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Electron : LC-1B : TROPICS F2: Rocket Like A Hurricane : 8 May 2023 01:00 UTC
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 23 Nov, 2022 13:39
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https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1595426341746364416NASA awards the remaining pair of TROPICS launches to Rocket Lab $RKLB:
The four cuebsats are expected to launch on two Electron rockets no earlier than May 1:
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-launch-services-task-order-for-tropics-cubesats-mission/Nov 23, 2022
RELEASE 22-123
NASA Awards Launch Services Task Order for TROPICS CubeSats Mission
NASA has selected Rocket Lab USA Inc. of Long Beach, California, to provide the launch service for the agency’s Time-Resolved Observations of Precipitation Structure and Storm Intensity with a Constellation of Smallsats (TROPICS) mission, as part of the agency's Venture-class Acquisition of Dedicated and Rideshare (VADR) launch services contract.
Rocket Lab is one of 13 companies NASA selected for VADR contracts in 2022. NASA’s Launch Services Program, based at the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida, manages the VADR contracts. As part of VADR, the fixed-price indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contracts have a five-year ordering period with a maximum total value of $300 million across all contracts.
The TROPICS mission consists of four CubeSats intended for two low-Earth orbital planes and is part of NASA’s Earth System Science Pathfinder Program. Rocket Lab will launch the TROPICS satellites into their operational orbits during a 60-day period (first insertion to final insertion). These two dedicated Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) licensed launches, each on an Electron Rocket are targeted to launch no earlier than May 1, 2023, enabling NASA to provide observations during the 2023 Atlantic hurricane season, which begins June 1.
The TROPICS constellation targets the formation and evolution of tropical cyclones, including hurricanes and will provide rapidly updating observations of storm intensity, as well as the horizontal and vertical structures of temperature and humidity within the storms and in their surrounding environment. These data will help scientists better understand the processes that effect these high-impact storms, ultimately leading to improved modeling and prediction.
Building on NASA's previous procurement efforts to foster development of new launch vehicles for NASA payloads, VADR provides FAA-licensed commercial launch services for payloads that can tolerate higher risk. By using a lower level of mission assurance, and commercial best practices for launching rockets, these highly flexible contracts help broaden access to space through lower launch costs.
For more information about NASA and other agency programs, visit:
https://www.nasa.gov
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Last Updated: Nov 23, 2022
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#1
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Conexion Espacial
on 23 Nov, 2022 14:00
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It will most likely be launched from Wallops, right?
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#2
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imprezive
on 23 Nov, 2022 14:04
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It will most likely be launched from Wallops, right?
Doubtful. They go to 30 deg inclination which I don’t think wallops can support.
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#3
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trimeta
on 23 Nov, 2022 14:34
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It will most likely be launched from Wallops, right?
Doubtful. They go to 30 deg inclination which I don’t think wallops can support.
Wallops and Mahia are at basically the same latitude, except one is north of the equator while the other is south.
That said, the geography may make doglegs harder at Wallops. On their website, Rocket Lab specifically says that Mahia can support launches to 30 degrees, while it says nothing about the inclinations supported by Wallops.
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#4
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edzieba
on 23 Nov, 2022 15:12
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It will most likely be launched from Wallops, right?
Doubtful. They go to 30 deg inclination which I don’t think wallops can support.
Wallops and Mahia are at basically the same latitude, except one is north of the equator while the other is south.
That said, the geography may make doglegs harder at Wallops. On their website, Rocket Lab specifically says that Mahia can support launches to 30 degrees, while it says nothing about the inclinations supported by Wallops.
The Payload User's Guide lists Wallops as supporting inclinations between 38° and 60°. It also lists Mahia's inclination range as 39° to 120°, so from either site 30° would be incorporating a plane change, not just a dogleg.
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#5
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trimeta
on 23 Nov, 2022 15:17
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The Payload User's Guide lists Wallops as supporting inclinations between 38° and 60°. It also lists Mahia's inclination range as 39° to 120°, so from either site 30° would be incorporating a plane change, not just a dogleg.
Doesn't a dogleg always imply a change in orbital inclination?
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#6
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edzieba
on 23 Nov, 2022 15:24
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The Payload User's Guide lists Wallops as supporting inclinations between 38° and 60°. It also lists Mahia's inclination range as 39° to 120°, so from either site 30° would be incorporating a plane change, not just a dogleg.
Doesn't a dogleg always imply a change in orbital inclination?
No. For example, the southern polar launch corridor from KSC & CCAFS is not an unachievable inclination without the dogleg, the dogleg is to physically relocate the stage drop sites away from populated areas.
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#7
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niwax
on 23 Nov, 2022 15:32
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Mahia and Wallops are both >1000km due north/south from 30°. That is way beyond dogleg territory, even if the were to launch straight north and do a 90° turn that would be around orbital insertion.
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#8
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trimeta
on 23 Nov, 2022 15:33
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The Payload User's Guide lists Wallops as supporting inclinations between 38° and 60°. It also lists Mahia's inclination range as 39° to 120°, so from either site 30° would be incorporating a plane change, not just a dogleg.
Doesn't a dogleg always imply a change in orbital inclination?
No. For example, the southern polar launch corridor from KSC & CCAFS is not an unachievable inclination without the dogleg, the dogleg is to physically relocate the stage drop sites away from populated areas.
It's unachievable without overflying populated areas. The initial launch inclination, without the dogleg, would lead to a different orbital inclination, and the dogleg changes the target orbital inclination.
Basically, I don't see a meaningful difference between "it changes the inclination because going directly without a dogleg would have involved overflying populated areas" and "it changes the inclination because going directly without a dogleg was physically impossible due to latitude." Both change the plane.
Edit: It occurred to me after thinking for a while that there is one potential difference: how long between launch and performing the trajectory-correction maneuver. If you're just trying to dodge populated areas, you can change as soon as you're past them, but if you're trying to hit a lower inclination than your launch latitude, you need to wait at least until you're under the appropriate latitude, if not until you hit the equator (I don't understand orbital mechanics enough to know whether making the change at the equator is extra efficient). The longer you wait to make the change, the faster you're going and the harder it is to change direction, so I could see "hitting extra-low inclinations" costing more than simple population avoidance maneuvers in general.
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#9
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TrevorMonty
on 23 Nov, 2022 15:50
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Choice of Electron is no surprise as it was cheapest and most reliable option to deliver these cubesats into orbit on time. LauncherOne was another option but lot more expensive.
In regards to discussion about reaching target orbits from Mahia or Wallops, Electron is way oversize for this mission which means there is lot of extra performance to play with. Curie kick stage can have extra fuel it needed to provide plane change.
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#10
by
butters
on 23 Nov, 2022 15:57
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We usually get the contract value in these press releases, but this time we only get the total value of all of the launch contracts under the VADR program. Astra won this contract (for the six cubesats) at $7.95M. Rocket Lab obviously won't launch two Electrons for that price. NASA will pay more for less (albeit with a much higher reliability launch provider) because of Astra's failure to deliver, but how much more? This could be a $15M contract or a $30M contract depending on how much it's marked up over base Electron pricing for NASA requirements. If they got too greedy they could lose out to Virgin Orbit, but they probably wouldn't do it for less than $30M.
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#11
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trimeta
on 23 Nov, 2022 16:11
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We usually get the contract value in these press releases, but this time we only get the total value of all of the launch contracts under the VADR program. Astra won this contract (for the six cubesats) at $7.95M. Rocket Lab obviously won't launch two Electrons for that price. NASA will pay more for less (albeit with a much higher reliability launch provider) because of Astra's failure to deliver, but how much more? This could be a $15M contract or a $30M contract depending on how much it's marked up over base Electron pricing for NASA requirements. If they got too greedy they could lose out to Virgin Orbit, but they probably wouldn't do it for less than $30M.
Honestly, I wouldn't expect that much of a markup. The only factors which make this launch atypical are the need for a plane change and the relative urgency (NASA wants these satellites up and running in time for the 2023 hurricane season). The payload is so light that I don't think any custom design work is needed to give Electron the power to perform the plane change (just some additional trajectory calculations), and with Rocket Lab often saying "we could launch more often, we just don't have the customers," I would imagine it's not that hard for them to squeeze in a couple more. Although I suppose to that last point, just because it's easy for Rocket Lab doesn't mean they can't charge a hefty markup anyway...
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#12
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ZachS09
on 23 Nov, 2022 16:23
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Choice of Electron is no surprise as it was cheapest and most reliable option to deliver these cubesats into orbit on time. LauncherOne was another option but lot more expensive.
In regards to discussion about reaching target orbits from Mahia or Wallops, Electron is way oversize for this mission which means there is lot of extra performance to play with. Curie kick stage can have extra fuel it needed to provide plane change.
I knew Rocket Lab was most likely to launch the TROPICS cubesats. What was that one member thinking when he believed Starship could launch the remaining four on its test flight?
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#13
by
edzieba
on 23 Nov, 2022 17:25
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Choice of Electron is no surprise as it was cheapest and most reliable option to deliver these cubesats into orbit on time. LauncherOne was another option but lot more expensive.
In regards to discussion about reaching target orbits from Mahia or Wallops, Electron is way oversize for this mission which means there is lot of extra performance to play with. Curie kick stage can have extra fuel it needed to provide plane change.
I knew Rocket Lab was most likely to launch the TROPICS cubesats. What was that one member thinking when he believed Starship could launch the remaining four on its test flight?
Because in addition to Astra, Rocketlab, and Virgin Orbit, SpaceX
also bid for the original TROPICS launch with Starship.
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#14
by
Skyrocket
on 23 Nov, 2022 17:27
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What was that one member thinking when he believed Starship could launch the remaining four on its test flight?
That was what SpaceX had offered in the original bid to launch TROPICS, which was then won by Astra.
I do not know if SpaceX had repeated it for the re-bid of the launch contract.
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#15
by
Skyrocket
on 23 Nov, 2022 17:29
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I suspect, the 30° inclination makes it difficult to find co-passengers for these launches. So they are dedicated launches?
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#16
by
Conexion Espacial
on 23 Nov, 2022 17:33
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#17
by
TrevorMonty
on 23 Nov, 2022 18:01
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#18
by
sdsds
on 23 Nov, 2022 19:43
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The Payload User's Guide lists Wallops as supporting inclinations between 38° and 60°. It also lists Mahia's inclination range as 39° to 120°, so from either site 30° would be incorporating a plane change, not just a dogleg.
Doesn't a dogleg always imply a change in orbital inclination?
No. For example, the southern polar launch corridor from KSC & CCAFS is not an unachievable inclination without the dogleg, the dogleg is to physically relocate the stage drop sites away from populated areas.
Is it fair to guess that the vehicle will fly a mostly vertical ascent slowly drifting southeast and then, once at an altitude outside the atmosphere but still going nowhere close to orbital speed, perform a
sub-orbital inclination change? That's not like a dog-leg in the atmosphere right after lift-off, but it isn't like an
orbital inclination change either....
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#19
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edkyle99
on 23 Nov, 2022 20:27
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"Launch Complex 2" seems to be just a Rocket Lab in-house identifier. MARS has "Launch Pad 0A" (Antares) and "Launch Pad 0B" (Minotaur) and on its web site identifies the new Electron pad as "Launch Pad 0C".
https://www.vaspace.org/our-facilitiesWallops Flight Facility already has/had a "Launch Area 1" and a "Launch Area 2" which were used for sounding rockets. "Launch Area 3" handled Scout back in the day. And so on.
- Ed Kyle
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#20
by
trimeta
on 23 Nov, 2022 21:17
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"Launch Complex 2" seems to be just a Rocket Lab in-house identifier. MARS has "Launch Pad 0A" (Antares) and "Launch Pad 0B" (Minotaur) and on its web site identifies the new Electron pad as "Launch Pad 0C".
https://www.vaspace.org/our-facilities
Wallops Flight Facility already has/had a "Launch Area 1" and a "Launch Area 2" which were used for sounding rockets. "Launch Area 3" handled Scout back in the day. And so on.
- Ed Kyle
When SpaceX took over CCAFS Launch Complex 13 to build their landing zone, they renamed it LZ-1 (and later added LZ-2). I view Rocket Lab Launch Complex 2 the same way: they built it, they get to name it, even if that's inconsistent with the name scheme used by other nearby pads.
If it helps, they're consistent about saying "Launch
Complex," so it's distinct from any nearby Launch
Areas.
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#21
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Steven Pietrobon
on 24 Nov, 2022 05:14
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From a 185 km insertion orbit, the required delta-V to go to a 550 km circular orbit with an 8º plane change (38 to 30 degrees) is 1088.1 m/s.
Enter initial perigee height (km): 185
Enter initial apogee height (km): 185
Enter required inclination change (deg): 8
Enter required perigee height (km): 550
Enter required apogee height (km): 550
Burn at 185.0 km: theta1 = 2.33 deg, dv1 = 335.8 m/s
Burn at 550.0 km: theta2 = 5.67 deg, dv2 = 752.3 m/s
dv = 1088.1 m/s
Using the attached program, a delta-V of 1088.1 m/s is equivalent to reaching a height of 2220.3 km without a plane change. Extrapolating from the Electron users guide, that gives a payload of 140 kg for an equivalent 40º circular orbit. Two TROPICS cubesats are 12 kg total, so Electron should have performance in reserve.
ha = 2220.3 km
dv = 1088.1 m/s
I used the last two points to generate the following linear extrapolation formula. For 400 km, the formula gives 272 kg, pretty close to the 270 kg value in the graph, so it seems to be good over a wide range.
mc = -0.07222*h + 300.6
h = height in km
mc = payload in kg
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#22
by
ZachS09
on 24 Nov, 2022 05:17
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Why can't they launch all four cubesats in one go?
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#23
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Steven Pietrobon
on 24 Nov, 2022 05:27
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Why can't they launch all four cubesats in one go?
They are in different orbital planes.
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#24
by
edzieba
on 24 Nov, 2022 11:07
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Edit: It occurred to me after thinking for a while that there is one potential difference: how long between launch and performing the trajectory-correction maneuver. If you're just trying to dodge populated areas, you can change as soon as you're past them, but if you're trying to hit a lower inclination than your launch latitude, you need to wait at least until you're under the appropriate latitude, if not until you hit the equator (I don't understand orbital mechanics enough to know whether making the change at the equator is extra efficient). The longer you wait to make the change, the faster you're going and the harder it is to change direction, so I could see "hitting extra-low inclinations" costing more than simple population avoidance maneuvers in general.
Trying to plane change at time of launch is inefficient (you waste energy gaining velocity you then need to waste more energy cancelling out again), plane changes are most efficient at apoapsis. You launch to a transfer orbit at the minimum inclination achievable (38°) then perform the plane change from that transfer orbit. The higher you can get your apoapsis (and therefor the lower the orbital velocity at apoapsis) the less energy needed for the plane change - but the more energy needed for the eccentricity change, so there is a tradeoff. This is why many GSO launches launch to supersynchronous GTO transfer orbits in order to perform the plane change with minimum propellant usage.
A dogleg is not a plane change, it is a temporary shifting of ground track (or more accurately, steering of the IIP).
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#25
by
trimeta
on 24 Nov, 2022 12:05
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Edit: It occurred to me after thinking for a while that there is one potential difference: how long between launch and performing the trajectory-correction maneuver. If you're just trying to dodge populated areas, you can change as soon as you're past them, but if you're trying to hit a lower inclination than your launch latitude, you need to wait at least until you're under the appropriate latitude, if not until you hit the equator (I don't understand orbital mechanics enough to know whether making the change at the equator is extra efficient). The longer you wait to make the change, the faster you're going and the harder it is to change direction, so I could see "hitting extra-low inclinations" costing more than simple population avoidance maneuvers in general.
Trying to plane change at time of launch is inefficient (you waste energy gaining velocity you then need to waste more energy cancelling out again), plane changes are most efficient at apoapsis. You launch to a transfer orbit at the minimum inclination achievable (38°) then perform the plane change from that transfer orbit. The higher you can get your apoapsis (and therefor the lower the orbital velocity at apoapsis) the less energy needed for the plane change - but the more energy needed for the eccentricity change, so there is a tradeoff. This is why many GSO launches launch to supersynchronous GTO transfer orbits in order to perform the plane change with minimum propellant usage.
A dogleg is not a plane change, it is a temporary shifting of ground track (or more accurately, steering of the IIP).
It still seems to me like any maneuver which changes the angle the rocket is traveling at will change the orbital inclination, and thus plane, relative to where the rocket would have gone absent said maneuver. However, I'll grant that performing this maneuver early into the first-stage flight, while the rocket is still gaining speed, is very different from doing so with a relight of the second-stage engine at apoapsis. Perhaps to the point where I have to abandon calling the latter a "dogleg," since the ground track doesn't change until half an orbit away from the launch site, thus looking nothing like the quick bend associated with a dogleg.
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#26
by
edzieba
on 24 Nov, 2022 12:19
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Edit: It occurred to me after thinking for a while that there is one potential difference: how long between launch and performing the trajectory-correction maneuver. If you're just trying to dodge populated areas, you can change as soon as you're past them, but if you're trying to hit a lower inclination than your launch latitude, you need to wait at least until you're under the appropriate latitude, if not until you hit the equator (I don't understand orbital mechanics enough to know whether making the change at the equator is extra efficient). The longer you wait to make the change, the faster you're going and the harder it is to change direction, so I could see "hitting extra-low inclinations" costing more than simple population avoidance maneuvers in general.
Trying to plane change at time of launch is inefficient (you waste energy gaining velocity you then need to waste more energy cancelling out again), plane changes are most efficient at apoapsis. You launch to a transfer orbit at the minimum inclination achievable (38°) then perform the plane change from that transfer orbit. The higher you can get your apoapsis (and therefor the lower the orbital velocity at apoapsis) the less energy needed for the plane change - but the more energy needed for the eccentricity change, so there is a tradeoff. This is why many GSO launches launch to supersynchronous GTO transfer orbits in order to perform the plane change with minimum propellant usage.
A dogleg is not a plane change, it is a temporary shifting of ground track (or more accurately, steering of the IIP).
It still seems to me like any maneuver which changes the angle the rocket is traveling at will change the orbital inclination, and thus plane, relative to where the rocket would have gone absent said maneuver.
No.
A dogleg does not change the inclination you can reach from a launch site by any appreciable value. It minimises the risk of dropping debris over population areas, but if those keep-out areas were not present then you could launch directly to that inclination form the same launch site. The velocity you add as part of the dogleg manoeuvre almost always ends up as part of the velocity component of the final orbit.
A plane change is fundamentally different. You cannot launch from a 38° latitude launch site to a 30° inclined orbit no matter what direction you point the rocket. If you try and 'fly towards the equator' then turn 90° to point towards your desired inclination, you need to cancel out the 'northwards' velocity you gained in doing so. That means you waste energy gaining velocity and then cancelling that velocity again.
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#27
by
trimeta
on 24 Nov, 2022 13:31
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No.
A dogleg does not change the inclination you can reach from a launch site by any appreciable value. It minimises the risk of dropping debris over population areas, but if those keep-out areas were not present then you could launch directly to that inclination form the same launch site. The velocity you add as part of the dogleg manoeuvre almost always ends up as part of the velocity component of the final orbit.
A plane change is fundamentally different. You cannot launch from a 38° latitude launch site to a 30° inclined orbit no matter what direction you point the rocket. If you try and 'fly towards the equator' then turn 90° to point towards your desired inclination, you need to cancel out the 'northwards' velocity you gained in doing so. That means you waste energy gaining velocity and then cancelling that velocity again.
I didn't say it changes the inclination
you can reach. I said it changes the inclination
you would be headed to if you didn't use the dogleg. If the rocket initially launches at 40°, and then 20 miles downrange changes to be going to 50°, it will end up in a different orbital plane vs. if it continued at 40°. Yes, it could also have reached the 50° inclination by going straight and not worrying about the ground track, but
it didn't, to avoid overflying populated areas. So in this case, the dogleg changed where the rocket ended up.
Again, I'm not saying that the dogleg "plane changed" because it enabled accessing an inclination otherwise inaccessible due to latitude. That inclination could have been reached without the dogleg, by just overflying land. But it
wasn't, because the rocket
didn't start out aiming for the correct inclination. The dogleg changed where it ended up, relative to its initial trajectory. What do you call it if the initial trajectory went to one plane, then something happened to change it to another one?
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#28
by
edzieba
on 24 Nov, 2022 15:28
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No.
A dogleg does not change the inclination you can reach from a launch site by any appreciable value. It minimises the risk of dropping debris over population areas, but if those keep-out areas were not present then you could launch directly to that inclination form the same launch site. The velocity you add as part of the dogleg manoeuvre almost always ends up as part of the velocity component of the final orbit.
A plane change is fundamentally different. You cannot launch from a 38° latitude launch site to a 30° inclined orbit no matter what direction you point the rocket. If you try and 'fly towards the equator' then turn 90° to point towards your desired inclination, you need to cancel out the 'northwards' velocity you gained in doing so. That means you waste energy gaining velocity and then cancelling that velocity again.
I didn't say it changes the inclination you can reach. I said it changes the inclination you would be headed to if you didn't use the dogleg. If the rocket initially launches at 40°, and then 20 miles downrange changes to be going to 50°, it will end up in a different orbital plane vs. if it continued at 40°. Yes, it could also have reached the 50° inclination by going straight and not worrying about the ground track, but it didn't, to avoid overflying populated areas. So in this case, the dogleg changed where the rocket ended up.
Again, I'm not saying that the dogleg "plane changed" because it enabled accessing an inclination otherwise inaccessible due to latitude. That inclination could have been reached without the dogleg, by just overflying land. But it wasn't, because the rocket didn't start out aiming for the correct inclination. The dogleg changed where it ended up, relative to its initial trajectory. What do you call it if the initial trajectory went to one plane, then something happened to change it to another one?
You've missed the entire second half of the post, which explains the critical difference between a dogleg and a plane change.
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#29
by
TrevorMonty
on 24 Nov, 2022 16:27
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Edit: It occurred to me after thinking for a while that there is one potential difference: how long between launch and performing the trajectory-correction maneuver. If you're just trying to dodge populated areas, you can change as soon as you're past them, but if you're trying to hit a lower inclination than your launch latitude, you need to wait at least until you're under the appropriate latitude, if not until you hit the equator (I don't understand orbital mechanics enough to know whether making the change at the equator is extra efficient). The longer you wait to make the change, the faster you're going and the harder it is to change direction, so I could see "hitting extra-low inclinations" costing more than simple population avoidance maneuvers in general.
Trying to plane change at time of launch is inefficient (you waste energy gaining velocity you then need to waste more energy cancelling out again), plane changes are most efficient at apoapsis. You launch to a transfer orbit at the minimum inclination achievable (38°) then perform the plane change from that transfer orbit. The higher you can get your apoapsis (and therefor the lower the orbital velocity at apoapsis) the less energy needed for the plane change - but the more energy needed for the eccentricity change, so there is a tradeoff. This is why many GSO launches launch to supersynchronous GTO transfer orbits in order to perform the plane change with minimum propellant usage.
These are type maneuvers Electrons's high endurance kick stage is ideal for.
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#30
by
sdsds
on 24 Nov, 2022 17:12
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From a 185 km insertion orbit, the required delta-V to go to a 550 km circular orbit with an 8º plane change (38 to 30 degrees) is 1088.1 m/s.
Enter initial perigee height (km): 185
Enter initial apogee height (km): 185
Enter required inclination change (deg): 8
Enter required perigee height (km): 550
Enter required apogee height (km): 550
Burn at 185.0 km: theta1 = 2.33 deg, dv1 = 335.8 m/s
Burn at 550.0 km: theta2 = 5.67 deg, dv2 = 752.3 m/s
dv = 1088.1 m/s
This is great!
When doing calculations like this in the past I've always assumed the burns would happen at equator crossings, because otherwise you can't get to a 0 deg inclination orbit. But if the target orbit is 30 deg then in theory you could do the plane change from 38 deg inclination as soon as you reach 30 deg latitude, all in one burn. If the initial apogee height were 185 km and the initial perigee height were -1000 km (i.e. sub-orbital), the single burn could conceivably require lower total deltav than the two burn approach. (Of course I should do the math before posting like this; oh, weakness!)
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#31
by
trimeta
on 24 Nov, 2022 21:51
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No.
A dogleg does not change the inclination you can reach from a launch site by any appreciable value. It minimises the risk of dropping debris over population areas, but if those keep-out areas were not present then you could launch directly to that inclination form the same launch site. The velocity you add as part of the dogleg manoeuvre almost always ends up as part of the velocity component of the final orbit.
A plane change is fundamentally different. You cannot launch from a 38° latitude launch site to a 30° inclined orbit no matter what direction you point the rocket. If you try and 'fly towards the equator' then turn 90° to point towards your desired inclination, you need to cancel out the 'northwards' velocity you gained in doing so. That means you waste energy gaining velocity and then cancelling that velocity again.
I didn't say it changes the inclination you can reach. I said it changes the inclination you would be headed to if you didn't use the dogleg. If the rocket initially launches at 40°, and then 20 miles downrange changes to be going to 50°, it will end up in a different orbital plane vs. if it continued at 40°. Yes, it could also have reached the 50° inclination by going straight and not worrying about the ground track, but it didn't, to avoid overflying populated areas. So in this case, the dogleg changed where the rocket ended up.
Again, I'm not saying that the dogleg "plane changed" because it enabled accessing an inclination otherwise inaccessible due to latitude. That inclination could have been reached without the dogleg, by just overflying land. But it wasn't, because the rocket didn't start out aiming for the correct inclination. The dogleg changed where it ended up, relative to its initial trajectory. What do you call it if the initial trajectory went to one plane, then something happened to change it to another one?
You've missed the entire second half of the post, which explains the critical difference between a dogleg and a plane change.
I agree there are two different types of maneuvers. I'm saying that
both of them change the plane. Maybe formally, only one is called a "plane change." But just because you
could reach a given inclination from a particular launch site without any sort of maneuver (if you were willing to overfly populated area), if for
one specific launch the
initial heading does
not go to the inclination you actually want (because you're performing a dogleg maneuver), then changing your heading later
changes the plane. And no amount of telling me "it's only a plane change if you use it to hit an inclination that would otherwise have been physically impossible from that latitude" will make me think that changing the ground track of the rocket has no impact on the plane. If you launched due east from a 38° north latitude launch site, then 50 miles later turned the rocket due north, are you going to end up in a 38° inclination orbit? The fact that you
could have aimed the rocket due north when you launched it doesn't change that for
this launch, you
didn't.(And yes, that particular example is especially silly. The example isn't supposed to be efficient or directly represent any sort of realistic trajectory that one would ever use. It's supposed to be an extreme example to illustrate what I'm getting at.)
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#32
by
sdsds
on 25 Nov, 2022 02:42
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Has Rocket Lab or NASA indicated anything about whether the TROPICS launch windows will be instantaneous? ULA is rightly proud of their launch systems' ability to do "RAAN steering" into a target orbital plane. See e.g.:
https://blog.ulalaunch.com/blog/lucy-trajectory-technique-gives-atlas-v-time-to-launchI suppose it might be worth using a term like "inclination steering" rather than "dogleg" to describe the (simpler) process of targeting an inclination that would be otherwise unavailable from a launch site.
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#33
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edzieba
on 25 Nov, 2022 10:48
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No.
A dogleg does not change the inclination you can reach from a launch site by any appreciable value. It minimises the risk of dropping debris over population areas, but if those keep-out areas were not present then you could launch directly to that inclination form the same launch site. The velocity you add as part of the dogleg manoeuvre almost always ends up as part of the velocity component of the final orbit.
A plane change is fundamentally different. You cannot launch from a 38° latitude launch site to a 30° inclined orbit no matter what direction you point the rocket. If you try and 'fly towards the equator' then turn 90° to point towards your desired inclination, you need to cancel out the 'northwards' velocity you gained in doing so. That means you waste energy gaining velocity and then cancelling that velocity again.
I didn't say it changes the inclination you can reach. I said it changes the inclination you would be headed to if you didn't use the dogleg. If the rocket initially launches at 40°, and then 20 miles downrange changes to be going to 50°, it will end up in a different orbital plane vs. if it continued at 40°. Yes, it could also have reached the 50° inclination by going straight and not worrying about the ground track, but it didn't, to avoid overflying populated areas. So in this case, the dogleg changed where the rocket ended up.
Again, I'm not saying that the dogleg "plane changed" because it enabled accessing an inclination otherwise inaccessible due to latitude. That inclination could have been reached without the dogleg, by just overflying land. But it wasn't, because the rocket didn't start out aiming for the correct inclination. The dogleg changed where it ended up, relative to its initial trajectory. What do you call it if the initial trajectory went to one plane, then something happened to change it to another one?
You've missed the entire second half of the post, which explains the critical difference between a dogleg and a plane change.
I agree there are two different types of maneuvers. I'm saying that both of them change the plane. Maybe formally, only one is called a "plane change." But just because you could reach a given inclination from a particular launch site without any sort of maneuver (if you were willing to overfly populated area), if for one specific launch the initial heading does not go to the inclination you actually want (because you're performing a dogleg maneuver), then changing your heading later changes the plane. And no amount of telling me "it's only a plane change if you use it to hit an inclination that would otherwise have been physically impossible from that latitude" will make me think that changing the ground track of the rocket has no impact on the plane. If you launched due east from a 38° north latitude launch site, then 50 miles later turned the rocket due north, are you going to end up in a 38° inclination orbit? The fact that you could have aimed the rocket due north when you launched it doesn't change that for this launch, you didn't.
(And yes, that particular example is especially silly. The example isn't supposed to be efficient or directly represent any sort of realistic trajectory that one would ever use. It's supposed to be an extreme example to illustrate what I'm getting at.)
If you count every change in vehicle direction as a plane change, then every single Shuttle mission, every Apollo mission, every Falcon mission, etc (basically every vehicle other than Soyuz with its rotating launch table) conducted a 'plane change' immediately after liftoff due to the roll program and gravity turn manoeuvres being conducted at the same time but not taking the same amount of time.
It is a nonsensical definition of 'plane change' to apply it to every vehicle attitude change, and makes about as much sense as trying to call any vehicle pitch change an eccentricity variation.
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#34
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edkyle99
on 25 Nov, 2022 14:45
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"Launch Complex 2" seems to be just a Rocket Lab in-house identifier. MARS has "Launch Pad 0A" (Antares) and "Launch Pad 0B" (Minotaur) and on its web site identifies the new Electron pad as "Launch Pad 0C".
https://www.vaspace.org/our-facilities
Wallops Flight Facility already has/had a "Launch Area 1" and a "Launch Area 2" which were used for sounding rockets. "Launch Area 3" handled Scout back in the day. And so on.
- Ed Kyle
When SpaceX took over CCAFS Launch Complex 13 to build their landing zone, they renamed it LZ-1 (and later added LZ-2). I view Rocket Lab Launch Complex 2 the same way: they built it, they get to name it, even if that's inconsistent with the name scheme used by other nearby pads.
If it helps, they're consistent about saying "Launch Complex," so it's distinct from any nearby Launch Areas.
SpaceX originally called it "Landing Complex 1", which conflicted slightly with the original LC (Launch Complex) 1 at the Cape. They even put up a sign. Then the name changed to "Zone", possibly to de-conflict with Air Force naming conventions. At Wallops, Electron will be flying from Pad 0C because that's the MARS identification.
- Ed Kyle
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#35
by
Comga
on 25 Nov, 2022 16:05
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Edit: It occurred to me after thinking for a while that there is one potential difference: how long between launch and performing the trajectory-correction maneuver. If you're just trying to dodge populated areas, you can change as soon as you're past them, but if you're trying to hit a lower inclination than your launch latitude, you need to wait at least until you're under the appropriate latitude, if not until you hit the equator (I don't understand orbital mechanics enough to know whether making the change at the equator is extra efficient). The longer you wait to make the change, the faster you're going and the harder it is to change direction, so I could see "hitting extra-low inclinations" costing more than simple population avoidance maneuvers in general.
Trying to plane change at time of launch is inefficient (you waste energy gaining velocity you then need to waste more energy cancelling out again), plane changes are most efficient at apoapsis. You launch to a transfer orbit at the minimum inclination achievable (38°) then perform the plane change from that transfer orbit. The higher you can get your apoapsis (and therefor the lower the orbital velocity at apoapsis) the less energy needed for the plane change - but the more energy needed for the eccentricity change, so there is a tradeoff. This is why many GSO launches launch to supersynchronous GTO transfer orbits in order to perform the plane change with minimum propellant usage.
A dogleg is not a plane change, it is a temporary shifting of ground track (or more accurately, steering of the IIP).
Is any of this correct?
A dogleg IS a plane change.
Period
Plane changes are more efficient when done at lower velocity. That means at apogee (apoapsis in general) not perigee. That’s why supra-synchronous transfer orbits work well.
Or it means soon after launch like the gravity turn from getting out of the atmosphere to gaining orbital velocity.
All energy is not equal between stages.
Photon may have capacity to change altitude and self-deorbit, but it’s not enough for much of a plane change.
The specific optimum requires math, obviously, calculus of variations and such, which I can no longer do. But shy of calculating (“just an opinion”) Electron likely will launch to the southeast, and yaw eastward when it gets near 30 deg N, making much of total plane change as early as possible.
We have members on NSF who can do that calculation, and I hope they do.
The “roll programs” are completely separate, distinct from any change in direction. Those are to simplify internal guidance calculations.
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#36
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edzieba
on 25 Nov, 2022 17:54
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A dogleg IS a plane change.
Period
No. A dogleg is a manoeuvre to shift the ground track for a launch azimuth to an inclination that is achievable at the launch site latitude but required ground avoidance. A plane change is when you change the plane of an orbit to one you could not achieve from that latitude (otherwise you would have launched to that inclination).
Plane changes are more efficient when done at lower velocity. That means at apogee (apoapsis in general) not perigee. That’s why supra-synchronous transfer orbits work well.
Or it means soon after launch like the gravity turn from getting out of the atmosphere to gaining orbital velocity.
All energy is not equal between stages.
No, plane changes are
not efficient during ascent. That is why nobody performs plane changes during ascent, and do it once in a parking or transfer orbit instead.
Photon may have capacity to change altitude and self-deorbit, but it’s not enough for much of a plane change.
Photon (and the kick-stage, which is likely what will be used as the full Photon capability is not required) has sufficient delta-V for the required plane change, as calculated earlier in the thread.
The “roll programs” are completely separate, distinct from any change in direction. Those are to simplify internal guidance calculations.
Vehicles do not leap off the pad directly into the final launch azimuth. They first need to clear the physical structure around the pad, then the pad complex, then the launch complex (for US sites, that means getting out over the ocean as all sites are coastal), then you can start being concerned with final launch azimuth.
For example, Shuttle first had to clear the launch mounts, then pitch over 'backwards' (which because the MLP could not rotate, meant the vehicle was now pitched due south), then clear the launch complex, and only then could it start the roll program to bring it to the final launch azimuth.
By the "any vehicle direction change is a plane change" idea, that would mean that every single Shuttle launch was a 0° polar orbit launch that conducted a plane change to the final 35°-120° azimuth.
::EDIT:: Attached is another Shuttle-era example: a dogleg that performs no inclination change at all. This is also what Atlas V's 'RAAN steering' also does.
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#37
by
LouScheffer
on 02 Dec, 2022 01:17
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It still seems to me like any maneuver which changes the angle the rocket is traveling at will change the orbital inclination, and thus plane, relative to where the rocket would have gone absent said maneuver.
The mathematician in me forces me to say this is not true that a change in flight angle
always results in a change in inclination. For example, suppose you launch from the cape. When you reach the equator your trajectory is 28.5 degrees to the equator, going south. Then suppose you do an enormous plane change, until you are pointing 28.5 degrees north of the equator. Both orbits have exactly the same inclination. So a huge change in angle, 57 degrees, results in no change in inclination. Of course this is an enormously expensive and completely pointless maneuver, since the same resulting orbit can be obtained simply be launching earlier or later. But it's mathematically possible.
More practically, any burn that is within the plane of the existing orbit (but not straight ahead or straight back) will change the direction of flight without changing the inclination or orbital plane. It can change the apogee, perigee, eccentricity, and so on, and is often used for this purpose.
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#38
by
trimeta
on 02 Dec, 2022 05:35
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It still seems to me like any maneuver which changes the angle the rocket is traveling at will change the orbital inclination, and thus plane, relative to where the rocket would have gone absent said maneuver.
The mathematician in me forces me to say this is not true that a change in flight angle always results in a change in inclination. For example, suppose you launch from the cape. When you reach the equator your trajectory is 28.5 degrees to the equator, going south. Then suppose you do an enormous plane change, until you are pointing 28.5 degrees north of the equator. Both orbits have exactly the same inclination. So a huge change in angle, 57 degrees, results in no change in inclination. Of course this is an enormously expensive and completely pointless maneuver, since the same resulting orbit can be obtained simply be launching earlier or later. But it's mathematically possible.
More practically, any burn that is within the plane of the existing orbit (but not straight ahead or straight back) will change the direction of flight without changing the inclination or orbital plane. It can change the apogee, perigee, eccentricity, and so on, and is often used for this purpose.
Sure, I wasn't talking about things in the same "direction" as gravity turns or whatnot. Although I hadn't considered edzieba's point about launches from non-rotating pads where infrastructure (and possibly making a beeline to the coast) means you're not headed to the target inclination from T-0. I still think there's a little difference between doing this turn moments after you clear the tower and tens of miles downrange, but (and I say this as a non-rocket scientist) I could see the calculations being very similar, since you're making the adjustment during the initial boost phase in either case.
Although I'd say that ULA's "RAAN steering,"
if it means turning
twice as in the picture, doesn't count as "changing the inclination" in the same way a dogleg does, simply because it changes it once but then
changes it back to what it started at. Of course, the scale in that picture could be wrong, perhaps the initial trajectory (before the first turn) is different from the final heading (after the second turn), in which case it's doing the same thing as a dogleg.
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#39
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Conexion Espacial
on 10 Apr, 2023 20:27
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#40
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Conexion Espacial
on 10 Apr, 2023 20:35
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Any moderator who can change the title of the forum:
Electron : LC-1B : TROPICS Flight 2: Rocket Like A Hurricane : May 1, 2023 (01:00 UTC)
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#41
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Conexion Espacial
on 10 Apr, 2023 20:36
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#42
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Conexion Espacial
on 10 Apr, 2023 21:00
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#43
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 10 Apr, 2023 23:17
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https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230410005386/en/Rocket-Lab-to-Launch-NASA%E2%80%99s-Cyclone-Tracking-Satellite-Constellation-from-New-ZealandRocket Lab to Launch NASA’s Cyclone-Tracking Satellite Constellation from New Zealand
To ensure the constellation is in orbit for the 2023 storm season, Rocket Lab will launch NASA’s four TROPICS satellites from Launch Complex 1 in New Zealand across two dedicated Electron missions in May
April 10, 2023 04:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time
LONG BEACH, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Rocket Lab USA, Inc. (Nasdaq: RKLB) (“Rocket Lab” or “the Company”), a leading launch and space systems company, today announced it will launch NASA’s TROPICS constellation across two dedicated Electron missions lifting off from Launch Complex 1 in New Zealand next month.
The TROPICS constellation (Time-Resolved Observations of Precipitation Structure and Storm Intensity with a Constellation of Small Sats) will monitor the formation and evolution of tropical cyclones, including hurricanes, and will provide rapidly updating observations of storm intensity. This data will help scientists better understand the processes that effect these high-impact storms, ultimately leading to improved modelling and prediction. The two missions are expected to launch within approximately two weeks of each other in May 2023. The first launch, named ‘Rocket Like a Hurricane,’ is expected to launch as soon as May 1 NZST (30 April EDT) and the second mission, named ‘Coming to a Storm Near You,’ is expected to follow around May 16 NZST (May 15 EDT).
The constellation, which is part of NASA’s Earth System Science Pathfinder Program, consists of four CubeSats that require launch to a specific orbit at an altitude of 550 kilometers and inclination of about 30 degrees. All four satellites need to be deployed into their operational orbit within a 60-day period, making Electron the ideal launch vehicle as it enables dedicated launch to unique orbits on highly responsive timelines. The two missions were initially scheduled to lift-off from Launch Complex 2 at the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport within NASA’s Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia but will now take place at Launch Complex 1 in New Zealand to support a Q2 launch window that will see the satellites reach orbit in time for the North American 2023 hurricane season.
“The need for improved climate and weather data from space is acute and growing. Hurricanes and tropical storms have a devastating effect on lives and livelihoods, so we’re immensely proud to be entrusted by NASA to launch the TROPICS missions which will enable scientists and researchers to accurately predict storm strength and give people time to evacuate and make plans,” said Rocket Lab founder and CEO, Peter Beck. “With the 2023 hurricane season fast approaching, time is of the essence for these missions. Because we operate three launch pads across two countries, we can constantly assess the launch manifest and adapt launch schedules and locations based on customer and mission requirements.”
“The ability to advance our understanding of tropical cyclones from space has been limited by the ability to take frequent measurements, particularly from microwave instruments that see into the storms,” says Will McCarty, Program Scientist for the TROPICS Mission. “Historically, satellites have been too large and expensive to provide observations at a time-frequency that is consistent with the timescales at which tropical cyclones can evolve. The CubeSat era has allowed for smaller, less expensive satellites. With modern small satellite design, we designed a constellation that optimizes the scientific utility of the mission in a way that we can launch in a cost-effective manner. These factors enable TROPICS to provide a new understanding of tropical cyclones by decreasing the time by which a given storm is revisited by the satellites.”
Rocket Lab was selected to launch the TROPICS missions as part of NASA’s Venture-class Acquisition of Dedicated and Rideshare (VADR) launch services contract.
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#44
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Bean Kenobi
on 11 Apr, 2023 11:45
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No more to be launched from MARS but from Mahia (N-Z).
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#45
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Ken the Bin
on 13 Apr, 2023 04:22
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#46
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 15 Apr, 2023 02:56
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https://twitter.com/rocketlab/status/1646968461162344448Two launches, four satellites, one mission - to monitor hurricanes and extreme storms to better predict their intensity and save lives.
Both Electron rockets are now undergoing final preparation ahead of lift-off for the two @NASA TROPICS launches next month 🚀🚀🛰️🛰️🛰️🛰️
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#47
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FutureSpaceTourist
on 19 Apr, 2023 06:00
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#48
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 24 Apr, 2023 20:39
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#49
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TrevorMonty
on 24 Apr, 2023 20:54
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Launch is UTC 01:00 on 1st.
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#50
by
Targeteer
on 24 Apr, 2023 21:42
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April 24, 2023
MEDIA ADVISORY M23-048
NASA, Rocket Lab Set Coverage for Tropical Cyclones Mission
Hurricane Ian as captured by the MODIS instrument on NASA’s Terra on Sept. 27, 2022.
NASA’s TROPICS (Time-Resolved Observations of Precipitation structure and storm Intensity with a Constellation of Smallsats) is a mission to study tropical cyclones, such as Hurricane Ian, pictured here as captured by the MODIS instrument on NASA’s Terra on Sept. 27, 2022.
Credits: NASA
NASA and Rocket Lab are targeting 9 p.m. EDT, Sunday, April 30 (1 p.m. New Zealand Standard Time, Monday, May 1), to launch two storm tracking CubeSats into orbit.
The agency’s TROPICS (Time-Resolved Observations of Precipitation structure and storm Intensity with a Constellation of Smallsats) mission has a two hour launch window from Launch Complex 1 Pad B in Māhia, New Zealand.
Rocket Lab will provide live coverage beginning approximately 20 minutes before launch. Coverage will air on NASA Television, the NASA app, and the agency’s website, as well as the Rocket Lab website.
TROPICS is a constellation of four identical CubeSats designed to observe tropical cyclones from low Earth orbit, making observations more frequently than current weather tracking satellites. Both payloads, each carrying a pair of CubeSats, will launch on a Rocket Lab Electron rocket.
A second launch from Rocket Lab with two additional CubeSats is targeted for Monday, May 15 EDT (Tuesday, May 16 NZST), with exact launch times contingent on the date and time of the first launch.
TROPICS will study tropical cyclones as part of NASA’s Earth System Science Pathfinder Program and should increase understanding of the processes driving rapid changes in storm structure and integrity. NASA plans to have the CubeSats distributed evenly in two low Earth orbital planes about 340 miles (550 kilometers) above the Earth’s surface. TROPICS has the potential to provide roughly hourly observations of a storm’s precipitation, temperature, and humidity, compared to about every six hours with current satellites. Gathering data more frequently can help scientists improve weather forecasting models.
Full coverage of this mission is as follows (all times Eastern):
Friday, April 28
NASA and Rocket Lab will host a media teleconference at 4 p.m. for the TROPICS mission. Audio of the briefing will be livestreamed on NASA's website.
The teleconference participants will include:
Dr. Will McCarty, program scientist, NASA Earth Science Division
Ben Kim, program executive, NASA Earth Science Division
Dr. William Blackwell, TROPICS principal investigator, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Bradley Smith, Director, Launch Services for NASA’s Space Operations Mission Directorate
Peter Beck, Rocket Lab founder and CEO
To participate, media must RSVP at least two hours prior to the start of the briefing by emailing:
[email protected].
Saturday, April 30
Approximately 8:40 p.m. – Live launch coverage begins
9 p.m. – Launch window opens
NASA website launch coverage
Follow countdown coverage on NASA’s launch blog for live updates beginning no earlier than 8 p.m. as the countdown milestones occur. On-demand streaming video and photos of the launch will be available shortly after liftoff on Rocket Lab’s website and Flickr.
Watch, engage on social media
Stay connected and receive mission updates by following and tagging these accounts:
Twitter: @NASA_LSP, @NASAEarth, @NASAKennedy, @NASA, @RocketLab
Facebook: NASA, NASA LSP, RocketLabUSA
Instagram: @NASA, @NASAEarth, @RocketLabUSA
The TROPICS team is led by Blackwell at MIT’s Lincoln Laboratory in Lexington, Massachusetts, and includes researchers from NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and several universities and commercial partners. NASA’s Launch Services Program, based at the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida, is managing launch services.
For more information about NASA’s TROPICS, visit:
https://go.nasa.gov/3h46pJp-end-
Press Contacts
Karen Fox
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-1275
[email protected]Kiana Raines
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-1100
[email protected]Leejay Lockhart
Kennedy Space Center, Florida
321-747-8310
[email protected]
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#51
by
trimeta
on 24 Apr, 2023 21:57
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#52
by
Ken the Bin
on 25 Apr, 2023 22:29
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NGA notice.
252155Z APR 23
HYDROPAC 1371/23(76).
WESTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
NEW ZEALAND.
DNC 06.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
010100Z TO 140300Z MAY IN AREA BOUND BY:
39-15.00S 177-48.00E, 39-12.00S 177-51.00E,
39-06.60S 178-00.00E, 38-56.40S 178-20.40E,
39-07.20S 178-27.00E, 39-20.40S 177-57.60E,
39-24.00S 177-57.60E, 39-25.20S 177-48.00E.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 140400Z MAY 23.
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#53
by
trimeta
on 25 Apr, 2023 22:31
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https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1650984795470725120Spacecraft integration is underway this week at LC-1 for our two
@NASA
TROPICS missions.
The countdown to lift-off is on with the first launch scheduled no earlier than:
🚀 NZST | 13:00, May 1
🚀 UTC | 01:00, May 1
🚀 EDT | 21:00, 30 April
🚀 PDT | 18:00, 30 April
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#54
by
Ken the Bin
on 25 Apr, 2023 23:34
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NGA Space Debris notice to go along with the above posted Rocket Launching notice.
252253Z APR 23
HYDROPAC 1372/23(76,83).
SOUTH PACIFIC.
DNC 06.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
010100Z TO 140300Z MAY IN AREAS BOUND BY:
A. 35-07.09S 174-43.22W, 34-18.88S 175-39.48W,
35-58.00S 177-54.06W, 36-46.55S 177-00.04W.
B. 26-56.41S 155-33.85W, 26-01.49S 156-07.50W,
28-44.90S 162-21.97W, 29-41.99S 161-53.52W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 140400Z MAY 23
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#55
by
GewoonLukas_
on 26 Apr, 2023 14:21
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🛰🛰A pair of TROPICS #CubeSats are in the eye of the storm - or rather, in the nose of an Electron rocket!
Teams encapsulated the cyclone-tracking satellites at
@RocketLab
's processing facility in Mahia, New Zealand.
Get ready to #RocketLikeAHurricane early next week!
https://twitter.com/NASA_LSP/status/1651228639579521037
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#56
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 26 Apr, 2023 20:10
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https://twitter.com/rocketlab/status/1651309725466902528This mission is a particularly special one for our team. Earlier this year the region near LC-1 was hit hard by Cyclone Gabrielle, so it's a privilege to be launching satellites tasked with monitoring tropical storms and providing actionable data to those in storm paths.
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#57
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FutureSpaceTourist
on 27 Apr, 2023 06:02
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#58
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FutureSpaceTourist
on 27 Apr, 2023 21:52
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#59
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FutureSpaceTourist
on 28 Apr, 2023 20:15
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#60
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FutureSpaceTourist
on 28 Apr, 2023 20:29
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#61
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FutureSpaceTourist
on 28 Apr, 2023 21:08
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https://twitter.com/rocketlab/status/1652056834604437505A weather front is headed toward LC-1, so we’re pushing lift-off a few days to the right for the #RocketLikeAHurricane launch to deploy the @NASA TROPICS satellites. We’ll assess the weather as it evolves over the weekend and confirm the new target date soon. 🌧️🌬️🚀
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#62
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Skyrocket
on 29 Apr, 2023 10:36
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#63
by
zubenelgenubi
on 29 Apr, 2023 16:01
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#64
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 30 Apr, 2023 10:43
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#65
by
Conexion Espacial
on 30 Apr, 2023 19:03
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#66
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FutureSpaceTourist
on 01 May, 2023 07:35
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Rocket Lab WDR photos from flickr
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#67
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 01 May, 2023 21:59
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https://twitter.com/rocketlab/status/1653157041127702529High winds & stormy skies continue for most of this week at LC-1, so we’re waiting for that to clear before the first of 2 @NASA TROPICS launches lifts off. Stay tuned for updates on target launch date soon as the forecast settles in the coming days. #RocketLikeAHurricane 🛰️🌧️🚀
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#68
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FutureSpaceTourist
on 02 May, 2023 06:55
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Photos from Rocket Lab flickr
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#69
by
OneSpeed
on 02 May, 2023 23:23
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NGA notice.
NGA Space Debris notice to go along with the above posted Rocket Launching notice.
Maps from the NGA notices.
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#70
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Steven Pietrobon
on 02 May, 2023 23:33
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The NASA stream is showing a "Live in 6 days, May 9 at 00:45 UTC". There has been no new update on RocketLab's twitter account.
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#71
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FutureSpaceTourist
on 03 May, 2023 21:56
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#72
by
lightleviathan
on 03 May, 2023 23:02
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"Launch Complex 2" seems to be just a Rocket Lab in-house identifier. MARS has "Launch Pad 0A" (Antares) and "Launch Pad 0B" (Minotaur) and on its web site identifies the new Electron pad as "Launch Pad 0C".
https://www.vaspace.org/our-facilities
Wallops Flight Facility already has/had a "Launch Area 1" and a "Launch Area 2" which were used for sounding rockets. "Launch Area 3" handled Scout back in the day. And so on.
- Ed Kyle
Yeah, that's how it's been from the beginning of the construction of the pad.
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#73
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trimeta
on 04 May, 2023 02:50
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"Launch Complex 2" seems to be just a Rocket Lab in-house identifier. MARS has "Launch Pad 0A" (Antares) and "Launch Pad 0B" (Minotaur) and on its web site identifies the new Electron pad as "Launch Pad 0C".
https://www.vaspace.org/our-facilities
Wallops Flight Facility already has/had a "Launch Area 1" and a "Launch Area 2" which were used for sounding rockets. "Launch Area 3" handled Scout back in the day. And so on.
- Ed Kyle
Yeah, that's how it's been from the beginning of the construction of the pad.
Here's where I've landed:
The land is Launch Pad 0C
Any facilities or equipment owned by Wallops Flight Facility or the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport are Launch Pad 0C
Any facilities or equipment owned by Rocket Lab are Launch Complex 2
So the strongback at least is Launch Complex 2. Everything else, I'm not sure who built it.
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#74
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TrevorMonty
on 04 May, 2023 04:39
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"Launch Complex 2" seems to be just a Rocket Lab in-house identifier. MARS has "Launch Pad 0A" (Antares) and "Launch Pad 0B" (Minotaur) and on its web site identifies the new Electron pad as "Launch Pad 0C".
https://www.vaspace.org/our-facilities
Wallops Flight Facility already has/had a "Launch Area 1" and a "Launch Area 2" which were used for sounding rockets. "Launch Area 3" handled Scout back in the day. And so on.
- Ed Kyle
Yeah, that's how it's been from the beginning of the construction of the pad.
Here's where I've landed:
The land is Launch Pad 0C
Any facilities or equipment owned by Wallops Flight Facility or the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport are Launch Pad 0C
Any facilities or equipment owned by Rocket Lab are Launch Complex 2
So the strongback at least is Launch Complex 2. Everything else, I'm not sure who built it.
RL maybe using Antare's tank farm. Would help offset some of NG operating costs.
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#75
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GewoonLukas_
on 05 May, 2023 04:22
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#76
by
Conexion Espacial
on 05 May, 2023 21:14
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NASA, Rocket Lab Update Launch Coverage for Tropical Cyclones Mission
After the previous launch target date changed due to weather conditions in New Zealand, NASA and Rocket Lab are now targeting 9 p.m. EDT Sunday, May 7, (1 p.m. Monday, May 8, New Zealand Standard Time), to launch two storm tracking CubeSats into orbit.
The agency’s TROPICS (Time-Resolved Observations of Precipitation structure and storm Intensity with a Constellation of Smallsats) mission has a two-hour launch window from Launch Complex 1 Pad B in Māhia, New Zealand.
Rocket Lab will provide live coverage beginning approximately 20 minutes before launch. Coverage will air on NASA Television, the NASA app, the agency’s website, and Rocket Lab’s website.
A second launch from Rocket Lab will carry two additional CubeSats, with exact launch times contingent on the date and time of the first launch. TROPICS is a constellation of four identical CubeSats designed to observe tropical cyclones from low Earth orbit, making observations more frequently than current weather tracking satellites. Gathering data more frequently can help scientists improve weather forecasting models.
TROPICS will study tropical cyclones as part of NASA’s Earth Venture Class missions, which select targeted science missions to fill gaps in our overarching understanding of the entire Earth system.
Full coverage of this mission is as follows (all times Eastern):
Sunday, May 7
Approximately 8:40 p.m. – Live launch coverage begins
9 p.m. – Launch window opens
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#77
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 07 May, 2023 07:30
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#78
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 07 May, 2023 19:04
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#79
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 07 May, 2023 22:12
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#80
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 07 May, 2023 22:16
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https://twitter.com/nasaspaceflight/status/1655305289577508867 Rocket Lab's Electron rocket will be back in action later today.
“Rocket Like A Hurricane” from Launch Complex 1B (LC-1B) in Mahia, New Zealand. Liftoff from LC-1B is scheduled for 13:00 NZST (1:00 UTC) on May 8.
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/05/electron-tropics-launch-1/ - by Justin Davenport (@Bubbinski).
Electron's launch is part of NASA’s Time-Resolved Observations of Precipitation structure and storm Intensity with a Constellation of Smallsats (TROPICS) constellation, having switched launch vehicles after losing two satellites aboard an Astra Rocket 3.3 last year.
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#81
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 07 May, 2023 22:34
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#82
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 07 May, 2023 23:39
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#83
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 00:16
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#84
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:26
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The RocketLab stream has started.
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#85
by
catdlr
on 08 May, 2023 00:30
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backup NASA programming started:
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#86
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Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:41
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Hosted commentary has begun.
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#87
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:42
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Propellant loading complete.
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#88
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 00:43
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#89
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:43
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#90
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:46
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T-15 minutes. TROPICS Mission Manager.
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#91
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:49
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T-12 minutes. Performing poll.
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#92
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:50
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#93
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:51
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T-10 minutes. Second stage will put satellites into circular orbit with the third stage performing an inclination change.
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#94
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:53
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#95
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:55
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#96
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:57
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#97
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:58
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T-3 minutes. Drone view.
Go for autosequence start.
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#98
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 00:59
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T-2 minutes. AFTS is green and enabled for flight.
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#99
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:00
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#100
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:01
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#101
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 01:02
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#102
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:02
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#103
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:03
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#104
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:04
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First stage separation.
T+3 minutes.
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#105
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 01:04
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#106
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:05
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Fairing separation.
T+4 minutes.
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#107
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:06
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#108
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:07
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#109
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:08
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#110
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:09
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#111
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:10
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#112
by
catdlr
on 08 May, 2023 01:11
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Was that usual for all the flams and smoke? Does the final speed seem short?
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#113
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:11
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SECO. Stage separation confirmed.
T+10 minutes.
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#114
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 01:12
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#115
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:12
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T+11 minutes. Upcoming events.
+00:30:06 Kick Stage Curie engine ignition
+00:32:50 Curie engine Cut Off
~+00:33:00 Payload deployed
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#116
by
pb2000
on 08 May, 2023 01:12
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Was that usual for all the flams and smoke? Does the final speed seem short?
Yeah, that didn't seem right. The second stage seemed to be having control issues and SECO was under 26,000km/h
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#117
by
trimeta
on 08 May, 2023 01:20
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Was that usual for all the flams and smoke? Does the final speed seem short?
Yeah, that didn't seem right. The second stage seemed to be having control issues and SECO was under 26,000km/h
It was noted a few times that today's trajectory would be atypical: rather than the second stage putting the kick stage (and payload) into an elliptical orbit, which the kick stage would then circularize, the second stage was supposed to put everything into a circular orbit, and then the kick stage burn will be used for a plane change at the ascending node, not a circularization burn.
IANARS, though, so I can't tell you if the numbers we observed are consistent with the above plan.
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#118
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:21
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T+20 minutes. Over the Pacific Ocean. Looks like a dogleg was performed after launch.
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#119
by
pb2000
on 08 May, 2023 01:26
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IANARS, though, so I can't tell you if the numbers we observed are consistent with the above plan.
Me neither, but it doesn't take one to know what sub orbital is. They haven't said anything yet, so maybe just bad telemetry?
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#120
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Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:30
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T+29 minutes and 6 seconds. One minute to third stage ignition.
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#121
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:31
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T+30 minutes and 6 seconds. Expected third stage ignition for 2 minutes and 44 seconds. Expected separation is 10 seconds later.
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#122
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:33
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Call for expected ignition. Looks like the press kit was incorrect.
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#123
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:35
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#124
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:36
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#125
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:37
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The animation was a few seconds behind actual expected events.
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#126
by
trimeta
on 08 May, 2023 01:37
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It seems like these "expected" calls were based on mission parameters, not telemetry; the vehicle won't be within range for ground contact until it gets to the Azores.
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#127
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 01:38
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https://twitter.com/rocketlab/status/1655386431924350978 The Kick Stage's Curie engine is scheduled to have completed its final burn & deployed the TROPICS satellites now. As this takes place outside of ground station coverage, we expect to receive signal and get confirmation of payload deployment within the next ~20 mins
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#128
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Steven Pietrobon
on 08 May, 2023 01:39
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RocketLab Webcast ending. Confirmation of good orbit and separation won't be until it reaches the next ground station in Portugal.
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#129
by
pb2000
on 08 May, 2023 01:39
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It seems like these "expected" calls were based on mission parameters, not telemetry; the vehicle won't be within range for ground contact until it gets to the Azores.
I don't think any of the kick stage events were within ground coverage, so still a bit of a mystery as to the outcome of this mission.
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#130
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 01:40
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#131
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 01:57
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https://twitter.com/rocketlab/status/1655391264706285568 Mission success! Electron has successfully deployed 2 TROPICS satellites to orbit for @NASA. This constellation aims to improve forecasting of devastating tropical storms and save lives. We’re immensely proud to be part of making that possible. One down, one to go!
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#132
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 02:39
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#133
by
Star One
on 08 May, 2023 06:42
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#134
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 07:00
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Photos from Rocket Lab flickr
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#135
by
catdlr
on 08 May, 2023 07:20
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Was that usual for all the flames and smoke? Does the final speed seem short?
I had to do some errands right after posting. I see that the LV and Sats were injected correctly, that's great news. I reviewed a few flights and found the same engine flames and smoke as this one. So I'll stand in error with my comment. Sorry for getting a few of you guys excited. A similar high-insertion flight exhibits the same engine flames and smoke and is posted here.
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#136
by
Alter Sachse
on 08 May, 2023 13:50
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2023-062 A+B
TROPICS #5 and #6
32.73° 95.5 min 535x555 km
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#137
by
GewoonLukas_
on 08 May, 2023 15:04
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Signal acquisition confirmed:
NASA, Rocket Lab Launch First Pair of Storm Observing CubeSats
May 8, 2023
[...]
Two NASA CubeSats designed to study tropical cyclones, including hurricanes and typhoons, are in orbit after successfully launching at 1 p.m. Monday, NZST (9 p.m. EDT Sunday).
The first pair of the agency’s TROPICS (Time-Resolved Observations of Precipitation structure and storm Intensity with a Constellation of Smallsats) lifted off aboard an Electron rocket from Rocket Lab’s Launch Complex 1 Pad B in Māhia, New Zealand. Team members successfully sent commands to the first CubeSat at 1:48 a.m. EDT, May 8. Subsequently, they established communications with the second CubeSat at 6:31 a.m. EDT.
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The second pair of TROPICS CubeSats is planned to launch aboard another Rocket Lab Electron rocket in about two weeks. The second launch will be timed to insert the next two CubeSats into the TROPICS constellation.
[...]
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#138
by
mn
on 08 May, 2023 17:02
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Signal acquisition confirmed:
NASA, Rocket Lab Launch First Pair of Storm Observing CubeSats
May 8, 2023
[...]
Two NASA CubeSats designed to study tropical cyclones, including hurricanes and typhoons, are in orbit after successfully launching at 1 p.m. Monday, NZST (9 p.m. EDT Sunday).
The first pair of the agency’s TROPICS (Time-Resolved Observations of Precipitation structure and storm Intensity with a Constellation of Smallsats) lifted off aboard an Electron rocket from Rocket Lab’s Launch Complex 1 Pad B in Māhia, New Zealand. Team members successfully sent commands to the first CubeSat at 1:48 a.m. EDT, May 8. Subsequently, they established communications with the second CubeSat at 6:31 a.m. EDT.
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The second pair of TROPICS CubeSats is planned to launch aboard another Rocket Lab Electron rocket in about two weeks. The second launch will be timed to insert the next two CubeSats into the TROPICS constellation.
[...]
That should be the
second and
third pair, as the
first pair was lost in the failed Astra launch.
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#139
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 17:18
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#140
by
the_big_boot
on 08 May, 2023 17:51
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Signal acquisition confirmed:
NASA, Rocket Lab Launch First Pair of Storm Observing CubeSats
May 8, 2023
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Two NASA CubeSats designed to study tropical cyclones, including hurricanes and typhoons, are in orbit after successfully launching at 1 p.m. Monday, NZST (9 p.m. EDT Sunday).
The first pair of the agency’s TROPICS (Time-Resolved Observations of Precipitation structure and storm Intensity with a Constellation of Smallsats) lifted off aboard an Electron rocket from Rocket Lab’s Launch Complex 1 Pad B in Māhia, New Zealand. Team members successfully sent commands to the first CubeSat at 1:48 a.m. EDT, May 8. Subsequently, they established communications with the second CubeSat at 6:31 a.m. EDT.
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The second pair of TROPICS CubeSats is planned to launch aboard another Rocket Lab Electron rocket in about two weeks. The second launch will be timed to insert the next two CubeSats into the TROPICS constellation.
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That should be the second and third pair, as the first pair was lost in the failed Astra launch.
lol NASA is just casually acting like the astra launch never happened
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#141
by
trimeta
on 08 May, 2023 18:21
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lol NASA is just casually acting like the astra launch never happened
"NASA has given unto you these six...
[THUD]
"Four! Four TROPICS satellites!"
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#142
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 08 May, 2023 18:50
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#143
by
trimeta
on 08 May, 2023 19:40
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https://twitter.com/peter_j_beck/status/1655646177340313601
This is my new favorite launch footage. The team always has something new.
I've attached a downloaded copy of the video.
Edit: Rocket Lab uploaded a copy to YouTube, it's higher-quality than what they had on Twitter. I'm not changing the attached file (it took long enough to upload already), but if you want an even better copy, check out this version:
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#144
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 09 May, 2023 05:41
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This is my new favorite launch footage. The team always has something new.
I wish they had shown that in the livestream, instead of the big cloud of steam we saw at liftoff!
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#145
by
catdlr
on 09 May, 2023 06:06
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This is my new favorite launch footage. The team always has something new.
I wish they had shown that in the live stream, instead of the big cloud of steam we saw at liftoff!
They had the drone shot hovering at LV level for a while just before liftoff but they probably didn't choose to switch over to that shot (intentionally or forgot). Hopefully next time. I sure like these more than the static shots.
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#146
by
gmbnz
on 09 May, 2023 10:55
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I wish they had shown that in the live stream, instead of the big cloud of steam we saw at liftoff!
They had the drone shot hovering at LV level for a while just before liftoff but they probably didn't choose to switch over to that shot (intentionally or forgot). Hopefully next time. I sure like these more than the static shots.
They did - first there's the closeup, then a tracking camera shot, then the wide angle, then the drone footage:
https://www.youtube.com/live/N3prw-94wQc?feature=share&t=1242I think the drone footage is a bit more delayed, so when they cut to it the rocket is a bit lower than the wide angle shot - but that's presumably just the encoding + decoding delay
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#147
by
catdlr
on 09 May, 2023 20:26
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I wish they had shown that in the live stream, instead of the big cloud of steam we saw at liftoff!
They had the drone shot hovering at LV level for a while just before liftoff but they probably didn't choose to switch over to that shot (intentionally or forgot). Hopefully next time. I sure like these more than the static shots.
They did - first there's the closeup, then a tracking camera shot, then the wide angle, then the drone footage:
https://www.youtube.com/live/N3prw-94wQc?feature=share&t=1242
I think the drone footage is a bit more delayed, so when they cut to it the rocket is a bit lower than the wide angle shot - but that's presumably just the encoding + decoding delay
It would be nice to have each of the launch camera angles replayed to us during the time we are waiting for deployment.
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#148
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 15 May, 2023 04:41
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https://twitter.com/rocketlab/status/1657930020319535104 The final launch milestone: satellite deployment!
Look carefully and you’ll see a @NASA TROPICS CubeSat deploy from our Canisterized Satellite Dispenser on Electron’s Kick Stage. We’re already counting down to our 2nd & final TROPICS launch soon. Stay tuned for the launch date!
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#149
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 16 May, 2023 08:01
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Here's an enhanced image of the satellite being deployed.