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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #560 on: 12/01/2010 04:46 pm »
So I have just played the campaign of a certain game, and a mission involves shooting down a Soyuz LV.  The problem is that the mission is supposed to take place in 1963, while I was under the impression that Soyuz first flew in 1966.  Would it really be the Soyuz LV, or would it have more than likely be the Voskhod LV?

There were small differences between the Soyuz and Voskhod launchers, mostly involving the engines. The Soyuz 3rd stage used an RD-110 engine, same as the current Soyuz-U/FG launchers, whereas Voskhod used the older RD-107 engine. Voskhod could not have launched a Soyuz spacecraft.

The engine on the upper stage was the RD-0108, a Kosberg design bureau engine. The RD-107 was (and is) used on the four boosters which constitute the first stage of Soyuz. The RD-108 is used on the core stage of Soyuz (second stage in Russian terminology). The RD-107 and RD-108 are from Glushko's design bureau.

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Opps, the Voshkod 3rd stage engine was RD-0107, and the Soyuz 3rd stage was and is RD-0110.


RD-0108 8D715P was used on the piloted Voskhod launchers; and was also fitted on the first six manufactured Molniya-M third stage.

http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3727&start=60

http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=8&prod=37
http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=103

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #561 on: 12/04/2010 05:20 pm »
Soyuz 4/5 question:

Given that the hatch on the Soyuz orbital module seems to be bolted on by technicians on the ground, how did the cosmonauts open the hatch for their EVA? Was the hatch specially modified for the EVA, or was the hatch for all of the early Soyuzes designed for EVAs?

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #562 on: 12/04/2010 05:23 pm »
Opps, the Voshkod 3rd stage engine was RD-0107, and the Soyuz 3rd stage was and is RD-0110.


RD-0108 8D715P was used on the piloted Voskhod launchers; and was also fitted on the first six manufactured Molniya-M third stage.

http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3727&start=60

http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=8&prod=37
http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=103

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Yep, Voskhod used RD-0108 for the final stage, and Soyuz used and uses RD-0110 for all variants prior to Soyuz-2.

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #563 on: 12/04/2010 07:23 pm »
Opps, the Voshkod 3rd stage engine was RD-0107, and the Soyuz 3rd stage was and is RD-0110.


 RD-0108 8D715P was used on the piloted Voskhod launchers; and was also fitted on the first six manufactured Molniya-M third stage.

http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3727&start=60

http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=8&prod=37
http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=103

Soviet Rocketry That Conquered Space
Timothy Varfolomeyev

Yep, Voskhod used RD-0108 for the final stage, and Soyuz used and uses RD-0110 for all variants prior to Soyuz-2.


 On the KBKhA website it lists just 51 x RD-0107 and 20 x RD-0108; though I'm not sure if that's just the successful flights?

 On Vovan’s post on the Novosti Kosmonavtiki forum is an interesting list of differences, between 11A57 Voskhod, 11A511 Soyuz and the 11A511U Soyuz-U. One major difference between Voskhod and Soyuz-U is the adoption of the 11S59 lower 1st and 2nd stages; the 11S59 features a central Blok-A with the control system reduced in height.
 Did the Molnija-M ever adopt the 11S59? Timothy Varfolomeyev articles in B.I.S. Spaceflight magazine suggest so… but reading the article again it sounds like it adopted the Soyuz 11A511 core first.

Thanks to Mr. Lissov, failures of RD-0107 engines
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 12.09.1962 -- По главной команде на выключение двигателя 8Д715К 3-й ступени на 530.95 сек не закрылся отсечной клапан окислителя верньерного двигателя №4. Двигатель взорвался, прошло сильное возмущение с закруткой ГБ (10°/сек по тангажу, 80°/сек по рысканью).
 23.11.1965 -- Взрыв одной из камер ДУ 8Д715К на конечной ступени тяги (528 сек). Головной блок выведен в нестабилизированном положении.
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=304&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1035

I can find 20 x RD-0107 8D715K
8K7810-10-1960Л1-4М1M
8K7814-10-1960Л1-5М1M
8K7812-02-1961Л1-6ВVenera 1
8K7804-02-1961Л1-7В1VA
8K7804-01-1963Т10309E-6
8K7803-02-1963Г10310E-6
8K7802-04-1963Г10311Luna 4
8K7825-08-1962Т103122MV-1
8K7801-09-1962Т103132MV-1
8K7812-09-1962Т103142MV-2
8K7824-10-1962Т103152MV-4
8K7801-11-1962Т10316Mars-1
8K7804-11-1962Т103172MV-3
8K7810-04-1965Р10326E-6
8K7831-01-1966У10332Luna 9
8K7827-03-1966У15000-4011F67
8K7831-03-1966Н10342Luna 10
8K7816-11-1965 Venera 3
8K7823-11-1965 Kosmos 96
8K7817-08-1970 Venera 7

12 x RD-0108 8D715P; eight more to identify?
8K7811-11-1963Г10318Kosmos 21
8K78M19-02-1964Т15000-193MV-1
8K78M21-03-1964Т15000-20E-6
8K78M20-04-1964Т15000-21E-6
8K78M27-03-1964Т15000-22Kosmos 27
8K78M02-04-1964Т15000-23Zond
11A5716-11-1963Г15000-06Kosmos 22
11A5706-10-1964Р15000-02Kosmos 47
11A5722-02-1965Р15000-03Kosmos 57
11A5712-10-1964Р15000-04Voskhod
11A5718-03-1965Р15000-05Voskhod 2
11A5722-02-1966Р15000-06Kosmos 110
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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #564 on: 12/05/2010 01:56 pm »
Soyuz 4/5 question:

Given that the hatch on the Soyuz orbital module seems to be bolted on by technicians on the ground, how did the cosmonauts open the hatch for their EVA? Was the hatch specially modified for the EVA, or was the hatch for all of the early Soyuzes designed for EVAs?


 Shatalov opened the Soyuz-4 orbital module hatch; from inside the descent module.
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/numbers/231/36.shtml


 Further reading:-
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/numbers/231/37.shtml
http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/energia46-96/05.html
http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/tm/1969/3/neb-ex.html

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #565 on: 12/05/2010 02:26 pm »
Soyuz 4/5 question:

Given that the hatch on the Soyuz orbital module seems to be bolted on by technicians on the ground, how did the cosmonauts open the hatch for their EVA? Was the hatch specially modified for the EVA, or was the hatch for all of the early Soyuzes designed for EVAs?


 Shatalov opened the Soyuz-4 orbital module hatch; from inside the descent module.
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/numbers/231/36.shtml


 Further reading:-
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/numbers/231/37.shtml
http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/energia46-96/05.html
http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/tm/1969/3/neb-ex.html

Yes, but I don't believe that the hatch can be opened from the inside anymore, which begs the question as to whether the Soyuz 4/5 hatches were specially designed, or whether Soyuz design has since been changed.

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #566 on: 12/06/2010 06:23 pm »
Soyuz 4/5 question:

[SNIP]


 Shatalov opened the Soyuz-4 orbital module hatch; from inside the descent module.
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/numbers/231/36.shtml

[SNIP]

Yes, but I don't believe that the hatch can be opened from the inside anymore, which begs the question as to whether the Soyuz 4/5 hatches were specially designed, or whether Soyuz design has since been changed.
From the 2010 NASA "Worldwide Spacecraft Crew Hatch History" document, NASA/TP–2010–216131. (http://ston.jsc.nasa.gov/collections/TRS/_techrep/TP-2010-216131.pdf)
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The OM also has a docking/transfer hatch and a crew entry/exit hatch that serves as an EVA hatch. Both crew hatches are inward opening and pressure sealed.
So I guess it still can be done, which makes sense if you have some emergency that might be fixable during EVA, quite some time after undocking from ISS, or want to fix a docking mechanism issue by EVA before docking.

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #567 on: 12/07/2010 03:06 pm »
From the 2010 NASA "Worldwide Spacecraft Crew Hatch History" document, NASA/TP–2010–216131. (http://ston.jsc.nasa.gov/collections/TRS/_techrep/TP-2010-216131.pdf)
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The OM also has a docking/transfer hatch and a crew entry/exit hatch that serves as an EVA hatch. Both crew hatches are inward opening and pressure sealed.
So I guess it still can be done, which makes sense if you have some emergency that might be fixable during EVA, quite some time after undocking from ISS, or want to fix a docking mechanism issue by EVA before docking.

Nevertheless, I don't believe that current generation Soyuz have an OM hatch that may be opened by the crew in orbit, it appears to be bolted on.



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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #568 on: 12/07/2010 11:34 pm »
From the 2010 NASA "Worldwide Spacecraft Crew Hatch History" document, NASA/TP–2010–216131. (http://ston.jsc.nasa.gov/collections/TRS/_techrep/TP-2010-216131.pdf)
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The OM also has a docking/transfer hatch and a crew entry/exit hatch that serves as an EVA hatch. Both crew hatches are inward opening and pressure sealed.
So I guess it still can be done, which makes sense if you have some emergency that might be fixable during EVA, quite some time after undocking from ISS, or want to fix a docking mechanism issue by EVA before docking.

Nevertheless, I don't believe that current generation Soyuz have an OM hatch that may be opened by the crew in orbit, it appears to be bolted on.
The outside may well be bolted on, but the hatch is inward opening, so that's no issue. Perhaps someone can provide definitive proof.

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #569 on: 12/08/2010 09:49 am »
In NK n°334 (2010-11), there is a list of all launches of the early warning program, but Cosmos 1940 is not in the list.

Is it a mistake, or is there a point that I didn't understand ?
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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #570 on: 12/08/2010 11:49 am »
Soyuz 4/5 question:

[SNIP]


 Shatalov opened the Soyuz-4 orbital module hatch; from inside the descent module.
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/numbers/231/36.shtml

[SNIP]

Yes, but I don't believe that the hatch can be opened from the inside anymore, which begs the question as to whether the Soyuz 4/5 hatches were specially designed, or whether Soyuz design has since been changed.
From the 2010 NASA "Worldwide Spacecraft Crew Hatch History" document, NASA/TP–2010–216131. (http://ston.jsc.nasa.gov/collections/TRS/_techrep/TP-2010-216131.pdf)
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The OM also has a docking/transfer hatch and a crew entry/exit hatch that serves as an EVA hatch. Both crew hatches are inward opening and pressure sealed.
So I guess it still can be done, which makes sense if you have some emergency that might be fixable during EVA, quite some time after undocking from ISS, or want to fix a docking mechanism issue by EVA before docking.
It would not help much, if you don't have EVA suits on board. AFAIK Soyuz spacecraft do not routinely carry Orlan suits on board.
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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #571 on: 12/08/2010 04:59 pm »
[Snipped all earlier quotes]

It would not help much, if you don't have EVA suits on board. AFAIK Soyuz spacecraft do not routinely carry Orlan suits on board.
True, but still having the option to employ Orlan suits on specific flights can prove beneficial.

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #572 on: 12/08/2010 09:08 pm »
In NK n°334 (2010-11), there is a list of all launches of the early warning program, but Cosmos 1940 is not in the list.

Is it a mistake, or is there a point that I didn't understand ?

Вобщем как бы это не оказалось уникальное изображение Космоса-1940 он же Геофизика. Был сделан он на шасси Метеора и представлял собой переходный шаг к Электро.
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7462&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=810

99 spacecrafts of this type have been put into orbit
by the present moment. The last launch was
performed on December 24, 2002. The next “Oko”
jubilee launch shall be performed in 2003.

http://www.laspace.ru/heatpipe/HP-Experience_Goncharov.pdf

26 апреля произведен запуск ИСЗ «Космос-1940». Научная аппаратура спутника предназначалась для проведения исследований процессов, происходящих в атмосфере Земли, и состояния Мирового океана.

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #573 on: 12/08/2010 11:29 pm »
It would not help much, if you don't have EVA suits on board. AFAIK Soyuz spacecraft do not routinely carry Orlan suits on board.

I was under the impression the Sokol suits could be used for a contingecy short EVA (though I may be having the wrong recollection)
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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #574 on: 12/09/2010 05:36 am »
It would not help much, if you don't have EVA suits on board. AFAIK Soyuz spacecraft do not routinely carry Orlan suits on board.

I am considering a possible EVA from inside a Soyuz as part of an ISS contingency.

Although I haven't seen any evidence that the OM hatch can be opened by the crew from inside,  and I don't think that an Orlan suit can fit through the hatch; however, I have a dim recollection that the OM has some primitive Orlan servicing systems, which makes little sense.

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #575 on: 12/12/2010 01:53 pm »
In 2006, an unidentified Soyuz SA was put on display on the USS Hornet, in Alameda, California.

Now, it seems that this capsule has moved to Chabot Space and Science Center in Oakland.

Someone can confirm this is the same capsule ?
Do you know which spacecraft it is ?

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #576 on: 12/12/2010 06:03 pm »
4,000 kg thrust engine that can fit in both Fregat or Briz-M; how much difference would that make to Proton-M Briz-M performance?
http://engine.aviaport.ru/issues/70/page36.html

http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4252&start=411

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #577 on: 12/16/2010 09:45 pm »
When were the rockets
Soyuz-FG Ю15000-028 Soyuz TMA-18
Soyuz-U Ю15000-120 Progress M-03M
Soyuz-FG Б15000-033 Kanopus-V/BKA-2
Soyuz-U Б15000-121 Progress M-MIM2
delivered to Baikonur?
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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #578 on: 12/20/2010 03:02 pm »
Do you know how to translate "построитель местной вертикали" ?

http://www.vniiem.ru/ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77:-7201&catid=37:spaceprograms&Itemid=62

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Re: Soviet/Russian space programs Q&A
« Reply #579 on: 12/20/2010 04:13 pm »
Do you know how to translate "построитель местной вертикали"?

It's a device which finds Earth surface normal vector (by detecting Earth limb in a few directions).

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