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Offline steveleach

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F9 velocity after entry burn
« on: 02/02/2023 07:35 am »
Sorry if this has been asked before, but has anyone been tracking the history of the F9 booster's velocity when it completes its entry burn after each launch?

It feels like it is gradually increasing, which makes sense if they are slowly expanding the envelope and letting atmospheric drag do more and more of the work.

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Re: F9 velocity after entry burn
« Reply #1 on: 04/01/2023 11:22 pm »
I've had similar questions:

Such as
What is the use of a entry burn for RTLS, especially FH boosters?
The Entry burn start speed is less than the ASDS (barge) landing entry burn end speed.


Info I've gathered from webcast telemetry.

9 RTLS One Web 16  Jan 9 2023
Payload mass kg   5900      40x 147.5 = 5900 plus dispenser (1000kg??)

Entry Burn start speed 4473
Entry Burn end speed  2926

Time at Entry burn start: 06:07
Time at Entry burn stop:  06:26


FH side booster RTLS  USSF-67  Jan 2023
Payload mass kg  ??? to GEO

Entry Burn start speed 4472
Entry Burn end speed  3690

Time at Entry burn start: 06:33
Time at Entry burn stop:  06:44


F9 RTLS ISI EROS C-3 Dec 29 2022 Vandenburg
Payload mass kg 470

Entry Burn start speed  4651
Entry Burn end speed   2616

Time at Entry burn start: 06:24
Time at Entry burn stop:  06:45



F9 ASDS  Starlink  Dec 17th 2022  Cape
Payload mass kg

Entry Burn start speed  8152
Entry Burn end speed   6074   

Time at Entry burn start: 06:51
Time at Entry burn stop:  07:00

Distance to ASDS km est 656


F9 ASDS  Starlink 5-1  Dec 28th 2022  Cape
Payload mass kg 16200   54x300kg Starlink 1.5

Entry Burn start speed  8026
Entry Burn end speed   5627

Time at Entry burn start: 06:37
Time at Entry burn stop:  07:00

Distance to ASDS km  660

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Re: F9 velocity after entry burn
« Reply #2 on: 04/02/2023 12:47 am »
Flightclub.io has some pretty good data iirc.
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Offline LouScheffer

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Re: F9 velocity after entry burn
« Reply #3 on: 04/07/2023 09:30 pm »
The question of why FH needs entry burns at all has come up before.  Whatever the reason is, it does not appear to be heating.  From the last FH mission:
I think the biggest difference here is seen when comparing to a single-core mission, such as Starlink 5-1.  The boosters of a Heavy are pushing a much greater load (almost half of a full Falcon 9 each) than the booster of a Starlink.  As a result their acceleration tops out at 2Gs, and their speed at cutoff is much less (maybe 1500 m/s as opposed to about 2200 m/s, reading from the graphs).  The boostback burn helps even more, cutting the horizontal component roughly in half, since they take about 5 minutes to return where they spent 2.5 minutes going out.   As a result their boostback burn starts at about 1300 m/s and drops them to about 1000 m/s.  This is a quite short burn.  Then the slow speed means the aero deceleration is less, too, about 3.7 Gs peak.

On the StarLink missions, the entry burn starts at about 2200 m/s and ends at 1500 m/s.  That's more than twice the dV needed and explains why the entry burn is twice as long.  Then the higher exit speed from the burn means stronger aero deceleration (looks like about 5.8 Gs).  So FH side boosters have a very gentle mission compared to droneship landing missions or even RTLS single-stick missions.

It even looks to me like FH side boosters could get rid of the entry burn entirely.  After all, they start their entry burn with less speed than normal missions have after their entry burn.  The only reason I can see why they might not be able to do this is if they need the steering capability of the burn.  Even if so, they should be able to reduce the burn to a burp of just a second or so.

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Re: F9 velocity after entry burn
« Reply #4 on: 04/07/2023 09:59 pm »
What about using up fuel that they don't want to land with if they don't have to?  Is that even an issue?

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