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I'm glad that NSF livestreams will still be an option at least. I don't see myself coming back to Twitter/X anytime soon as much as I miss following Eric Berger/Jeff Foust and watching SpaceX livestreams.

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I get annoyed at the YT ads that pop up right at staging when watching replays, but not going to vent about it.




I understand that you get ads while watching YouTube or Roku directly on your Smart TV. That can be annoying. But, as Yoda would say; "There is another." Ad blockers are available to eliminate that entirely for PCs and smartphones. Just screencast or drive the PC screen to the TV via HDMI and voila, no ads.
I wonder how long Google will allow that.
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I understand that you get ads while watching YouTube or Roku directly on your Smart TV. That can be annoying. But, as Yoda would say; "There is another." Ad blockers are available to eliminate that entirely for PCs and smartphones. Just screencast or drive the PC screen to the TV via HDMI and voila, no ads.
I wonder how long Google will allow that.

New version of how plugins are managed in chrome (Manifest 3) will stop a lot of what adblockers can do. Google have delayed the testing, but when it comes in then adblockers will be rendered useless for things like youtube. It will impact chromecasting.

Initially it was going to be tested early this year, but it's been delayed and there has been no update from Google.
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New version of how plugins are managed in chrome (Manifest 3) will stop a lot of what adblockers can do. Google.

That marks the time to be off Chrome and on to FireFox or other browser full time.

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I get annoyed at the YT ads that pop up right at staging when watching replays, but not going to vent about it.




I understand that you get ads while watching YouTube or Roku directly on your Smart TV. That can be annoying. But, as Yoda would say; "There is another." Ad blockers are available to eliminate that entirely for PCs and smartphones. Just screencast or drive the PC screen to the TV via HDMI and voila, no ads.
I wonder how long Google will allow that.
Until they start re-encoding every single youtube video for every viewer to embed the ads into a single stream.

When your ad delivery mechanism requires on asking the browser on a user's device to pretty-please pause the video and play a different video, then they are reliant on winning a quixotic arms race between nerds who hate ads who want to not see them and have full control of the computer that is displaying the ads, and nerds who hate ads but are paid to implement them on a computer they have no control over.

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I'm glad that NSF livestreams will still be an option at least. I don't see myself coming back to Twitter/X anytime soon as much as I miss following Eric Berger/Jeff Foust and watching SpaceX livestreams.

Unfortunately this isn't an option for Vandenberg launches (at least some of them), as seen from today.
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I can recall a time when news about space was only available on the three major Network evening news shows,
Time, Life, Scientific American, Popular Mechanics, occasionally Rolling Stone or Playboy.  There was plenty of coverage.  But tell kids that today and they won't believe you.

Right,Kids now want to live-stream their personal media display equipment (smartphones, etc.) with chat alongside the stream to ask silly questions. I was excited to wait a month to read an in-depth space-related article with diagrams and a few well-composed photos in any of the aforementioned periodicals, delivered to my mailbox via snail mail. ( .....but perhaps not Playboy).  Thanks, Barlrey.

Why do you assume it's "kids"? And what's the point here? Can someone not express disappointment that something that was pretty good is now just meh at best without the cliche "back in my day" retorts?

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New version of how plugins are managed in chrome (Manifest 3) will stop a lot of what adblockers can do. Google.

That marks the time to be off Chrome and on to FireFox or other browser full time.
Or just pay for youtube premium. No ads plus the channels you like make more money than they would from ads.

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I will be surprised if this policy lasts to the end of October. Even with twitter's BS view statistics, they'll have to notice at some point that no one is watching.

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I can recall a time when news about space was only available on the three major Network evening news shows,
Time, Life, Scientific American, Popular Mechanics, occasionally Rolling Stone or Playboy.  There was plenty of coverage.  But tell kids that today and they won't believe you.

Right,Kids now want to live-stream their personal media display equipment (smartphones, etc.) with chat alongside the stream to ask silly questions. I was excited to wait a month to read an in-depth space-related article with diagrams and a few well-composed photos in any of the aforementioned periodicals, delivered to my mailbox via snail mail. ( .....but perhaps not Playboy).  Thanks, Barlrey.

Why do you assume it's "kids"? And what's the point here? Can someone not express disappointment that something that was pretty good is now just meh at best without the cliche "back in my day" retorts?

This is the point.  It was always better than "pretty good" with SpaceX.  More like "the best by all measures."  And even with X/Twitter, "just meh" is an inaccurate description.

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The SpaceX videos I’ve seen lately on Twitter have been much higher than the usual Twitter videos. 1080p or so.

I honestly think people are exaggerating the importance of this. SpaceX used to not be on YouTube at all. You could download videos from their website and stream launches. Without YouTube.

And the quality isn’t terrible like it used to be for Twitter videos.

Who really cares?

I think this is the case of people not liking Musk for other reasons again, thus exaggerating how important different changes are. (And I get why people don’t like Musk. He has dipped deeply into politics lately and made increasingly questionable decisions about the kind of folks he sort of associates with… all a very bad look.)
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Who really cares?

I think this is the case of people not liking Musk for other reasons again, thus exaggerating how important different changes are. (And I get why people don’t like Musk. He has dipped deeply into politics lately and made increasingly questionable decisions about the kind of folks he sort of associates with… all a very bad look.)


I think there is an effort by folks to sort of separate Musk from SpaceX in a way, or rather focus on SpaceX on their own merits instead of putting the focus on Musk. The subject of this thread only ties SpaceX closer to Musk personally which is a little bit distasteful if you're not part of the cult of personality surrounding him.

Aside from that, the video quality is objectively worse on Twitter as others have said. You can't spin this into an improvement on the quality although you can think what you like about the Twitter/X platform as a whole.

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That is sufficient to care.

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Who really cares?

I think this is the case of people not liking Musk for other reasons again, thus exaggerating how important different changes are. (And I get why people don’t like Musk. He has dipped deeply into politics lately and made increasingly questionable decisions about the kind of folks he sort of associates with… all a very bad look.)


I think there is an effort by folks to sort of separate Musk from SpaceX in a way, or rather focus on SpaceX on their own merits instead of putting the focus on Musk. The subject of this thread only ties SpaceX closer to Musk personally which is a little bit distasteful if you're not part of the cult of personality surrounding him.

Aside from that, the video quality is objectively worse on Twitter as others have said. You can't spin this into an improvement on the quality although you can think what you like about the Twitter/X platform as a whole.
Im not trying to spin anything, just saying reality. I think Elon got SpaceX streams to be higher resolution on Twitter. Actually look at the most recent ones, they’re 1080p.
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Who really cares?

I think this is the case of people not liking Musk for other reasons again, thus exaggerating how important different changes are. (And I get why people don’t like Musk. He has dipped deeply into politics lately and made increasingly questionable decisions about the kind of folks he sort of associates with… all a very bad look.)

I don't give a rat's furry behind about Musk. This has nothing to do with me liking him.

This is all about poor UX (user experience). End of the day, it boils down to does SpaceX care about the general public (or space fans) and how they perceive SpaceX or not. If they don't care, then not a problem. But if they do care, then they have reduced the user experience by removing it from YouTube.

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I agree the interface is worse. Just annoying when people falsely claim that 1080p is 480p.

And I don’t think it’s a big deal.
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The codec is older and worse quality. They are wasting a lot of bits streaming that 1080p and it is still worse than any Youtube 1080p.

The streaming also does not support rewinding or starting late.

It is "my bobbys first fisher price streaming service" vs the industry leader. Viewers not impressed.

Should have first made an actual good streaming feature before jumping to the "force people to watch here because reasons" bandwagon to try to get users to a service that is not interesting users.

Frankly my biggest beef is that I can no longer promote the fact that hey, there is a launch happening. If I link to the X tweet (which is appearing very late so I can't do that an hour in advance like I could with YT streams), people just say the won't sign into X to watch it. So I can't really share it. For a social media service that supposedly is designed to share things, this is... mind-boggling.

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Who really cares?

I think this is the case of people not liking Musk for other reasons again, thus exaggerating how important different changes are. (And I get why people don’t like Musk. He has dipped deeply into politics lately and made increasingly questionable decisions about the kind of folks he sort of associates with… all a very bad look.)


I think there is an effort by folks to sort of separate Musk from SpaceX in a way, or rather focus on SpaceX on their own merits instead of putting the focus on Musk. The subject of this thread only ties SpaceX closer to Musk personally which is a little bit distasteful if you're not part of the cult of personality surrounding him.

Aside from that, the video quality is objectively worse on Twitter as others have said. You can't spin this into an improvement on the quality although you can think what you like about the Twitter/X platform as a whole.
Im not trying to spin anything, just saying reality. I think Elon got SpaceX streams to be higher resolution on Twitter. Actually look at the most recent ones, they’re 1080p.
And they were 4k on YouTube.

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Who really cares?

I think this is the case of people not liking Musk for other reasons again, thus exaggerating how important different changes are. (And I get why people don’t like Musk. He has dipped deeply into politics lately and made increasingly questionable decisions about the kind of folks he sort of associates with… all a very bad look.)


I think there is an effort by folks to sort of separate Musk from SpaceX in a way, or rather focus on SpaceX on their own merits instead of putting the focus on Musk. The subject of this thread only ties SpaceX closer to Musk personally which is a little bit distasteful if you're not part of the cult of personality surrounding him.

Aside from that, the video quality is objectively worse on Twitter as others have said. You can't spin this into an improvement on the quality although you can think what you like about the Twitter/X platform as a whole.
Im not trying to spin anything, just saying reality. I think Elon got SpaceX streams to be higher resolution on Twitter. Actually look at the most recent ones, they’re 1080p.
Resolution means little, it's bitrate that's the problem. Youtube can easily stream upwards of 10Mbps if your connection can handle it (and you are two mouseclicks from forcing it to give you the maximum bitrate, buffering be damned). Twitter will rarely break 5Mbps even for non-streaming video, and what bitrate is actually presented is based on the random and capricious whims of pixies and faeries.

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The codec is older and worse quality. They are wasting a lot of bits streaming that 1080p and it is still worse than any Youtube 1080p.

The streaming also does not support rewinding or starting late.

It is "my bobbys first fisher price streaming service" vs the industry leader. Viewers not impressed.

Should have first made an actual good streaming feature before jumping to the "force people to watch here because reasons" bandwagon to try to get users to a service that is not interesting users.

Frankly my biggest beef is that I can no longer promote the fact that hey, there is a launch happening. If I link to the X tweet (which is appearing very late so I can't do that an hour in advance like I could with YT streams), people just say the won't sign into X to watch it. So I can't really share it. For a social media service that supposedly is designed to share things, this is... mind-boggling.
I’m not sure I follow you here. Ive been able to watch Twitter videos without signing in if I have a direct link.

A lot of streaming platforms, actually most of them from Hulu to Netflix to Disney+ to Amazon Prime, require you sign in first before watching, and most of those require a subscription to see anything. Twitter lets you watch videos without signing in.
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