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« on: 07/01/2022 07:05 pm »
New space station company...

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #1 on: 07/01/2022 10:18 pm »
CEO Colin Doughan is also CEO of Stockbridge, which is 'creating solutions at the intersection of aerospace and blockchain'. Ew.

They worked at Lockheed as a financial analyst prior to these two ventures.

Assuming it's not total vaporware, the hab they're proposing has a 7.6m diametre, which I think means Starship only for launch. 

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #2 on: 07/02/2022 01:47 am »
CEO Colin Doughan is also CEO of Stockbridge, which is 'creating solutions at the intersection of aerospace and blockchain'. Ew.

They worked at Lockheed as a financial analyst prior to these two ventures.

Assuming it's not total vaporware, the hab they're proposing has a 7.6m diametre, which I think means Starship only for launch. 

It wasn't public info, but Colin was also one of my cofounders at Altius Space Machines, and helped me run things for most of the first decade or so of operations (during evenings and weekends). He's a great guy, and I'm glad to see them starting to come out of stealth. He's definitely better at fundraising than I've ever been, and I think he's got a pretty realistic concept he's pursuing. I can't say much more, but am looking forward to when they can talk more about their customer traction and long-term vision.

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #3 on: 07/02/2022 04:05 am »
https://twitter.com/rocketrepreneur/status/1542918076710002691

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Late last year, @colindoughan (one of my cofounders at @AltiusSpace) started a company focused on affordable human spaceflight facilities, and eventually artificial gravity stations. It's cool to see them opening up a bit about what they're up to.



Check out their StarMax™ module concept -- basically the biggest rigid pressurized module you can fit into a Starship launch. 400m^3 of volume, high structural FOS, and unlike an inflatable, you can outfit internally on the ground (and easily mount things externally).

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #4 on: 07/02/2022 07:07 am »
CEO Colin Doughan is also CEO of Stockbridge, which is 'creating solutions at the intersection of aerospace and blockchain'. Ew.

They worked at Lockheed as a financial analyst prior to these two ventures.

Assuming it's not total vaporware, the hab they're proposing has a 7.6m diametre, which I think means Starship only for launch. 

It wasn't public info, but Colin was also one of my cofounders at Altius Space Machines, and helped me run things for most of the first decade or so of operations (during evenings and weekends). He's a great guy, and I'm glad to see them starting to come out of stealth. He's definitely better at fundraising than I've ever been, and I think he's got a pretty realistic concept he's pursuing. I can't say much more, but am looking forward to when they can talk more about their customer traction and long-term vision.

~Jon

That's great to hear. It's so easy to throw together a few nice renders these days. I'll drop my cynicism and go back to my initial thought of "That looks interesting".  :)

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #5 on: 07/02/2022 04:10 pm »
CEO Colin Doughan is also CEO of Stockbridge, which is 'creating solutions at the intersection of aerospace and blockchain'. Ew.

They worked at Lockheed as a financial analyst prior to these two ventures.

Assuming it's not total vaporware, the hab they're proposing has a 7.6m diametre, which I think means Starship only for launch.

Their hab is also called "Starmax," so that's definitely going along with Musk's favored "Star-something" theme.

I also appreciate jongoff throwing in a good word. That means a lot to my expectations too, so I'll be watching this with interest.

Although I must say with a name like "Gravitics" they better have a spinning hab or some such in the works...

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #6 on: 08/02/2022 06:15 am »
https://twitter.com/rocketrepreneur/status/1554341582907707392

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lQuick personal update: starting next week I'll be joining my former Altius cofounder, @colindoughan at his space station startup, @GraviticsInc. I'll be supporting them as they refine their technical architecture/technology roadmap, and will also be supporting biz dev efforts.

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For those of you not following them closely, @GraviticsInc is developing their StarMax pressurized modules initially for microgravity applications, but with a long-term goal of enabling artificial gravity space facilities.

https://twitter.com/rocketrepreneur/status/1554342499228925952

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Those of you who've been following me for a long time know I've been beating the drum on the importance of learning how humans adapt to hypogravity conditions, and this new role will give me an opportunity to work more directly on charting a path to those kinds of capabilities.

Good luck, I hope you’re all successful.

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #7 on: 08/02/2022 09:51 pm »
Good luck, I hope you’re all successful.

Thanks man! I'm pretty excited. Great team, fun problems to work on, and not having to bootstrap off of SBIRs and R&D contracts.

It does mean that I'm going to have to behave myself again though. :-)

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #8 on: 11/09/2022 07:50 pm »
https://twitter.com/graviticsinc/status/1590439862855172096

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8-Meter space station hardware. How big are your dreams?

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« Reply #9 on: 11/14/2022 09:56 am »
https://twitter.com/colindoughan/status/1590729172284223494

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Megan welding @GraviticsInc StarMax support equipment.
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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #10 on: 11/15/2022 08:19 pm »

They've started a YouTube channel which has this brief Starmax flyby.


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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #11 on: 11/15/2022 08:31 pm »

They've started a YouTube channel which has this brief Starmax flyby.



I'm biased, but I like the person for scale in the first picture.

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #12 on: 11/17/2022 02:55 pm »
https://twitter.com/graviticsinc/status/1593270955429740545

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Gravitics raises $20M to make the essential units for living and working in space https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/17/gravitics-space-stations/ via @techcrunch

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #13 on: 11/21/2022 02:17 am »
https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1594044575126982656

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Welcome back to #SpaceStationSaturday, a weekly series on past, present, and future space stations.
This week, we are highlighting our own StarMax. The StarMax is a flexible-use space station module designed to be a key building block for next generation commercial space stations



With a diameter of 7.6m, a height of 9.8m, and a volume of 400m³, the StarMax possesses nearly half the volume of the ISS in one module. The StarMax form factor is designed to come in a variety of diameters, which will allow it to fit on most next generation launch vehicles.



StarMax’s rigid body allows it to be outfitted with internal systems and accommodations on the ground, and can also have exterior systems like solar panels, radiators and additional payloads all set up before launching to space.



Complete with flexible docking and berthing systems, its modular design enables endless possibilities for configuration. StarMax’s exterior hull is composed of thick-gauge aluminum, which gives it the highest safety factor of any human-rated spacecraft.



Other than habitation, the StarMax can be outfitted for many use cases including as a propellant depot, a spacecraft ‘garage’ and a manufacturing and science laboratory. The StarMax platform is quite versatile because it’s designed to be a building block for space infrastructure.



The first StarMax hardware is currently being assembled for an initial ground test prototype, which is scheduled for space worthiness tests in early 2023. Visit http://Gravitics.com to learn more!

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #14 on: 11/22/2022 10:35 pm »
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Large bunks, small bunks, offices & labs. All options still include a huge expanse for free floating activities
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https://mobile.twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1593307103518670851?cxt=HHwWhoCytc6XyJwsAAAA

It looks like they posted some interior renders, although with a big disclaimer.





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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #15 on: 12/12/2022 09:13 pm »
https://twitter.com/brickmack/status/1602425257423429632

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An @SpaceX Crew Dragon docked to a lone @GraviticsInc StarMax. With independent power and propulsion, and 400 m^3 volume, this can be a station in its own right even without other modules

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #16 on: 12/13/2022 02:04 pm »
https://twitter.com/mpower_tec/status/1602669828409503744

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mPower Technology is excited to announce that its innovative solar technology, DragonSCALES will be used as the solar power solution for the @GraviticsInc  StarMax space station modules. bit.ly/3Fhlz8Y #solarpower #solar #spacetech #spacenews #space #spacepower

https://mpowertech.com/mpower-technology-selected-by-gravitics-as-solar-module-supplier-for-starmax-space-station-module/

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mPower Technology Selected by Gravitics as Solar Module Supplier for StarMax Space Station Modules

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. – December 13, 2022 – Innovative solar technology company, mPower Technology, Inc., announced today that its DragonSCALESTM solar power system will be used as the solar power solution for the Gravitics StarMaxTM space station modules.

Gravitics is leading the way in a new era of human presence in space with the introduction of StarMax – a flexible-use space station module that provides up to 400 cubic meters of usable habitable volume. StarMax represents a rethinking of the manufacturing plan for space station modules. With updated techniques and design goals based on next-gen launch vehicles, Gravitics can reduce costs and increase performance.

mPower Technology’s DragonSCALES solar modules are composed of a completely flexible, interconnected mesh of high-efficiency silicon solar cells and will serve as a key component of the integrated solar cell option for StarMax. DragonSCALES modules are ideally suited for this application. They are lightweight, low cost, and resistant to damage from orbital debris. Additionally, since they are flexible, they enable completely new design options that align with the curved configuration of StarMax.

“Power is a critical component of any space station,” said Colin Doughan, CEO of Gravitics. “We look forward to working with mPower to provide space-proven, reliable solar power for our StarMax modules, enabling the next generation of space stations.”

“We are thrilled to team up with Gravitics to help the company produce the building blocks for a sustainable human presence in space,” said Kevin Hell, CEO and president of mPower Technology. “We believe DragonSCALES is the perfect solar power solution for StarMax.”

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #17 on: 12/21/2022 10:17 pm »
I'm assuming that this is designed to launch on Starship?  I don't know of any other options, besides maybe New Glenn with a custom fairing. 

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« Reply #18 on: 12/21/2022 11:11 pm »
I'm assuming that this is designed to launch on Starship?  I don't know of any other options, besides maybe New Glenn with a custom fairing.

Yes. "StarMax" = Starship Maximum.
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« Reply #19 on: 12/23/2022 04:07 am »
I'm assuming that this is designed to launch on Starship?  I don't know of any other options, besides maybe New Glenn with a custom fairing.

Yes. "StarMax" = Starship Maximum.

The shipping analogue is "Panamax".

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #20 on: 12/23/2022 04:12 am »
https://twitter.com/brickmack/status/1602425257423429632

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An @SpaceX Crew Dragon docked to a lone @GraviticsInc StarMax. With independent power and propulsion, and 400 m^3 volume, this can be a station in its own right even without other modules

Seems like the Dragon is out of proportion (too large) in comparison with the StarMax in the graphic, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #21 on: 12/23/2022 04:24 am »
https://twitter.com/brickmack/status/1602425257423429632

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An @SpaceX Crew Dragon docked to a lone @GraviticsInc StarMax. With independent power and propulsion, and 400 m^3 volume, this can be a station in its own right even without other modules

Seems like the Dragon is out of proportion (too large) in comparison with the StarMax in the graphic, but I could be wrong.

No, it is properly proportioned.  Dragon II diameter is almost exactly 1/2 the diameter of StarMax.

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #22 on: 12/23/2022 04:25 am »
Seems like the Dragon is out of proportion (too large) in comparison with the StarMax in the graphic, but I could be wrong.
Starmax must be about 8 m in diameter and about 8 m long.
Dragon 2 with trunk is about 4 m in diameter and about 8 m long.
I did not count pixels, but it looks OK to me.

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #23 on: 12/24/2022 03:18 am »
Seems like the Dragon is out of proportion (too large) in comparison with the StarMax in the graphic, but I could be wrong.
Starmax must be about 8 m in diameter and about 8 m long.
Dragon 2 with trunk is about 4 m in diameter and about 8 m long.
I did not count pixels, but it looks OK to me.

Including MMOD shielding and the endcones, but not including docking/berthing mechanisms, StarMax is 7.8 meters wide and 9.7 meters long

I'm assuming that this is designed to launch on Starship?  I don't know of any other options, besides maybe New Glenn with a custom fairing. 

According to their Twitter, there are also smaller-diameter versions under consideration for use on other rockets. Sounds like the Starship-sized one is the priority though. Presumably the interior systems are modular and can be used independent of the container size, and scaling manufacturing processes for the pressure vessel hopefully isn't that tough

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #24 on: 12/24/2022 03:27 am »
Seems like the Dragon is out of proportion (too large) in comparison with the StarMax in the graphic, but I could be wrong.
Starmax must be about 8 m in diameter and about 8 m long.
Dragon 2 with trunk is about 4 m in diameter and about 8 m long.
I did not count pixels, but it looks OK to me.
Including MMOD shielding and the endcones, but not including docking/berthing mechanisms, StarMax is 7.8 meters wide and 9.7 meters long
I just eyeballed the picture to see that the diameter was about the same as the length, and then used the formula for the volume of a cylinder to find the diameter and length that will enclose the 400 m3 mentioned in the tweet. Just a rough guess not based on anything else.

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #25 on: 01/16/2023 04:52 am »
https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1614320732368166914

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#SpaceStationSaturday Astronaut Acrobatics- Skylab was the first space station launched by the US in 1973. Built from a spent S-IVB stage of a Saturn V rocket, Skylab had 361㎥ of habitable volume. Its Orbital Workshop dome was 6.7m in diameter and had a large open area



With weightlessness to their advantage, astronauts were able to show off their gymnast skills and perform all types of acrobatics. Compared to the Skylab, our StarMax modules will provide 400㎥ of habitable volume with an 8m diameter

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« Reply #26 on: 01/20/2023 10:29 am »
Clip of them cutting out a big door in their factory.  Gives a nice feel for their module scale.

I'm sure they could have made the hole in a less dramatic way, but where's the fun in that. :)

https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1616244294779551744?s=20&t=IAnoruzClqVQsGuAbzAcKQ

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« Reply #27 on: 01/23/2023 04:30 am »
Clip of them cutting out a big door in their factory.  Gives a nice feel for their module scale.

I'm sure they could have made the hole in a less dramatic way, but where's the fun in that. :)

https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1616244294779551744?s=20&t=IAnoruzClqVQsGuAbzAcKQ

Actually, AIUI that was the method the contractors picked, given the design of the building. I think my guys just realized it would probably make for a cool video, so one of them had the presence of mind to setup a GoPro beforehand to get the shot. :-)

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« Reply #28 on: 02/02/2023 04:52 pm »
I found a neat graphic of a StarMax superimposed on a Starship
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« Reply #29 on: 02/02/2023 04:59 pm »
I found a neat graphic of a StarMax superimposed on a Starship

Oh cool, where did you find that one?

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« Reply #30 on: 02/02/2023 05:11 pm »
I found a neat graphic of a StarMax superimposed on a Starship

Oh cool, where did you find that one?

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I googled ""starmax" space station Starship" and in the image search it's a few rows down. The google hit appears to have been a retweet from twitter.com/colindoughan (the Co-founder & CEO of Gravitics)

Link to the original tweet:

https://twitter.com/StarshipFairing/status/1593282933992919041
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« Reply #31 on: 02/02/2023 11:41 pm »
Nice. Yeah, so it wasn't from an official source, but Colin retweeted it. It looks reasonably accurate. Gives you a little taste for how big StarMax will be (though seeing the prototype hardware in-person up in Marysville last week was definitely something that no picture could really adequately convey...)

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« Reply #32 on: 02/03/2023 11:34 pm »
https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1621667415800135682

I'm glad they decided to post this picture. Seeing the hardware in-person was sweet, and this gives you an idea of how big it is. I'm looking forward to seeing this first set of prototype domes fully welded together and pressure tested.

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« Reply #33 on: 03/07/2023 08:48 pm »
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Stacking domes ahead of our pressure test

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #34 on: 03/07/2023 10:51 pm »
#NomNomNom

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« Reply #35 on: 03/15/2023 03:27 pm »
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Preparing domes for our upcoming pressure test

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« Reply #36 on: 03/15/2023 04:09 pm »
« Last Edit: 03/15/2023 04:10 pm by Lampyridae »

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« Reply #37 on: 03/15/2023 04:20 pm »
#NomNomNom

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I don't think we're planning on doing a burst test on this initial unit, at least not at this time. Just taking it up to proof pressures. If we decide to do a burst test, my guess is it'll be at a different location.

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« Reply #38 on: 03/15/2023 07:07 pm »
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Today’s pressure test is underway. We are now filling the StarMax pressure test article

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We are preparing to begin today’s StarMax prototype hull pressure test. We’ll add air to the pressure of the test article until holding at 14.7 PSI, or 1 Atmosphere, which will be normal operating pressure for a StarMax in space. Our target for today’s test is to hold at 26.4 PSI
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« Reply #39 on: 03/15/2023 08:36 pm »
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StarMax test article is stable and holding pressure. It’s currently at a checkpoint pressure of 6 PSI

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https://twitter.com/graviticsinc/status/1636121308697075713

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Our team is tracking vessel temperature, hull strain, and more as we hold at various levels of pressure on the way up to 14.7 PSI
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« Reply #40 on: 03/15/2023 10:38 pm »
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StarMax test article has reached 14.7 PSI, equal to one standard atmosphere

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« Reply #41 on: 03/16/2023 06:51 am »
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We have successfully pressurized the StarMax test article to over 26.4 PSI. With that, we have proven space worthiness of our StarMax prototype hull

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Popping back on Twitter for a second to signal boost this. Amazing work by our engineers and manufacturing team! Hitting our target proof pressure with our first pressure vessel prototype.
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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #42 on: 03/17/2023 01:45 am »
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« Reply #43 on: 03/24/2023 06:07 pm »
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Successful first pressure test of the StarMax prototype

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« Reply #44 on: 03/24/2023 06:20 pm »

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« Reply #45 on: 03/24/2023 06:22 pm »
Kyra did an amazing job with that video. Normally a pressure test (especially one that isn't a burst test) is about as exciting as watching paint dry. But she made it look epic. :-)

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« Reply #46 on: 04/06/2023 12:15 am »
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Barreling toward our next milestone

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« Reply #47 on: 04/06/2023 12:28 am »
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Barreling toward our next milestone

I love the fact that I'm not the only one at Gravitics that appreciates a good pun. :-)

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« Reply #48 on: 04/06/2023 12:42 am »
Hoop! there it is!
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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #49 on: 04/08/2023 07:06 am »
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Yesterday we conducted our first propulsion ignition test at our new facility. The igniter was fired 5 times. All inspections between runs were successful and the igniter is in good health.

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« Reply #50 on: 04/12/2023 05:26 pm »
I forgot how loud an igniter firing can be. I'm looking forward to seeing when they fire the full RCS thruster.

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #51 on: 04/12/2023 08:29 pm »
New vid:


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« Reply #52 on: 04/21/2023 10:31 am »
A time laps of their interior mockup being built, with some new? interior shots from 44 sec. 

They also show a dodecagon 'wheel' with 50+ Max modules.  The wheel and struts look to be about 4m diameter?  That'd be 70 or so Starship launches?

Nice that they're thinking big.


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« Reply #53 on: 04/22/2023 10:37 pm »
A time laps of their interior mockup being built, with some new? interior shots from 44 sec. 

They also show a dodecagon 'wheel' with 50+ Max modules.  The wheel and struts look to be about 4m diameter?  That'd be 70 or so Starship launches?

Nice that they're thinking big.


It was cool getting to see some of those ideas out in the wild. The artificial gravity facilities are still fairly early-stage at this point, as they're fairly far down our roadmap. But they're a key part of our identity (it's in the name and the logo after all), so I'm glad to see us starting to lift the curtain a little bit on some of the concepts. Trying to balance making and showing real hardware progress with communicating what the art of the possible can be with space stations.

Also, my crazy idea got some airtime around the 0:48 mark. :-)

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #54 on: 05/01/2023 06:50 pm »
Colin was on Laura Forczyk's Becoming Off-Worldly Together podcast:


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« Reply #55 on: 05/13/2023 06:28 pm »
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#SpaceStationSaturday - Gary Hudson, our Co-Founder and Chief Architect, shares Gravitics' vision and the steps we're taking to turn this vision into reality

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #57 on: 06/14/2023 03:56 am »
https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1668656125837815811?

Sad my three days in Seattle ended up being the day before this latest testing campaign kicked off. Great to see mach diamonds again though. I'm looking forward to the vacuum chamber testing.

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« Reply #58 on: 06/14/2023 04:06 am »
https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1668656125837815811?

Sad my three days in Seattle ended up being the day before this latest testing campaign kicked off. Great to see mach diamonds again though. I'm looking forward to the vacuum chamber testing.

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Do you guys have your own vacuum chamber, or are you shopping that out?
I tried it at home

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« Reply #59 on: 06/14/2023 04:10 am »
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Sad my three days in Seattle ended up being the day before this latest testing campaign kicked off. Great to see mach diamonds again though. I'm looking forward to the vacuum chamber testing.

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Do you guys have your own vacuum chamber, or are you shopping that out?

I think we have one in house that Gary built for a previous startup.

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #60 on: 06/18/2023 06:57 am »
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Gravitics MMOD Shielding tests were a success. In this video you can learn more about what goes into building the outer shell of a spacecraft, complete with solar cells, electrical harnessing, heat radiators, and protection against debris and radiation. #SpaceStationSaturday

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« Reply #61 on: 07/02/2023 05:54 am »
Another short update video including several RCS engine hot fire tests, some clips showing fit-up of the barrel sections (which are being welded in-between the now re-separated domes from the pressure test article), some of the HITL lab work on integrating the MMOD shielding panels, etc.

https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1675256474753290241

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« Reply #62 on: 07/02/2023 08:09 am »
Where did you guys do your MMOD tests?

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« Reply #63 on: 07/02/2023 01:44 pm »
Where did you guys do your MMOD tests?

I'm not positive,  but I think we used Texas A&M's light gas gun setup.

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« Reply #64 on: 07/02/2023 03:49 pm »
Does Gravitics have any facilities in Colorado?
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« Reply #65 on: 07/02/2023 05:53 pm »
Does Gravitics have any facilities in Colorado?

Not exactly. Colin and I both live north of Denver, and we do a lot of our work from home, when we're not traveling or collocating with the Washington team. But as far as office/shop space, all of that is currently in Marysville, WA.

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« Reply #66 on: 07/07/2023 04:10 pm »
Updated Starmax free-flyer with improved RCS and stringers (stronger?).
During a July 5th Aerospace Summit at Blue Origins headquarters in Kent WA the  VP of business development said "When explaining Gravitics’ business model to the public, Jiral Shah, stated
“Think of how Boeing builds airplanes but then sells them to Delta or United who are the operators, and they fly them. We are building space station modules and providing them to commercial space station operators like Blue Origin, or Axiom Space, or Northrop Grumman.”
Will Gravitics build modules for Blue Origin?
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« Reply #67 on: 07/07/2023 08:42 pm »
Updated Starmax free-flyer with improved RCS and stringers (stronger?).
During a July 5th Aerospace Summit at Blue Origins headquarters in Kent WA the  VP of business development said "When explaining Gravitics’ business model to the public, Jiral Shah, stated
“Think of how Boeing builds airplanes but then sells them to Delta or United who are the operators, and they fly them. We are building space station modules and providing them to commercial space station operators like Blue Origin, or Axiom Space, or Northrop Grumman.”
Will Gravitics build modules for Blue Origin?

Our goal is to build modules for any station operator who wants to work with us. We've started conversations with pretty much everyone in the game, not just the three mentioned above. We really want to do our part to help the commercial LEO destination market take flight.

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« Reply #68 on: 07/13/2023 09:29 am »
Updated Starmax free-flyer with improved RCS and stringers (stronger?).
During a July 5th Aerospace Summit at Blue Origins headquarters in Kent WA the  VP of business development said "When explaining Gravitics’ business model to the public, Jiral Shah, stated
“Think of how Boeing builds airplanes but then sells them to Delta or United who are the operators, and they fly them. We are building space station modules and providing them to commercial space station operators like Blue Origin, or Axiom Space, or Northrop Grumman.”
Will Gravitics build modules for Blue Origin?

Our goal is to build modules for any station operator who wants to work with us. We've started conversations with pretty much everyone in the game, not just the three mentioned above. We really want to do our part to help the commercial LEO destination market take flight.

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Acting as an ODM v. (e.g.) Thales Alenia Space as an OEM?

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« Reply #69 on: 08/22/2023 11:14 pm »
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We're setting new propulsion firing records every day using our automated testing process. Our 445 N (100 lbf) thruster has completed 35 successful firings in the span of 24 hours. This clip shows 4 controlled pulses that were recorded in real-time.

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Gravitics’ first StarMax hull is nearly fully stacked, with a complete barrel section & top dome. Our engineering teams have been evaluating vendors, materials, and refining their manufacturing approach while building this 8-meter prototype. The assembly of the barrel sections and top dome was completed in 6 weeks. As we progress in our rapid prototyping program for StarMax, we are setting a goal to completely build the primary structure in just 12 weeks.

StarMax is Gravitics' flagship product: A class of Space Station modules built for the next-generation of human and robotic utilization in space.

Founded in 2021, Gravitics, Inc. is an aerospace manufacturing company that designs and builds large space structures, including pressurized space station modules and free flyer platforms. Gravitics products are innovative and scalable, making them the ideal building blocks for humanity's future in space.

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« Reply #71 on: 09/09/2023 09:07 pm »
I'm so looking forward to going inside that once it's finished and I'm back up at the factory. Fun times!

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« Reply #72 on: 10/04/2023 07:41 pm »
Today Gravitics shared a thread on X/Twitter showcasing some of their hardware in development. Check it out!

https://x.com/GraviticsInc/status/1709616252644413537?s=20


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« Reply #74 on: 10/07/2023 04:11 pm »
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All of our modules are next-gen, including our 4-meter modules that match the size of what’s currently flying on the ISS. #SpaceStationSaturday

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« Reply #75 on: 10/09/2023 06:14 pm »
I was wondering on the trade offs between metal vs inflatable habitats. Gravitics didn't chose inflatable even though they supposed have many advantages. On the other hand they may have drawbacks too.

- I suppose developing a metal habit is far better understood than inflatables, so it may be in easier reach for a startup.
- Metal version  may have the opportunity to have better shielding.
- Metal version allows more flexibility what can be done to the interior on the ground before launch.
- With upcoming large payload volume large launch vehicles some of the original motivation for inflatables (saving volume at launch) may be far less pressing.
- Inflatables may have IP issues that makes them more expensive until the relevant patents expire.

Anything I missed?

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« Reply #76 on: 10/09/2023 11:25 pm »
I was wondering on the trade offs between metal vs inflatable habitats. Gravitics didn't chose inflatable even though they supposed have many advantages. On the other hand they may have drawbacks too.

- I suppose developing a metal habit is far better understood than inflatables, so it may be in easier reach for a startup.
- Metal version  may have the opportunity to have better shielding.
- Metal version allows more flexibility what can be done to the interior on the ground before launch.
- With upcoming large payload volume large launch vehicles some of the original motivation for inflatables (saving volume at launch) may be far less pressing.
- Inflatables may have IP issues that makes them more expensive until the relevant patents expire.

Anything I missed?

Dimensional issue; some of the big fairing launchers have more squat payload spaces, while an inflatable really shines with a long skinny hard core to work from.

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« Reply #77 on: 10/10/2023 03:19 am »
I was wondering on the trade offs between metal vs inflatable habitats. Gravitics didn't chose inflatable even though they supposed have many advantages. On the other hand they may have drawbacks too.

- I suppose developing a metal habit is far better understood than inflatables, so it may be in easier reach for a startup.
- Metal version  may have the opportunity to have better shielding.
- Metal version allows more flexibility what can be done to the interior on the ground before launch.
- With upcoming large payload volume large launch vehicles some of the original motivation for inflatables (saving volume at launch) may be far less pressing.
- Inflatables may have IP issues that makes them more expensive until the relevant patents expire.

Anything I missed?

I think you captured many of the main benefits of a metal system. It tends to be simpler, cheaper, and lighter for the same volume, is a lot more flexible in how you use the interior space, can be pre-outfitted on the ground, is easier to mount things to externally, and is easier able to handle accidental or deliberate depressurization. Inflatables and constructables (like Think Orbital) probably have their place though.

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« Reply #78 on: 10/10/2023 04:30 am »
I do like their practical approach to payload fairing size, and the 8m diameter should have some interesting applications.

I wonder if they are considering switching from aluminum to a composite vessel in the future?
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« Reply #79 on: 10/10/2023 04:47 am »
I do like their practical approach to payload fairing size, and the 8m diameter should have some interesting applications.

I wonder if they are considering switching from aluminum to a composite vessel in the future?

I don't have a crystal ball, but would be somewhat surprised if they went to composites in the future. I know they've actively traded both aluminum and stainless steel, but think at least for the time being that they're focused on metallic pressure structures.

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« Reply #80 on: 10/10/2023 04:56 am »
Yeah, the main question would be why do an inflatable? There’s a lot of complication involved with the inflation process. It only makes sense if you can’t do a bigger fairing. Bigelow’s 330 module would’ve been 6.7m in diameter but launched on a vehicle with a 5 meter fairing. Not that impressive. A hammerhead fairing does the same thing!

To me, the more interested approach is the “constructables” which could really expand volume dramatically. More risky tho.
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« Reply #81 on: 10/10/2023 05:14 am »
Yeah, the main question would be why do an inflatable? There’s a lot of complication involved with the inflation process. It only makes sense if you can’t do a bigger fairing. Bigelow’s 330 module would’ve been 6.7m in diameter but launched on a vehicle with a 5 meter fairing. Not that impressive. A hammerhead fairing does the same thing!

To me, the more interested approach is the “constructables” which could really expand volume dramatically. More risky tho.

Yeah, I hope someone like Think Orbital is able to raise the money needed to give that approach a try. Only way we'll ever get a zero-g space quidditch pitch... (with ducted fan "brooms")    :-)

And other serious stuff. Of course.

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« Reply #82 on: 10/11/2023 01:51 pm »
TRL seems like a pretty good reason alone: over half a century of regular long-duration human habitation of metallic pressure vessels, vs. 6 years of a single inflatable module that is cleared for occasional human access but not continuous habitation.

I was wondering on the trade offs between metal vs inflatable habitats. Gravitics didn't chose inflatable even though they supposed have many advantages. On the other hand they may have drawbacks too.

- I suppose developing a metal habit is far better understood than inflatables, so it may be in easier reach for a startup.
- Metal version  may have the opportunity to have better shielding.
- Metal version allows more flexibility what can be done to the interior on the ground before launch.
- With upcoming large payload volume large launch vehicles some of the original motivation for inflatables (saving volume at launch) may be far less pressing.
- Inflatables may have IP issues that makes them more expensive until the relevant patents expire.

Anything I missed?

Dimensional issue; some of the big fairing launchers have more squat payload spaces, while an inflatable really shines with a long skinny hard core to work from.
That depends on the deployment mechanism and internal structure. e.g. BEAM expanded 35% in diameter and 100% in length, as the 'core' was split in two with extending cable restraints.

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« Reply #83 on: 12/19/2023 06:40 pm »
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« Reply #85 on: 12/29/2023 06:26 pm »


I'm getting a "Video is Private" notice for that one.

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« Reply #86 on: 12/29/2023 07:04 pm »
It’s public again now - I think they were just a bit early with the YT release. The video URL hasn’t changed.

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« Reply #87 on: 12/29/2023 08:21 pm »
Updated Starmax free-flyer with improved RCS and stringers (stronger?).
During a July 5th Aerospace Summit at Blue Origins headquarters in Kent WA the  VP of business development said "When explaining Gravitics’ business model to the public, Jiral Shah, stated
“Think of how Boeing builds airplanes but then sells them to Delta or United who are the operators, and they fly them. We are building space station modules and providing them to commercial space station operators like Blue Origin, or Axiom Space, or Northrop Grumman.”
Will Gravitics build modules for Blue Origin?
Our goal is to build modules for any station operator who wants to work with us. We've started conversations with pretty much everyone in the game, not just the three mentioned above. We really want to do our part to help the commercial LEO destination market take flight.

Until recently space hardware has been very optimized, but not inexpensive. What I like about the approach that Gravitics is taking is that they are trying to commoditize space hardware to lower the cost.

Not that space hardware is like LEGOs, but there have always been many levels of contractors and subcontractors that have specialized in certain types of components and solutions, so Gravitics is just moving habitats up to that level now - pretty much catalog items that you can choose!

SpaceX is commoditizing space transportation, so it makes sense to have someone commoditizing space habitation. I wish Gravitics success in the future!
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If we don't continuously lower the cost to access space, how are we ever going to afford to expand humanity out into space?

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #88 on: 01/17/2024 08:10 pm »
https://twitter.com/rocketrepreneur/status/1747687167462109210

We should be able to share more details on what we're up to once we're all the way on contract. It's a fun concept. :-)

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #90 on: 01/26/2024 07:12 pm »

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #91 on: 03/15/2024 11:45 am »
Some new renders, and details of 4m, 6m and 8m module designs:

https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1768273375812870281

https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1768275493122695367

The 4m has a CBM at one end and a hollow cavity at the other. The 6m and 8m have CBMs at both ends, and the 6m is shown with IDSS adapters on the CBMs (square opening visible inside).

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« Reply #92 on: 03/15/2024 06:11 pm »
The way I understand this offer is that Gravitics is not planning to put its own station in LEO, but is offering other companies to use the modules it builds to assemble their own stations. Meanwhile, we know that all the companies entering this competition either build their own modules or order them from others, such as Airbus.

So what is Gravitics' business plan? Where does it plan to get customers from?

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #93 on: 03/16/2024 12:53 am »
Some new renders, and details of 4m, 6m and 8m module designs:

https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1768273375812870281

https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1768275493122695367

The 4m has a CBM at one end and a hollow cavity at the other. The 6m and 8m have CBMs at both ends, and the 6m is shown with IDSS adapters on the CBMs (square opening visible inside).

On the end adapters, our plan is to offer whatever mix of adapters a customer wants on a given module. The renderings are just of some specific point designs we developed for different potential customers.

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #94 on: 03/16/2024 12:59 am »
The way I understand this offer is that Gravitics is not planning to put its own station in LEO, but is offering other companies to use the modules it builds to assemble their own stations. Meanwhile, we know that all the companies entering this competition either build their own modules or order them from others, such as Airbus.

So what is Gravitics' business plan? Where does it plan to get customers from?

I had to think about how to answer this, as I have limits on what I can say. But I'd sum it up this way -- your first sentence is pretty close to right, but I disagree with some of your assumptions in the second sentence. We still have to prove that we can close the sale (and more importantly deliver on it), and while there are elements of our business plan that aren't public info, our main focus is exactly what we've said it is -- developing modules to sell or lease to LEO destination developers.

[I should note that we are actively going after DoD and non-commercial applications for our modules as well, but see those as supplemental to our core commercial focus.]

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« Reply #95 on: 03/16/2024 08:35 am »
We still have to prove that we can close the sale (and more importantly deliver on it), and while there are elements of our business plan that aren't public info, our main focus is exactly what we've said it is -- developing modules to sell or lease to LEO destination developers.

Thanks for this clarification! I understand that you first have to prove that your products are good and functionally suitable for potential customers. I just wonder if you will find such a first customer, because Axiom, Blue Origin, Sierra, Starlab or Vast have either already ordered such modules somewhere or are constructing them. The closest to your concept is Starlab, which is being built by Airbus for Starlab Space.

I wish you luck, but I have a concern about whether this is the time for near mass production of unified orbital modules.
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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #96 on: 03/16/2024 03:31 pm »
Thanks for this clarification! I understand that you first have to prove that your products are good and functionally suitable for potential customers. I just wonder if you will find such a first customer, because Axiom, Blue Origin, Sierra, Starlab or Vast have either already ordered such modules somewhere or are constructing them. The closest to your concept is Starlab, which is being built by Airbus for Starlab Space.

I wish you luck, but I have a concern about whether this is the time for near mass production of unified orbital modules.

Yeah, I can't go into details, but we're definitely seeing interest from some of the CLD developers, in spite of what you're saying above. Whether that materializes into orders remains to be seen, but I'm optimistic (in spite of being a pessimist by nature).

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« Reply #97 on: 04/25/2024 07:43 pm »
just announced, Gravitics will build orbital platforms for the Space Force based off of their space station architecture

https://www.gravitics.com/news/tacrsd2p2


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« Reply #98 on: 04/25/2024 09:02 pm »
For now, it's just a contract worth only US$1.7 million, for which Gravitics is to work on 'orbital platforms that will enable rapid and flexible response options' for the U.S. Space Force.

But it sounds intriguing and is probably worth waiting to see what comes from it.

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« Reply #99 on: 04/25/2024 09:43 pm »
Would be cool to see USSF guardians actually stationed in space! 

I'm curious what "rapid and flexible response options" means.  Something to do with satellite servicing? 

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« Reply #100 on: 04/25/2024 10:04 pm »
Once upon a time there were machine guns on the Soviet Almaz to destroy enemy satellites ;).  But today you don't need people to do that, so a habitat wouldn't be necessary either. So perhaps a backup military headquarters is to be housed there? :)

I have no idea...

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« Reply #101 on: 05/02/2024 01:18 pm »
Sorry we can't go into any details yet on our TacRS concept. It'll be fun when we can share more though.

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #102 on: 06/18/2024 07:42 pm »
NASA and Gravitics Sign Space Act Agreement with Focus on Verification and Validation for Large Spacecraft

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Today, Gravitics announced a Space Act Agreement (SAA) with NASA to provide engineering consultation for developing verification and validation approaches for large orbital spacecraft.

Vehicle-level qualification testing, including thermal, vacuum, vibration, and acoustic testing, is a necessary element in preparing spacecraft for challenging launch and space environments, particularly for long duration missions. Today’s qualification methodologies are focused on 4-meter class payloads and smaller, but new vehicles are expanding the possibilities of what can be launched to space. ULA’s Vulcan, Blue Origin’s New Glenn, and SpaceX’s Starship are among the next generation launch vehicles that can support wider diameters, up from 4-meter to as large as 8-meter class payloads. The space industry faces a formidable challenge of certifying large-diameter structures that can fly on these launch vehicles.

Gravitics offers a range of space infrastructure products, including structures as small as 3 meters and commercial space station modules as large as nearly 8 meters in diameter. The larger Gravitics space station module products (6-meter class, and 8-meter class) face the qualification challenges highlighted above. Responding to this need, NASA and Gravitics have signed a Space Act Agreement (SAA) to develop verification and validation by similarity approaches for 6 to 8-meter diameter structures.

“It is time to build bigger,” said Colin Doughan, CEO of Gravitics. “I am optimistic that the qualification and validation solutions being pioneered by Gravitics will be used across the industry from 6 to 8-meter diameter payloads and beyond.”

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Re: Gravitics
« Reply #103 on: 07/09/2024 03:07 pm »
I'm glad we're finally able to let the cat out of the bag on this effort with Axiom:

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1810675575335367167

https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1810677465687466195

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« Reply #104 on: 07/09/2024 03:10 pm »
Thanks for this clarification! I understand that you first have to prove that your products are good and functionally suitable for potential customers. I just wonder if you will find such a first customer, because Axiom, Blue Origin, Sierra, Starlab or Vast have either already ordered such modules somewhere or are constructing them. The closest to your concept is Starlab, which is being built by Airbus for Starlab Space.

I wish you luck, but I have a concern about whether this is the time for near mass production of unified orbital modules.

Yeah, I can't go into details, but we're definitely seeing interest from some of the CLD developers, in spite of what you're saying above. Whether that materializes into orders remains to be seen, but I'm optimistic (in spite of being a pessimist by nature).

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JSz,

I hope this new announcement answers your question. :-)

Obviously we need to land follow-on customers in addition to this one, but this is some proof that we're developing things people want to buy.

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« Reply #105 on: 07/09/2024 03:21 pm »
That's awesome. And it's good to see some of these companies work together. I'm pretty skeptical about the size (in terms of revenue, maybe half a billion from NASA per year starting around FY2028, half a billion to a billion from space tourism, maybe half a billion from other countries, unknown revenue from industrial uses of commercial stations like ZBLAN, orbital assembly of large structures, repair of satellites, etc... single digit billions at most to be honest and could be less than a billion per year in annual revenue for half a decade or more) of the commercial LEO space station market, and working together is one of the only ways I can see the numbers penciling for this many players.

Glad to see Gravitics working as a sort of habitable/pressurized module manufacturer. As skeptical as I am about commercial LEO space stations, we're gonna need a lot of pressurized modules on the Moon (if we want a real moon base) or on Mars (if we're planning to settle), and we need new players there.
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« Reply #106 on: 07/09/2024 03:38 pm »
Chris,

At current crew and cargo prices, I agree that the commercial LEO destination market may be in that single digit $B/yr range. But frankly other than telecom that's one of the biggest market opportunities in space at the moment. To me the question becomes what happens to crew/cargo logistics prices over the next half decade. When SpaceX gets serious competition that forces them to pass along the cost savings from reuse to customers, I could see this market growing a lot bigger. But frankly, even an (initially) single digit $B/yr market isn't a horrible one to be selling into.

And as has been hinted at in previous TacRS announcements, not all of our demand may be coming from commercial station operators...

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« Reply #107 on: 07/09/2024 04:37 pm »
IIRC, all the US-built pressurised ISS modules, all except for BEAM were built at MSFC. Other than Columbus, the other NASA and ESA supplied modules were built by Thales, including Nanorack's Bishop and the upcoming Axiom module. A commercial contract manufacturer of pressurised modules based in the US is a unique offering.

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« Reply #108 on: 07/09/2024 05:35 pm »
Very interesting and surprising information indeed! Regarding the Axiom station: it sounds like the Gravitics module/modules are to drastically increase the size of the Axiom station in the second construction phase, as the modules we know about, i.e. H1, H2, and RMF, are already being built. It appears that Axiom's ambition is to build a station larger than the current ISS. And bigger than those planned by Vast, Blue Origin + Sierra, and Starlab.

The Gravitics project will be the closest to the Starlab station, as both are to be 8 m in diameter. That is, it will actually compete with the European Airbus, which is building Starlab. The only option to launch such stations will be Starship, if all goes well. Elon Musk is surely already enjoying this competition....

Still very enigmatic is the information given that: "The company signed an agreement with NASA on new approaches to testing large spacecraft, as well as an early Space Force development contract." I look forward to Gravitics' wider presentation of this topic!

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« Reply #109 on: 07/09/2024 10:51 pm »
pressurized spacecraft

Wait, this isn't a delivered module, but something that can arrive on it's own then?

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« Reply #110 on: 07/09/2024 11:06 pm »
pressurized spacecraft

Wait, this isn't a delivered module, but something that can arrive on it's own then?

Yeah. I'm trying to be careful about not stepping beyond what we've already discussed publicly, but if you look at the tweets about our RCS thrusters from last October, we specifically mentioned that they were developed for precision maneuvering, including rendezvous and proximity operations. There are a few ways to skin the cat of how you get a module to a customer station, but at least initially the easiest is to bake in the RPOD/RPOC capability integrally into the modules themselves.

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« Reply #111 on: 07/09/2024 11:07 pm »
What currently exists that could deliver it?  Arriving on its own is quite useful.

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« Reply #112 on: 07/09/2024 11:10 pm »
IIRC, all the US-built pressurised ISS modules, all except for BEAM were built at MSFC. Other than Columbus, the other NASA and ESA supplied modules were built by Thales, including Nanorack's Bishop and the upcoming Axiom module. A commercial contract manufacturer of pressurised modules based in the US is a unique offering.

Yeah, having a US-based supplier is something that many of the companies we've spoken with have been pretty interested in. Though to be clear, we do more than just the pressure vessels. While we don't always get too far into the outfitting (beyond supporting integration), we are developing fully integrated modules/spacecraft, not just the shells.

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« Reply #113 on: 07/09/2024 11:14 pm »
The Gravitics project will be the closest to the Starlab station, as both are to be 8 m in diameter.

Neither of the two articles actually stated specifically the size of the module/spacecraft we'll be building for Axiom. The two relevant quotes are:

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The company offers 4-meter diameter spacecraft sized for today’s launch vehicles and larger options that will be enabled as new launch vehicles come online, like SpaceX’s Starship.

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Quote from: Michael Sheetz
The nearly 50-employee company, based in a northern suburb of Seattle, aims to provide space station modules — effectively the building blocks of the orbiting habitats — as a plug-and-play product line that can launch on a variety of rockets, whether those currently flying such as SpaceX’s Falcon 9 or future behemoths such as Blue Origin’s New Glenn.

The space station modules Gravitics is designing range from 3 meters (9 feet) to 8 meters (26 feet) in diameter. The largest module, which the company boasts will have the “largest interior volume in a standalone spacecraft,” is dubbed StarMax, a name inspired by SpaceX’s towering Starship rocket.

“We started by looking at Starship and saying, ‘Someone is going to maximize that payload volume,’” Doughan said.

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« Reply #114 on: 07/10/2024 09:39 am »
Is this pressurized module for the Axiom Power and Thermal Module?

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