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Thread for the Starlink 4-37 group launch.

NSF Threads for Starlink 4-37: Discussion

Launch December 17, 2022, 21:32 UTC (4:32 pm EST), from KSC LC-39A, on booster 1058-15.  The first stage is expected to land aboard Just Read The Instructions.

Payload 54 Starlink satellites to 53.2 degree inclination on a northeastern trajectory.  Initial orbit of approximately 230 x 335 km?

Starlink v1.5 satellite mass is now about 300kg after the addition of laser ISL terminals.

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Launch NET October 12; northeastern trajectory.
1548-EX-ST-2022
Mission 1832 Starlink Group 4-37 from Cape Canaveral FL at LC-40 CCAFS or LC-39a at KSC
ASDS North  32  41  56   West  75  44  0
NET mid-October



SFN Launch Schedule, updated September 13:
October launch, SLC-40.



Canaveral SLC-40:
October 5/6            Galaxy 33 and 34
October 14             Eutelsat Hotbird 13F
~NET October 20  Starlink 4-37

Edited for clarity
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Canaveral SLC-40:
October 5/6    Galaxy 33 and 34
October 14     Eutelsat Hotbird 13F
~October 20  Starlink 4-37

That would imply USSF 44 not until ~Oct 27th at earliest as both ASDS needed. That is quite possible I suppose, but if USSF 44 is earlier it would have to be before 4-37 which would push 4-37 later. If USSF 44 much later than Oct 27th then it might make sense to fit in a launch from 39A, maybe 4-37 or Eutelsat Hotbird 13F?

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Canaveral SLC-40:
October 5/6    Galaxy 33 and 34
October 14     Eutelsat Hotbird 13F
~October 20  Starlink 4-37

That would imply USSF 44 not until ~Oct 27th at earliest as both ASDS needed. That is quite possible I suppose, but if USSF 44 is earlier it would have to be before 4-37 which would push 4-37 later. If USSF 44 much later than Oct 27th then it might make sense to fit in a launch from 39A, maybe 4-37 or Eutelsat Hotbird 13F?

I edited my original post to clarify my thoughts.

Yes, availability of both ASDS for USSF-44 will constrain launches.

And (a guess), if the USSF-44 launch is delayed, then we will likely see Starlink Group 4 launch or launches scheduled at LC-39A so launch cadence may be sustained.

The foreign-manufactured satellites seem to launch from SLC-40.  There's a reason for that, but I don't remember it?
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I think I recall that at one time it was more difficult for foreign people or people employed by foreign companies to gain access to one or other of the launch sites. That might be necessary for integration work. Not sure if this is still the reason.

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I think I recall that at one time it was more difficult for foreign people or people employed by foreign companies to gain access to one or other of the launch sites. That might be necessary for integration work. Not sure if this is still the reason.
Yes, the greater difficulty was access to Kennedy LC-39A.  Counter-intuitive.
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Canaveral SLC-40:
October 5/6    Galaxy 33 and 34
October 14     Eutelsat Hotbird 13F
~October 20  Starlink 4-37

That would imply USSF 44 not until ~Oct 27th at earliest as both ASDS needed. That is quite possible I suppose, but if USSF 44 is earlier it would have to be before 4-37 which would push 4-37 later. If USSF 44 much later than Oct 27th then it might make sense to fit in a launch from 39A, maybe 4-37 or Eutelsat Hotbird 13F?

Typically FCC certifications can be expected to be posted 4-8 weeks prior to the Operation Start Date.  In the later half of that range for a non-standard mission like a Falcon Heavy.  Having not seen one yet for USSF-44, the chances of an October launch are looking unlikely

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Canaveral SLC-40:
October 5/6    Galaxy 33 and 34
October 14     Eutelsat Hotbird 13F
~October 20  Starlink 4-37

That would imply USSF 44 not until ~Oct 27th at earliest as both ASDS needed. That is quite possible I suppose, but if USSF 44 is earlier it would have to be before 4-37 which would push 4-37 later. If USSF 44 much later than Oct 27th then it might make sense to fit in a launch from 39A, maybe 4-37 or Eutelsat Hotbird 13F?

Typically FCC certifications can be expected to be posted 4-8 weeks prior to the Operation Start Date.  In the later half of that range for a non-standard mission like a Falcon Heavy.  Having not seen one yet for USSF-44, the chances of an October launch are looking unlikely

USSF-44:
¡Cross-Post!
It's about time.  Presumably USSF-44...
1593-EX-ST-2022
Falcon Heavy
Looks like [side] boosters RTLS, center core expended
NET October [21]

<snip>
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/1151
FH side boosters landing at LZ-1 and LZ-2.
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Canaveral SLC-40:
October 6/7           Galaxy 33 and 34
October 13             Eutelsat Hotbird 13F
NET October 20    Starlink 4-36
end of October?    Starlink 4-37?
November 5           Galaxy 31 and 32
November 11         Eutelsat 10B?

Might Starlink 4-37 be delayed into the last half of November, or even later?
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Canaveral SLC-40:
October 1314             Eutelsat Hotbird 13F
NET October 20    Starlink 4-36
end of October?    Starlink 4-37?
November 5           Galaxy 31 and 32
November 12         Eutelsat 10B?

Might Starlink 4-37 be delayed into the last half of November, or even later?

https://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html [10 Oct but also 8 Oct version]
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A Falcon 9 will launch more Starlink satellites from pad 40 on October TBD.
Perhaps that 'A' does suggest just one launch presumably 4-36 and not 4-37 in the timeframe to Nov 5. I could be reading too much into that wording - there is just about enough time for 4-37 in the period from Oct 26 to Oct 29 but that doesn't leave much room for delays.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink group 4-37 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 2022
« Reply #10 on: 10/13/2022 07:08 am »
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7015
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Starlink Group 4-37
Launch Time
NET Oct 27, 2022

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NextSpaceFlight, updated October 16:
Launch NET October 26
(NET moved forward one day)
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NextSpaceFlight, updated October 16:
Launch NET October 26
(NET moved forward one day)

Now saying November.

10 boosters launched in a month would have been amazing.

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Cross-post; likely NET end of November after HAKUTO-R Eutelsat 10B launch?
SFN Launch Schedule, updated October 26
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Late November • Falcon 9 • Starlink 4-37
Launch time: TBD
Launch site: SLC-40, Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida
<snip>
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NextSpaceFlight, updated November 2:
First stage is 1058.15.



Might this launch move to LC-39A? (Edit: No, but the 1st OneWeb Falcon 9 launch will be from LC-39A.)
I note LC-39A may be available after SpX-26, currently scheduled for launch on November 18, and January 2023.

Unless there is Starship construction work?

Edit to add:
Nov 1                         FH  USSF-44
Nov 18                       F9  SpX-26
<nothing scheduled; Starlink(s)?>
NET Dec 27 Jan 4  FH  ViaSat-3 Americas
Jan 10                        F9  SpX-27
Jan (or Dec 2022)   FH  USSF-67
Feb                              F9  Crew-6

Further edits
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B1058 will be the first booster to fly for a 15th time. Although I’m not sure if it’ll be temporarily taken out of service for a bit after landing, or if it’ll immediately begin preps for a 16th go.
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B1058 will be the first booster to fly for a 15th time. Although I’m not sure if it’ll be temporarily taken out of service for a bit after landing, or if it’ll immediately begin preps for a 16th go.

It likely will undergo a more intense examination than usual, before starting to be refurbished. That would likely mean it would be out of the rotation for a while.

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B1058 will be the first booster to fly for a 15th time. Although I’m not sure if it’ll be temporarily taken out of service for a bit after landing, or if it’ll immediately begin preps for a 16th go.

It likely will undergo a more intense examination than usual, before starting to be refurbished. That would likely mean it would be out of the rotation for a while.

The intense examination is my first instinct. But I still have this funny feeling that SpaceX will just refurbish it without hesitation.
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B1058 will be the first booster to fly for a 15th time. Although I’m not sure if it’ll be temporarily taken out of service for a bit after landing, or if it’ll immediately begin preps for a 16th go.
It likely will undergo a more intense examination than usual, before starting to be refurbished. That would likely mean it would be out of the rotation for a while.
The intense examination is my first instinct. But I still have this funny feeling that SpaceX will just refurbish it without hesitation.
That might depend on what they find during the inspection.

[zubenelgenubi: Edit]
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The intense examination is my first instinct. But I still have this funny feeling that SpaceX will just refurbish it without hesitation.
My instinct from some tweet I recall to the effect of -- "No obvious limit on reuse" ... is that they'll just keep processing and look for signs in the ordinary course of refurb.
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 Will this be the last Group 4 launch until replacements start going up?
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Will this be the last Group 4 launch until replacements start going up?

Probably ... 1583 out of 1584 planned are "up".

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Will this be the last Group 4 launch until replacements start going up?

There's still a few more Group 4 launches left, I think this might actually be the replacement batch already since there's still like 4-5 more "holes" in the list of Group 4 launches (example is Starlink Group 4-24). As far as actual true replacements go, I'm sure the mini Starlink v2s are gonna be that replacement

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Will this be the last Group 4 launch until replacements start going up?

Probably ... 1583 out of 1584 planned are "up".

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1583 is the total number launched.  That includes satellites that have deorbit for one reason or another.  1518 are currently in orbit. So one and a half launches are still needed.

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NextSpaceFlight, updated November 12?:
Launch NET December

Follow-on to delays of the previous Eutelsat 10B and HAKUTO-R launches from SLC-40.
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SFN Launch Schedule, updated November 22:
December launch
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Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated November 27:
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Other upcoming launches include more Starlink batches on December TBD.



Will Starlink 4-37 still be the SLC-40 launch immediately following HAKUTO-R?  If so, it would be an early December launch.

Edit November 30 UTC :  True, even with HAKUTO-R delayed from November 30 to December 1.
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Per the current FAA ATCSCC Current Operations Plan:

Quote from: FAA
SPACEX STARLINK 4-37 (X1452), CCSFS, FL
PRIMARY:    12/06       0121-0329Z
BACKUP:     12/07       0100-0307Z
            12/08       0038-0245Z
            12/09       0016-0224Z (FIRST ATTEMPT)
            12/09       2355-0202Z (SECOND ATTEMPT)
            12/10       2333-0141Z
            12/11       2312-0119Z

This should be taken with a large grain of salt.  The Space Operations information in the Plan is not always accurate.

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Spaceflight Now shows the launch on Dec 5 at ~9 pm EST (updated on Nov 29).

Ben Cooper has Dec 6 in the evening EST (updated on Nov 30).

Considering the HAKUTO-R delay, Dec 6 EST / Dec 7 UTC is probably the earliest possible date anyway.

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NextSpaceflight (Updated 30 November)
Launch NET December 7th, 01:29 UTC
B1058.15 no longer listed

https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7015
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OneWeb L15 and Starlink 4-37 will be launching almost three hours apart from each other. I think that's a new record for the shortest gap between two Falcon 9 launches.
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Will the Starlink 4-37 launch move forward to launch as soon as possible; or be the next SLC-40 launch on December 7 UTC; or will it retain its place in line at SLC-40 after HAKUTO-R?

The third choice would delay the launch of Starlink 4-37.

Quote from: SpaceX tweet
After further inspections of the launch vehicle and data review, we're standing down from tomorrow's launch of @ispace_inc's HAKUTO-R Mission 1; a new target launch date will be shared once confirmed. [Dec 1 UTC]

Edit December 1: So far, no changes to the SLC-40 launch order or timing.

Edit Dec 3: Choice #3.  Starlink 4-37 delayed; HAKUTO-R scheduled to launch Dec 7 instead.



What first stage will now launch this flight?

Available first stages and most recent landing date
1052.8    Sep 5 (last use before modifications to return to a Falcon Heavy side booster to launch ViaSat-3 Americas)
1058.15  Sep 11
1077.2    Oct 5
1060.15  Oct 8
1069.4    Oct 15
1062.11  Oct 20
1067.8    Nov 3

NextSpaceflight (Updated 30 November)
Launch NET December 7th, 01:29 UTC
B1058.15 no longer listed

https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7015

Edited

Edit December 15: It's 1058.15, again.
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Launch scheduled within the window described for December 7 UTC.
Per the current FAA ATCSCC Current Operations Plan:

Quote from: FAA
SPACEX STARLINK 4-37 (X1452), CCSFS, FL
PRIMARY:    12/06       0121-0329Z
BACKUP:     12/07       0100-0307Z
            12/08       0038-0245Z
            12/09       0016-0224Z (FIRST ATTEMPT)
            12/09       2355-0202Z (SECOND ATTEMPT)
            12/10       2333-0141Z
            12/11       2312-0119Z


This should be taken with a large grain of salt.  The Space Operations information in the Plan is not always accurate.

NextSpaceflight (Updated 30 November)
Launch NET December 7th, 01:29 UTC
<snip>
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7015
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What first stage will now launch this flight?

Available first stages and most recent landing date
1052.8    Sep 5 (last use before modifications to return to a Falcon Heavy side booster to launch ViaSat-3 Americas)
1058.15  Sep 11
1077.2    Oct 5
1060.15  Oct 8
1069.4    Oct 15
1062.11  Oct 20
1067.8    Nov 3

NextSpaceflight (Updated 30 November)
Launch NET December 7th, 01:29 UTC
B1058.15 no longer listed
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7015


Why 1058.15 crossed out (could still be used, no)?  1077.2 currently assigned to GPS III SV06 and 1069.4 assigned to OneWeb #15 per NxSF.  Seems like 1052 or 1058 are raring to go

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NGA notice.  Note that the Primary Day is December 6 UTC, December 5 EST.

Quote from: NGA
261956Z NOV 22
NAVAREA IV 1281/22(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   060121Z TO 060329Z DEC, ALTERNATE
   070100Z TO 070307Z, 080038Z TO 080245Z,
   090016Z TO 090224Z, 092355Z TO 100202Z,
   102333Z TO 110141Z AND
   112312Z TO 120119Z DEC IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-39.47N 080-38.01W, 29-09.00N 080-02.00W,
      29-03.00N 079-55.00W, 28-53.00N 080-02.00W,
      28-35.00N 080-22.00W.
  B. 31-52.00N 076-56.00W, 32-51.00N 076-06.00W,
      33-20.00N 074-59.00W, 33-14.00N 074-54.00W,
      32-32.00N 075-11.00W, 31-42.00N 076-46.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 120219Z DEC 22.//

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Reviewing NGA notices that I was unable to identify, it looks like these two Space Debris notices that I received previously go along with the Rocket Launching notice that I received today.  These two notices are the same thing, for two different Navigational Areas.

Quote from: NGA
290717Z NOV 22
NAVAREA XII 926/22(83).
EASTERN PACIFIC OCEAN.
1. 1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   060231Z TO 060419Z DEC, ALTERNATE
   070210Z TO 070357Z, 080148Z TO 080335Z,
   090126Z TO 090314Z, 100105Z TO 100252Z,
   110043Z TO 110231Z AND 120022Z TO 120209Z DEC
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   03-30.00N 123-06.00W, 03-30.00N 120-58.00W,
   15-23.00S 133-53.00W, 14-26.00S 135-24.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 120309Z DEC 22.//
Quote from: NGA
011758Z DEC 22
HYDROPAC 3421/22(83).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
EASTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
DNC 06, DNC 13.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS 060231Z TO 060419Z,
   ALTERNATE 070210Z TO 070357Z, 080148Z TO 080335Z,
   090126Z TO 090314Z, 100105Z TO 100252Z, 110043Z TO 110231Z,
   120022Z TO 120209Z DEC IN AREA BOUND BY
   A. 03-30.00N 123-06.00W, 03-30.00N 120-58.00W,
       15-23.00S 133-53.00W, 14-26.00S 135-24.00W.
2. CANCEL HYDROPAC 3420/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 120309Z DEC 22.

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I've received these cancellation notices for the Space Debris notices posted above.

Quote from: NGA
022342Z DEC 22
NAVAREA XII 931/22(83).
EASTERN PACIFIC.
CANCEL NAVAREA XII 926/22 AND THIS MSG.
Quote from: NGA
022342Z DEC 22
HYDROPAC 3443/22(83).
EASTERN PACIFIC.
DNC 06, DNC 13.
CANCEL HYDROPAC 3421/22 AND THIS MSG.

I did NOT receive a cancellation for the Rocket Launching, but shortly before the Space Debris cancellation notices I received this new Rocket Launching notice.  It does NOT cancel any prior notice and it doesn't seem to match up with anything that I can identify.

Quote from: NGA
022314Z DEC 22
NAVAREA IV 1286/22(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   070759Z TO 070856Z DEC, ALTERNATE
   080751Z TO 080848Z, 090744Z TO 090841Z,
   100739Z TO 100836Z, 110733Z TO 110830Z,
   120726Z TO 120823Z, 130720Z TO 130817Z DEC
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-35.00N 080-02.00W, 28-40.00N 080-04.00W,
      28-39.41N 080-37.97W, 28-27.14N 080-31.60W,
      28-27.00N 080-20.00W.
   B. 28-58.00N 074-34.00W, 29-06.00N 074-57.00W,
      28-47.00N 076-55.00W, 28-40.00N 076-54.00W,
      28-31.00N 074-54.00W, 28-39.00N 074-33.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 130917Z DEC 22.

EDIT: I've got it.  It's a new notice for HAKUTO-R.  So they must be postponing 4-37 to launch HAKUTO-R.
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I've now also received an NGA cancellation notice for the Rocket Launching notice.

Quote from: NGA
030052Z DEC 22
NAVAREA IV 1288/22(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
CANCEL NAVAREA IV 1281/22 AND THIS MSG,
OPERATION POSTPONED.

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NGA notice.  Note that the Primary Day is December 6 UTC, December 5 EST.

LHA map from the NGA notice. At least one coordinate appears to be missing from area A. ASDS position estimated from previous launches, 656km downrange.

Reviewing NGA notices that I was unable to identify, it looks like these two Space Debris notices that I received previously go along with the Rocket Launching notice that I received today.  These two notices are the same thing, for two different Navigational Areas.

The Space Debris notices do appear to be for a 53.2° inclination launch from Florida, but they appear to be incomplete so far.

Edit: Added missing coordinate from area A.
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The Space Debris notices do appear to be for a 53.2° inclination launch from Florida, but they appear to be incomplete so far.

All of the notices have been cancelled TBD anyway, so we'll start fresh when the launch gets rescheduled.

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NextSpaceFlight, updated December 2:
Launch NET December



Might this launch move to LC-39A in mid December, before the January launch campaigns begin?
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Might this launch move to LC-39A in mid December, before the January launch campaigns begin?

Ben Cooper's site still says this is launching from SLC-40. But interestingly, it also says Transporter-6 is still planned for a mid-December launch without specifying the pad, so maybe T-6 is going to launch from LC-39A?

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A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch a batch of Starlink satellites on December TBD around 7-8 p.m. EST. A Falcon 9 will launch a pair of internet satellites for SES on December 13, in the afternoon EDT. A Falcon 9 will launch the Transporter-6 smallsat rideshare mission on mid-December TBD, in the daytime EST.

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SFN Launch Schedule, updated December 5:
Launch date TBD.  (No change to the Starlink 2-2 listing.)



Is this launch now NET January?
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Next Spaceflight says that Starlink 4-37 will launch from Pad 39A NET December 17th. AFAIK, this was updated within the last ~24 hours.

https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7015

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For Starlink 4-37 or O3b mPower 1 and 2?
https://twitter.com/alexphysics13/status/1601278933064089601

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Just now on Space Coast Live, a Falcon 9 is rolling down the road to one of SpaceX's launch pads. The booster, B1058-15, is one of the life leaders of the fleet and it is set to perform a record 15th flight next week!

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I should have received a standalone Operations Completed cancellation notice from the NGA for HAKUTO-R.  Instead, I received this cancel-and-replace NGA notice that cancels the HAKUTO-R notice and replaces it with this information for what appears to be a Starlink launch.  But not on December 17.  The primary day is December 16, at almost the same time as O3b mPOWER 1-2.

Quote from: NGA
110834Z DEC 22
NAVAREA IV 1337/22(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   162139Z TO 162316Z DEC, ALTERNATE
   172117Z TO 172255Z, 182056Z TO 182233Z,
   192034Z TO 192212Z, 202012Z TO 202150Z,
   211951Z TO 212128Z AND 221929Z TO 222107Z DEC
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-39.47N 080-38.01W, 29-09.00N 080-02.00W,
      29-03.00N 079-55.00W, 28-53.00N 080-02.00W,
      28-35.00N 080-22.00W, 28-30.72N 080-33.14W.
   B. 31-52.00N 076-56.00W, 32-51.00N 076-06.00W,
      33-20.00N 074-59.00W, 33-14.00N 074-54.00W,
      32-32.00N 075-11.00W, 31-42.00N 076-46.00W.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 1320/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 222207Z DEC 22.

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<snip> But not on December 17.  The primary day is December 16, at almost the same time as O3b mPOWER 1-2.
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Might SpaceX be hedging their bets by setting up notice for a December 16 Starlink launch if something between the 11th and (perhaps) the 15th delays the mPower launch?

If the mPower launch is not delayed, then this Starlink launch proceeds on the 17th.

(Also noting there are 3 Falcon 9 launches scheduled 15th-16th-17th.)
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#MARMAC302 #ASOG #SpaceX

Therefore, the Starlink 4-37 launch will use Just Read The Instructions.
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Ben Cooper updated just now:

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A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch from pad 39A on December 16 around 5-6 p.m. EST

39 minutes apart... ??

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Ben Cooper updated just now:

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A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch from pad 39A on December 16 around 5-6 p.m. EST

39 minutes apart... ??


It seems so... A screenshot of another part of the page:
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Ben Cooper updated just now:

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A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch from pad 39A on December 16 around 5-6 p.m. EST

39 minutes apart... ??


It seems so... A screenshot of another part of the page:

NextSpaceflight (Updated 12 December) now also reporting 16 December, 22:00 UTC. So yes, it does look like SpaceX is targeting back-to-back launches from both of their East Coast launch pads only 39 minutes apart. (Which is CRAZY)

https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7015
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Ben Cooper updated just now:

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A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch from pad 39A on December 16 around 5-6 p.m. EST

39 minutes apart... ??


It seems so... A screenshot of another part of the page:

NextSpaceflight (Updated 12 December) now also reporting 16 December, 22:00 UTC. So yes, it does look like SpaceX is targeting back-to-back launches from both of their East Coast launch pads only 39 minutes apart. (Which is CRAZY)

https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7015

That is unless they delay either launch from out of left field.
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Ben Cooper updated just now:

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A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch from pad 39A on December 16 around 5-6 p.m. EST

39 minutes apart... ??


It seems so... A screenshot of another part of the page:

NextSpaceflight (Updated 12 December) now also reporting 16 December, 22:00 UTC. So yes, it does look like SpaceX is targeting back-to-back launches from both of their East Coast launch pads only 39 minutes apart. (Which is CRAZY)

https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7015

That is unless they delay either launch from out of left field.

That's always the case with targeted launch dates  :)
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Next Spaceflight has moved it...6 minutes to the left with the launch time now at 21:54 UTC.

I think we will have to wait to see if SpaceX really plans to have both launches on the same hour, it does seems a bit tough to pull this out.
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Next Spaceflight has moved it...6 minutes to the left with the launch time now at 21:54 UTC.

I think we will have to wait to see if SpaceX really plans to have both launches on the same hour, it does seems a bit tough to pull this out.

Didn’t Elon once make a long-term goal way back then to have two Falcon 9 launches occur on the same hour?
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Next Spaceflight has moved it...6 minutes to the left with the launch time now at 21:54 UTC.

I think we will have to wait to see if SpaceX really plans to have both launches on the same hour, it does seems a bit tough to pull this out.

If they want launch Starship with Tanker flights back to back. This would be good test compagine.

Next Spaceflight has moved it...6 minutes to the left with the launch time now at 21:54 UTC.

I think we will have to wait to see if SpaceX really plans to have both launches on the same hour, it does seems a bit tough to pull this out.
i remember 25 minutes apart by soyuz U in 1969 so pretty close
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Falcon 9, December 16 @ 4:21-5:49 p.m. EST (pad 40) and Falcon 9, December 16 @ 4:54-5:13 p.m. EST (pad 39A)


Also:


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If both launches take place, it will beat the 1966 Cape Canaveral orbital launch record of ~99-103 minutes apart set by Geminis 8, 10, 11 & 12 and their Agena docking targets for closest back-to-back launches.
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Doug departed Port Canaveral last night towing Just Read the Instructions droneship downrange for the upcoming Starlink 4-37 mission.

https://twitter.com/SpaceOffshore/status/1602691061314306054

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L-3 launch weather forecast is 90% GO

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Now also ATCSCC Adv. Operations Plan shows both Launches on Dec. 16.
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The world needs to see 2 Falcon 9 flights within 40 minutes of each other.

Silly question: Does SpaceX do 2 separate streams, one for each flight, or just do 1 long one since it could have the same commentators?  Hmm  ;)
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The world needs to see 2 Falcon 9 flights within 40 minutes of each other.

Silly question: Does SpaceX do 2 separate streams, one for each flight, or just do 1 long one since it could have the same commentators?  Hmm  ;)


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CelesTrak has pre-launch SupGP data for the #Starlink Group 4-37 Launch from Cape Canaveral on 2022-12-16 at 21:54:10 UTC. Deployment of 54 satellites is set for 2022-12-16 at 22:09:37.340 UTC: celestrak.org/NORAD/elements…. Data can be found at: https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/table.php?FILE=starlink-g4-37

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SLD 45 will support both the MPOWER-A & the STARLINK 4-37 tomorrow, 12/16.

Make sure you check both sets of closure areas at https://patrick.spaceforce.mil.

The MPOWER-A launch window opens at 16:21 EST (21:21 UTC).
The STARLINK 4-37 launch window opens at 16:39 EST (21:39 UTC).

https://twitter.com/SLDelta45/status/1603443904946241538
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No L-2 weather forecast posted publicly yesterday.  L-1 weather forecast.  >90% 'Go' for December 16.  60% 'Go' for December 17.  Booster Recovery Weather risk is Moderate-High for December 16 and Low-Moderate for December 17.  All other Additional Risk Criteria are Low for both days.

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SLD 45 will support both the MPOWER-A & the STARLINK 4-37 tomorrow, 12/16.

Make sure you check both sets of closure areas at https://patrick.spaceforce.mil.

The MPOWER-A launch window opens at 16:21 EST (21:21 UTC).
The STARLINK 4-37 launch window opens at 16:39 EST (21:39 UTC).

https://twitter.com/SLDelta45/status/1603443904946241538

No, launch time is 21:54 UTC. That on the tweet (and the weather forecast) is just the window of operations for the range. An alternative T0 is available at 22:13 UTC which is basically launching on the next orbital plane.

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On Friday afternoon SpaceX is planning a Falcon 9 doubleheader with launches occurring just over 30 mins apart from Florida.

Both missions will feature a droneship landing, these will happen approx ~520 km apart from each other in the Atlantic Ocean.

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SpaceX is targeting Saturday, December 17 for a Falcon 9 launch of 54 Starlink satellites to low-Earth orbit from Launch Complex 39A (LC-39A) at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The instantaneous launch window is at 4:32 p.m. ET (21:32 UTC).

The first stage booster supporting this mission previously launched Crew Demo-2, ANASIS-II, CRS-21, Transporter-1, Transporter-3, and nine Starlink missions. Following stage separation, the first stage will land on the Just Read the Instructions droneship, which will be stationed in the Atlantic Ocean.

A live webcast of this mission will begin about five minutes prior to liftoff.

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A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket that will launch another batch of Starlink satellites on Saturday is being rolled out at pad 39A this morning. Watch live: youtu.be/i_8BZdKkrc8

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SpaceX Falcon 9 B1058-15 (yes, 15!) raised vertical at KSC 39A ahead of this weekend's Starlink Group 4-37 launch.

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Cape Canaveral/Kennedy Space Center, FL temporary restriction:
From December 17, 2022 at 2047 UTC to To December 17, 2022 at 2229 UTC
Altitude: From the surface up to and including 18000 feet MSL
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Likely:Starlink (4-37) (rocketlaunch.live/launch/starlin…)

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.@SpaceX has notified CelesTrak that the #Starlink Group 4-37 launch is now targeted for 2022-12-17 at 21:32:30 UTC with deployment on 2022-12-17 at 21:47:57.340 UTC. CelesTrak pre-launch SupGP data has been updated to reflect this change.

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New L-1 weather forecast. 60% 'Go' for December 17. 80% 'Go' for December 18.  Booster Recover Weather risk is Low-Moderate for December 17 and Moderate-High for December 18.  All other Additional Risk Criteria are Low for both days.

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LHA map for #Starlink Group 4-37 from VSFB SLC-4E NET 17 Dec 21:32 UTC, alternatively 18 to 22 Dec based on issued NOTAM/NOTMARs. B1058.15 planned landing with roughly estimated fairing recovery ~655km downrange. Stage2 debris reentry in North Pacific. http://bit.do/LHA21

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Targeting tomorrow, December 17 for launch of 54 Starlink satellites from LC-39A in Florida →

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Good afternoon from KSC, where a Falcon 9 rocket is set for liftoff from pad 39A in an hour at 1632 EST. Today’s launch of 54 Starlink satellites will mark the booster’s 15th flight.

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Good afternoon from KSC, where a Falcon 9 rocket is set for liftoff from pad 39A in an hour at 1632 EST. Today’s launch of 54 Starlink satellites will mark the booster’s 15th flight.

No weather violations at the moment.
Wait. Is that an actual falcon (bird) sitting on that sign???

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SpaceX Falcon 9 (B1058-15 - yes, that's FIFTEEN) launch with Starlink 4-37 from KSC 39A

Overview:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/12/o3b-mpower-starlink-4-37/

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Fueling underway. Everything OK for liftoff at 1632 EST.

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Good afternoon from KSC, where a Falcon 9 rocket is set for liftoff from pad 39A in an hour at 1632 EST. Today’s launch of 54 Starlink satellites will mark the booster’s 15th flight.

No weather violations at the moment.
Wait. Is that an actual falcon (bird) sitting on that sign???
I think it's an osprey.  I used to see them occasionally when driving or riding over the 14th Street bridges (motor vehicle + Metro) over the Potomac.
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Funky tunes have started

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Those fairing have seen some use, wow

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S2 LOX load complete
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LD go for launch. Landing weather looks good
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LAUNCH! SpaceX Falcon 9 B1058-15 launches with Starlink 4-37 from KSC 39A.

🥇New Record.🥇
33 hours 36 mins between THREE Falcon 9 launches!

Overview:
https://nasaspaceflight.com/2022/12/o3b-mpower-starlink-4-37/

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MECO, separation & S2 ignition
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Fairing separation
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https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1604228285516447744
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LIFTOFF! At 4:32:30pm EST (2132 UTC)
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Landed! A new record!!
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SECO & nominal orbit insertion

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Webcast has ended. No live deploy today

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And B1058 completes its 15th landing!
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Only about 3 more mins to Starlink deploy

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Webcast has ended. No live deploy today.

Not just today. Literally almost every Starlink launch never shows live deployment.
Liftoff for St. Jude's! Go Dragon, Go Falcon, Godspeed Inspiration4!

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Deployment of 54 Starlink satellites confirmed
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It's been a while since we have watched a Starlink launch on the Space Coast and B1058 delivered this load in style. Yes, this fleet leader just landed after a 15th flight!

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Many congratulations to SpaceX on 3 back-to-back successful missions in less than a day and a half, together with a new record breaking 15th successful use of a booster. Outstanding!

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Autotrack of Starlink 4-37 is another flawless run!

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Launch party on the roof!

SpaceX breaks another of its own records, launching Starlink atop a 15-flight Falcon 9 booster.

nasaspaceflight.com/2022/12/o3b-mp…

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One last look as Falcon 9 punches through the clouds.

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#Starlink 4-37 #Falcon9 launch: #SpaceX sent 54 satellites to orbit at 4:32pm (ET) Saturday.

The low cloud deck quickly obscured the rocket, but it was cool while it was visible, seen here in a 30-sec exposure from Cocoa Beach, Florida.

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Congrats to SpaceX Team on 3 perfect orbital launches within 36 hours!!!

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Aerial shot …

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SpaceX sends 54 Starlink satellites to orbit from Launch Complex 39A at 4:32 p.m. today — the company’s third launch in just under 34 hours.

B1058 is now the Falcon fleet leader, having supported 15 orbital launches since its first launch for the Demo-2 mission in May 2020.
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F9/Starlink 4-37: A look back at this evening’s launch as seen from the roof of the CBS bureau at KSC:

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Orbital launch no. 181 of 2022  12/17/2022

#SpaceX to launch another batch of 54 #Starlink communication satellite for on top of #Falcon9 B1058-15 from LC-39A at the #Kennedy Space Center in #Florida.

#SpaceX successfully launched another 54 #Starlink communication satellite for on top of their #Falcon9 B1058-15 LV, launched from LC-39A at the @NASAKennedy Center in Florida, 9 min later, the 1st stage successfully landed on JRTI Droneship in Atlantic Ocean.

https://twitter.com/nkknspace/status/1604243795876278272
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SpaceX Falcon9 Group 4-37 lifts off this afternoon. Booster B1058 doesn't like a day older than five flights to space, but this is its fifteenth, a record for #SpaceX.

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CelesTrak has ephemeris-based SupGP data for 20 of 54 #Starlink Group 4-37 satellites launched (2022-175) atop a Falcon 9 from Cape Canaveral on Dec 17 at 2132 UTC: spaceflightnow.com/2022/12/17/fal…. Data can be found at: https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/table.php?INTDES=2022-175

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Both JRTI and ASOG droneship are due back from their respective missions with one Falcon 9 each.

Both teams are estimated to arrive overnight Tuesday into Wednesday morning. Double boosters for Christmas!

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A couple of SpaceX launch photos

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Doug should be arriving at Port Canaveral in about an hour, hopefully carrying the fairing from Starlink 4-37.

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Arrival! Doug is back at Port Canaveral with a haul of two fairing halves from Starlink 4-37!
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Second booster of the day - JRTI droneship should reach Port Canaveral around 4pm today.

Exact arrival time may differ due to ship congestion (ASOG is occupying the booster unloading dock)

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The @SpaceX autonomous droneship Just Read the Instructions (JRTI) is approaching the entrance to Port Canaveral with after a successful Starlink 4-37 landing on December 17. New flight leader rocket B1058-15 stands tall in its sportiness! SpaceX team continues to lead. 👍🏻🚀⛴️

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A Shortfall of Gravitas is moving out of the way after dropping off booster 1069 for Just Read the Instructions which is bringing in the legendary B1058-15

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Welcome back Falcon 9 fleet leader B1058!

15 flights completed! ✅ 🚀

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Two booster arrivals in one day!
B1067 (left) arrived this morning at 5:00 AM after its 8th mission & B1058 (right) arrived this evening after its 15th mission.

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"I still remember my first launch and landing" (old lady voice).

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15X!!! This Booster 1058 has launched and landed 15 times. Congratulations SpaceX for pushing the boundaries and setting the standard!

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Record breaking 15x flown Falcon 9 B1058 in Port Canaveral this morning.

P.S: Sorry Florida, I brought the cold weather with me. ⛄

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New @SpaceX flight leader B1058 still on the dock at Port Canaveral for Day Three. It sure is the sootiest booster I recall seeing! That is the accumulated residue of 15 trips to space and back - More than any other “thing” (that we know of), other than Discovery. 👍🏻🚀

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CelesTrak has GP data for 58 objects from the launch (2022-175) of 54 #Starlink Group 4-37 satellites from Cape Canaveral on Dec 17 at 2132 UTC. Data is available at: https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/table.php?INTDES=2022-175

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New @SpaceX flight leader B1058 still on the dock at Port Canaveral for Day Three. It sure is the sootiest booster I recall seeing! That is the accumulated residue of 15 trips to space and back - More than any other “thing” (that we know of), other than Discovery. 👍🏻🚀

Discovery has 39 ups and downs, but Columbia had 28 ups, 27 downs, Endeavor had 25 ups and downs, Atlantis 33. So only has Challenger beat so far.
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