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Discussion thread for the launch of the Nancy Grace Roman Telescope (formerly WFIRST)

NSF threads for Nancy Grace Roman Telescope: Telescope thread / Launch discussion thread



https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1549488283171917829

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NASA says its Nancy Grace Roman Telescope will launch on a Falcon Heavy rocket in October 2026. Contract is valued at $255 million, which includes the launch service and other mission related costs.
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https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1549492284932050944

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NASA has selected Falcon Heavy to launch the Roman Space Telescope, which is designed to study dark energy and dark matter, search for and image exoplanets, and more. Liftoff is targeted for no earlier than October 2026 from Launch Complex 39A in Florida

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-launch-services-contract-for-roman-space-telescope

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Jul 19, 2022
CONTRACT RELEASE C22-015

NASA Awards Launch Services Contract for Roman Space Telescope

NASA has awarded a NASA Launch Services (NLS) II contract to Space Exploration Technologies Corporation (SpaceX) in Hawthorne, California, to provide launch service for the Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope mission. The Roman Space Telescope is the top-priority large space mission recommended by the 2010 Astronomy and Astrophysics Decadal Survey.

NLS II is an indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract. The total cost for NASA to launch the Roman telescope is approximately $255 million, which includes the launch service and other mission related costs. The telescope’s mission currently is targeted to launch in October 2026, as specified in the contract, on a Falcon Heavy rocket from Launch Complex 39A at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

The telescope’s science program will include dedicated investigations to tackle outstanding questions in cosmology, including the effects of dark energy and dark matter, and exoplanet exploration. Roman also includes a substantial general investigator program to enable further studies of astrophysical phenomena to advance other science goals.

The telescope was previously known as the Wide Field InfraRed Survey Telescope (WFIRST), but it was later renamed in honor of Dr. Nancy Grace Roman for her extraordinary work at NASA, which paved the way for large space telescopes.

NASA’s Launch Services Program at Kennedy is responsible for launch vehicle program management of the SpaceX launch service. The Roman Space Telescope project is managed by NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.

For more information about NASA programs and missions, visit:

https://www.nasa.gov

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A high-resolution illustration of the Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope against a starry background.
Credits: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center
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https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1549493958086213633

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May 2027 is the formal launch commitment date (no later than) for Roman, but the target is still October 2026.

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Would this launch require an extended fairing?

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Would this launch require an extended fairing?
It might given FIA/KH spacecraft heritage however the finalised spacecraft dimensions i cannot locate however I would ballpark compare it between Herschel and Hubble.
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Why is this launch so expensive ($255M)? IIRC a fully expended Falcon Heavy launch is ~$150M and if there's reuse that lowers prices. IIRC previous NASA Falcon launches have been priced ~$50M more than usual due to government paperwork. Is there $100M of extra paperwork for this launch?

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Would this launch require an extended fairing?
Would this launch require an extended fairing?
It might given FIA/KH spacecraft heritage however the finalised spacecraft dimensions i cannot locate however I would ballpark compare it between Herschel and Hubble.

Ok. Dimensions via Wikipedia (sans payload adaptors) :

Herschel: 7.5 m × 4.0 m (25 ft × 13 ft)

Hubble: 13.2 m × 4.2 m (43 ft × 14 ft)

Can't find the standard Falcon payload fairing dimensions at the moment, my Google-fu is weak on mobile. Anyone else have those numbers?

Can't find Falcon

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Why is this launch so expensive ($255M)? IIRC a fully expended Falcon Heavy launch is ~$150M and if there's reuse that lowers prices. IIRC previous NASA Falcon launches have been priced ~$50M more than usual due to government paperwork. Is there $100M of extra paperwork for this launch?

I'm sure it's partially paperwork and partially that there is no other launcher available. All launchers that could launch this are either out of production (Atlas 5, DIVH, Ariane 5) or yet to launch (Vulcan, New Glenn, Ariane 6)

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Can't find the standard Falcon payload fairing dimensions at the moment, my Google-fu is weak on mobile. Anyone else have those numbers?
Appendix A in https://www.spacex.com/media/falcon-users-guide-2021-09.pdf
"The standard SpaceX Falcon fairing is 5.2 m (17.2 ft) in outer diameter and 13.2 m (43.5 ft) high overall... The extended fairing has the same diameter as the standard faring (5.2 m, 17.2 ft) and an overall height of 18.7 m (61.25 ft)."

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Why is this launch so expensive ($255M)? IIRC a fully expended Falcon Heavy launch is ~$150M and if there's reuse that lowers prices. IIRC previous NASA Falcon launches have been priced ~$50M more than usual due to government paperwork. Is there $100M of extra paperwork for this launch?

There is probably a lot of special processing that NASA requires for the Roman telescope that does not happen for normal payloads.
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I am assuming NASA would want to launch this on a US rocket, given this is much less an international project compared to JWST.  Tory stated earlier this year that ULA would not bid Vulcan for this mission, leaving only SpaceX and possibly Blue Origin if they choose to bid.  Given that SpaceX becomes the default, and maybe only logical choice in this circumstance, why not grab some extra money for an almost guaranteed contract?  It could also be possible that the telescope will require special care and processing, such as vertical integration.  It could also be possible that SpaceX foresees a future in 2026 or 2027 where F9 and FH launches are much less frequent, therefore leading to the program costing more to run for more high profile launches that will still ride to space on the Falcon rockets.  Anyways, I will be interested to see if Blue bid on this launch.
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Would this launch require an extended fairing?
Would this launch require an extended fairing?
It might given FIA/KH spacecraft heritage however the finalised spacecraft dimensions i cannot locate however I would ballpark compare it between Herschel and Hubble.

Ok. Dimensions via Wikipedia (sans payload adaptors) :

Herschel: 7.5 m × 4.0 m (25 ft × 13 ft)

Hubble: 13.2 m × 4.2 m (43 ft × 14 ft)

Can't find the standard Falcon payload fairing dimensions at the moment, my Google-fu is weak on mobile. Anyone else have those numbers?

Can't find Falcon
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Why is this launch so expensive ($255M)? IIRC a fully expended Falcon Heavy launch is ~$150M and if there's reuse that lowers prices. IIRC previous NASA Falcon launches have been priced ~$50M more than usual due to government paperwork. Is there $100M of extra paperwork for this launch?

Possible, but unlikely, reason being NASA going halfsies on the proposed NSL supporting LC-39A VIF with the NRO?

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Why is this launch so expensive ($255M)? IIRC a fully expended Falcon Heavy launch is ~$150M and if there's reuse that lowers prices. IIRC previous NASA Falcon launches have been priced ~$50M more than usual due to government paperwork. Is there $100M of extra paperwork for this launch?

Possible, but unlikely, reason being NASA going halfsies on the proposed NSL supporting LC-39A VIF with the NRO?

I concur the additional cost above the listed FH price will be NASA ‘paperwork’ vertical integration, lack of competition and perhaps the extended payload fairing.

This is a huge get for SpaceX and FH.
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I am assuming NASA would want to launch this on a US rocket, given this is much less an international project compared to JWST.  Tory stated earlier this year that ULA would not bid Vulcan for this mission, leaving only SpaceX and possibly Blue Origin if they choose to bid.  Given that SpaceX becomes the default, and maybe only logical choice in this circumstance, why not grab some extra money for an almost guaranteed contract? 

No, the contract has not to exceed prices

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Why is this launch so expensive ($255M)? IIRC a fully expended Falcon Heavy launch is ~$150M and if there's reuse that lowers prices. IIRC previous NASA Falcon launches have been priced ~$50M more than usual due to government paperwork. Is there $100M of extra paperwork for this launch?

Possible, but unlikely, reason being NASA going halfsies on the proposed NSL supporting LC-39A VIF with the NRO?

no

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I am assuming NASA would want to launch this on a US rocket, given this is much less an international project compared to JWST.  Tory stated earlier this year that ULA would not bid Vulcan for this mission, leaving only SpaceX and possibly Blue Origin if they choose to bid.  Given that SpaceX becomes the default, and maybe only logical choice in this circumstance, why not grab some extra money for an almost guaranteed contract? 

No, the contract has not to exceed prices

I think what 'spacenuance' was implying was that SpaceX's bid for this mission might have been higher than the minimum they could have bid with those same services and still had a profit.

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Why is this launch so expensive ($255M)? IIRC a fully expended Falcon Heavy launch is ~$150M and if there's reuse that lowers prices. IIRC previous NASA Falcon launches have been priced ~$50M more than usual due to government paperwork. Is there $100M of extra paperwork for this launch?

It isn't so expensive or out of family

EC - $178M
HALOPPE - $332M

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I think what 'spacenuance' was implying was that SpaceX's bid for this mission might have been higher than the minimum they could have bid with those same services and still had a profit.

Nobody bids the minimum

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I am assuming NASA would want to launch this on a US rocket, given this is much less an international project compared to JWST.  Tory stated earlier this year that ULA would not bid Vulcan for this mission, leaving only SpaceX and possibly Blue Origin if they choose to bid.  Given that SpaceX becomes the default, and maybe only logical choice in this circumstance, why not grab some extra money for an almost guaranteed contract? 

No, the contract has not to exceed prices

With FAR is there additional protections when a contract is sole source which forces the supplier to do some justification for the contract price?  Our was it just a matter of SpaceX and NASA negotiating and NASA told SpaceX this is our not to exceed price so SpaceX just bid that price? 
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