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3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« on: 01/09/2024 07:29 pm »
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Streaming from the 21st March 2024.

Advertising the show’s link to those who produced the Game of Thrones TV show is probably not the selling point it once was.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #1 on: 03/07/2024 07:56 pm »
Final trailer, streaming from the 11th March:



It looks spectacular but I have zero faith in the people behind it considering the mess they made of Game of Thrones in later seasons.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #2 on: 03/08/2024 05:39 am »
Looks much more Euro-American centric than the original.....
Apologies in advance for any lack of civility - it's unintended

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #4 on: 03/22/2024 11:14 pm »
Just watched episode 1. It's got the usual problems where the writers don't actually understand science and some of the Red China stuff shows a real superficiality that could have been cured by watching 60's newsreels, but it's good enough that it's going to get its second chance at our household.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #5 on: 03/23/2024 08:16 am »
I’ve just watched the first 4.  Was not too impressed at the start but it does grow on you if you let it.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #6 on: 03/24/2024 06:43 pm »
I liked it a lot in the first half, but I didn't think the last half reached the potential for the series.   

It's still pretty good, but should have been better.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #7 on: 03/25/2024 02:45 am »
https://twitter.com/YueMillward/status/1771066191257448689

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Yesterday, Netflix officially premiered "The Three-Body Problem," a new drama carefully produced by the original team of "Game of Thrones." The drama is adapted from the long science fiction novel "The Three-Body" written by Chinese author Liu Cixin.

The opening scene of the first episode describes a scene during the Chinese Cultural Revolution, which has caused widespread heated discussions on social media (excluding viewers in China, because the drama has been banned by the Chinese government due to the censorship system). Many people commented that it was too violent and bloody, while others, particularly those who experienced the Cultural Revolution firsthand, argued that due to Netflix's rating system, it was impossible to fully capture the brutal reality of the era on screen.

Indeed, my grandfather was one of those cruelty abused and maltreatment to death through struggle sessions. My mother was the daughter forced to witness her father's gruesome death. What was even more horrifying than depicted in the video was the public torture and abuse my grandfather endured day after day, beaten until unconsciousness, only to be dragged away and repeated the next morning. After each session, the Red Guards would force my grandmother, along with my mother and her siblings, to kneel on stage and clean up my grandfather's blood.

My mother rarely recalled that period of her life. But one evening on the anniversary of my grandfather's death, when I was 16 years old, after drinking some glasses of wine, she began to recount those cruel memories to me. My mother who always proud and elegant broken down that night as if sulfuric acid had been poured onto a gypsum statue. She cried out like a child, tears streaming down her face, shouting for“Baba(father)”. I held her tightly, fearing she would shatter into sand and I would never be able to put her back together. She completely collapsed in my arms, crying out, "Those demons who killed my father! Not a single one was punished! Those executioners! Never apologized! They live among us, as if nothing ever happened, as if they were human!"

That night, she cried herself to sleep in my embrace, while I stayed awake, fearing that the black hole of memory would consume her. Thankfully, the next day, my mother woke up and resumed her usual demeanor.

For many years, she never mentioned it again until her passing, and I realized it was the cruelest pain and hatred she could never resolve in her life. Her elegance was her armor, her shield, and her spear. She made those demons see that even though they could destroy lives, they could never destroy spirits. There were things she wouldn't allow them to shatter!

While people watch this TV series as entertainment but for me that feels like watching a documentary of my family's history. As I write these words today, my heart still bleeds. I feel I have to record that real history. Because those who lived through it are passing away, yet, the justice has not been arrived!

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #8 on: 03/25/2024 03:04 pm »
https://twitter.com/YueMillward/status/1771066191257448689

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Yesterday, Netflix officially premiered "The Three-Body Problem," a new drama carefully produced by the original team of "Game of Thrones." The drama is adapted from the long science fiction novel "The Three-Body" written by Chinese author Liu Cixin.

The opening scene of the first episode describes a scene during the Chinese Cultural Revolution, which has caused widespread heated discussions on social media (excluding viewers in China, because the drama has been banned by the Chinese government due to the censorship system). Many people commented that it was too violent and bloody, while others, particularly those who experienced the Cultural Revolution firsthand, argued that due to Netflix's rating system, it was impossible to fully capture the brutal reality of the era on screen.

Indeed, my grandfather was one of those cruelty abused and maltreatment to death through struggle sessions. My mother was the daughter forced to witness her father's gruesome death. What was even more horrifying than depicted in the video was the public torture and abuse my grandfather endured day after day, beaten until unconsciousness, only to be dragged away and repeated the next morning. After each session, the Red Guards would force my grandmother, along with my mother and her siblings, to kneel on stage and clean up my grandfather's blood.

My mother rarely recalled that period of her life. But one evening on the anniversary of my grandfather's death, when I was 16 years old, after drinking some glasses of wine, she began to recount those cruel memories to me. My mother who always proud and elegant broken down that night as if sulfuric acid had been poured onto a gypsum statue. She cried out like a child, tears streaming down her face, shouting for“Baba(father)”. I held her tightly, fearing she would shatter into sand and I would never be able to put her back together. She completely collapsed in my arms, crying out, "Those demons who killed my father! Not a single one was punished! Those executioners! Never apologized! They live among us, as if nothing ever happened, as if they were human!"

That night, she cried herself to sleep in my embrace, while I stayed awake, fearing that the black hole of memory would consume her. Thankfully, the next day, my mother woke up and resumed her usual demeanor.

For many years, she never mentioned it again until her passing, and I realized it was the cruelest pain and hatred she could never resolve in her life. Her elegance was her armor, her shield, and her spear. She made those demons see that even though they could destroy lives, they could never destroy spirits. There were things she wouldn't allow them to shatter!

While people watch this TV series as entertainment but for me that feels like watching a documentary of my family's history. As I write these words today, my heart still bleeds. I feel I have to record that real history. Because those who lived through it are passing away, yet, the justice has not been arrived!

The actual situation is that Chinese social media platforms are criticizing the quality of the adaptation. Some people also suspect that Netflix has suppressed the popularity of negative reviews through public relations efforts. Considering that Netflix does not serve the Chinese market, this is quite interesting.
However, I think this is not the answer you would like to hear. People tend to prefer answers that align with their own views, especially on the internet.
Personally, such an adaptation has completely lost the essence of the original work, and many scientific details are presented poorly, giving it a bit of a popcorn movie feel.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #9 on: 03/26/2024 08:09 am »
Got to the end of the first episode and the dialogue is really clunky in some scenes. Witness Benedict Wong’s character talking to his associate about scientists, the dialogue in that scene is awful. Overall though the story is intriguing enough to keep me watching

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #10 on: 03/27/2024 10:50 am »
I just finished watching season one.  Personally, I thought it got better as the season went on.

I noticed in the end credits a long list of “Executive Producers “, most notably Brad Pitt and Rosamund Pike.

Looking forward to season two.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #11 on: 03/27/2024 06:14 pm »
My hopes that '3 Body Problem' would incorporate elements of Xianxia c-dramas were disappointed. Instead it felt more like a Marvel superhero story.
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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #12 on: 03/27/2024 06:55 pm »
Thought it was good, but not great. Will watch subsequent seasons. Did not expect much more. My perspective is from having read the books, so missing parts (or questionable interpretation) in the screenplay I could fill in. Would help if reviewers indicated whether they have read the books, because in my experience it makes a significant difference in whether or not to reccomend.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #13 on: 03/27/2024 07:00 pm »
Having read the “Remembrance of Earth's Past” trilogy several months ago and then watched a Chinese production (Tencent) of the first book (3 Body Problem), I am disappointed by this Netflix version. It seems to skip over some important aspects and then overly focus on some human interactions that were briefly mentioned in the original book. The Tencent version (originally available on Peacock & YouTube) of the "3 Body Problem" seemed to follow the book much more closely and accurately. I enjoyed it greatly, but the bottom line for me was that the trilogy was very depressing, especially with the "Dark Forest Rule."
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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #14 on: 03/28/2024 04:38 am »
I had not seen or heard of this before it was posted on here so I am suitably impressed with a new story.  I think the cast was, mostly, a well picked mixture of seasoned and new talent.  Special effects were well done and the story is on going so roll on season two.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #15 on: 03/28/2024 09:13 am »
Thought it was good, but not great. Will watch subsequent seasons. Did not expect much more. My perspective is from having read the books, so missing parts (or questionable interpretation) in the screenplay I could fill in. Would help if reviewers indicated whether they have read the books, because in my experience it makes a significant difference in whether or not to reccomend.
I’ve heard of the books but never read them. Knew a little about them. So was going in cold mostly.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #16 on: 03/28/2024 02:38 pm »
I was in Vroman's in Pasadena a few weeks ago and was interested to see someone asking for the first  volume of the Trilogy. They'd sold out, which I guess must be a good sign-though they still had a nice 3 volume set  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Three-Body-Problem-Boxset-Cixin-Liu/dp/1035905876

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #17 on: 03/29/2024 06:41 pm »
Having read the “Remembrance of Earth's Past” trilogy several months ago and then watched a Chinese production (Tencent) of the first book (3 Body Problem), I am disappointed by this Netflix version. It seems to skip over some important aspects and then overly focus on some human interactions that were briefly mentioned in the original book. The Tencent version (originally available on Peacock & YouTube) of the "3 Body Problem" seemed to follow the book much more closely and accurately.
Gonna have to disagree on this one.

I thought the Netflix adaptation was fantastic but found the Tencent adaptation almost unwatchably tedious. I have read the books but I am not one of those people that insists on slavish devotion to the book, it's a different medium and changes are necessary. The simple reality is that it's almost impossible to have a blow by blow retelling of a high concept novel and have it actually work on screen, any adaptation must make substantive changes to be watchable. Moreover as with many high concept novels a great deal of the plot develops by way of character inner monologues, which does not lend itself to live action. Those plot threads have to be relocated into dialog, and to have dialog it is necessary to have characters with a reason to talk to each other. Putting the main POV characters in a friend group is the obvious way to do this without bloating the cast and giving people way too many characters to follow. Too, if you want to have impactful emotional beats it needs to be a character you have some investment in, so you need to spend time with them first. Overall I think most of the adaptation changes have really good obvious reasons to be like that, and I think it works well.

Also while the novel still works overall because it's interesting in other ways, the characters are quite wooden, and that is not a virtue. I think they did a great job of introducing character threads and themes to the show that are not present or are much more muted in the books. Quite the accomplishment given Benioff is quoted as saying "themes are for eighth grade book reports", but they still managed this quite successfully.

Some space nerd effects gaffes I noticed, it looked like they had booster separation, fairing jettison, and payload deploy all at once, with no upper stage or kick stage that I could see. Also looked like the payload took up basically the whole fairing, which it absolutely should not have done if they got the payload mass as low as suggested in dialog (a few hundred kg? less?). To be fair that would probably look ridiculous on screen and they'd catch more shit for scaling it properly. I will forgive this due to the stunning sail deployment sequence. The initial velocity of 46 km/s seemed a little weird, but makes sense if it's heliocentric, at least if you assume a tiny payload on a Vulcan with full boosters and kick stage. Also, did my eyes deceive me or was that Bobak Ferdowsi in mission control?
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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #18 on: 03/29/2024 08:40 pm »
I thought the Netflix adaptation was fantastic but found the Tencent adaptation almost unwatchably tedious.

Would not rate the Netflix adaptation as fantasic, but good enough to watch the next season (have not seen the Tencent version, but read the books). Agree that the screen adaption should not be a slave to the book.

That said, think the Netflix version could have benefitted significantly by stretching it a bit. Some important back-story was lost. Did not require hours of blow-by-blow, but a few additional minutes here-and-there would have helped, especially to get into the heads-motivations of some of the key characters and events.

That opinion stems from explaining some of the missing back-story to friends-family who at times asked "What's that all about?"

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #19 on: 04/01/2024 04:11 am »
I've read the books, but it's a long time ago and I don't remember the details, only the broad outlines.

I think this is a successful adaptation of the book, it got all the important points across, and the show is reasonable interesting. It's far from the best SF show ever produced, but it's one of the better ones in recent years and I'll be returning for the next reason.

I wish more adaptation would be like this, where the screen writer/director at least try to convey the original author's intent, even if they change the details; instead of going off on completely different directions.
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« Reply #20 on: 04/01/2024 04:43 am »
I found the plot to be neither circular nor restricted.

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« Reply #21 on: 04/02/2024 11:54 am »
Watched the second episode, and that seemed a heck of a lot better than the first one especially dialogue wise, also the story has really kicked in now.

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« Reply #22 on: 04/02/2024 01:46 pm »
Note for those comparing books and screenplay... Netflix season 1 covers events in nominally chronological order; the books do not. E.g., Netflix season 1 covers events from all 3 books in the trilogy (by my rough reckoning  > 50%). Expect that was because the author thought there was more near-future worth covering after volume 1 was published. What that portends for season 2 (or beyond) is unclear. IMO they could wrap it up in the next (second) season. Would be very annoyed if they did not either: (a) finish it in the second season; or (b) commit to a third season.

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« Reply #23 on: 04/02/2024 04:08 pm »
There's some very interesting stuff going on in China with regards to a murder trial over somebody involved in bringing the book to screen. You can look that up.

https://gizmodo.com/3-body-problem-poisoning-murder-case-trial-netflix-1851379416


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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #24 on: 04/02/2024 10:08 pm »
Note for those comparing books and screenplay... Netflix season 1 covers events in nominally chronological order; the books do not. E.g., Netflix season 1 covers events from all 3 books in the trilogy (by my rough reckoning  > 50%). Expect that was because the author thought there was more near-future worth covering after volume 1 was published. What that portends for season 2 (or beyond) is unclear. IMO they could wrap it up in the next (second) season. Would be very annoyed if they did not either: (a) finish it in the second season; or (b) commit to a third season.
I think if they stick to doing it roughly chronologically I'm not sure they can get another full season from ~present day stuff. As far as I recall all the ~present day parts from book 3 have already happened, so only part of book 2 remains before the time jump. While interesting, I don't think that's enough for a full season.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #25 on: 04/03/2024 07:58 am »
Note for those comparing books and screenplay... Netflix season 1 covers events in nominally chronological order; the books do not. E.g., Netflix season 1 covers events from all 3 books in the trilogy (by my rough reckoning  > 50%). Expect that was because the author thought there was more near-future worth covering after volume 1 was published. What that portends for season 2 (or beyond) is unclear. IMO they could wrap it up in the next (second) season. Would be very annoyed if they did not either: (a) finish it in the second season; or (b) commit to a third season.
I think if they stick to doing it roughly chronologically I'm not sure they can get another full season from ~present day stuff. As far as I recall all the ~present day parts from book 3 have already happened, so only part of book 2 remains before the time jump. While interesting, I don't think that's enough for a full season.
This may all be academic as it appears that the show may have under performed Netflix’s expectations, and therefore may not be renewed.

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Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #26 on: 04/06/2024 08:18 am »
Watched up to episode five which was the best so far. The tanker thing seemed a bit out of place for the rest of it so far, I hope they didn’t just include it for the sake of shock value. Though I understood some of the science concepts in the episodes some of the others I was struggling to follow the logic of. I don’t know if that’s just me or the way the show tried to explain it. Or if it’s just nonsense science.

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« Reply #27 on: 05/19/2024 06:24 pm »
Another artistic property ruined again by studios plus I don't thing modern entertainment really has it any more. Some flop and some make money, however some products do sell M3GAN, 'Barbie', Oppenheimer, Spider-Man No Way Home etc not everything is losing money. They are also making a lot of video games into shows and movies but sometimes I feel the film maker culture is moving in the wrong direction. This was way too rushed, the books left ideas open to interpretation or were more enjoyable even if it was difficult to remember all the Chinese character names, I could not get through this show at all and switched it off.

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« Reply #28 on: 05/23/2024 04:25 pm »
It’s been renewed by Netflix for further episodes. Though how many has not been revealed.

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3 Body Problem (Netflix)
« Reply #29 on: 06/02/2024 09:02 am »
The show runners have now confirmed the show will run for two more seasons to completion.

https://deadline.com/2024/05/3-body-problem-renewed-season-2-3-netflix-1235946312/

Finally finished this. Overall I thought it was pretty good but very inconsistent in its quality. It definitely improved over its run with the final episode being fairly decent and I’d definitely watch another season of it.
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