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#700 by DaveS on 19 Jan, 2012 20:31
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I have a question on the Buran ONA-1 directional antenna that is mounted on the aft payload bay bulkhead. When in the fully deployed configuration does it extend beyond its nominal stowed length or does it remain at the same length?
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#701 by Stan Black on 20 Jan, 2012 13:55
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It was my first thought, but what are the four circles on the forward side ?
And the second picture shows the prime and backup crews of Soyuz-30 spacecraft. These crews had been selected several years after the launch of Salyut-4...
I just stumbled upon that picture too.Quote
Soyuz-28 spaceship prepared for launch in the operations and checkout building of Baikonur space centre.
Event date 03/02/1978
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#702 by Nicolas PILLET on 20 Jan, 2012 14:24
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Soyuz-28 spaceship prepared for launch in the operations and checkout building of Baikonur space centre.
Event date 03/02/1978
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#703 by Danderman on 20 Jan, 2012 21:13
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Soyuz-28 spaceship prepared for launch in the operations and checkout building of Baikonur space centre.
Event date 03/02/1978
Obviously, the caption is wrong. This can't be the Soyuz-28 spaceship !
OK, so there appears to be a mis-labeled image of Salyut 6 on the web site. Did anyone figure out the story about those holes in the docking hatch?
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#704 by Danderman on 26 Jan, 2012 21:52
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I don't understand what I see on these pictures...
I have a clue about those 4 holes in the front bulkhead!
Because its a copyrighted image, I can only link to it, not upload it and post it here:
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/spacecraft/manned/space_stations/almaz/excalibur/station_hull_2.jpg -
#705 by Stan Black on 27 Jan, 2012 17:58
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What has GRAU 17F112?
http://bd.patent.su/2391000-2391999/pat/servl/servletf4bc.html
http://bd.patent.su/2390000-2390999/pat/servl/servletd322.html
Bars - replacement for 11F660 Kometa
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#706 by Nicolas PILLET on 27 Jan, 2012 19:17
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I don't understand what I see on these pictures...
I have a clue about those 4 holes in the front bulkhead!
Because its a copyrighted image, I can only link to it, not upload it and post it here:
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/spacecraft/manned/space_stations/almaz/excalibur/station_hull_2.jpg
I don't think there is a link between Anatoli's Almaz picture and our mysterious picture.
Look at this and compare : the four tanks visible on Almaz have clearly different aspect and dimensions.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/spacecraft/manned/space_stations/almaz/0205/front_1.jpg -
#707 by Danderman on 28 Jan, 2012 00:36
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I don't understand what I see on these pictures...
I have a clue about those 4 holes in the front bulkhead!
Because its a copyrighted image, I can only link to it, not upload it and post it here:
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/spacecraft/manned/space_stations/almaz/excalibur/station_hull_2.jpg
I don't think there is a link between Anatoli's Almaz picture and our mysterious picture.
Look at this and compare : the four tanks visible on Almaz have clearly different aspect and dimensions.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/spacecraft/manned/space_stations/almaz/0205/front_1.jpg
The orientation of the station module determines the aspect of the tanks, but more importantly, in the Salyut image, we are not seeing the tanks, but rather the holes where the tanks used to be.
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#708 by Nicolas PILLET on 28 Jan, 2012 18:03
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Just a little question : in this old gallery (dating from february 2005), Igor Marinin shows us pictures of the RKK Energiya museum which reportedly show the first Voskhod spacecraft, Cosmos 47.
I've been in this museum, and I've seen no sign of Cosmos 47. Is the caption mistaken ?
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#709 by Zero-G on 29 Jan, 2012 17:55
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Just a little question : in this old gallery (dating from february 2005), Igor Marinin shows us pictures of the RKK Energiya museum which reportedly show the first Voskhod spacecraft, Cosmos 47.
I believe that the caption actually is mistaken:
I've been in this museum, and I've seen no sign of Cosmos 47. Is the caption mistaken ?
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/photogallery/gallery_017/pages/IMG_0883.html
I have been in this museum in August 2005, and I have seen and photographed what seems to be the same spacecraft as shown in the picture that you linked. But according to the certificate which was displayed with it, this is not vehicle Voskhod 3KV number 2 as stated in the caption of that picture. In the certificate it is designated as vehicle Voskhod 3KV number 3, as the first manned spacecraft flown with 3 cosmonauts on board.
See photos below, which I took during my visit in August 2005.
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#710 by Kyra's kosmos on 19 Feb, 2012 18:33
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That's a very nice interior pic of Voskhod, Zero-G! Do you have a closer view of the instrument panel?
Did you photograph the interior of Vostok-6 when you were there?
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#711 by Zero-G on 20 Feb, 2012 00:13
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That's a very nice interior pic of Voskhod, Zero-G! Do you have a closer view of the instrument panel?
Did you photograph the interior of Vostok-6 when you were there?
Are you looking for anything specific? Any special detail? Maybe I can help you.
Anyway, here is a close-up of the Voskhod instrument panel, a photo of the interior of Vostok-6, and a photo of the certificate that is displayed with it.
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#712 by Kyra's kosmos on 20 Feb, 2012 05:41
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Zero-G Thank you so much! This made my day!!
Vostok-6 (3KA#8) seems to have a great deal of original hardware, extra storage for Konvass films, extra life support system adjustment valves, the original catapult seat arming switch. Theres also new shatterproof TV lighting fixtures and shock absorbing mounts for the panels. A gem of a spacecraft !
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#713 by Zero-G on 20 Feb, 2012 21:46
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Zero-G Thank you so much! This made my day!!
Vostok-6 (3KA#8) seems to have a great deal of original hardware, extra storage for Konvass films, extra life support system adjustment valves, the original catapult seat arming switch. Theres also new shatterproof TV lighting fixtures and shock absorbing mounts for the panels. A gem of a spacecraft !
They added a couple warning lights to Voskhod. Theres even a 4th generation Globe device (IMP4).....interesting!
You are welcome!
BTW, the certificate designates Vostok-6 as 3KA No. 6 (in the Russian text as well as in the English translation).
I have noticed that you are the owner/webmaster of the vostoksupersite. Very interesting website! Thank you for creating it.
I have some additional information you might want to add to the section about where the instrument panels are today:
-The IMP-4 in the Voskhod panel in my pictures in my previous posts has the number 48006 (not 48008).
-At NIIAO factory museum in Zhukovsky there are actually two instrument panels on display, both with IMP-3 with numbers 21880 and 21881.
-Also, on your website you are asking for the whereabouts of flown Vostok-2 panels from VDNK display (IMP-2 №11531): At the "Memorial Museum of Cosmonautics" in Moscow, which is the successor of VDNK from the soviet days, there is a Vostok mockup on display which has an instrument panel with an IMP-2. But I don't know if either the IMP-2 or the whole panel (or anything else in that mockup) are actually flown hardware or not. (See pictures I made on a visit in 2009.)
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#714 by Kyra's kosmos on 21 Feb, 2012 12:14
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Zero-G Thank you so much! This made my day!!
Vostok-6 (3KA#8) seems to have a great deal of original hardware, extra storage for Konvass films, extra life support system adjustment valves, the original catapult seat arming switch. Theres also new shatterproof TV lighting fixtures and shock absorbing mounts for the panels. A gem of a spacecraft !
They added a couple warning lights to Voskhod. Theres even a 4th generation Globe device (IMP4).....interesting!
You are welcome!
BTW, the certificate designates Vostok-6 as 3KA No. 6 (in the Russian text as well as in the English translation).
I have noticed that you are the owner/webmaster of the vostoksupersite. Very interesting website! Thank you for creating it.
I have some additional information you might want to add to the section about where the instrument panels are today:
-The IMP-4 in the Voskhod panel in my pictures in my previous posts has the number 48006 (not 48008).
-At NIIAO factory museum in Zhukovsky there are actually two instrument panels on display, both with IMP-3 with numbers 21880 and 21881.
-Also, on your website you are asking for the whereabouts of flown Vostok-2 panels from VDNK display (IMP-2 №11531): At the "Memorial Museum of Cosmonautics" in Moscow, which is the successor of VDNK from the soviet days, there is a Vostok mockup on display which has an instrument panel with an IMP-2. But I don't know if either the IMP-2 or the whole panel (or anything else in that mockup) are actually flown hardware or not. (See pictures I made on a visit in 2009.)
Thank you for the compliments and new info here. The VDNK Instrument panel had a radiation guage on one of the three part guages -which if it had flown on Vostok-2 would be very odd - this information was sent directly to Tral telemetry bypassing the instrumentation. The Memorial Museum display is enigmatic. I've nicknamed this mockup "Ol' Green chair" for its unique upholstry in my archives
The NIIAO instrument panels are featured in designer Yuri Tiapchenko's papers. Thanks for the IMP serial numbers on those.
The error in the certification OAO "Energia" for Vostok-6 points to another mystery. The disposition and location of 3KA#6 (Vostok-4) is currently unknown. Previously, we thought it was at the Zvezda plant as the Vostok-2 mockup. Zvezda officials claim this spacecraft as 3KA#1 (Chernushka's spacecraft).
There are 2 other flown 3KA style spacecraft that appear flown that are branded as mockups. One is in Zhitomir, Ukraine and the other at Valentina Tereshkova's museum in Yaroslavl. Her displayed ship has heavy damage at the base. Could this be Vostok-2? I suspect the mockup in Zhitomir might be Vostok-4. The key to identifying flight hardware of a 3K series involves checking the heat sheild for concentric bands and the configuration of the pressure plate with the electrical connectors. The serial number is listed in the parachute compartment.
That said, there seems to have been a great deal of mixing of parts that took place in the late 1960's before the spacecraft were displayed, perhaps to preserve secrecy.
My current wish list:
Vostok-6s instrument panel up close
Voskhod-2's airlock panel that was in the descent apparatus.
Soyuz-7K-OK's Signal Table
A screenshots of the Soyuz TMA-M "Ф1" screen and worldmap screen
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#715 by Zero-G on 21 Feb, 2012 23:50
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The VDNK Instrument panel had a radiation guage on one of the three part guages.
How does that radiation gauge look like? I want to check my pictures of the panels that I have photographed in various places, to see if some of them have the same gauge.The NIIAO instrument panels are featured in designer Yuri Tiapchenko's papers. Thanks for the IMP serial numbers on those.
What papers are these? Are they available online somewhere?My current wish list:
Vostok-6s instrument panel up close
Voskhod-2's airlock panel that was in the descent apparatus.
Soyuz-7K-OK's Signal Table
A screenshots of the Soyuz TMA-M "Ф1" screen and worldmap screen
1. I did not make a close-up of the Vostok-6 instrument panel. All I can offer you is a cut-out from the photo I already posted, but it is not as clear as a real close-up (see first picture below).
2. The second picture below shows Voskhod-2's interior (also at the Energiya museum): Is the airlock panel the one on the top edge of my pic? If this is the case, I don't have a better pic of it.
BTW: As you can see, the interior of Voskhod-2 is in a much worse condition than Voskhod-1 and Vostok-6. The instrument panel is missing and the lining is torn and degraded. Also, I am not sure if the control panel on the right is the original one. There should be a metal grid over it to protect the switches from being bumped accidentally. (The Voskhod control panel on display at the NIIAO museum has such a metal grid for protection.)
3. What exactly is the Soyuz-7K-OK Signal Table? How does it look like? I want to check my pics, to see if I have photographed one.
4. Would one of these screens be one of them (see third picture below)? This photo is from one of the Soyuz simulators at TsPK, but I don't know if it had already been upgraded to TMA-M when I was there the last time in 2010.
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#716 by Kyra's kosmos on 22 Feb, 2012 01:43
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The VDNK Instrument panel had a radiation guage on one of the three part guages.
How does that radiation gauge look like? I want to check my pictures of the panels that I have photographed in various places, to see if some of them have the same gauge.The NIIAO instrument panels are featured in designer Yuri Tiapchenko's papers. Thanks for the IMP serial numbers on those.
What papers are these? Are they available online somewhere?My current wish list:
Vostok-6s instrument panel up close
Voskhod-2's airlock panel that was in the descent apparatus.
Soyuz-7K-OK's Signal Table
A screenshots of the Soyuz TMA-M "Ф1" screen and worldmap screen
1. I did not make a close-up of the Vostok-6 instrument panel. All I can offer you is a cut-out from the photo I already posted, but it is not as clear as a real close-up (see first picture below).
2. The second picture below shows Voskhod-2's interior (also at the Energiya museum): Is the airlock panel the one on the top edge of my pic? If this is the case, I don't have a better pic of it.
BTW: As you can see, the interior of Voskhod-2 is in a much worse condition than Voskhod-1 and Vostok-6. The instrument panel is missing and the lining is torn and degraded. Also, I am not sure if the control panel on the right is the original one. There should be a metal grid over it to protect the switches from being bumped accidentally. (The Voskhod control panel on display at the NIIAO museum has such a metal grid for protection.)
3. What exactly is the Soyuz-7K-OK Signal Table? How does it look like? I want to check my pics, to see if I have photographed one.
4. Would one of these screens be one of them (see third picture below)? This photo is from one of the Soyuz simulators at TsPK, but I don't know if it had already been upgraded to TMA-M when I was there the last time in 2010.
The airlock panel is seen from the side on the left in your pic almost flat against the wall next to the headrests. I have seen one on the News of Cosmonautics archive but it is blurry.
Thank You! Here are Yuri Tiapchenko's papers on instrumentation:
http://www.cosmoworld.ru/spaceencyclopedia/publications/index.shtml?index_tg.html
Specifically Vostok and Voskhod
http://www.cosmoworld.ru/spaceencyclopedia/publications/vostok_voshod.pdf
Here are the radiation guages and the Soyuz 7K Instrument Board: (attachments)
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#717 by Zero-G on 22 Feb, 2012 20:24
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The airlock panel is seen from the side on the left in your pic almost flat against the wall next to the headrests. I have seen one on the News of Cosmonautics archive but it is blurry.
Thank You! Here are Yuri Tiapchenko's papers on instrumentation:
http://www.cosmoworld.ru/spaceencyclopedia/publications/index.shtml?index_tg.html
Specifically Vostok and Voskhod
http://www.cosmoworld.ru/spaceencyclopedia/publications/vostok_voshod.pdf
Here are the radiation guages and the Soyuz 7K Instrument Board: (attachments)
Thanks for the link to Tiapchenko's papers! (Now I have to see how I can get them translated online. It seems that they are too big for Google translator.)
I don't understand which one is the airlock panel in Voskhod-2. Could you please either mark it on my pic, or post that blurry pic you mentioned, or post a link to it?
Here are photos of the Soyuz-7K Signal Table and the Critical Command Buttons. They are from the Soyuz-7K "Sirius" panel in NIIAO museum.
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#718 by Kyra's kosmos on 22 Feb, 2012 23:44
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The airlock panel is seen from the side on the left in your pic almost flat against the wall next to the headrests. I have seen one on the News of Cosmonautics archive but it is blurry.
Thank You! Here are Yuri Tiapchenko's papers on instrumentation:
http://www.cosmoworld.ru/spaceencyclopedia/publications/index.shtml?index_tg.html
Specifically Vostok and Voskhod
http://www.cosmoworld.ru/spaceencyclopedia/publications/vostok_voshod.pdf
Here are the radiation guages and the Soyuz 7K Instrument Board: (attachments)
Thanks for the link to Tiapchenko's papers! (Now I have to see how I can get them translated online. It seems that they are too big for Google translator.)
I don't understand which one is the airlock panel in Voskhod-2. Could you please either mark it on my pic, or post that blurry pic you mentioned, or post a link to it?
Here are photos of the Soyuz-7K Signal Table and the Critical Command Buttons. They are from the Soyuz-7K "Sirius" panel in NIIAO museum.
Thank you for the Soyuz-7K pics! The NIIAO isn't a frequent tourist destination, even for the space minded, so I presumed you were Russian, sorry about that. I would send them an email like once a year from about 2004, but they never responded, but I'm thrilled that someone got in their company museum.
The airlock panel is on the top of page 5 in this document. As you will see its only patrially legible.
http://www.cosmoworld.ru/spaceencyclopedia/publications/voshod_3kd.pdf
It only flew once (or twice if you count Cosmos 57) and was known as the ПСА-4-3КД. A couple of quick searches show this is the only place it is really discussed.
After this on Cosmos-110 (February 1966) they went to a new generation called 3KV-5 which was the first to implement the grid based command system and a new periscope "VZOR" that was later flown on Soyuz. There was even a full teletype like keyboard onboard. Why they flew all this with only the dogs Ugolyok and Veterok onboard baffles me. I mean they were smart enough to try to escape the IMBP after their 22 day flight, but...
Seriously, the 3KV system 5 would have been part of the configuration used on the Voskhod high altitude and long duration flights that were cancelled in 1966.
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#719 by Nicolas PILLET on 27 Feb, 2012 22:26
