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Hazegrayart Master Thread
« on: 03/16/2023 06:27 am »
This is the main thread for Hazegrayart's space animation videos. All threads from 2019 are tagged below for easy reference, and each subject is linked back to its original thread.

Added a new subcategory to allow posting for other CGI Artists. 


All Previous Hazegrayart Threads scattered in NSF

The Methane Rocket Revolution is Here
SpaceX Starship Launch Animation from the Cape
Hyperion: The Fully Reusable SSTO!
Hypersonic Lifting Body To Space: The FDL-5
Apollo Command and Service Module Shuttle
alt history - Soviet Moon landing
Hillers Air Tug - Saturn V 1st state mid-air recovery
Lenticular Reentry Vehicle a Nuclear Warhead Delivery System
Reusable One-Stage Orbital Space Truck (ROOST)
Bedpost Rocket the Kistler K-1
HOTOL SSTO spaceplane animation
Saturn V-4X(U)
SpaceX Starship Mars Landing - Simulation
Boeing Space Freighter Fully Reusable Rocket Spaceplane
Lockheed's LS-200 Star Clipper Spaceplane
International Space Station Deorbit Sim
TWA Moonliner animation
Animation of Saturn shuttle with fly-back booster
Animation of Jupiter III Shuttle Derived LV
Shuttle-derived HLV animation (Oct 2020)
Animation of Soviet An-225 launched OOS (Buran replacement)
Nova rocket animation
HLV animation: If Rockets were Transparent
Animation of 1960s British MUSTARD RLV
Hazegrayart: CGI recreation of the N1 launch
Rombus Rocket 1960's era Reusable Rocket by Philip Bono
The DC-3 Fully Reusable Space Shuttle early Concept

From this point onward, any Hazegrayart videos and user comments will/should be posted directly to this thread rather than starting individual threads.  Enjoy.   Tony.

All new Hazegrayart post listings for this thread with embedded links

Crewed Mars Mission on Philip Bono's Mars Glider
DARPA's STAR (Spaceplane Technology and Research) Space Cruiser
Roton Rotary Rocket SSTO with Helicopter Landing
Chrysler’s Space Shuttle Proposal: the SSTO SERV and MURP
Philip Bono's Reusable Single Stage to Orbit Rocket (SSTO)
Japan's Tourism Reusable Rocket. The Kankoh-mar
Philip Bono's study of a reusable Single Stage to Orbit (SSTO)
Saturn Shuttle with Flyback Booster
Rocket Lab's Reusable Neutron Rocket Animation
The MAKS Spaceplane: Multipurpose aerospace system (Russian: МАКС)
A Transparent Soyuz Rocket Launch from Baikonur
An-325: The Giant Carrier for Britain's Interim HOTOL Spaceplane
Buran, Space Shuttle of the Soviet Union, Energia Rocket
Project Super Orion Nuclear Pulse Propulsion Interstellar Ark
Soviet Union's other Moon Rocket: UR-700A
Soviet Moon Landing an Alternative History
Up Close Personal View of an Atlas 5 Launch
SpaceX Starship Hot Staging Cinematic
Project Orion - Secret Mars Mission Powered by Nuclear BombsSea Dragon Rocket: World's Largest Reusable Rocket Concept
NASA's Lunar Outpost Heavy Lift Vehicle: The Comet Rocket
U.S. Navy SPACE CRUISER Concept - Neptune Spear   
ESA's Airbus Reusable Rocket: The Adeline   
China's Space Station "Tiangong" Fly Around   
Germany's low-cost Launch Vehicle "OTRAG"
Martin Marietta Spacemaster ShuttleSpaceX Starship Moon Profile
Dr. Hans Zarkov's rocket ship
Langley Research Center Unpressurized Crew Transport with Surface Habitat: 0605-LLPS-LaRC-2
Unconventional Liftoffs: The Hydrofoil Albatros Rocket
Von Braun's Lunar Lander
Junkers RT-8 (Saenger I) Rail Launched Space Plane
DARPA Hammerhead Space Shuttle Concept
Kliper Spaceplane: ESA-Russia Collaboration that never Materialized
The Methane Rocket Revolution is Here
Mig-105 Hypersonic Soviet Space Interceptor
R-56 Polyblock Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle
Boeing Recoverable Launch Booster
ReNova SSTO Rocket Concept Developed by Martin
The Artemis Gateway and SpaceX's Human Landing System: The Race for Return to the Moon
Energia Vulkan Moon Rocket
Saturn V "Modified Launch Vehicle"
Boeing Rocket Concepts
The Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar Spaceplane Launching on a Titan IIIC concept
Boeing Recoverable Launch Booster
Saturn V-4X(U) 1 Million Pound Payload: The Beast
Boeing's 4 Million lbs Payload Rocket (LMLV) Large Multipurpose Launch Vehicle Concept
Boeing Space Freighter Fully Reusable 420 Ton Payload Rocket Spaceplane
Boeing's Low cost Heavy Lift Vehicle VTVL SSTO "The Big Onion"
Boeing's SRB-X Space Shuttle Derived Unmanned Launch Vehicle Concept
McDonnell Douglas X-33 SSTO Reusable Launch Vehicle
SpaceX Falcon XX Super Heavy Concept
Space Shuttle Carrier Proposals
Rockwell C-1057 "Breadbox" Space Shuttle Concept

XB-70 Valkyrie Hypersonic Air Launcher  <<<  The following ADDED July 30, 2024

Other CGI Artist Contributions of Interest

Rocket Man - A KSP Cinematic
Pathfinder Shuttle Maiden Flight
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Re: Hazegrayart Master Thread
« Reply #1 on: 03/31/2023 12:21 pm »


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In the year 1960, Philip Bono, a highly specialized Space Vehicle Design Specialist affiliated with the Boeing Airplane Company, formulated a conceptualization of a pioneering manned spacecraft intended for Mars. The outward visage of this spacecraft was fashioned in a manner which exhibited similarities to the X-20A Dyna-Soar single-seat orbital glider concurrently under development at his organization on behalf of the United States Air Force. However, Bono's cerebral rendition of the Mars glider embodied noteworthy dimensional dissimilarities when compared to the Dyna-Soar -- namely, it was of an enormity that was capable of accommodating an eight-man "expeditionary force," and nearly 40 tons of supplies and equipment. The prodigious Mars glider boasted a flat-bellied physique that spanned a monumental 125 feet in length, and an impressive 95 feet across its delta wings.

The Mars glider, once fully assembled and loaded with liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen propellants, stood at a towering height of 248 feet, weighing in at an impressive 4150 tons. This colossal spacecraft was encompassed by six elongated outboard booster rockets, designed to enshroud and conceal the short booster, living module/rocket stage, and the majority of the aft portion of the glider.

Bono's original vision of the Mars glider was equipped with scientific instruments that would enable it to scrutinize the Red Planet's surface and atmosphere. This glider would harness the power of its wings to generate lift, and it would have been controlled remotely from the mother ship. The spacecraft would have been launched from a mother ship which was stationed in orbit around Mars.

Even though the Mars Glider concept never came to complete fruition nor was it ever launched, it nevertheless played a consequential role in the technological advancements of other Mars exploration technologies. Additionally, this epoch-making conceptualization inspired a plethora of forthcoming space exploration concepts.

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Re: Hazegrayart Master Thread
« Reply #2 on: 03/31/2023 01:16 pm »
I don't know how this guy is able to do this stuff. He's not selling ads, and clearly these videos are a lot of work. Truly impressive.

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Re: Hazegrayart Master Thread
« Reply #3 on: 03/31/2023 02:37 pm »
I don't know how this guy is able to do this stuff. He's not selling ads, and clearly these videos are a lot of work. Truly impressive.

I emailed him the suggestion to do the Apollo CSM Shuttle, and was not at all disappointed.
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Re: Hazegrayart Master Thread
« Reply #4 on: 04/18/2023 05:53 pm »
DARPA's STAR (Spaceplane Technology and Research) Space Cruiser

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The fundamental concept behind the STAR program was to maximize efficiency while minimizing cost. To achieve this goal, the craft was designed to be as small and inexpensive as possible, with only one crew member onboard. The crew compartment itself was unpressurized and only large enough for a seated astronaut, who would be required to remain in their spacesuit throughout the duration of the mission. Notably, the craft lacked key features such as hydraulics, an ejection seat, or even landing gear. Instead, it would utilize a parawing to glide back to Earth and touch down on land.

Despite its Spartan design, the STAR was intended to function as an orbital runabout, capable of carrying out a variety of missions. The craft was eight meters in length and only a meter and a half tall at its aft end, tapering down to a fine point at its nose. To optimize its transportability, the nose was designed to fold back at a hinge four meters down from the tip of the STAR, creating a compact package just four meters in length.

In terms of deployment, the Shuttle was expected to lift the STAR into orbit, potentially even multiple at a time, and deploy them from its cargo bay. Once in space, the STAR would set off on its designated missions, either returning to the Shuttle or making its own way back to Earth. If the STAR needed to reach higher altitudes beyond its on-board propellant capacity (which was estimated to be around 1650 kilometers), a truncated Centaur stage equipped with a single RD-10 engine - known as the Centaur-SP - could be attached to the STAR for increased thrust. This configuration would fit into the Shuttle's cargo bay, allowing for transport to geosynchronous orbit and beyond.

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« Reply #5 on: 04/19/2023 02:00 pm »
I gotta admit that this one is just bizarre. And despite the description, it's hard to understand exactly what this thing was supposed to do. Why?

I sure hope that astronaut pulled his head in before reentry, though.

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« Reply #6 on: 04/19/2023 05:08 pm »
I gotta admit that this one is just bizarre. And despite the description, it's hard to understand exactly what this thing was supposed to do. Why?
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Remember reading about something like this in a Sci-fi magazine during the 80s. Basically adapting a slight scaled up ICBM reentry vehicle for nukes to be a crew capable reentry vehicle. The flight characteristics of the reentry vehicle is well understood and tested.

IMO, the vehicle could be use as a supplemental lifeboat for a space station in LEO. Of course you will need some kind of EVA suits for the whole crew. Which means you could use this vehicle as lifeboats on the Shuttle.

The use of the vehicle docked to the cut down Centaur is more interesting. In theory you could use it to transfer between the Shuttle in LEO and an orbital platform in a higher orbit. It will be cheap since the flight controls are presumably in the Centaur and no other modifications is required other than more consumables for the single crew. Think there is enough delta-V left in the Centaur for a reentry burn after reaching the higher orbital platform.

Of course the vehicle concept is a bit crazy.

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Re: Hazegrayart Master Thread
« Reply #7 on: 04/19/2023 05:45 pm »
I gotta admit that this one is just bizarre. And despite the description, it's hard to understand exactly what this thing was supposed to do. Why?

I sure hope that astronaut pulled his head in before reentry, though.

That 60g reentry load on a typical ICBM RV is probably a bit uncomfortable for that guy, too.

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« Reply #8 on: 04/19/2023 06:22 pm »
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« Reply #9 on: 04/19/2023 06:48 pm »
I gotta admit that this one is just bizarre. And despite the description, it's hard to understand exactly what this thing was supposed to do. Why?

I sure hope that astronaut pulled his head in before reentry, though.

That 60g reentry load on a typical ICBM RV is probably a bit uncomfortable for that guy, too.

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« Reply #10 on: 04/19/2023 06:55 pm »
Remember reading about something like this in a Sci-fi magazine during the 80s. Basically adapting a slight scaled up ICBM reentry vehicle for nukes to be a crew capable reentry vehicle. The flight characteristics of the reentry vehicle is well understood and tested.

IMO, the vehicle could be use as a supplemental lifeboat for a space station in LEO. Of course you will need some kind of EVA suits for the whole crew. Which means you could use this vehicle as lifeboats on the Shuttle.

The use of the vehicle docked to the cut down Centaur is more interesting. In theory you could use it to transfer between the Shuttle in LEO and an orbital platform in a higher orbit. It will be cheap since the flight controls are presumably in the Centaur and no other modifications is required other than more consumables for the single crew. Think there is enough delta-V left in the Centaur for a reentry burn after reaching the higher orbital platform.

Of course the vehicle concept is a bit crazy.

I will acknowledge that because this was never built, they never successfully answered the "why" question to the point where they convinced somebody it had value.

But it's really mystifying that this was even proposed. Was there any requirement at all that was even slightly relevant to this? I cannot think of one. If you need to move astronauts to a different orbit, then you design a vehicle for that. You wouldn't also need to bring them back to Earth on that same vehicle. It just seems too wild even for a comic book explanation.

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« Reply #11 on: 04/20/2023 04:57 am »
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If you need to move astronauts to a different orbit, then you design a vehicle for that. You wouldn't also need to bring them back to Earth on that same vehicle.
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Consider how much and how long developing some sort of crew rated pressurized space tug will take when the DARPA STAR concept was published. Kinda doubt that funding can be found for the space tug during that period while paying for the Shuttle program.

As for bring the astronauts back from a higher orbit to a lower orbit than transferring to a Shuttle going back to Earth. You need a crew rated space tug. Plus the Shuttle is very expensive to use as a LEO Crew taxi and only have about 2 weeks of operational time in LEO before the fuel cell commodities are exhausted.

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Re: Hazegrayart Master Thread
« Reply #12 on: 04/21/2023 07:51 am »
This is an old one that Steven Pietrobon found and posted in another thread.

Roton Rotary Rocket SSTO with Helicopter Landing

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Rotary Rocket Company was a rocketry company that developed the Roton concept in the late 1990s as a fully reusable single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO) crewed spacecraft with a rotating annular aerospike engine to pump fuel and oxidizer to the rim by the rotation and a helicopter rotor on top used for landing.
The design was initially conceived by Bevin McKinney, who shared it with Gary Hudson.



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« Reply #13 on: 04/21/2023 07:55 am »
This is one of my all-time favorites and has over 4Million hits.  Way over-the-top concept. Enjoy

Chrysler’s Space Shuttle Proposal: the SSTO SERV and MURP

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Chrysler Aerospace was already contracted for the Saturn 1 and 1B First Stage so in 1971
they proposed an alternate shuttle program, the SERV and MURP
 
SERV: the Single-stage Earth-orbital Reusable Vehicle had a 53 metric ton payload in a  7m x 18m payload bay 
12 LH2/LOX aerospike engines were arranged around the rim of the base, covered by movable metal shields
Jet Engines, which were fired just prior to touchdown in order to slow the descent


MURP, the Manned Upper-stage Reusable Payload
The MURP was based on the HL-10 lifting body (Six Million Dollar Man test Vehicle) and a Larger Versionone larger (the D-34) could carry up to ten passengers

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Re: Hazegrayart Master Thread
« Reply #14 on: 04/21/2023 08:01 am »
Here is an SSTO concept from Douglas Aircraft

Philip Bono's Reusable Single Stage to Orbit Rocket (SSTO)

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Douglas Aircraft's SASSTO, short for "Saturn Application Single Stage to Orbit", was a single-stage to orbit (SSTO) reusable launch system designed by Philip Bono's team in 1967. SASSTO was a study in minimalist designs, a launcher with the specific intent of repeatedly placing a Gemini capsule in orbit for the lowest possible cost. The SASSTO booster was based on the layout of the S-IVB upper stage from the Saturn family, modified with a plug nozzle.

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« Reply #15 on: 04/30/2023 01:13 pm »


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Japan's Tourism Reusable Rocket. The Kankoh-maru (観光丸, Kankōmaru)

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Kankoh-maru is a single-stage reusable orbital passenger aircraft is a proposed vertical takeoff and landing (VTVL), single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO), reusable launch system that has been studied by the Japanese Rocket Society since 1993.
According to a document from July 1997, it would have been manufactured by Kawasaki Heavy Industries and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.

The passenger capacity is 50, which is the same as that of a sightseeing bus, and the crew is a pilot and a stewardess, 2 each. The rooms are two-story, with the seats facing outwards and circular so that all passengers can sit and look out the window. The cockpit and the entrance to the space hotel are on the 2nd floor, and the 2 entrances and exits for takeoff and landing and the toilet are on the 1st floor. The weightless swimming space is a stairwell on the 1st and 2nd floors and has large windows. The entrance on the 2nd floor is doubled, and you can do outside activities if you wear a space suit.

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Re: Hazegrayart Master Thread
« Reply #16 on: 05/09/2023 07:54 am »
Here is one video posted six months ago.



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Philip Bono's study of a reusable Single Stage to Orbit (SSTO)
The Douglas Aircraft Reusable One-Stage Orbital Space Truck (ROOST)

The reentry and recovery system for the ROOST booster would gradually deploy and inflate with hot gases to gently land like a hot air balloon.

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« Reply #17 on: 05/14/2023 09:10 am »
Saturn Shuttle with Flyback Booster

originally posted by FutureSpaceTourist

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https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54564.0
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« Reply #18 on: 05/15/2023 07:47 am »
Rocket Lab's Reusable Neutron Rocket Animation



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Neutron is a medium-lift two-stage launch vehicle under development by Rocket Lab. The vehicle is being designed to be capable of delivering an 8,000 kg (17,600 lb) payload to low Earth orbit in a reusable configuration and will focus on the growing mega constellation satellite delivery market. The vehicle is expected to be operational sometime in 2024. It uses LOX and liquid methane propellant on both stages of the vehicle.

On 28 February 2022, Rocket Lab announced that Neutron will launch from the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport (MARS) within NASA's Wallops Flight Facility on the eastern coast of Virginia. It was also announced that the company will build a 250,000 square feet manufacturing and operations facility adjacent to the Wallops Flight Facility.  The ground was broken for this facility on 11 April 2022. As of December 2021, Rocket Lab is planning for the first launch to take place no earlier than 2024.

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« Reply #19 on: 05/15/2023 09:41 am »


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The MAKS Spaceplane: Multipurpose aerospace system (Russian: МАКС)

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The MAKS (Multipurpose aerospace system) (Russian: МАКС (Многоцелевая авиационно-космическая система)) was a Soviet air-launched reusable launch system project that was proposed in 1988, but cancelled in 1991.  An offshoot of the  ENERGIA-BURAN program it had two RD-701 rocket tri-propellant engines based on RD-170 engine from the first stage of ENERGIA rocket and using an Antonov An-225 as a  mobile launch platform

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« Reply #20 on: 05/15/2023 10:08 am »
Just a quick note to NSF members, for any old or new Hazegrayart videos posted in this thread,  I will also update the initial thread post with a reference link to enable viewers to quickly find videos and to eliminate any possible duplications.

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« Reply #21 on: 05/15/2023 09:37 pm »
A Transparent Soyuz Rocket Launch from Baikonur



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The Soyuz rocket, a legendary figure in the history of space travel, is a family of expendable launch systems crafted by Russia's premier space agency, Roscosmos. Since its inception in the swinging 60s, this formidable rocket has undergone numerous improvements and has established itself as one of the most widely used and trusted space launch vehicles in the world.

With its versatility and dependability, the Soyuz has launched missions for a diverse array of organizations and nations, including the Soviet Union, Russia, the European Space Agency, and even NASA. Whether it's carrying crew and cargo to low Earth orbit, or transporting astronauts to the International Space Station, the Soyuz has proven its worth time and time again.

Fueling this rocket's success is its power source: a mixture of liquid oxygen (LOX) and kerosene. The Soyuz's first stage boasts four liquid-fueled engines, while its second stage is powered by a solitary engine. The third and final stage employs a solid-fueled engine. This fuel combination, which has been utilized in many early and contemporary rockets, is known for its high energy output, making it the ideal choice for spacecraft propulsion systems. The efficiency, affordability, and reliability of the LOX and kerosene combination have made it a staple in various space programs, including the Soyuz rocket.
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« Reply #22 on: 05/16/2023 12:18 pm »
This is one of my all-time favorites and has over 4Million hits.  Way over-the-top concept. Enjoy

Chrysler’s Space Shuttle Proposal: the SSTO SERV and MURP

Jun 3, 2020
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Chrysler Aerospace was already contracted for the Saturn 1 and 1B First Stage so in 1971
they proposed an alternate shuttle program, the SERV and MURP
 
SERV: the Single-stage Earth-orbital Reusable Vehicle had a 53 metric ton payload in a  7m x 18m payload bay 
12 LH2/LOX aerospike engines were arranged around the rim of the base, covered by movable metal shields
Jet Engines, which were fired just prior to touchdown in order to slow the descent


MURP, the Manned Upper-stage Reusable Payload
The MURP was based on the HL-10 lifting body (Six Million Dollar Man test Vehicle) and a Larger Versionone larger (the D-34) could carry up to ten passengers



Love this concept. I would make starship look like this (but without HL-10, LH2, jets and aerospikes).
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« Reply #23 on: 05/16/2023 08:49 pm »
Compared to nice, sleak, aerodynamic cylindrical rockets, the fat capsule shape looks dumb… BUT physics doesn’t *always* care if something is elegant or not, and at a large enough scale the aerodynamic drag isn’t a problem in spite of being fat. :)

There is some appeal to it…
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« Reply #24 on: 05/17/2023 08:04 am »
Compared to nice, sleak, aerodynamic cylindrical rockets, the fat capsule shape looks dumb… BUT physics doesn’t *always* care if something is elegant or not, and at a large enough scale the aerodynamic drag isn’t a problem in spite of being fat. :)

There is some appeal to it…
There will likely be very few "fat" rocket hardware, if any. Just how do you move a "fat" rocket core like for example with a travel cross section of 20 meter wide and 40 meters high around on land? Will need new transport infrastructure with any new "fat" rocket.

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« Reply #25 on: 05/17/2023 02:26 pm »
Compared to nice, sleak, aerodynamic cylindrical rockets, the fat capsule shape looks dumb… BUT physics doesn’t *always* care if something is elegant or not, and at a large enough scale the aerodynamic drag isn’t a problem in spite of being fat. :)

There is some appeal to it…
There will likely be very few "fat" rocket hardware, if any. Just how do you move a "fat" rocket core like for example with a travel cross section of 20 meter wide and 40 meters high around on land? Will need new transport infrastructure with any new "fat" rocket.
I can think of 2 land based vehicles that would move a 20 meter wide rocket with ease. (they could actually move 2 20m meter rockets side by side with 1 meter to spare)  There's even a parking garage with powered door mechanisms, but you must enjoy Florida.  As such, your point is valid.
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« Reply #26 on: 05/17/2023 02:37 pm »
Compared to nice, sleak, aerodynamic cylindrical rockets, the fat capsule shape looks dumb… BUT physics doesn’t *always* care if something is elegant or not, and at a large enough scale the aerodynamic drag isn’t a problem in spite of being fat. :)

There is some appeal to it…
There will likely be very few "fat" rocket hardware, if any. Just how do you move a "fat" rocket core like for example with a travel cross section of 20 meter wide and 40 meters high around on land? Will need new transport infrastructure with any new "fat" rocket.
If you have wide roadways (e.g. the crawlerways at KSC), you can use SPMTs. You won't move those big items long distance over land, but this is true of a great many different items in this world.

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« Reply #27 on: 05/18/2023 03:36 pm »


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The HOTOL (Horizontal Take-Off and Landing) project aimed to develop a British unmanned re-usable spacecraft similar to the American Space Shuttle and Soviet Buran. It intended to be a single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO) craft capable of operating from runways. HOTOL planned to use a unique propulsion system that acted as both an airbreathing jet engine and a rocket engine.

Alan Bond, a rocketry engineer, researched an airbreathing rocket engine concept in 1982. His idea addressed the challenge of carrying propellant onboard SSTO vehicles by using external atmospheric oxygen, combined with liquid hydrogen, for thrust until reaching Mach 5.5. Afterward, it would switch to conventional rocket mode using liquid oxygen.

In 1985, Rolls Royce acquired Bond's engine rights and collaborated with British Aerospace (BAe) on the HOTOL project. However, difficulties arose due to the mismatch between the center of pressure and gravity during flight. The British government withdrew support in 1988, leading to the project's cancellation.

Nonetheless, in 1990, the project experienced a resurgence when BAe approached the Soviet Union with a proposal to launch a derivative of HOTOL by piggybacking aboard the massive Antonov An-225 transport aircraft. This derivative, known as the Interim HOTOL, would forego the complex RB545 engines in favor of conventional rockets supplied by Russia. The Interim HOTOL would be mounted atop the An-225, originally designed to carry the Buran space shuttle, and ascend to an altitude of approximately 29,500 ft (9,000 m). Once released, the Interim HOTOL would ignite its rocket engines and be propelled into orbit while carrying a payload of 4.5 tons.

Antonov also explored the development of an enhanced derivative of the An-225, called the An-325, equipped with two additional engines to accommodate a larger payload and potentially launch a larger version of HOTOL or a Russian vehicle. Unfortunately, the Interim HOTOL fared no better than its predecessor and was discontinued in 1992 due to a lack of interest from both the European Space Agency (ESA) and the UK government.

The HOTOL project showcased ambition and innovation but faced challenges in achieving its goals. Nonetheless, it contributed to subsequent developments such as Skylon, as the quest for efficient and cost-effective space transportation continues.

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« Reply #28 on: 05/18/2023 10:02 pm »
As a follow-up to the HOTOL Hazegrayart video above here is more background information detailing the project and the engine in the following videos:

HOTOL - Spaceplane of the future



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HOTOL was a 1980s British project to build a totally reusable Space Shuttle. The project was cancelled and as it existed in the pre-internet age it's hard to find information about it.

Whilst I was making my Spaceplanes video I came across a HOTOL brochure from 1985. I thought I would go through it and give an overview of this extremely interesting project.

HOTOL - Anatomy of a spaceplane engine



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HOTOL was a 1980s British project to build a totally reusable Space Shuttle. The project was cancelled and as it existed in the pre-internet age it's hard to find information about it.

In this video, with the aid of an original patent, I go back to basics to explain how HOTOL's unique rocket engine would have worked.
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« Reply #29 on: 05/20/2023 08:24 pm »
Buran, Space Shuttle of the Soviet Union, Energia Rocket



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The only orbital launch of a Buran-class orbiter occurred at 03:00:02 UTC on 15 November 1988 from Baikonur Cosmodrome launch pad 110/37.[3][5] Buran was lifted into space, on an unmanned mission, by the specially designed Energia rocket. The automated launch sequence was performed as specified, and the Energia rocket lifted the vehicle into a temporary orbit before the orbiter separated as programmed. After boosting itself to a higher orbit and completing two orbits around the Earth, the ODU  engines fired automatically to begin the descent into the atmosphere, return to the launch site, and horizontal landing on a runway.
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« Reply #30 on: 06/02/2023 11:52 pm »
Project Super Orion Nuclear Pulse Propulsion Interstellar Ark

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Project Orion was a study of a starship intended to be directly propelled by a series of explosions of atomic bombs behind the craft (nuclear pulse propulsion)

The project was eventually abandoned for multiple reasons such as the Partial Test Ban Treaty which banned nuclear explosions in space as well as concerns over nuclear fallout.

The biggest design was the "Super" Orion design; at 8 million tons, 7250000000 Kilograms it could easily be a city.

 One design proposed by Freeman Dyson for the "Super Orion" called for the pusher plate to be composed primarily of uranium or a transuranic element so that upon reaching a nearby star system the plate could be converted to nuclear fuel.



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The regular UR-700 had a payload capacity of 151 tons to Earth orbit, surpassing both the N1 (97 tons) and the American Saturn-5 (127 tons). Additionally, Chelomei's engineers developed a larger follow-on version called Skhema "A" (Configuration "A"), which incorporated nuclear engines. This configuration featured a solid-core nuclear reactor and increased the payload capacity to as much as 250 tons into Earth orbit.

The first two stages of the UR-700 with the "A" variant propulsion were similar to the regular UR-700. The six boosters in the first stage fed their own engines and simultaneously refueled the three boosters of the second stage. This ensured that the second stage had full tanks when it took over the powered ascent after the separation of the first stage.

The "atomic" version of the UR-700 included third and fourth stages developed from scratch, equipped with RO-31 nuclear engines (also known as RD-0411). These engines burned cryogenic liquid hydrogen or liquid methane and produced a thrust of 40 tons. The third stage featured seven RO-31 engines, while the fourth stage had three. The third stage could be responsible for sending a spacecraft on an escape trajectory from Earth orbit, while the fourth stage could perform a braking maneuver near the Moon or Mars.

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The LK  was a lunar module (lunar lander designed for human spaceflight) developed in the 1960s as a part of several Soviet crewed lunar programs. Its role was analogous to the American Apollo Lunar Module (LM). Three LK modules, of the T2K variant, were flown without crew in Earth orbit, but no LK ever reached the Moon. The development of the N1 launch vehicle required for the lunar flight suffered setbacks (including several launch failures), and the first Moon landings were achieved by US astronauts on Apollo 11. As a result, having lost the Space Race, both the N1 and the LK programs were cancelled without any further development.

Sergei Korolev, the lead Soviet rocket engineer and spacecraft designer during the 1950s and 1960s, planned to adopt the same lunar orbit rendezvous concept as seen in the Apollo program. The lunar expedition spacecraft L3 was to consist of a Soyuz 7K-L3 Command Ship (a variant of the Soyuz) and an LK Lander. L3 would carry a two-man crew atop a single three-stage superheavy N-1 booster. A fourth stage, the Blok G, would push the L3 (LOK+LK) toward the Moon, with the Blok D as a fifth stage.


LK compared to the Apollo Lunar Module

Because the payload capacity of the N1 rocket was only 95 tons to LEO, versus the Saturn V's 140 tons to LEO, the LK was created to be less bulky than the Apollo Lunar Module (LM):

It had a different landing profile

It was lighter at only one-third the mass of the LM

Initially, the LK was to have carried a single cosmonaut. A later variant would have a two-man crew; the LM took two

It had no docking tunnel like the LM's; the cosmonaut would spacewalk from the LOK (Soyuz 7K-L3) to the LK and back
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« Reply #33 on: 06/05/2023 07:06 am »


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Before the Stratolaunch was ever conceived, the Tupolev Bureau proposed a fully reusable replacement for the Buran Space Shuttle
The "OOS" Which stood for Odnostupenchati Orbitalni Samolyot, (one-stage orbital plane)

Like the Stratolaunch system, The shuttle would ride under the  Aerospace Transport System (AKS) A Dual fuselage version of the Antonov An-225 with between 24 and 40 Jet Engines
The OSS would have a weight of 675 tons and the AKS would have a weight of 1000 tons for a total of around 1600 tons.

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« Reply #34 on: 06/06/2023 07:40 pm »
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« Reply #35 on: 06/19/2023 02:54 am »


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The Atlas V rocket is a launch vehicle developed and manufactured by United Launch Alliance (ULA), a joint venture between Boeing and Lockheed Martin. It is designed to deliver payloads into space for both government and commercial customers. The Atlas V has been in service since 2002 and has a strong track record of successful launches.

Here are some key features and capabilities of the Atlas V rocket:

Configurations: The Atlas V is available in several different configurations, which vary based on the number of solid rocket boosters (SRBs) and the type of Centaur upper stage used. The most common configurations include the Atlas V 401, 411, 421, and 551.

Two-Stage Rocket: The Atlas V is a two-stage rocket, meaning it has two distinct stages stacked on top of each other. The first stage is powered by a Russian-built RD-180 engine, which burns a highly efficient combination of kerosene (RP-1) and liquid oxygen (LOX). The second stage is powered by the RL10 engine, which uses liquid hydrogen (LH2) and liquid oxygen (LOX) as propellants.

Payload Fairing: The rocket's payload is encapsulated in a protective fairing, which shields the payload during the ascent through the atmosphere. The fairing comes in two different diameters: 4 meters (13.1 feet) and 5.4 meters (17.7 feet), depending on the payload requirements.

Flexibility: The Atlas V is known for its versatility and can deliver a wide range of payloads to various orbits, including low Earth orbit (LEO), geostationary transfer orbit (GTO), and beyond. It has been used to launch satellites for communications, weather monitoring, scientific research, national security, and more.

Reliability: The Atlas V has established a strong reputation for reliability and has achieved a high success rate throughout its operational history. It has been used for numerous critical missions, including launching spacecraft to Mars, delivering satellites to orbit, and supporting national security missions.
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« Reply #36 on: 06/22/2023 04:47 am »
Mach 6 Nuclear Powered 600 Seat Jetliner

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Fireflash is an advanced supersonic airliner with impressive specifications.

Speed: Fireflash is capable of reaching Mach 6 supersonic speeds, allowing for faster-than-sound travel.

Passenger Capacity: Nuclear Powered 600 Seat Jetliner

Range: The range of Fireflash is portrayed as a long-haul aircraft capable of traveling significant distances.

Defensive Systems: Fireflash is equipped with defensive systems to counter threats, including anti-missile countermeasures and a reinforced hull.

Advanced Avionics: The aircraft features advanced avionics and navigation systems to ensure safe and efficient travel.
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« Reply #37 on: 06/24/2023 01:00 am »
What Will Our Moon Look Like in the Future

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Our moon makes Earth a more livable planet by moderating our home planet's wobble on its axis, leading to a relatively stable climate, and creating a tidal rhythm that has guided humans for thousands of years. The moon was likely formed after a Mars-sized body collided with Earth and the debris formed into the most prominent feature in our night sky. It is the only celestial a body beyond Earth that has been visited by human beings.

Earth's Moon is the fifth largest of the 200+ moons orbiting planets in our solar system.

Distance from the Earth: About 239,000 miles.

"Year" (time to orbit the Earth): About 27 Earth days.

Day: About 27 Earth days.

Minimum temperature: -387 degrees Fahrenheit.

Maximum temperature: 253 degrees Fahrenheit.

Earth's only natural satellite is simply called "the Moon" because people didn't know other moons existed until Galileo Galilei discovered four moons orbiting Jupiter in 1610.




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« Reply #38 on: 07/04/2023 08:39 pm »
SpaceX Starship Hot Staging Cinematic



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SpaceX Starship, a remarkable creation from the visionary private space exploration company founded by Elon Musk, is an extraordinary feat of engineering that embodies the limitless potential of human ingenuity. The Starship represents a pioneering concept in space travel, providing an advanced, fully reusable transportation system designed to propel both crew and cargo beyond the frontiers of Earth's orbit and enable unparalleled point-to-point travel on our planet.

This awe-inspiring spacecraft comprises two distinct but interdependent components: the powerful Super Heavy booster and the sleek, futuristic Starship spacecraft. The Super Heavy booster serves as the initial thrust mechanism that catapults the Starship spacecraft into orbit, while the Starship spacecraft itself is responsible for carrying both crew and cargo to their intended extraterrestrial destinations.

Fashioned out of the ultra-durable stainless steel, the Starship spacecraft is a masterful creation of technological sophistication that can carry up to 100 people and accommodate a staggering payload capacity of up to 150 metric tons. The spacecraft boasts a bevy of cutting-edge features, including robust engines and state-of-the-art avionics systems that guarantee the utmost safety and precision in the spacecraft's landings on various extraterrestrial surfaces.

SpaceX's relentless commitment to innovation and progress is evident in their extensive testing of the Starship prototype at their launch facility in South Texas. The company envisions a future where the Starship spacecraft serves as a vital tool for humanity's exploration of the Moon and Mars, as well as facilitating commercial point-to-point travel on our planet. With the Starship, SpaceX hopes to expand the horizons of space travel, making it more accessible and affordable for everyone and ushering in a new era of human achievement and exploration.

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« Reply #39 on: 07/05/2023 04:06 am »
What Will Our Moon Look Like in the Future

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Our moon makes Earth a more livable planet by moderating our home planet's wobble on its axis, leading to a relatively stable climate, and creating a tidal rhythm that has guided humans for thousands of years. The moon was likely formed after a Mars-sized body collided with Earth and the debris formed into the most prominent feature in our night sky. It is the only celestial a body beyond Earth that has been visited by human beings.

Earth's Moon is the fifth largest of the 200+ moons orbiting planets in our solar system.

Distance from the Earth: About 239,000 miles.

"Year" (time to orbit the Earth): About 27 Earth days.

Day: About 27 Earth days.

Minimum temperature: -387 degrees Fahrenheit.

Maximum temperature: 253 degrees Fahrenheit.

Earth's only natural satellite is simply called "the Moon" because people didn't know other moons existed until Galileo Galilei discovered four moons orbiting Jupiter in 1610.

Think the lit up areas of the Moon in the future will be much dimmer than in Hazegrayart's video. The sensible thing to do is go underground for radiation protection and thermal stability. So Lunar top side infrastructure will likely be minimal. ;)

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Think the lit up areas of the Moon in the future will be much dimmer than in Hazegrayart's video. The sensible thing to do is go underground for radiation protection and thermal stability. So Lunar top side infrastructure will likely be minimal. ;)


Agree,  for radiation protection perhaps on the back side (away from the sun), but then it's too cold. Underground seems to be the way to go unless you're one of those: "Inhumans".   ;)
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« Reply #41 on: 07/05/2023 04:49 pm »

Think the lit up areas of the Moon in the future will be much dimmer than in Hazegrayart's video. The sensible thing to do is go underground for radiation protection and thermal stability. So Lunar top side infrastructure will likely be minimal. ;)

And I've always thought that's one of the great ironies about concepts for space settlement--go all the way to the Moon or Mars, and then live in a cave. I mean, if you want to live in a cave, you can easily do that on Earth.


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« Reply #42 on: 07/05/2023 04:58 pm »

Think the lit up areas of the Moon in the future will be much dimmer than in Hazegrayart's video. The sensible thing to do is go underground for radiation protection and thermal stability. So Lunar top side infrastructure will likely be minimal. ;)

And I've always thought that's one of the great ironies about concepts for space settlement--go all the way to the Moon or Mars, and then live in a cave. I mean, if you want to live in a cave, you can easily do that on Earth.
Yet settle Mars crowd think millions will want to do that for rest of their days.  Lockdown has give people a taste of living permanently indoors.
On Moon have option to rotate back to earth on regular basis which is likely to be case for an industrial base their.

 

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« Reply #43 on: 07/05/2023 06:23 pm »
Yet settle Mars crowd think millions will want to do that for rest of their days. 

Well, you might have a really great view of the surface through a tiny porthole, or a periscope.


Lockdown has give people a taste of living permanently indoors. 

And it's been great, huh?


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« Reply #44 on: 07/05/2023 06:54 pm »
Not needed for the most part. Radiation level on the surface of Mars is no higher than in ISS. People could live almost their whole adult lives on Mars going outside as often as the average American and still have less risk to their health than smoking cigarettes.
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« Reply #45 on: 07/05/2023 10:23 pm »
Not needed for the most part. Radiation level on the surface of Mars is no higher than in ISS. People could live almost their whole adult lives on Mars going outside as often as the average American and still have less risk to their health than smoking cigarettes.
What are they going to do outside in a spacesuit?. For exploring rover will be quicker both to enter and travel.

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« Reply #46 on: 07/06/2023 10:24 am »
Think the lit up areas of the Moon in the future will be much dimmer than in Hazegrayart's video. The sensible thing to do is go underground for radiation protection and thermal stability. So Lunar top side infrastructure will likely be minimal. ;)

My thought was that the lunar settlements would actually be invisible during the lunar night. The kind of lighting seen in the video is what we have here on Earth, the result of centuries of thoughtless surface illumination. Lunar settlements, by definition, would be planned and balance actual lighting requirements with resource utilization. Wasting kilo- or megawatts of power sending light skywards for no reason would not happen. Assuming there was surface lighting at all, it would be directed only toward the areas where it was actually needed. Remember, there are no clouds on the Moon so, except for near the poles or during a lunar eclipse, earthlight  would be a constantly available resource during most of the lunar night on the side facing the Earth. Even during a lunar eclipse the Earth's atmosphere would be bending light towards the moon. Any artificial lighting would only need to augment the existing natural light.

Another problem I have with that video is that the lighting patterns seem to be showing atmospheric fuzzing effects seen on orbital photos of the Earth.

I'm putting this one into the nice try category, though it will probably show up in future sci-fi productions.

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« Reply #47 on: 07/06/2023 03:13 pm »
Not needed for the most part. Radiation level on the surface of Mars is no higher than in ISS. People could live almost their whole adult lives on Mars going outside as often as the average American and still have less risk to their health than smoking cigarettes.
What are they going to do outside in a spacesuit?. For exploring rover will be quicker both to enter and travel.
Sure. But I assume this is something people would want to do. And I don’t think the current EVA process will be unchanged. More like technical diving and less the bulky suit used now.
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« Reply #48 on: 07/07/2023 09:52 pm »
I must have missed this as it was originally posted 4 years ago and a shorter version was posted today, so here it is a bit late but always fun to watch.

Project Orion: Secret Mars Mission Powered by Nuclear Bombs

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Project Orion was a Supper Heavy Lift Spacecraft intended to be directly propelled by a series of explosions of atomic bombs behind the craft. This is a 10 Meter version with Eight astronauts, with around 100 tons of equipment and supplies, which could have made a round trip to Mars in 125 days. The biggest design is the "super" Orion design; at 8 million tonnes, it could easily be a city.

And yes, there is no sound in space.




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« Reply #49 on: 07/10/2023 09:45 am »
Here is another one I must have missed.  It was originally posted 4 years ago and a shorter version was posted today, so here it is a bit late but always fun to watch.

Sea Dragon Rocket: World's Largest Reusable Rocket Concept

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The Sea Dragon rocket was a proposed heavy-lift launch vehicle designed by Robert Truax in the 1960s. While it never flew, the Sea Dragon rocket remains one of the largest and most ambitious launch vehicle concepts ever conceived.

Here are some key details about the Sea Dragon rocket:

Size and Payload: The Sea Dragon rocket was designed to be enormous, standing at a height of about 150 meters (500 feet) and having a diameter of 23 meters (76 feet). It was intended to launch payloads of up to 550 metric tons (1.2 million pounds) into low Earth orbit (LEO), which is significantly more than any rocket that has ever been successfully launched.

Unique Design: The Sea Dragon rocket was distinctive due to its unconventional construction method. It was planned to be built in two stages. The first stage would be constructed underwater and integrated with the launch platform. Once completed, the entire structure would be floated to the launch site, and the second stage would be attached on top.

Propulsion: The Sea Dragon rocket would have used a combination of liquid oxygen (LOX) and kerosene (RP-1) as propellants. The first stage was planned to use multiple engines, possibly derived from the F-1 engines used on the Saturn V rocket, while the second stage would have used a single large engine.

Purpose and Potential: The Sea Dragon rocket was intended to significantly reduce the cost of accessing space by leveraging the economy of scale. By launching massive payloads, it aimed to make space transportation more cost-effective. It was envisioned to be used for various purposes, including the launch of space station modules, lunar missions, and even manned missions to Mars.

Despite the impressive design, the Sea Dragon rocket never progressed beyond the conceptual stage. It faces numerous technical and logistical challenges, including the difficulty of transporting such a large vehicle by sea, the absence of appropriate launch facilities, and the uncertainties associated with its construction and operation.

While the Sea Dragon rocket remains an intriguing concept, it serves as a reminder of the engineering complexities involved in building and launching extremely large launch vehicles.

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« Reply #50 on: 07/14/2023 07:09 pm »
NASA's Lunar Outpost Heavy Lift Vehicle: The Comet Rocket

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The Comet Rocket is a proposed super heavy-lift launch vehicle (HLLV) designed for NASA's First Lunar Outpost Program (FLO) from a 1992-1993 Space Exploration Initiative. It was a Saturn V-derived launch vehicle with modernized engines, stretched fuel tanks, and strap-on boosters



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« Reply #51 on: 07/24/2023 08:45 pm »
U.S. Navy SPACE CRUISER Concept - Neptune Spear

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In a future where space exploration is the next frontier, Project Neptune Spear stands at the forefront of revolutionary Navy concepts. Spearheading this bold initiative is a highly classified joint effort between the U.S. Navy and space agencies, aiming to deploy a space capsule atop a Trident missile launched from an SSBN submarine.

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Project Neptune Spear seeks to leverage the Navy's expertise in submarine-launched ballistic missiles and extend its capabilities beyond conventional terrestrial targets. The primary objective is to demonstrate rapid and covert deployment of satellites, scientific instruments, and crewed missions into Low Earth Orbit (LEO) and beyond while maintaining global strategic deterrence with Trident missile capabilities.

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Trident SSBN Submarine:
The cornerstone of Project Neptune Spear is an advanced, stealthy Ohio-class submarine modified for space launch operations. The Trident SSBN (Submarine Ballistic Missile Nuclear-powered) submarine is equipped with cutting-edge technologies to accommodate the launch, integration, and preparation of the SPACE CRUISER. The submarine's existing launch tubes are adapted to securely house the space capsule, ensuring a stable launch platform.

SPACE CRUISER:
The SPACE CRUISER is a state-of-the-art spacecraft designed for crewed missions. It boasts a streamlined and aerodynamic shape to minimize drag during ascent and re-entry. The capsule is capable of carrying astronauts, scientific payloads, or satellites into space. Advanced life support systems provide a safe environment for extended missions.

Advanced Launch System (ALS):
The Advanced Launch System is a series of modifications to the Trident missile that enables it to carry and deploy the SPACE CRUISER into space. Additionally, the missile's propulsion system is optimized to ensure a smooth transition from submarine launch to space.





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« Reply #52 on: 07/25/2023 01:57 pm »
Great video, ridiculous concept. I love these silly what-if videos.

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« Reply #53 on: 07/25/2023 04:17 pm »
Great video, ridiculous concept. I love these silly what-if videos.

This "Space Cruiser" concept was created in the 1980s, but I think there is only a very thin document about it--maybe a couple of pages illustrating it. No explanation or anything. It's totally ridiculous and I never understood what the heck the thing was supposed to do, let alone why you needed a person in there. It's like a comic book idea thought up by a 13-year-old boy.

You could make a long list of how many things are wrong/dubious for this:

-would you really want a big thing like that sticking up out of the sub? How would that affect maneuverability of the sub?

-that reentry vehicle is going to be directly exposed to the sea? Is that a good idea?

-the astronaut climbs inside with the sub on the surface, and then the sub dives?

-how does this thing find the target with any precision while out at sea for launch?

-the astronaut sticks his head out and attaches a grenade to the enemy satellite?

The acronym WTAF keeps coming up in my head.


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« Reply #54 on: 07/26/2023 09:14 am »
Great video, ridiculous concept. I love these silly what-if videos.
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You could make a long list of how many things are wrong/dubious for this:

-would you really want a big thing like that sticking up out of the sub? How would that affect maneuverability of the sub?

-that reentry vehicle is going to be directly exposed to the sea? Is that a good idea?

-the astronaut climbs inside with the sub on the surface, and then the sub dives?

-how does this thing find the target with any precision while out at sea for launch?

-the astronaut sticks his head out and attaches a grenade to the enemy satellite?
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For your edification.

The sub is an Ohio class boomer.  It more or less drifts underwater at shallow depth with the ocean currents most of the time. I consider the DARPA's STAR to be less of an obstruction to the sub's maneuverability than a carrying a DSRV (deep-submergence rescue vehicle) behind the sail on the top deck of the U.S.S. Jimmy Carter.

AIUI the when a ballistic missile is ejected underwater from a submarine silo it is exposed to sea water. AFAIK almost all strategic ballistic missiles deployed aboard a boomer sub can only ignites their motor after clearing the ocean surface and the water plume from the ejection.

The orbit of the targeted satellite is known not long after it's launch. Presumably it will be treated as any other targets on the sub's target list with updated orbital data when the launch order is transmitted to the sub. Think the Space Cruiser have the same mid-course guidance package as the reentry vehicles with the nukes with the Astronaut as terminal guidance.

The Astronaut is deploying a magnetic shaped-charged demolition charge likely with a adhesive coating on the business end.

As stated up thread the concept for the DARPA's STAR is bit crazy. Why Astronaut is required for the mission concept is that robotics and avionics hadn't advanced enough to replaced the Astronaut at the time the concept was conceived.





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« Reply #55 on: 07/26/2023 10:05 am »
Great video, ridiculous concept. I love these silly what-if videos.
I 2nd that. Thanks Hazygray.

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« Reply #56 on: 07/26/2023 10:20 am »
For your edification.

The sub is an Ohio class boomer.  It more or less drifts underwater at shallow depth with the ocean currents most of the time. I consider the DARPA's STAR to be less of an obstruction to the sub's maneuverability than a carrying a DSRV (deep-submergence rescue vehicle) behind the sail on the top deck of the U.S.S. Jimmy Carter.

AIUI the when a ballistic missile is ejected underwater from a submarine silo it is exposed to sea water. AFAIK almost all strategic ballistic missiles deployed aboard a boomer sub can only ignites their motor after clearing the ocean surface and the water plume from the ejection.

The orbit of the targeted satellite is known not long after it's launch. Presumably it will be treated as any other targets on the sub's target list with updated orbital data when the launch order is transmitted to the sub. Think the Space Cruiser have the same mid-course guidance package as the reentry vehicles with the nukes with the Astronaut as terminal guidance.

The Astronaut is deploying a magnetic shaped-charged demolition charge likely with a adhesive coating on the business end.

As stated up thread the concept for the DARPA's STAR is bit crazy. Why Astronaut is required for the mission concept is that robotics and avionics hadn't advanced enough to replaced the Astronaut at the time the concept was conceived.

Not being argumentative here, just carrying on the discussion in the spirit of fun.

The DSRV is hydrodynamically better shaped, closer to the deck with multiple support points and aligned with the direction of motion, reducing the moment arm and drag. It also doesn't require a missile hatch to be continuously open while cruising. Not only does that hatch cause the sub to have more lateral and wetted surface area, there are also drag forces along the length of the hinge mechanism that are not present during normal operations. The Submarine Force Museum in Groton, Connecticut has an open missile hatch on display near the entrance and the edge of that hatch is not designed to move smoothly through water. With the flow coming off the sail underwater, that could turn into metal fatigue-causing oscillations. The noise set up by the asymmetries could thwart any attempt at stealth.

A missile's seawater exposure during launch is a matter of seconds. The space cruiser is exposed the entire time that the sub is cruising around carrying it. Corrosion of the heatshield would have had to be guarded against. At the very least that would have added extra weight.

Now my own crazy idea - if that vehicle could withstand re-entry nose-first, it should have been very much stronger than any on-orbit spacecraft without re-entry capability. In that case, it didn't actually need the astronaut setting explosives. Just a low-speed bump with that nose at any random point on the target would have probably been enough to disable or destroy it.






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« Reply #57 on: 07/26/2023 10:59 am »
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Now my own crazy idea - if that vehicle could withstand re-entry nose-first, it should have been very much stronger than any on-orbit spacecraft without re-entry capability. In that case, it didn't actually need the astronaut setting explosives. Just a low-speed bump with that nose at any random point on the target would have probably been enough to disable or destroy it.
Won't work. The Soviet spy satellites of that period are more or less unmanned version of the various manned Soviet spacecraft. Which means they are quite structurally robust and have station keeping propulsion.

AIUI, the main purpose of the shaped-charge demolition charge is to penetrated at least one of the propellant tanks to empty its' contents out into space and hopefully putting the spacecraft into a uncontrolled and non-recoverable spin. The demolition charge isn't likely powerful enough to destroy the targeted spacecraft.

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ESA's Airbus Reusable Rocket: The Adeline

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Introducing Adeline - A Revolutionary Leap in Reusable Rocketry

Imagine a rocket that not only soars into the sky with a thunderous roar but elegantly glides back to Earth, ready for another thrilling journey among the stars. Enter Adeline (Advanced Expendable Launcher with Innovative engine Economy), a groundbreaking concept brought to life by the brilliant minds at Airbus Defence and Space. This audacious vision aims to redefine the boundaries of space travel by harnessing the power of drone technology to achieve horizontal runway landings - an awe-inspiring spectacle that is sure to leave space enthusiasts in absolute awe!

At the core of this visionary concept lies a rocket booster like no other. Equipped with propeller engines and cutting-edge avionics, it promises to be more than just a disposable first-stage component. Adeline's true genius lies in its ability to gracefully touch down on a runway, post-launch, only to be lovingly refurbished and sent off on yet another exhilarating adventure.

As the fiery launch propels the stage forward, the engine module knows its fate and bravely bids farewell, preparing for the daring descent. Here's where Adeline unleashes its wings - tiny, yet potent winglets that nimbly guide the booster towards its coveted runway destination. Thrilling, isn't it?

As the runway looms closer, the tension builds; this is the moment when the landing gear springs into action, providing the stability needed for a picture-perfect horizontal landing. To add a touch of ingenuity, two small pusher configuration propellers join the ensemble, lending that extra oomph to the landing. Talk about elegance and power wrapped into one!

Now, let's talk economics. Adeline has an ace up its sleeve. By reusing a whopping 80% of the stage's economic value - encompassing the engine, avionics, and propulsion bay - it stands as a beacon of sustainability and cost-effectiveness. SpaceX, though impressive with its vertical landing feats, does not escape the taxing stresses their booster engines endure during deceleration. Adeline, on the other hand, gracefully glides and only requires a modest 2,000 kg of fuel for a geostationary flight back to the ground. Compare that to the estimated 35,000 kg needed for a SpaceX booster's return to the launch site. Mind-blowing, right?

Now, fuel might be a mere fraction of the overall launch cost, but it's a game-changer for Adeline. The beauty lies in the reduction of launch costs, ranging from 21-40%. However, the catch lies in the payload capacity, which could diminish from 8,300 kg to 5,500 kg with this approach. But fret not, as the true cost advantage emerges when ferrying payloads much lower than the rocket's lift potential. Unleash the unused lift capacity, and voila! Extra fuel to recycle the rocket and unlock new realms of possibilities.

You might wonder where this marvel will find its niche. Fear not, for the future is ripe with potential. Adeline could seamlessly integrate into the evolution of Ariane 6 or any liquid-fueled rocket. Talk about versatility!

Embarking on this interstellar journey was no easy feat. Airbus commenced this ambitious program in 2010, investing a staggering €15 million by May 2015 to refine the art of reusability. Scale models took flight, fueling the dream of a reusable rocket future. As Ariane 6 takes center stage in Airbus's development priorities, Adeline awaits her turn to shine.

Of course, with every bold venture, there are skeptics lurking in the shadows. In 2018, an official from the CNES launcher directorate expressed doubts about the concept's financial viability. But remember, history has shown that audacious visions often take time to win over skeptics and blaze new trails.

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« Reply #59 on: 08/11/2023 02:17 pm »


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The Tiangong Space Station consists of multiple modules that will serve various purposes, including living quarters for astronauts, scientific research laboratories, and facilities for conducting experiments in microgravity. It is designed to be a long-term, modular space station similar to the International Space Station (ISS), but with a smaller scale.

The construction of the Tiangong Space Station is planned to occur in several phases:

Tiangong-1: This was China's first space station module, launched in 2011. It served as a prototype and tested various technologies and docking procedures.

Tiangong-2: Launched in 2016, this module was used to conduct additional docking and rendezvous tests.

Tiangong Modules (Tianhe, Wentian, Mengtian): The core module, named Tianhe (meaning "Harmony of the Heavens"), was launched in April 2021. It serves as the main living and working area for astronauts. It has docking ports for additional modules, which will be added in subsequent launches. Wentian and Mengtian are two experiment modules that will attach to Tianhe.

The Tiangong Space Station will host a variety of scientific experiments in fields such as astronomy, biology, materials science, and more. It will also serve as a platform for international collaboration, with countries being able to send astronauts and participate in research projects aboard the station.

The completion of the Tiangong Space Station represents a significant milestone in China's space program, showcasing the country's growing capabilities in space exploration, technology, and scientific research.

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« Reply #60 on: 08/11/2023 04:17 pm »
Kind of an odd choice for him, but I do like that he also included the space telescope:

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« Reply #61 on: 08/23/2023 03:44 pm »


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Germany's low-cost Launch Vehicle "OTRAG"

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"Orbital Transport und Raketen AG," which translates to "Orbital Transport and Rockets Inc." in English. OTRAG was a German aerospace company founded by Lutz Kayser in the 1970s. The company aimed to develop low-cost launch vehicles for sending payloads into space.

OTRAG gained attention for its innovative approach to rocket design, focusing on modular construction and the use of multiple small rocket engines. This was intended to reduce costs and increase flexibility. The company conducted some test launches in the 1970s and 1980s in various locations, including Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of Congo), where they had agreements to test and launch their rockets.

However, OTRAG faced political and regulatory challenges, and its activities raised concerns about potential military applications. As a result, the project was met with international scrutiny, and it eventually faced obstacles that led to its decline. The company's work was largely put on hold, and the ambitious plans to revolutionize space transportation were never fully realized.

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« Reply #62 on: 09/08/2023 09:11 pm »
Martin Marietta Spacemaster Shuttle

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The Martin Marietta Spacemaster was a proposed design for the Space Shuttle.
The Spacemaster was a two-stage, reusable space transportation system.
It featured a delta-wing orbiter and a twin-fuselage booster craft.
The orbiter would sit in a recess in the booster during launch and ascent.
The liquid-propellant booster would carry the orbiter to a set altitude, then detach and be piloted back to land. After separation, the orbiter would ignite its own engines to reach orbit.
The Spacemaster was proposed in 1967. NASA did not order any Spacemasters, but it did order the Space Shuttle's external fuel tanks from Martin-Marietta. Martin Marietta is now part of Lockheed Martin

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« Reply #63 on: 09/09/2023 01:01 pm »
Not Hazegrayart, but it does feature a cool spacecraft:


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« Reply #64 on: 09/09/2023 01:49 pm »
Interesting.  I guess the two objects above the single engine are jets?

Might be a fun conversion of a shuttle model.  Not sure it needs to go all the way to Mars, but I like the Mars Vehicle.

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« Reply #65 on: 09/09/2023 01:51 pm »
Interesting.  I guess the two objects above the single engine are jets?

Might be a fun conversion of a shuttle model.  Not sure it needs to go all the way to Mars, but I like the Mars Vehicle.

Is this just the author's concept or is it based on a possible project.

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« Reply #66 on: 09/09/2023 03:34 pm »
 it is the shuttle from for all mankind:
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« Reply #67 on: 09/09/2023 06:52 pm »
I added a new subcategory index listing to the initial post to include CGI artists for the non-Hazegrayrt Master Thread.

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« Reply #68 on: 09/09/2023 11:04 pm »
Martin Marietta Spacemaster Shuttle

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The Martin Marietta Spacemaster was a proposed design for the Space Shuttle.
The Spacemaster was a two-stage, reusable space transportation system.
It featured a delta-wing orbiter and a twin-fuselage booster craft.
The orbiter would sit in a recess in the booster during launch and ascent.
The liquid-propellant booster would carry the orbiter to a set altitude, then detach and be piloted back to land. After separation, the orbiter would ignite its own engines to reach orbit.
The Spacemaster was proposed in 1967. NASA did not order any Spacemasters, but it did order the Space Shuttle's external fuel tanks from Martin-Marietta. Martin Marietta is now part of Lockheed Martin

Always had a soft spot for that design...

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« Reply #69 on: 09/09/2023 11:50 pm »
it is the shuttle from for all mankind:


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« Reply #70 on: 09/10/2023 08:05 pm »
SpaceX Starship Moon Profile

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« Reply #71 on: 09/29/2023 03:01 pm »


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Dr. Hans Zarkov's rocket ship is a sleek and futuristic spacecraft designed for interstellar travel.

Name: The Zarkov I

Design: The Zarkov I would have a sleek and aerodynamic design, optimized for efficient travel through the vacuum of space. Its exterior would be made from state-of-the-art lightweight yet incredibly strong materials, capable of withstanding the extreme conditions of space.

Propulsion: The rocket ship would be equipped with a cutting-edge propulsion system powered by advanced fusion technology. This system would provide both the immense thrust needed to break free from Earth's gravity and the sustained thrust necessary for interstellar travel. It would be incredibly fuel-efficient, allowing for extended journeys into deep space.

Navigation and Control: Inside the ship, the cockpit would be a high-tech command center, featuring a panoramic viewscreen that displays celestial objects, navigational data, and real-time communications. The ship's controls would be a fusion of traditional mechanical interfaces and advanced touchscreens, allowing for precise maneuvering and navigation.

Life Support: The Zarkov I would have a sophisticated life support system, capable of recycling air and water, as well as providing sustenance for the crew on long journeys. Radiation shielding would be integrated to protect against cosmic rays and solar radiation.

Science Equipment: Dr. Zarkov's rocket ship would be equipped with an array of scientific instruments and laboratories, enabling extensive research during the mission. These would include telescopes, spectrometers, and sensors for studying celestial bodies and phenomena.

Versatility: The ship's modular design would allow it to adapt to various mission profiles. It could be configured for planetary exploration, asteroid mining, or even as a scientific research vessel for studying distant star systems.

Safety Features: Safety would be paramount, with redundant systems and emergency protocols in place. The ship would also feature advanced shielding to protect against micrometeoroids and other space debris.

Communication: The Zarkov I would be equipped with advanced communication equipment for maintaining contact with Earth and other spacecraft. It would have the capability to transmit vast amounts of data, including high-definition images and video, to scientists and enthusiasts back on Earth.

In summary, if Dr. Hans Zarkov's rocket ship from Flash Gordon were real, it would represent the pinnacle of human engineering and space exploration capabilities, designed for venturing into the unknown reaches of the cosmos with safety, precision, and the pursuit of scientific knowledge at its core.

Versatility: Dr. Zarkov's rocket ship is designed for versatility, allowing it to undertake various missions and respond to the challenges they encounter on their journey to the planet Mongo.

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« Reply #72 on: 09/29/2023 11:00 pm »


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Life Support: The Zarkov I would have a sophisticated life support system, capable of recycling air and water, as well as providing sustenance for the crew on long journeys. Radiation shielding would be integrated to protect against cosmic rays and solar radiation.
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Just don't forget to turn on the oxygen before Dale passes out.

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« Reply #73 on: 10/01/2023 04:25 pm »
Martin Marietta Spacemaster Shuttle

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The Martin Marietta Spacemaster was a proposed design for the Space Shuttle.
The Spacemaster was a two-stage, reusable space transportation system.
It featured a delta-wing orbiter and a twin-fuselage booster craft.
The orbiter would sit in a recess in the booster during launch and ascent.
The liquid-propellant booster would carry the orbiter to a set altitude, then detach and be piloted back to land. After separation, the orbiter would ignite its own engines to reach orbit.
The Spacemaster was proposed in 1967. NASA did not order any Spacemasters, but it did order the Space Shuttle's external fuel tanks from Martin-Marietta. Martin Marietta is now part of Lockheed Martin



It looks like it is assembled with two huge bands of silver duct tape!

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« Reply #74 on: 10/01/2023 06:29 pm »
Martin Marietta Spacemaster Shuttle

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The Martin Marietta Spacemaster was a proposed design for the Space Shuttle.
The Spacemaster was a two-stage, reusable space transportation system.
It featured a delta-wing orbiter and a twin-fuselage booster craft.
The orbiter would sit in a recess in the booster during launch and ascent.
The liquid-propellant booster would carry the orbiter to a set altitude, then detach and be piloted back to land. After separation, the orbiter would ignite its own engines to reach orbit.
The Spacemaster was proposed in 1967. NASA did not order any Spacemasters, but it did order the Space Shuttle's external fuel tanks from Martin-Marietta. Martin Marietta is now part of Lockheed Martin



It looks like it is assembled with two huge bands of silver duct tape!
No shortage of unique ideas on how to do a RLV in sixties. Like this one.

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Langley Research Center Unpressurized Crew Transport with Surface Habitat: 0605-LLPS-LaRC-2

This was a two-stage lander that incorporated unique, dockable rear-entry space suits for a crew of four on an unpressurized ascent stage. The ascent stage mission was designed for a nominal surface stay time of 7 days, and a return payload capacity of 100 kg (220 lbm).

Descent Stage

Power The descent stage carried oxygen-hydrogen fuel cells for primary power; total peak power required by descent stage (when active) = 4.0 kW;
total peak power required by descent stage (when inactive) = 500 W.

Propulsion

The propulsion system had three LOX/LH2 descent engines that operated at an Isp of 459.7 sec. The engine thrust was 31.1 kN (7,000 lb). Oxygen boil-off was estimated to be at 1.2% per month and hydrogen boil-off was estimated  to be at 4.3% per month. Descent delta-v: 1,900 m/s (6,233 ft/s)

Structures

The baseline primary structural material was aluminum 2024 or similar. There were two oxidizer tanks/four fuel tanks; The landing structures made up 3.3% of the total mass to be landed.

Environmental Control and Life Support System
Standard ECLSS in pressurized habitat; 13.2 m3  (466 ft3) total habitable volume; 3.3 m3 (116.5 ft3) habitable volume per crew member; 14.2 m3 (500 ft3) total pressurized volume.

Down Payload 500 kg (1,100 lbm)
Surface Stay Time 7 days
Nominal Descent and Low Lunar Orbit Loiter Duration 7 days
Low Earth Orbit Loiter Duration 95 days
Guidance Navigation & Control RCS Cluster (x4)

Ascent Stage

Ascent stage carried Li-ion batteries for primary power during ascent; total peak power required by ascent  stage = 1.0 kW

Propulsion

There were four NTO/MMH ascent engines rated for operation at an Isp of 332.5 sec. The propulsion system provided a thrust of 11.1 kN (2,500 lb). Thrusters were initially gimballed out to avoid damaging the habitat (which could be reused on a future mission or as part of an outpost).
Ascent delta-v: 1,889 m/s (6,197 ft/s)

Structures

Aluminum 2024 or similar. There were two oxidizer tanks/two fuel tanks.

Environmental Control and Life Support System
Nominal life support was to be provided by the Extravehicular Activity (EVA) suits.

Up Payload 100 kg (220 lb)

Surface Stay Time 7 days

Nominal Ascent Duration 3 hours

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« Reply #76 on: 10/07/2023 09:30 pm »
I just think of RCS exhaust and spacesuits.

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« Reply #77 on: 10/19/2023 03:43 pm »


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Unconventional Liftoffs: The Hydrofoil Albatros Rocket

1974 Russian Space Shuttle Design Concept
Alexeyev Sukhoi Albatros 3 Stage Rocket System

At its core, the vehicle was conceptualized as a multi-stage system, with the initial stage featuring a hydrofoil weighing approximately 1800 tons and stretching 70 meters in length. This hydrofoil, designed by Alexeyev, served as a precursor to a full-fledged ekranoplan. Its purpose was akin to the Space Shuttle’s external fuel tank, carrying a substantial payload of 200 tons of Liquid Oxygen (LOX) and Liquid Hydrogen (LH2). These propellants were intended to fuel the motors of the second stage.

Mounted atop the hydrofoil, the second stage, estimated at 210 tons, utilized the LOX and LH2 from the first stage to accelerate the entire assembly to a remarkable speed of 180 km/h over a span of 110 seconds. This acceleration occurred along the surface of the Caspian Sea, or alternatively, the Aral or Lake Baikal, effectively utilizing the vast water bodies as makeshift runways. After reaching the desired speed, the second stage detached from the hydrofoil and initiated its own propulsion system, lifting itself off the now-empty barge.

This second stage was an innovative creation from Sukhoi, designed as a high-speed reusable winged rocket plane/booster. Its primary objective was to elevate the third stage—an actual spaceplane, also crafted by Sukhoi—to a high altitude. The spaceplane, a pivotal component of the system, was equipped to propel itself into orbit while the booster, having fulfilled its purpose, coasted back to Earth. While details about the piloted nature of the booster remain uncertain, given Sukhoi’s background, it is plausible that it might have been manned.

The final stage of this remarkable vehicle was a tail-less rocket plane, boasting a mass of about 80 tons and spanning 40 meters in length. This design made it comparable to the American orbiter. Despite its similarity in appearance to certain iterations of the Hermes shuttle or the later Russian/European Kliper, it stood out due to its payload capacity of 30 tons to Low Earth Orbit (LEO) and its crew of two. Technically, this stage was a marvel, incorporating advanced engineering concepts to achieve its objectives.

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« Reply #78 on: 11/10/2023 07:40 pm »
Von Braun's Lunar Lander





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Wernher Von Braun, the visionary space pioneer, boldly prognosticated that a cadre of erudite scientists would grace the lunar surface with their presence, accomplishing this audacious feat by the year 1977. Picture this: two incarnations of the spacecraft, akin to lunar taxis, designated as the "passenger" versions, gallantly transporting a grand total of 50 scientists and adept technicians. Meanwhile, the intrepid "cargo" version embarked on a solitary sojourn to the Moon, laden with provisions deemed essential for the sustenance of the aforementioned 50 gentlemen during their anticipated six-week sojourn on Earth's proximate celestial companion. Notably, the nomenclature of the series hinted at a predominantly male cast.

Consider the colossal stature of these celestial vessels, towering at an impressive 160 feet—a height analogous to the entirety of the Space Shuttle stack. Dr. von Braun's foresight manifested in the selection of rocket propellants—nitric acid and hydrazine—a choice that, remarkably, aligns with the contemporary trifecta of popular rocket fuel combinations (the others being LOX/LH2 and LOX/Kerosene). However, his less prescient inclinations manifested in the utilization of a mercury-vapor powered turbine, harnessing the Sun's parabolically concentrated light to evaporate liquid mercury and generate a formidable 35 kilowatts. Despite being the avant-garde darling in 1952, these turbines fell out of favor shortly thereafter, with no known instances of deployment in outer space.

The spacecraft's genesis unfolded over an extended eight-month period, meticulously assembling itself in proximity to a space station nestled in a 1730-km-altitude, 2-hour circular orbit. However, this orbit's charm waned upon the discovery that it meandered within the unexpected embrace of the Van Allen radiation belts, rendering it unsuitable for the manned spacecraft's traverse.

Upon lunar arrival, the intrepid astronauts,, embarked upon the ambitious endeavor of erecting a lunar base. Von Braun, exuding confidence, foretold that this lunar foothold would inevitably pave the way for humanity's foray into the Martian frontier, an assertion that hinted at a cosmic odyssey poised to unfold in the not-too-distant future.
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« Reply #79 on: 11/17/2023 01:40 pm »


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Junkers RT-8 (Saenger I) Rail Launched Space Plane

Junkers RT-8 (Saenger I)

RT-8 Sled Launch:
Launch System: Sled-launched two-stage space plane
Sled Propulsion: Steam rocket
Launch Distance: 3 kilometers
Stage Separation: At 30km altitude
First Stage:
Power: Three airbreathing LH2 engines
Power Output: 150 tons at sea level
Stage Length: 80 meters
Wing Span: 40 meters (shoulder-mounted delta wing)

Stage Separation and Second Stage:
Separation Altitude: 30km
Second Stage Propulsion: Single Lox/LH2 engine
Second Stage Options:
Manned: Capable of carrying two astronauts (HORUS - Hypersonic Orbital Upper Stage)
Cargo: Unmanned cargo ship (CARGUS) without wings for a return trip

Second Stage (HORUS/CARGUS):
Length: 31 meters
Wing Span (Orbiter): 12 meters (low-mounted delta wing)

This craft was an ambitious early space shuttle design with innovative sled-launch technology, multiple stages for different purposes (manned, unmanned, cargo), and hybrid propulsion systems. The two-stage design allowed for versatility in missions, either for reaching orbit or suborbital flights, demonstrating the adaptability of its components for various space missions.

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« Reply #80 on: 11/24/2023 08:33 pm »
DARPA Hammerhead Space Shuttle Concept



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DARPA studied modifying the current external tank design to be able to carry low-density payloads in a 25 or 35 ft (7.6 or 10.6 m) diameter fairing where the oxygen tank was currently. The Shuttle on average would only fly 66% of its payload capability but at nearly 100% of its payload volume. The external tank payload fairing would solve this problem. The oxygen tank would be redesigned as a cylindrical tank rather than conical and the clamshell payload fairing would be mounted directly on it. In this configuration, the orbiter would launch without any payload. These studies were eventually abandoned due to the fact that the new aerodynamic profile would make a Return to Launch Site (RTLS) maneuver impossible.

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« Reply #81 on: 12/05/2023 01:53 pm »


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Kliper Spaceplane: ESA-Russia Collaboration that never Materialized

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The Kliper spaceplane was a proposed Russian reusable spacecraft intended for crewed missions to low Earth orbit (LEO), the Moon, and potentially Mars. Developed by RSC Energia, it aimed to be a successor to the Soyuz spacecraft and capable of transporting both crew and cargo to space.

Key features and concepts associated with the Kliper spaceplane included:

Reusability: Designed to be partially reusable, enabling multiple flights after refurbishment similar to the Space Shuttle program.

Crew Capacity: Planned to accommodate up to six cosmonauts for missions to the International Space Station (ISS) or other orbital missions.

Launch Vehicle: Intended to be launched atop a variety of rockets, including the Soyuz-2 and Angara rockets, depending on mission requirements.

Mission Capabilities: Envisioned for missions to the ISS, lunar expeditions, and potentially Mars missions, providing a versatile platform for various space exploration endeavors.

Landing System: Planned to return to Earth autonomously, with the ability to land on conventional runways, similar to the Space Shuttle, reducing the reliance on ocean landings.

The Kliper project generated significant interest and anticipation, but it faced funding challenges and shifts in priorities within the Russian space program. Ultimately, the project was shelved in the mid-2000s in favor of other initiatives, such as the continued use and development of Soyuz spacecraft and modules for the ISS missions.

Despite its discontinuation, the Kliper concept and its design elements have contributed to discussions and ideas surrounding future crewed spaceflight and reusable spacecraft within the Russian space industry.

The Soyuz-3 concept, as described from the information available, seems to incorporate several key technical details:

First Stage:

Comprised of four conical strap-on boosters.
Equipped with a modified version of the RD-120 engine, borrowed from the operational Zenit-2 rocket.
Second Stage (Core/Sustainer Stage):

Borrowed body dimensions from the Avrora project.
Top section had a cylindrical shape with a constant diameter (different from previous conical shapes).
Carried the NK-33 engine, inherited from the ill-fated N1 rocket of the 1960s Moon Race.
The scale model lacked the RD-110P steering engine on the 2nd stage.
Third Stage:

Developed from scratch.
Equipped with four RD-0146E engines.
Utilized cryogenically cooled liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen as propellants.
The basic concept of the engine was also intended for upper stages of the Proton-M and Angara launch vehicles.
These specifications indicate a mix of heritage technology and new developments, combining engines from previous projects like the N1 and Zenit rockets with new designs for the third stage. The use of cryogenic propellants in the third stage suggests a focus on achieving higher performance. (Клипер, English: Clipper) was an early-2000s proposed partially-reusable crewed spacecraft concept by RSC Energia. Due to lack of funding from the ESA and RSA, the project was indefinitely postponed by 2006.

Designed primarily to replace the Soyuz spacecraft, Kliper was proposed in two versions: as a pure lifting body design and as spaceplane with small wings. In either case, the craft would have been able to glide into the atmosphere at an angle that produces much less stress on the human occupants than the current Soyuz. Kliper was intended to be designed to be able to carry up to six people and to perform ferry services between Earth and the International Space Station.

Presumably Soyouz 2-3 would have been able to launch the Kliper without wings and without the service module (working with the module Parom), whereas Soyouz 3 would have been used for the winged and autonomous heavier version (capable of docking to the station by its own).

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« Reply #82 on: 12/05/2023 01:55 pm »
It's neat to see him do that one. Kliper was interesting when it was first proposed, but then it joined a long list of Russian Soyuz replacements that never happened.

Has he done Hermes yet? That seems like a rather obvious one.

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« Reply #83 on: 12/05/2023 02:09 pm »
It's neat to see him do that one. Kliper was interesting when it was first proposed, but then it joined a long list of Russian Soyuz replacements that never happened.

Has he done Hermes yet? That seems like a rather obvious one.

No Hermes so far, unfortunately. Agree it would make sense.

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« Reply #84 on: 12/05/2023 09:47 pm »
No Hermes so far, unfortunately. Agree it would make sense.

Hermes now seems like a pretty obvious one. He focused on a lot of big rockets for starters.

I just realized that the Klipr video does not show reentry and landing, which seems like it should be there given Klipr's unusual configuration.

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« Reply #85 on: 12/09/2023 12:03 pm »
The Methane Rocket Revolution is Here



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SpaceX STARSHIP,
Blue Origin NEW GLENN,
ULA VULCAN CENTAUR,
Relativity Space TERRAN R,
Landspace ZHUQUE-2,
Rocket Lab NEUTRON,
Relativity Space TERRAN 1,
ESA Ariane Group THEMIS,
Stoke Space
 
The possibilities of employing methane as a fuel for rockets have the potential to radically overhaul the space industry in multifarious ways. Primarily, as aforementioned, methane embodies a more ecologically friendly fuel source than traditional rocket fuels. If implemented, the utilization of methane-powered rockets has the capability of reducing the carbon footprint of space exploration, which has heretofore been an industry notorious for its pollutant output.
Secondly, methane has greater accessibility than certain other rocket fuels, such as liquid hydrogen. Methane is derived from a plethora of sources, ranging from natural gas to renewable sources such as biomass and waste. This denotes that the production and distribution of methane as a rocket fuel can be more stable and less dependent on particular geographic locations.
Thirdly, the potential for methane-powered rockets to be more efficient and cost-effective than traditional rockets is a plausible reality. Due to its increased density relative to hydrogen, methane can be stored in smaller tanks and requires less insulation to maintain a suitable temperature. This can lead to decreased launch costs and facilitate the execution of more frequent space missions.
Finally, the possibilities of methane-powered rockets afford the potential for lengthier and more ambitious space missions, notably to destinations like Mars. Methane can be synthesized on Mars utilizing the planet's abundant carbon dioxide atmosphere and water ice. Consequently, methane-powered rockets could potentially refuel and return to Earth or proceed to other destinations in the solar system.
Taken together, the implementation of methane as a rocket fuel holds the promise of a revolutionary transformation within the space industry. It can potentially make space exploration more sustainable, cost-effective, and ambitious than ever before.
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« Reply #86 on: 01/12/2024 12:19 pm »


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The Russian Winged Orbital Launch Vehicle, a visionary project by the Soviet Air Force, aimed for a horizontal takeoff/horizontal landing, reusable space launch system akin to conventional aircraft. Developed by Mikoyan from 1960 to 1976, it featured a reusable hypersonic air-breathing booster, two expendable rocket stages, and the Spiral manned spaceplane. Hindered by inadequate government funding, it only reached subscale flight tests by the mid-1970s. Development ceased in 1976, giving way to the Buran, a Soviet version of the U.S. space shuttle. However, the concept saw a resurgence in the 1980s as the MAKS spaceplane, embodying technological evolution and human perseverance in aerospace innovation.

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« Reply #87 on: 02/01/2024 01:09 am »
R-56 Polyblock Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle




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In July 1960, Mikhail Yangel's OKB-586 design bureau, based in the city of Dnepropetrovsk Ukraine proposed the development of a rocket capable of carrying 40 tons into low Earth orbit, filling the gap between Korolev's N-1 (75 tons) and Chelomei's UR-500 (20 tons). Named R-56 with industrial designation 8K68, its preliminary design saw the liftoff weight increase from 1,200 to 1,400 tons.

On May 22, 1963, the Central Committee of the Communist Party and the Soviet Ministers of the USSR authorized the experimental project (EP) for the R-56 rocket. Its potential applications included delivering geostationary satellites, lunar and planetary probes, manned circumlunar expeditions, and lunar surface supply missions.

During conceptual design, KB Yuzhnoe explored three configurations for the R-56:

Four modules: Each module with a 3.8-meter diameter for rail transportation.
Seven-module: Each module with a 3-meter diameter, similar to the R-36 missile.
One-module: Booster stages with a 6.5-meter diameter, necessitating waterway transportation.
Despite the need for significant upgrades to production facilities and new means of stage delivery from the manufacturer to launch sites in Dnepropetrovsk, KB Yuzhnoe chose the one-module configuration.
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« Reply #88 on: 02/14/2024 01:00 pm »
Boeing Recoverable Launch Booster



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The Boeing doublebody, winged booster, known as Model 832-40
made use of a Dyna-Soar glider as the crew module and escape capsule.
Powered by twin clusters made up of 4 Rocketdyne J-2B rocket engines for vertical boost and 3 hydrogen-fueled, General Electric MF239C Turbofan engines for horizontal flight and landing. Designed for use with a variety of upper stages

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« Reply #89 on: 02/14/2024 05:59 pm »
I see, they wanted to use a DynaSoar glider as a makeshift crew escape module - well also as a cockpit. Okay.

I'm not really convinced about that thing aerodynamics but hey, its beautiful CGI, so I shall not complain.

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ReNova SSTO Rocket Concept Developed by Martin
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The rocket engines are arranged in a ring around the major diameter of a STO.
The hydrogen tanks form what is , in effect, a a large plug, with a toroidal oxygen tank mounted forward.. The rockets are enclosed in an air duct equipped with adjustable inlets. A jettisonable shroud extends the mixing area down stream of the rockets. The conical payload fairing serves as an inlet spike during accent through the atmosphere. The air enter through the inlet, mixes with the rocket exhaust, is heated and expands  past the plug-shaped aft body, thus contributing additional thrust. The mixing shroud is jettisoned and the inlets are closed after leaving the atmosphere

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« Reply #91 on: 03/03/2024 02:24 pm »
Air augmented rockets... what might have been. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-augmented_rocket

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« Reply #92 on: 03/22/2024 07:22 pm »
The Artemis Gateway and SpaceX's Human Landing System: The Race for Return to the Moon



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Gateway is a critical part of NASA’s deep space exploration plans, along with the Space Launch System (SLS) rocket, Orion spacecraft and human landing system. As astronauts prepare for missions to the lunar surface, they will need deliveries of critical pressurized and unpressurized cargo, science experience and supplies, such as sample collection materials and other items. In March 2020, NASA awarded SpaceX as the first U.S. commercial provider under the Gateway Logistics Services contract to deliver cargo and other supplies to the lunar outpost on the SpaceX Dragon XL logistics module.

The agency’s powerful Space Launch System rocket will launch four astronauts aboard the Orion spacecraft for their multi-day journey to lunar orbit. There, two crew members will transfer to the SpaceX human landing system (HLS) for the final leg of their journey to the surface of the Moon. After approximately a week exploring the surface, they will board the lander for their short trip back to orbit where they will return to Orion and their colleagues before heading back to Earth.

NASA’s Artemis program will land astronauts on the Moon and reveal new knowledge about the Moon, Earth and our origins in the solar system. At the Moon, NASA and its partners will gain the experience necessary to mount a historic human mission to Mars.

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« Reply #93 on: 04/02/2024 12:13 pm »
Energia Vulkan Moon Rocket

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The Energia Vulkan design was the largest of the Energia concepts with eight Zenit booster rockets and an Energia-M core as the upper stage, the Vulkan (which shared the name with another Soviet heavy lift rocket that was cancelled years earlier) configuration was initially projected to launch up to 200 metric tonnes into 200 km orbit with inclination 50.7°

The development of the Vulkan and the refurbishment of Universal Test Stand and Launch Pad at site 250 for its launches was in progress between 1990–1993 and abandoned soon after due to a lack of funds and the collapse of the Soviet Union.

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« Reply #94 on: 04/03/2024 12:05 am »
Does anyone know anything about Hazegrayart?   These are such amazing videos!  I'd like to support the work somehow, yet they don't seem to have merch.  I would immediately buy a book of "Rockets That Should Have Been"!

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« Reply #95 on: 04/10/2024 03:48 pm »
Saturn V "Modified Launch Vehicle"

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The Saturn MLV was a proposed concept family of rockets, intended as a follow-on to the Saturn V. MLV stands for "Modified Launch Vehicle".

Vehicle configurations representative of several alternative uprating methods were specified by the Marshall Space Flight Center for initial studies.

Proposed modifications
Thrust uprating and modifying of the five F-1 rocket engines used in the first S-IC stage, and corresponding increases in propellant tank capacities.
Addition of a sixth F-1 engine in the S-IC stage, as an alternative to engine uprating, plus increased propellant capacities.
Use of UA1205 solid rocket boosters derived from the Titan IIIC vehicle.
Additional J-2 engines in the S-II stage, ~131 s increased upper stage propellant capacities.
Improved or advanced upper stage engines, such as the HG-3, plus increased propellant capacities.
The baseline Saturn MLV would incorporate these changes from the Saturn V vehicle. The Saturn IC first stage would have been stretched 240 inches (610 cm) with 2,500,000 kg (5,600,000 lb) of propellant and five new F-1A engines; the S-II second stage would have been stretched 41 inches (100 cm) with 450,000 kg (1,000,000 lb) of propellant and five J-2 engines; the S-IVB third stage would have been strengthened, but with a standard 100,000 kg (230,000 lb) of propellant, and one J-2 engine. Nuclear propulsion in the third stage and toroidal J-2 engines in the second and third stages were also investigated.

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Would it still fit the VAB?

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« Reply #97 on: 04/10/2024 06:46 pm »
From memory, maximum height under the VAB doors was 139 m tall. Some improved Saturn Vs fit, others did not.

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Would it still fit the VAB?
The one in the video would have. It's some 24 feet taller than the Saturn V, so 387 feet tall. The VAB doors are 456 feet tall, having been sized to accommodate the Nova.

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« Reply #99 on: 04/11/2024 01:51 pm »
Would it still fit the VAB?
The one in the video would have. It's some 24 feet taller than the Saturn V, so 387 feet tall. The VAB doors are 456 feet tall, having been sized to accommodate the Nova.

Elon will also be making use of the VAB for his Starship/Booster, but that will be in two parts and stacked at the pad, so there will be plenty of headroom.
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« Reply #100 on: 04/11/2024 03:26 pm »
Would it still fit the VAB?
The one in the video would have. It's some 24 feet taller than the Saturn V, so 387 feet tall. The VAB doors are 456 feet tall, having been sized to accommodate the Nova.

Do we have a history thread about the alternative Saturn proposals? There were a bunch. I think I created a thread for the "Mars Integrated Plan" studies. There were big Saturns proposed for that.

There were a bunch of Saturn variants that were proposed, including with solid rocket boosters. The problem with height in the VAB was the crane on top--even if you could fit it through the doors, the crane might lack clearance to lift it.

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The Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar ("Dynamic Soarer") was a United States Air Force (USAF) program to develop a spaceplane that could be used for a variety of military missions, including aerial reconnaissance, bombing, space rescue, satellite maintenance, and as a space interceptor to sabotage enemy satellites.
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 • The Boeing X-20 Dyna-S... 

Boeing doublebody, winged booster, known as Model 832-40
made use of a Dyna-Soar glider as the crew module and escape capsule.
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 • Boeing Recoverable Lau... 

Boeing 1968 study, four improved Saturn S-IC first stage stretched TO 498 inches with 6.64 million pounds propellant and 5 F-1 engines each and 4 S-II second stage with 5 J-2 engines
and a payload shroud of 86.5 feet in diameter and 240 feet long for a payload of over  1 million pounds
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Boeing's 4 Million lbs Payload Rocket (LMLV) Large Multipurpose Launch Vehicle Concept. Ten 372-inch solid motors would have resulted in a payload up to 4.2 million pounds
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« Reply #102 on: 04/29/2024 06:48 am »
The following individual posts are the full videos from the Boeing Concepts Summary video posted above.

The Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar Spaceplane Launching on a Titan IIIC concept

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The Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar ("Dynamic Soarer") was a United States Air Force (USAF) program to develop a spaceplane that could be used for a variety of military missions, including aerial reconnaissance, bombing, space rescue, satellite maintenance, and as a space interceptor to sabotage enemy satellites.


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« Reply #103 on: 04/29/2024 06:50 am »
This is the full video from the Boeing Concepts Summary video posted above.


Boeing Recoverable Launch Booster

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The Boeing doublebody, winged booster, known as Model 832-40
made use of a Dyna-Soar glider as the crew module and escape capsule.
Powered by twin clusters made up of 4 Rocketdyne J-2B rocket engines for vertical boost and 3 hydrogen-fueled, General Electric MF239C Turbofan engines for horizontal flight and landing. Designed for use with a variety of upper stages


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« Reply #104 on: 04/29/2024 06:51 am »
This is the full video from the Boeing Concepts Summary video posted above.

Saturn V-4X(U) 1 Million Pound Payload: The Beast

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Boeing 1968 study, four improved Saturn S-IC first stage stretched TO 498 inches with 6.64 million pounds propellant and 5 F-1 engines each and 4 S-II second stage with 5 J-2 engines
and a payload shroud of 86.5 feet in diameter and 240 feet long for a payload of over
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« Reply #105 on: 04/29/2024 06:53 am »
This is the full video from the Boeing Concepts Summary video posted above.

Boeing's 4 Million lbs Payload Rocket (LMLV) Large Multipurpose Launch Vehicle Concept

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A 1968 NASA-sponsored study of a large multipurpose launch concept

A potential application of this launch vehicle concept is for launching future manned interplanetary, extended lunar, and large space station payloads. For many missions, the payload versatility of the launch vehicle system could be used to orbit the total payload requirements in a single launch, obviating the need for orbital assembly. Previous mission analysis information indicated that a payload capability from one to four million pounds to low earth orbit would adequately cover the range of these mission requirements

The concept is a "building-block'' vehicle system that features a main stage capable of single- stage-to-orbit operation and add-on stages, either boost assist or upper stages, that afford a broad range of payload capability.
Ten 372-inch solid motors would have resulted in a payload up to 4.2 million pounds


REFERENCES

CONCEPT FOR A LARGE MULTIPURPOSE LAUNCH VEHICLE
By Edward W. Gomersall: Research Scientist
John G. Brunk: Advanced Vehicle System Manager, Launch Systems Branch, Space Division, The Boeing Company.


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« Reply #106 on: 04/29/2024 06:55 am »
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Boeing Space Freighter Fully Reusable 420 Ton Payload Rocket Spaceplane


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The Boeing Space Freighter was a 1970′s design fully reusable 420 Ton Payload Rocket System to construct the Solar Power Satellite Array to beam energy down to earth
Booster Wingspan 80 Meters
Height 154 Meters
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« Reply #107 on: 04/29/2024 07:00 am »
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Boeing's Low cost Heavy Lift Vehicle VTVL SSTO "The Big Onion"

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Boeing's  Low cost Heavy Lift Vehicle Concept VTVL SSTO RLV was part of the company's NASA-funded Solar Powersat Studies in 1976-77. Known as "The Big Onion" it utilized twenty-four 4.5MN oxygen-hydrogen main engines plus twenty-four 2.25MN lox-kerosene booster engines to generate a thrust-to-weight ratio at liftoff of 1.3.  with 227 tonne payload capacity
Leo’s base heat shield would be water-cooled and the engine nozzles were to be protected by steam ejection.

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« Reply #108 on: 04/29/2024 07:01 am »
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Boeing's SRB-X Space Shuttle Derived Unmanned Launch Vehicle Concept


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SRB-X
SHUTTLE DERIVED VEHICLE ANALYSIS
SOLID BOOSTER UNMANNED LAUNCH VEHICLE
CONCEPT DEFINITION STUDY

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DISO-27351-2
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Contract NASS-34722
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The National Aeronautics and Space Administration
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The SRB-X study was initiated by NASA in response to preliminary investigations
that suggested future launch requirements could best be satisfied by a mixed fleet of
manned and unmanned launch vehicles. Manned requirements are expected to be met by
the space shuttle, at least to the turn of the century, but requirements for the unmanned
vehicle are not specific at this time. The following, however, represent potential uses or
benefits that indicate, when viewed collectively, that an unmanned vehicle could be a
valuable addition to the space transportation system (STS). Such a vehicle could
a. Provide shuttle contingency or backup in the event of an out-of-service orbiter, a
major accident, or failure to achieve acceptable turnaround time.
b. Deliver payloads that exceed the size and mass constraints imposed by the
shuttle.
C. Free the shuttle for missions unique to its capabilities, thus extending the life of
the orbiter fleet.
d. Supplement the shuttle flight rate in the event launch needs increase appreciably.
e. Deliver cargo considered hazardous or presenting additional risk to the shuttle.

The SRB-X is one of several shuttle-derived vehicle (SDV) concepts being considered for the unmanned launch vehicle role. The distinguishing feature of the concept is
that, to the greatest extent possible, primary propulsion would use the space shuttle's
solid rocket motors (SRM), boosters, or derivatives rather than the LO2/LH2 main propulsion system.

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Single-Stage-To-Orbit (SSTO) Reusable Launch Vehicle (RLV). McDonnell Douglas submitted a vertical landing configuration design which used liquid oxygen/hydrogen engines. NASA considered design submissions from Rockwell, Lockheed Martin, and McDonnell Douglas. NASA selected Lockheed Martin’s X-33 design on 2 July 1996. The RLV technology program was a cooperative agreement between NASA and industry. The goal of the RLV technology program was to produce significant reductions in the cost of access to space, and to promote the creation and delivery of new space services and other activities that would have improve U.S. economic competitiveness.

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« Reply #110 on: 05/20/2024 02:11 pm »

Perseverance sees SpaceX Starships

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SpaceX Falcon XX Super Heavy Concept



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Falcon XX is a single core launch vehicle with a diameter of 10 meters and an estimated length of about 100 meters using six Merlin 2 engines operating at the 100% thrust setting on its first stage creating a liftoff thrust of 45,360 Kilonewtons (4,625 metric tons).
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The Lockeed Twin Galaxy featured two C-5 Galaxy's with six engines to cradle the orbiter between twin fuselages

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The Lockeed Twin Galaxy featured two C-5 Galaxy's with six engines to cradle the orbiter between twin fuselages

Considering that job got done in the real world by a passenger 747 with a modified tail, emptied interior, some structural reinforcements and a vibration damper, those multi-fuselage designs seem to indicate a poor understanding of the problem (or hopes for a lucrative contract).

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« Reply #114 on: 06/19/2024 03:51 pm »
You are certainly right - but the sheer attractivity of it was the elimination of the mate/demate device... just roll the orbiter under the central wing, attach, and fly away.
Funny to thing Stratolaunch ultimately build such a thing for real:  only after the Shuttle was gone.

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« Reply #115 on: 06/19/2024 05:59 pm »
OK, missed that no mate/demate structure was needed. That makes more sense now.

Though, that's like building the launchpad into a rocket and then hauling it around with you for the rest of the mission. Some things seem best left on  the ground to me.

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« Reply #116 on: 06/19/2024 06:50 pm »
You are certainly right - but the sheer attractivity of it was the elimination of the mate/demate device... just roll the orbiter under the central wing, attach, and fly away.

Attach to what? Did the Shuttle have hard-points on the top that it could be suspended by?

[Edit: In the video, the two designs seemed to use completely different attachment points on the Orbiter. But I don't know how much of that is artistic guesswork.]

[Edit 2: Ah, the ET integration frame in the assembly building attached on the side of the Orbiter body. That covers the Conroy design. Still not seeing wing-top carry points for the Lockheed version.]
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« Reply #117 on: 06/19/2024 07:16 pm »
You are certainly right - but the sheer attractivity of it was the elimination of the mate/demate device... just roll the orbiter under the central wing, attach, and fly away.

Attach to what? Did the Shuttle have hard-points on the top that it could be suspended by?

[Edit: In the video, the two designs seemed to use completely different attachment points on the Orbiter. But I don't know how much of that is artistic guesswork.]
The orbiter had hard points for stacking. If you search on [STS VAB MATE], various resources will be found. I wouldn't presume that the as-built points were rated for flight transport, but they would have been if either of these carrier schemes had gone forward.
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« Reply #118 on: 06/19/2024 09:23 pm »
You are certainly right - but the sheer attractivity of it was the elimination of the mate/demate device... just roll the orbiter under the central wing, attach, and fly away.

Attach to what? Did the Shuttle have hard-points on the top that it could be suspended by?

[Edit: In the video, the two designs seemed to use completely different attachment points on the Orbiter. But I don't know how much of that is artistic guesswork.]
The orbiter had hard points for stacking. If you search on [STS VAB MATE], various resources will be found. I wouldn't presume that the as-built points were rated for flight transport, but they would have been if either of these carrier schemes had gone forward.
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« Reply #119 on: 06/20/2024 01:06 am »
There was a way to remove/lift a shuttle for mating/de-mating with the 747 SCA using two large cranes. Riskier than using the device specifically made for it, but it was used. Notably it was used at Dulles to remove Discovery and then to put Enterprise on top of the SCA. I don't know how they did it, but I assume that the cranes simply lifted the orbiter with one holding the front and the other the back, and then they backed the 747 out of the way and lowered the orbiter to the ground.

I got out to see Enterprise after it was put on top of the SCA and on the tarmac. By that time the cranes were gone. I've got pictures somewhere. I got lucky because I went to grad school with the guy who was in charge of the orbiters after the last mission, so when he sent me an email that said "You wanna come see Enterprise?" I could not say no. (I also stuck my head inside the Discovery hatch.)

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« Reply #120 on: 06/20/2024 01:39 am »
There was a way to remove/lift a shuttle for mating/de-mating with the 747 SCA using two large cranes.

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« Reply #121 on: 06/20/2024 01:43 am »
There was a way to remove/lift a shuttle for mating/de-mating with the 747 SCA using two large cranes.

Lifting timelapse starts at 20 sec.

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Rockwell C-1057 "Breadbox" Space Shuttle Concept

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The Rockwell C-1057, born during Phase B studies, aimed to shorten the Shuttle Orbiter without losing payload space. Engineer Harry Scott proposed an unconventional solution: turning the cargo bay sideways. The resulting "Breadbox" was short, squat, and surprisingly aerodynamically sound. However, integrating it with the ET and SRBs remained a mystery, contributing to its demise as a concept.

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Rockwell C-1057 "Breadbox" Space Shuttle Concept

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The Rockwell C-1057, born during Phase B studies, aimed to shorten the Shuttle Orbiter without losing payload space. Engineer Harry Scott proposed an unconventional solution: turning the cargo bay sideways. The resulting "Breadbox" was short, squat, and surprisingly aerodynamically sound. However, integrating it with the ET and SRBs remained a mystery, contributing to its demise as a concept.

It's hard to see this concept as anything other than a joke. Launching payloads sideways? Look at Hubble in that payload bay and shudder.

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« Reply #124 on: 06/28/2024 04:18 pm »
Oh no, not that abomination !  ;D ;D ;D  It looks ridiculous only looking at it, standing still.

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The weight balance would have been... interesting. With all the related trim and CG issues. Hubble mirror alone would have "weighed" on one side but not the other.
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XB-70 Valkyrie Hypersonic Air Launcher

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Alternate concepts for the XB-70 ranged from cargo and personnel transport, supersonic tanker and reusable launch vehicle to name a few.  Some topics have enjoyed brief coverage in previous publications, yet most of what you will find resides in the archives of the Air Force Materiel Command History Office, a research facility located at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio.  Research revealed a variety of gems in these archives, many a simple mention or illustration in an obscure report while others came from archived materials supplied by the manufacturer.

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