Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : Starlink group 5-1 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 December 2022 (09:34 UTC)  (Read 57928 times)

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https://twitter.com/tgmetsfan98/status/1607848085996060675

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Tomorrow, SpaceX will launch the first Starlink Gen 2 mission. While the satellites on board are likely identical to those launched previously, the destination orbit is used only by the Gen 2 constellation.

Full details from @Alexphysics13:

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/12/spacex-starlink-5-1-launch/

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The key about which sat version is being used (F9-1 or F9-2) would be number of sats being launched. This is because of mass and volume ~2X factor of difference between them. Do we know the number of sats yet for this launch?

You could almost then think of the initial F9-1 as a set of V1.99 sats to test out the various new hardware/software to be used on the larger V2 sats without launching them in enough numbers as in ~50 or even more to do all the designs validation.

54, same as recent launches.

Source : https://twitter.com/TSKelso/status/1607538105841778688?cxt=HHwWgIDUmfzYj88sAAAA

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I don't see what Jonathan says about SpaceX filling for a single satellite, I must have missed it, but there are now FCC permits for up to 4 Group 5 missions and all have the same landing coordinates for the booster, it doesn't seem like Group 5-1 is a one-off.

Just passing thru here, not sure this has been discussed upstream from here.  I suspect so, but didn't see anything.  The whole reason for launching V2.0 compliant (VBand) Starlink Satellites at this moment is strictly for establishing ITU Spectrum Priority. It is a race against Kuiper who shows launching the first 2 VBand satellites in Feb. I believe at least 2 satellites are required on-orbit functioning for ITU spectrum priority assignment. So the satellites that are launched will need to operate on the spectrum in which ITU priority is sought.  VBand.  ITU approved inclination for V2.0 includes 148 inclinations.  We are talking ITU not FCC. So I have always been directed to more of the EROS C3 #1 launch from Vandenberg on Dec. 30th.  EROS C-3 #1 is only 400kg to a Sun-Synchronous Orbit with RTLS. So there is an available 4000kg of mass on this launcher with RTLS and according to reports here, It is headed to a ~148 inclination launch
EROS C3#1 launch came from nowhere in mid-December, after they yanked the booster 1061.11 on Nov. 18th that was already upright on the launch pad with OCISLY on station in the Pacific.  So perhaps 2 or 3 full-sized V2.0 configured vertically on the dispenser,  with EROS C3#1 on top?  V2.0 mass is something like 1,200kg?? Which would bring the total satellite mass to 4,000kg plus dispenser. ????
« Last Edit: 12/27/2022 09:15 pm by raptorx2 »

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I don't see what Jonathan says about SpaceX filling for a single satellite, I must have missed it, but there are now FCC permits for up to 4 Group 5 missions and all have the same landing coordinates for the booster, it doesn't seem like Group 5-1 is a one-off.

Just passing thru here, not sure this has been discussed upstream from here.  I suspect so, but didn't see anything.  The whole reason for launching V2.0 compliant (VBand) Starlink Satellites at this moment is strictly for establishing ITU Spectrum Priority. It is a race against Kuiper who shows launching the first 2 VBand satellites in Feb. I believe at least 2 satellites are required on-orbit functioning for ITU spectrum priority assignment. So the satellites that are launched will need to operate on the spectrum in which ITU priority is sought.  VBand.  ITU approved inclination for V2.0 includes 148 inclinations.  We are talking ITU not FCC. So I have always been directed to more of the EROS C3 #1 launch from Vandenberg on Dec. 30th.  EROS C-3 #1 is only 400kg to a Sun-Synchronous Orbit with RTLS. So there is an available 4000kg of mass on this launcher with RTLS and according to reports here, It is headed to a ~148 inclination launch
EROS C3#1 launch came from nowhere in mid-December, after they yanked the booster 1061.11 on Nov. 18th that was already upright on the launch pad with OCISLY on station in the Pacific.  So perhaps 2 or 3 full-sized V2.0 configured vertically on the dispenser,  with EROS C3#1 on top?  V2.0 mass is something like 1,200kg?? Which would bring the total satellite mass to 4,000kg plus dispenser. ????

I have no idea how all of this approval works, but the FCC did not authroize the 148 degree shell, and did not authoize V Band.

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https://twitter.com/tgmetsfan98/status/1607848085996060675

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Tomorrow, SpaceX will launch the first Starlink Gen 2 mission. While the satellites on board are likely identical to those launched previously, the destination orbit is used only by the Gen 2 constellation.

Full details from @Alexphysics13:

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/12/spacex-starlink-5-1-launch/

Perhaps that seems reasonable given the following quote:

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The number of satellites flying on Starlink Group 5-1 suggests this mission is flying the F9-1 satellite configuration which would allow them to use hardware and processes similar to launching Starlink v1.5 satellites under the Gen 1 constellation.

However there is another quote in the NASAspaceflight article which says
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The document detailed that “while SpaceX will use technically identical satellites on both rockets, the physical structures will be tailored to meet the physical dimensions of the rockets on which they will be launched.”

To me this suggests that F9-1 type satellites will have all the technical specifications and features of the other v2 satellites (just hobbled by physical dimensions) and so would be rather different than the v1.5 satellites. But perhaps I am misinterpreting that? 303Kg sounds very close to v1.5 satellite mass, would there likely be larger differences to accommodate different band hardware?

Perhaps the shorter simpler question is: What would launching identical to v1.5 satellites achieve?

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Launching identical sats would potentially give them twice the throughput in certain frequency bands where they're not allowed to have overlapping beams from the same constellation.

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EROS C3#1 launch came from nowhere in mid-December, after they yanked the booster 1061.11 on Nov. 18th that was already upright on the launch pad with OCISLY on station in the Pacific.  So perhaps 2 or 3 full-sized V2.0 configured vertically on the dispenser,  with EROS C3#1 on top?  V2.0 mass is something like 1,200kg?? Which would bring the total satellite mass to 4,000kg plus dispenser. ????

Just because we didn't know previously about the EROS-C3 mission it doesn't mean it has any special mystery around it. The reason for the delay to Starlink Group 2-4 and them switching boosters has nothing to do with any of the theories you're presenting.
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What was the reason for the delay to Starlink 2-4?

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What was the reason for the delay to Starlink 2-4?

Hardware issues, can't go into more details but there's nothing obscure behind it as the poster suggests

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The official launches website has been updated:
https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=sl5-1

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SpaceX is targeting Wednesday, December 28 at 4:40 a.m. ET (9:40 UTC) for a Falcon 9 launch of 54 Starlinksatellites to low-Earth orbit from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. If needed, there is a backup opportunity available on Thursday, December 29 starting at 4:14 a.m. ET (9:14 UTC).

The first stage booster supporting this mission previously launched GPS III Space Vehicle 04, GPS III Space Vehicle 05, Inspiration4, Ax-1, Nilesat 301, and four Starlink missions. Following stage separation, the first stage will land on the A Shortfall of Gravitas droneship, which will be stationed in the Atlantic Ocean.

This launch marks the first of Starlink’s upgraded network. Under our new license, we are now able to deploy satellites to new orbits that will add even more capacity to the network. Ultimately, this enables us to add more customers and provide faster service – particularly in areas that are currently over-subscribed.

A live webcast of this mission will begin about five minutes prior to liftoff.

Mission timeline:
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HR/MIN/SEC   EVENT
00:01:12   Max Q (moment of peak mechanical stress on the rocket)
00:02:29   1st stage main engine cutoff (MECO)
00:02:32   1st and 2nd stages separate
00:02:39   2nd stage engine starts
00:02:44   Fairing deployment
00:06:44   1st stage entry burn start
00:07:00   1st stage entry burn complete
00:08:26   1st stage landing burn start
00:08:38   2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO-1)
00:08:47   1st stage landing
00:18:43   Starlink satellites deploy

Webcast:
« Last Edit: 12/27/2022 11:31 pm by Elthiryel »
GO for launch, GO for age of reflight

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Seems like it’s not V2 sats, just a new orbit:

Maybe check your sources before writing a whole article on it  :P
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Not sure what you mean by that or if you're even talking about my article at all, the new orbits are part of Starlink's second generation constellation. 43 degree shell is the one being used on this mission to be more precise. Using v2 sats or not, the mission is going into Starlink's second generation constellation.

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https://twitter.com/spaceoffshore/status/1607924182938943489

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ASOG droneship is positioned 660 km downrange to recover B1062 for the planned Starlink launch tonight at 4:40am ET.

Downrange weather is a watch item according to SpaceX.

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https://twitter.com/alexphysics13/status/1607890490816450561

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The Falcon 9 for the Starlink Group 5-1 mission is vertical at SLC-40 as seen on @NASASpaceflight's Space Coast Live Fleetcam. However, SpaceX is yet to confirm they're on track for launch tonight

nsf.live/spacecoast

A few minutes later:

https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1607894750304309250

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Targeting Wednesday, December 28 for Falcon 9’s launch of 54 Starlink satellites to low-Earth orbit from SLC-40 in Florida; teams are keeping an eye on weather conditions for booster recovery → spacex.com/launches

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https://twitter.com/john_winkopp/status/1608016670991196160

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The @SpaceX #Falcon9 for #Starlink 5-1 has come alive with sound. The sky is incredibly beautiful. Let's hope recovery area is green.

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What is the advantage of the southern trajectory over the usual northern one?

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SFN live stream has started
« Last Edit: 12/28/2022 07:46 am by FutureSpaceTourist »

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What is the advantage of the southern trajectory over the usual northern one?

The booster landing in a different area which has generally calmer sea states during winter months.

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https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1608025248347062274

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F9/Starlink 5-1: Launch director is go for propellant loading

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