be right for him to yell and let out too much emotion on live TV.
Over on ABC though Gene Cernan and others weren't quite so subdued. I think that added to the excitement for me too. I don't even remember who the other on camera expert was who started at T-10 saying "come on engines, let's do it! Let's do it engines!" :laugh: At about the time roll program began, Gene Cernan let out a "goooo... baby!" I probably missed some of the commentary because of my own hooting, hollering, and practically choking back the tears of joy.
One time when they overdid it I think is when Peter Jennings was talking over NASA at the point where the capcom said "Discovery, go at throttle up!" This of course was a dramatic moment everyone talked about waiting to hear because it was the point at which Challenger had broken up. I was eager to hear Rick Hauck's response but Gene piped up with "they're through the area where the winds would have given them a problem," or words to that effect. He was speaking even as Hauck replied, but you could clearly hear Hauck's confident call of "ROGER GO!" anyway. He sounded so strong and sure of himself it made me feel better.
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#76
by
AstroRJY
on 10 Apr, 2007 07:52
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That is NOT Rye on the STS-105 link. That's Lisa Malone who has done shuttle launches since STS-29 in 1989. The rpess made a big story out of it whe she became the first female shuttle launch commentator back at that time. Rye has never actually done a shuttle launch before. She's done the tanking section between T- 6hours and T-3 hours on a couple of them and some Delta launches, but this would be her first actual shuttle launch. hopefully she's more impressive doing those than she has been so far. I really wish they'd retire George Diller. He drives me crazy listening to his hemming and hawing and soft spoken confusion on the air. Buckingham is allright. I really miss Hugh Harris, he was the best commentator.
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#77
by
AstroRJY
on 10 Apr, 2007 07:57
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They sometimes do allright during the actual liftoff but in the final minutes of the T-9 count sometimes they say dumnb things, get things confused or backwards or just leave long periods of dead silence when they should be saying more of all the many things going on. Often Buckingham and Diller won't say anything after T-1 minute or so almost unitl main engine start, and that drives me crazy.
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#78
by
AstroRJY
on 10 Apr, 2007 08:01
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Diller isn't that good anymore. He sounds like a confused old man. But an ironic note on that STS-51 launch, I saw it on CNN and John Holliman mentioned twice how excited the liftoff commentator sounded to have Discovery finally airborne after several scrubs. he said he virtually screamed " liftoff" Problem was.... Holliman said both times it was bruce Buckingham. It was Diller. Holliman often got his facts wrong.
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#79
by
AstroRJY
on 10 Apr, 2007 08:05
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I like Hartsfiled. He does a good job. Rob Navias yaps way too much with cheesy lines trying to sound like a news anchor and always has the same exact canned lines at the same point in every single launch. Hartsfield isn't bad. The best ever was Steve Nesbitt who as far as I can remember only did 1 launch in 1988 and then one in 1997, STS-86 and hasn't been heard from since. Wish he was back on the air.
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#80
by
AstroRJY
on 10 Apr, 2007 08:08
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I agrree about the begining of the end.. I think it is a terrible, bad decision and I hate the media dwelling on how there's only 4 years left... 3 years left... til 2010. I thnk they picked 2012 because it's a nice round number. We've finally figured out all the shuttle cpabilities nad fixed everythign that can go wrong and now they want to retrire it? doesn't make sense. bad decision programatically.
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#81
by
AstroRJY
on 10 Apr, 2007 08:11
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After STS-26 Nesbitt only did one more launch commentary and it wasn't until almost exactly 9 years later.. I don't know why. But he did STS-86 on 9/25/97 after years of not doing them..then disappeared again.
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#82
by
AstroRJY
on 10 Apr, 2007 15:53
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Mitch Varnes first one was STS-47 in 1992.
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#83
by
shuttlefan
on 10 Apr, 2007 17:07
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AstroRJY - 10/4/2007 3:08 AM
I agrree about the begining of the end.. I think it is a terrible, bad decision and I hate the media dwelling on how there's only 4 years left... 3 years left... til 2010. I thnk they picked 2012 because it's a nice round number. We've finally figured out all the shuttle cpabilities nad fixed everythign that can go wrong and now they want to retrire it? doesn't make sense. bad decision programatically.
I know what you're saying but it is the overall design of the Space Shuttle that makes it unsafe compared to other launch vehicles. Forget Alan Shepard and John Glenn's first flights. They had a viable escape system. The Shuttle crews take way more risks than they did. The shuttle-a fragile heatshield attached to something that sheds debris easily, solid rocket boosters that can't be turned off in flight. I know they've corrected both problems but there's always the potential for them to re-appear, especially the foam problem.
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#84
by
TNCMAXQ
on 11 Apr, 2007 00:25
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I remember Mitch doing a couple of them. I didn't think he was too good. Going even farther back there was Rocky Raab, who did 41G as I recall, and maybe a couple of others. Jim Ball also did some launches prior to 51L. He surprised me by doing some countdowns going from T-10 seconds all the way down to 0 without saying anything about main engine start. I think he was the only one who ever did that. It certainly was different from what we had been used to, and what we have heard since. He was PAO during the RSLS abort on 51F, when I was at KSC. That was another big disappointment. :angry:
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#85
by
Rocket Guy
on 11 Apr, 2007 00:33
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There's been a few countdowns where he/she didn't say anything about main engine start.
Astro...I think you missed the parts about Rye no longer working in NASA PAO, and that Bruce moved on to another job.
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#86
by
STS-500Cmdr
on 11 Apr, 2007 09:28
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I started getting into watching these things in about 1993-STS-51, 58, 61, etc. I know Mitch Varnes from STS-58 "uhh T-6 5 4 we have main engine start 3 2 1 BOOSTER IGNITION AND LIFTOFF of Columbia on a life sciences mission for Earth and Space"
which brings me to Jeff Carr--i liked him miss having him doing the commentary--added excitement, drama to it. I remember hearing him on 58 and 62--recently discovered the vid of STS-53. Steve Nesbitt did the STS-62 landing in 1994--in between '88 and '97.
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#87
by
shuttlepilot
on 11 Apr, 2007 12:21
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#88
by
TNCMAXQ
on 11 Apr, 2007 18:59
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One more name to add is Joel Wells. He did a couple of launches in 2000, as I recall. I think his first might have been STS-99. I remember that one because I was there to see it.
It was the first launch of 2000 so he said "liftoff of Endeavour on a 21st century mission to put Earth back on the map." I thought that was pretty good. I think he did at least one other launch but I don't remember. I guess he left the public affairs office shortly after that.
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#89
by
AstroRJY
on 11 Apr, 2007 19:24
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NO that was Mitch Varnes doing STS-99 wiht the BRILLIANT line about Earth on the map...as though it ever wasn't?? I liked Mitch but he had some dumb lines.
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#90
by
AstroRJY
on 11 Apr, 2007 19:26
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Raab did 2: 41-G and 51-B. He also did the 41-D Discovery FRF.
Jim Ball did 4: 51-G, 51-F, 61-A and 61-C. He also did the 51-J Atlantis FRF.
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#91
by
AstroRJY
on 11 Apr, 2007 19:28
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You're right. I've heard a couple times a mention of another optionb that I almost never hear mentioned called " fast separation". The idea in " fast separation" is that if they have a few seconds knowledge that something is about to let go in the ET or SRBs the can quickly separate the orbiter from the stack and try to ditch it in the ocean while the stack careens off on its own and then does a range safety destruct. I don't know if it would work considering what speed and dynamic pressures they'd be at or what altitude and how the orbiter's iarframe would handle that. Has anyone else ever heard of it?
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#92
by
MATTBLAK
on 11 Apr, 2007 19:30
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AstroRJY - 10/4/2007 6:52 PM
That is NOT Rye on the STS-105 link. That's Lisa Malone who has done shuttle launches since STS-29 in 1989. The rpess made a big story out of it whe she became the first female shuttle launch commentator back at that time. Rye has never actually done a shuttle launch before. She's done the tanking section between T- 6hours and T-3 hours on a couple of them and some Delta launches, but this would be her first actual shuttle launch. hopefully she's more impressive doing those than she has been so far. I really wish they'd retire George Diller. He drives me crazy listening to his hemming and hawing and soft spoken confusion on the air. Buckingham is allright. I really miss Hugh Harris, he was the best commentator.
Whatever happened to Lisa Malone anyway?
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#93
by
AstroRJY
on 11 Apr, 2007 19:32
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Good question. I miss her. I actually spoke to her on the phone once years ago when I called NASA. I think her most recent launch was in 2001 on 105 but I think she's still working in NASA PR. I could be in error.
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#94
by
Jim
on 11 Apr, 2007 20:04
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She is in charge of the organization
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#95
by
Rocket Guy
on 11 Apr, 2007 23:08
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AstroRJY - 11/4/2007 3:24 PM
NO that was Mitch Varnes doing STS-99 wiht the BRILLIANT line about Earth on the map...as though it ever wasn't?? I liked Mitch but he had some dumb lines.
No Astro, it was Joel Wells on STS-99 and STS-92 as well as Mars Odyssey.
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#96
by
STS-500Cmdr
on 12 Apr, 2007 01:08
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Joel Wells does sound very much like Varnes--i miss both--i On Fast Separaton you'll probably find talk about it in the Q&A threads but fast sep is not believed to be survivable as the orbiter would not be able to gain control with its wing surfaces and glide back-would probably tumble--if not cooked by the solids roaring by. BTW i did some googling- Mitch Varnes is now the Pres. of Board Sport Management--a surfing outfit in the space coast area.
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#97
by
Endeavour118
on 12 Apr, 2007 08:04
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nathan.moeller - 8/3/2007 10:00 AM
shuttlefan - 8/3/2007 8:52 AM
shuttlepilot - 8/3/2007 8:50 AM
TNCMAXQ - 8/3/2007 3:09 PM
I am disappointed Bruce Buckingham is no longer with PAO.
I'm disappointed too. I think he's the best commentator since 1991 when he first time covered shuttle launch.
I believe PAO folks from Houston come down to KSC for every launch and help out with KSC PAO. Is it possible that one of them would do launch commentary?
Possible. Rob Navias is MCC PAO, not LCC. He's amazing with ascent commentary but I've never heard him do launch commentary. The only person I can think of that can fill Rye's spot now is George Diller. He makes the launches highly exciting
Rob Just Did Launch Commentary of expedition 15 launch
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#98
by
shuttlepilot
on 12 Apr, 2007 12:52
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Endeavour118 - 12/4/2007 10:04 AM
Rob Just Did Launch Commentary of expedition 15 launch
Everyone know this.
I think he was really good - better than guys from two previous Soyuz launches. I would like to hear him as shuttle LCC PAO
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#99
by
Endeavour118
on 12 Apr, 2007 22:32
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Who Did The Last 2 Launches?
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#100
by
nathan.moeller
on 13 Apr, 2007 00:19
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Endeavour118 - 12/4/2007 5:32 PM
Who Did The Last 2 Launches?
Launch Commentary:
George Diller covered STS-114 and STS-115. Bruce Buckingham covered STS-121 and STS-116.
Ascent Commentary:
James Hartsfield on STS-114, Rob Navias on STS-121, Kyle Herring on STS-115 (due to do STS-117) and Kelly Humphries on STS-116.
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#101
by
Endeavour118
on 13 Apr, 2007 22:30
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nathan.moeller - 12/4/2007 8:19 PM
Endeavour118 - 12/4/2007 5:32 PM
Who Did The Last 2 Launches?
Launch Commentary:
George Diller covered STS-114 and STS-115. Bruce Buckingham covered STS-121 and STS-116.
Ascent Commentary:
James Hartsfield on STS-114, Rob Navias on STS-121, Kyle Herring on STS-115 (due to do STS-117) and Kelly Humphries on STS-116.
I Meant The Last 2 Soyuz Launches My Bad
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#102
by
shuttlepilot
on 14 Apr, 2007 19:24
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Soyuz TMA-9 was covered by Kelly Humphries, but I don't remember who covered Soyuz TMA-8.
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#103
by
Rocket Guy
on 14 Apr, 2007 19:37
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TMA-8 was Kylie Clem as I recall.
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#104
by
nathan.moeller
on 14 Apr, 2007 19:59
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Ben - 14/4/2007 2:37 PM
TMA-8 was Kylie Clem as I recall.
That's what I remember as well. I believe she covered TMA-7 and TMA-8.
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#105
by
nathan.moeller
on 14 Apr, 2007 19:59
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Ben - 14/4/2007 2:37 PM
TMA-8 was Kylie Clem as I recall.
That's what I remember as well. I believe she covered TMA-7 and TMA-8.
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#106
by
OV-107
on 28 Apr, 2007 21:23
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I see that Bill Johnson has taken Jessica Ryes earlier position as acting news chief.
Does it that mean that he will comment on sts 117 launch?
Or is George Diller their only alternative.
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#107
by
shuttlepilot
on 29 Apr, 2007 19:20
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Where did you find that information about Bill Johnson?
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#108
by
OV-107
on 29 Apr, 2007 20:44
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At the Ksc-section at nasas website I find this:
Media Services Division staff:
Bill Johnson: Chief, Acting News Chief
George Diller: Space Shuttle, Expendable Launch Vehicles and Deployable Spacecraft
Tracy Young: Space Station, Payload Processing and Constellation
Amber Philman: Multimedia, NASA Television Events and Education
Jeanne Ryba: Web Operations Manager
Ken Thornsley (321-867-7821): Senior Photo Editor and Coordinator
Manny Virata (321-867-7823): Media Projects
Laurel Lichtenberger: Accreditation and Logistics Operations Manager
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#109
by
Endeavour118
on 03 May, 2007 19:49
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OV-107 - 29/4/2007 4:44 PM
At the Ksc-section at nasas website I find this:
Media Services Division staff:
Bill Johnson: Chief, Acting News Chief
George Diller: Space Shuttle, Expendable Launch Vehicles and Deployable Spacecraft
Tracy Young: Space Station, Payload Processing and Constellation
Amber Philman: Multimedia, NASA Television Events and Education
Jeanne Ryba: Web Operations Manager
Ken Thornsley (321-867-7821): Senior Photo Editor and Coordinator
Manny Virata (321-867-7823): Media Projects
Laurel Lichtenberger: Accreditation and Logistics Operations Manager
WHo Replaced Bruce buckingham
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#110
by
Endeavour118
on 03 May, 2007 19:50
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Ben - 11/4/2007 7:08 PM
AstroRJY - 11/4/2007 3:24 PM
NO that was Mitch Varnes doing STS-99 wiht the BRILLIANT line about Earth on the map...as though it ever wasn't?? I liked Mitch but he had some dumb lines.
No Astro, it was Joel Wells on STS-99 and STS-92 as well as Mars Odyssey.
Also sts-102 for Joel Wells
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#111
by
shuttlepilot
on 10 May, 2007 14:16
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#112
by
Endeavour118
on 24 May, 2007 02:14
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now it's showing TBD
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#113
by
Rocket Guy
on 24 May, 2007 02:50
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#114
by
chksix
on 24 May, 2007 12:47
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TBD=To Be Diller
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#115
by
psloss
on 24 May, 2007 21:55
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I found your post to be an interesting tidbit. Also, to add to the comment about the astronauts receiving all of the attention... the PAO seems to receive quite a bit of negative comments. It is nice to hear about the individuals in the PAO. They really are the (official) window into NASA. It is especially nice to hear about the non-engineers that also contribute to the space program. The importantance of non-engineers is, unfortunately, either overlooked or looked at as negative.
