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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #320 on: 07/18/2023 04:16 am »


What's expected is a generally monotonous increase, and right now it's a bit overdue.
Yes, math is boring, but I think you meant "monotonic".  :) And also yes, the difference between linear and exponential is currently below the level of the variance.

Hahaha it felt wrong when I was writing it....

Will not fix it though, I think it is art.

Monotonous art.
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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #321 on: 07/25/2023 04:29 pm »
SpaceX's 50th launch of the year on 7/25 is (if my math is correct) 98 days before their 50th launch of 2022, which happened on the 1st of November.  Impressive.

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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #322 on: 07/25/2023 05:09 pm »
SpaceX's 50th launch of the year on 7/25 is (if my math is correct) 98 days before their 50th launch of 2022, which happened on the 1st of November.  Impressive.
Yup and note that on their race to 60, they were behind the curve for most of the year, and then caught up - which means they were significantly over 60 in the last 2-3 months.

Then this year started out at ~84/yr, but may be starting to inch up.

This year is insane any way you cut it.

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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #323 on: 07/25/2023 10:37 pm »
Even a dozen more would set another vehicle record. So September to beat the previous record and every launch from then on just increasing the margins. It's weird to me that projections in the high 80s is considered short by some. Not predicting, just observing.

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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #324 on: 07/27/2023 01:30 am »
I don't think anybody is arguing that projections in the 80's are anything other than amazing.  Just tracking against the stated goal - "short" only by the goal that was thrown down.

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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #325 on: 07/30/2023 12:10 am »
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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #326 on: 07/30/2023 12:24 am »
When you consider that SpaceX are far more at risk from the Florida and Atlantic weather (not to mention the Pacific) than any other launch provider (they need good weather for launch *and* landing ten minutes later) their performance is simply astonishing. Their launch cadence and their reliability  - never mind over 200 booster recoveries and multiple reuses - was widely considered to be impossible until it happened and hitting the magic figure of 100 launches in a year is just a sideshow,

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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #327 on: 07/30/2023 04:09 pm »
My quick tracking estimate was:
100/yr requires 8/month on average, plus 4 some of which will be Starship.

Since we started with 7, then for every 7 we need a 9.

I was hoping for 7,7,7,7,8,8,8,8,9,9,9,9.

By mid year it had to be:
7,7,7,7,7,7,9,9,9,9,9,9.

Right now it'll have to be:
7,7,7,7,7,7,8,9,9,9,9,10

They need to be at 9 asap, It's getting harder by the week.
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Starting at 7 and ending at 10 is just a smooth exponential curve similar to the curve they got last year. It's expected, unless they stop trying to improve launch rate (in which case the launch rate will plateau) or have a Falcon 9 launch failure.

I get an estimated number of launches of 102-103 as of today, assuming gradual, compounding improvements (no sharp increases anywhere).

This estimate has not changed more than about 1% in the last 2 months. Meanwhile, linear extrapolations keep changing over time.

I expect around 100 launches per year as the mode or median, but the "average" value would be lower than that as there's still a non-insignificant chance of a Falcon failure (say, 10-25% cumulative through the end of the year), which would reduce the "average" to about 90 or so, mitigated by the fact that the failure is slightly more likely to occur later in the year and that if it occurs earlier, they may get back to launching in a couple months.
I know.

At this resolution though, it's really hard to tell the difference between different curve types, since the individual variances are too high.

What's expected is a generally monotonous increase, and right now it's a bit overdue.

I would be surprised if they stay at 7 per month.  I'd expect it to go up to 10 with time, but whether it'll happen fast enough to hit 100 this year is TBD.

It'll be hella cool if it happens, but honestly suppose they hit 100/year only in the last 6 months - I'd be ok with that too :)
Well, they got an 8, and are clearly capable of 9 (The payload out of Vandy got pushed out).  They were actually close to doing a 10.

So in practice they only ticked up to 8 but they showed there's nothing fundamental preventing them from going higher.

They do need to maintain 9+ now if they want a shot at 100.

The upcoming current C-40 gap might not allow that.
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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #328 on: 07/30/2023 08:58 pm »
They actually need to do 10- per month to make 100 at this point.  49 launches in 5 months - 4 10's and a 9.  Since there are no more launches this month, I'll throw the update in here as well.  Graph below is a repeat of the update at the front of the thread.  The second graph is what I posted earlier this month - the end of the year total, projected from the linear fit of launches to date.  It is gloriously insensitive to noise and is still essentially flat.

One thing to watch for is if there is an acceleration in the last months, the offset term of the curve fit will start to move in a negative direction and the actual end of year will exceed the total projected - even after the year is done.  Last year, the offset went negative at launch 22 and steadily "increased" to -2.2.  This year the offset was negartive by launch 8 but went postivie for a while and has been between -.3 and +.3 since. 
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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #329 on: 07/30/2023 09:23 pm »
They actually need to do 10- per month to make 100 at this point.  49 launches in 5 months - 4 10's and a 9.  Since there are no more launches this month, I'll throw the update in here as well.  Graph below is a repeat of the update at the front of the thread.  The second graph is what I posted earlier this month - the end of the year total, projected from the linear fit of launches to date.  It is gloriously insensitive to noise and is still essentially flat.

One thing to watch for is if there is an acceleration in the last months, the offset term of the curve fit will start to move in a negative direction and the actual end of year will exceed the total projected - even after the year is done.  Last year, the offset went negative at launch 22 and steadily "increased" to -2.2.  This year the offset was negartive by launch 8 but went postivie for a while and has been between -.3 and +.3 since.
Yeah, my "average 8" only gets you to 96 - I was counting on a couple more Starships to round up to 100.

So to my count they need 46 in 5 months - therefore 9 9 9 9 10 will do, or 8 9 9 10 10.

But should really try to avoid any more sevens.
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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #330 on: 07/30/2023 09:42 pm »
Unless there is a blow up of some kind, they're still going to have a banner year, no matter the final tally.

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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #331 on: 07/30/2023 09:44 pm »
Even if they only get about 90, that is still 1/3 more than last year.  Quite a jump. 

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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #332 on: 07/30/2023 09:56 pm »
Even if they only get about 90, that is still 1/3 more than last year.  Quite a jump. 

Guesses are just that, but arithmetic should be correct.
“about 90” would be 1/2 more than 61.
This does not contradict your point.
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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #333 on: 07/30/2023 09:58 pm »
Sorry, dividing 90 x 3.  You are right a 50% increase over last year. 

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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #334 on: 07/31/2023 01:35 am »
When you consider that SpaceX are far more at risk from the Florida and Atlantic weather (not to mention the Pacific) than any other launch provider (they need good weather for launch *and* landing ten minutes later) their performance is simply astonishing. Their launch cadence and their reliability  - never mind over 200 booster recoveries and multiple reuses - was widely considered to be impossible until it happened and hitting the magic figure of 100 launches in a year is just a sideshow,

It may be a sideshow but it's an entertaining one.

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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #335 on: 08/01/2023 02:22 am »
I said back in May I would wait a few more launches until I updated the various pads. Well spring turned to summer and...

Despite being a record year, LC-39A with all the Heavy and Dragon missions is well behind where it was in 2022. With Crew 7, Psyche, USSF-52, CRS SpX-29, and potentially Polaris Dawn coming up. Dare I say it, 2023 will most likely see fewer launches than 2022 did.

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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #336 on: 08/01/2023 02:25 am »
I didn't think it was possible, but SLC-40 appears to have slightly reduced days between launches over the last two months.
(Yet to be seen is the impact of crew access for this pad)
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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #337 on: 08/01/2023 02:28 am »
SLC-4E has also been tightening up the days between launches. It is these small improvements that feed the larger non-linear fit modeling of others. The pad rates are what is important, well and ASDS's turn around times... and the weather... and...

That said, it's only a graph. The upcoming Starlink 6-20 on maybe August 9th will tie, if not be the longest span between SLC-4E launches so far this year.
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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #338 on: 08/03/2023 08:01 pm »
https://twitter.com/_rykllan/status/1687190694698315778

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@elonmusk's 100 launches plan as of Aug 3, 2023

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Re: SpaceX progress towards a 100 launch year
« Reply #339 on: 08/16/2023 06:47 pm »
Here is what a graph of delta-V adjusted tonnage to orbit since 1957, with 2023 being estimations based on current pace of launches/future planned.

If you're wondering what a technological disruption looks like, this is it.

SpaceX is on pace to lift ~1,350 adjusted tonnes this year, for comparison, Europe and China's cumulative totals since their inception are ~3,200 tonnes and ~2,200 tonnes each...
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