https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/1538863103701569536QuoteCurrent recovery positions: Doug with fairings and B1060 on ASOG (Starlink), Finn with JRTI and B1061 (Globalstar-2) and Bob steaming along with fairings.
Current recovery positions: Doug with fairings and B1060 on ASOG (Starlink), Finn with JRTI and B1061 (Globalstar-2) and Bob steaming along with fairings.
Quote from: jcm on 06/19/2022 06:06 pmThis is interesting but I really wish people would do some error estimates.What is the uncertainty on the "54 degrees" measured from the launch info? Plus or minus 0.1 deg? or plus or minus 1 deg? or what?A reasonable request, but tough. For practice, I tried to guess the inclination of a GPS launch from the barge position. In this case we know the real answer, so we can check.From the FCC notice, the locations are:Cape 28 29 11N, 80 32 51WASDS 32 49 43N, 75 59 8WUsing the spherical geometry website: https://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong.html We find the initial bearing is 40.95 from North and hence 49.05 from equatorAssuming an instantaneous dV, and an orbit of 533 km (7598 m/s), we find the components in the launch frame:X = 7598 * cos(49.05 degrees) = 4980 m/sY = 7598 * sin(49.05 degrees) = 5739 m/sNext, we need to correct for Earth rotation, which will add to the X component, givingX = 4980 + 40000000/(24*3600)*cos(28.5 degrees) = 5387 m/sThen we re-find the azimuthatan(5739/5387) = 46.81 degrees from equator and hence azimuth = 43.19Next, an orbit's azimuth depends on its latitude. The usual equation is:azimuth = asin(cos(inc)/cos(lat))We instead solve for inclination:sin(azimuth) = cos(inc)/cos(lat))cos(inc) = sin(azimuth)*cos(lat)inc = acos(sin(azimuth)*cos(lat))So we get:inc = acos(sin(43.19 degrees)*cos(28.5 degrees)) = 53.02 degreesBut this GPS launch was known to be 55.0 degrees. So we seem to be about 2 degrees off. Either I made a mistake (entirely possible) or perhaps the extended nature of the launch maneuver causes the difference.Probably more accurate is differential, which is what I think the original poster did, comparing it to previous launches, their barge location, and their inclination. If you go through the same exercise with the GlobalStar launch (see below), you get about 0.16 degrees less inclination. This makes sense since the landing locations were very similar. This would say the mystery orbit inclination would be about 54.84 degrees. But the error margin is hard to say.Second stage burns are even guess-ier. The duration is hard to estimate from the camera, the startup and shutdown transients are a big part of the dV, and we don't know what throttle settings are used.---- Same calcs for GlobalStar:Step 1 : get long, lat of ASDS and Cape from noticehttps://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=115185&RequestTimeout=100Connection Cape: 28 29 11N, 80 32 51W ASDS: 32 52 26N, 75 53 58WStep 2 : find bearing, get 41.16 from north = 48.84 from equatorStep 3 : Consider launch as a single impulse. V for a 533 km orbit is 7598Step 4: Find componentsX = 7598 * cos(48.84) = 5001Y = 7598 * sin(48.84) = 5720Step 5: Add Earth rotation:X = 5001 + 40000000/(24*3600)*cos(28.5) = 5408Inertial inclination = atan(5720/5408) = 46.61 degrees; azimuth=43.39Step 6: Convert azimuth at a latitude to inclinationazimuth = asin(cos(inc)/cos(lat))sin(azimuth) = cos(inc)/cos(lat))cos(inc) = sin(azimuth)*cos(lat)inc = acos(sin(azimuth)*cos(lat))inc = acos(sin(43.39 degrees)*cos(28.5 degrees)) = 52.86 degrees
This is interesting but I really wish people would do some error estimates.What is the uncertainty on the "54 degrees" measured from the launch info? Plus or minus 0.1 deg? or plus or minus 1 deg? or what?
Quote from: Alexphysics on 06/20/2022 01:20 amThe theory that they're some sort of prototype Starlink 2.0 satellites that they're launching without anyone knowing falls itself apart when you consider the fact that they'd have to be approved by the FCC. If there were any Starlinks in this flight of any kind they would have to be of the older generation and/or be for a government agency which wouldn't necessarily need FCC approval. That or whoever proposes that theory has to include SpaceX comitting an illegal action that could entail the removal of their rights to operate the Starlink constellation. Not necessarily, SpaceX didn't file anything when they started flying v1.5, what can be flown under their existing Gen1 license is not clearly defined. Should be obvious that if they did fly Gen2 prototype, it'll still be using the same spectrum as Gen1, this would eliminate most of the concerns from FCC. The altitude and inclination of USA 320 is pretty close to one of the Gen1 orbits as well (97.5 degrees vs 97.6 degrees, 540km vs 560km)Or they could sidestep FCC by asking their DoD customer such as SDA to classify the launch as part of the DoD program. For example it's quite possible that they're using Starlink v2 bus for their SDA missile warning satellites, so they could ask SDA to authorize a test launch or two of this bus as part of the SDA constellation program. This way SDA gets the peace of mind that their missile warning satellite would actually work once launched, and SpaceX gets to test Starlink v2 bus early, win-win.
The theory that they're some sort of prototype Starlink 2.0 satellites that they're launching without anyone knowing falls itself apart when you consider the fact that they'd have to be approved by the FCC. If there were any Starlinks in this flight of any kind they would have to be of the older generation and/or be for a government agency which wouldn't necessarily need FCC approval. That or whoever proposes that theory has to include SpaceX comitting an illegal action that could entail the removal of their rights to operate the Starlink constellation.
Well, we can simplify the request to 'what is the uncertainty on the launch azimuth'. The FCC position is given to 1" of lat/lon correspondingto 31 metres, but I am skeptical the droneship is held to that degree of accuracy. Let's say it's good to 100m. Taking that and 655 km from the pad gives 0.01 degree uncertainty on the azimuth, which is pretty good. But it's clear (e.g. from Raul's LHA maps) that therewas something of a dogleg, and that introduces a larger uncertainty. Usuing the droneship hazard area only, we can get perhaps about a 0.1 degree confidence on its alignment, giving an uncertainty in the intended trajectory. I'm not sure though what theadded uncertainty is for slop from intended to actual. It does look a lot better determined than I would have guessed before doing the math.gives
Space-Track confirms the presence of four secret payloads on the Globalstar Falcon 9 launch - USA 328 to USA 331, catalog 52889 to 52892, orbital data not available. One piece of debris, probably a Starlink-style tension rod?
https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1538960051414646796QuoteSpace-Track confirms the presence of four secret payloads on the Globalstar Falcon 9 launch - USA 328 to USA 331, catalog 52889 to 52892, orbital data not available. One piece of debris, probably a Starlink-style tension rod?
Lick Observatory Public Programs Telescope Operator (PPTO) Keith Wandry forwarded some images of a rocket burn / fuel dump that was taken last night at Lick Observatory on 6/18/2022 at approximately 23:15 Pacific Daylight Time (6/19 06:15 UT) from near the 40" Nickel Telescope at 37.34302, -121.63717, 4200 ft MSL, The plume is approximately Azimuth 72.9° (NE), Alt 8.1° in the constellation Pegasus.<snip>https://www.flickr.com/photos/xb70man/albums/72177720299927045
Quote from: jcm on 06/20/2022 04:34 pmWell, we can simplify the request to 'what is the uncertainty on the launch azimuth'. The FCC position is given to 1" of lat/lon correspondingto 31 metres, but I am skeptical the droneship is held to that degree of accuracy. Let's say it's good to 100m. Taking that and 655 km from the pad gives 0.01 degree uncertainty on the azimuth, which is pretty good. But it's clear (e.g. from Raul's LHA maps) that therewas something of a dogleg, and that introduces a larger uncertainty. Usuing the droneship hazard area only, we can get perhaps about a 0.1 degree confidence on its alignment, giving an uncertainty in the intended trajectory. I'm not sure though what theadded uncertainty is for slop from intended to actual. It does look a lot better determined than I would have guessed before doing the math.gives The locations in the notices are precise, but I don't think they are very accurate. They each state "within 40.5 nautical miles" after the coordinates. Plus they specify the droneship, and the accompanying ship, at the same coordinates, though we know the ship stands off by about 4(?) miles during the actual landing. So I suspect the location cannot be deduced to anywhere near 100 meters from the notice. Internal to SpaceX, of course, the location of the droneship is VERY well known. That's because the rocket lands on a specific GPS determined spot, and the droneship had better be there. Since the booster almost always lands in the circle on the deck, the location must be known to a few meters, or better.
Quote from: LouScheffer on 06/20/2022 10:05 pmQuote from: jcm on 06/20/2022 04:34 pmWell, we can simplify the request to 'what is the uncertainty on the launch azimuth'. The FCC position is given to 1" of lat/lon correspondingto 31 metres, but I am skeptical the droneship is held to that degree of accuracy. Let's say it's good to 100m. Taking that and 655 km from the pad gives 0.01 degree uncertainty on the azimuth, which is pretty good. But it's clear (e.g. from Raul's LHA maps) that therewas something of a dogleg, and that introduces a larger uncertainty. Usuing the droneship hazard area only, we can get perhaps about a 0.1 degree confidence on its alignment, giving an uncertainty in the intended trajectory. I'm not sure though what theadded uncertainty is for slop from intended to actual. It does look a lot better determined than I would have guessed before doing the math.gives The locations in the notices are precise, but I don't think they are very accurate. They each state "within 40.5 nautical miles" after the coordinates. Plus they specify the droneship, and the accompanying ship, at the same coordinates, though we know the ship stands off by about 4(?) miles during the actual landing. So I suspect the location cannot be deduced to anywhere near 100 meters from the notice. Internal to SpaceX, of course, the location of the droneship is VERY well known. That's because the rocket lands on a specific GPS determined spot, and the droneship had better be there. Since the booster almost always lands in the circle on the deck, the location must be known to a few meters, or better.I presume that, at some point, F9 changes over from aiming at where the droneship is supposed to be to using some reference on the ship for final guidance. I have no idea how close it would have to be to switch over.
Well, we can simplify the request to 'what is the uncertainty on the launch azimuth'. The FCC position is given to 1" of lat/lon correspondingto 31 metres, but I am skeptical the droneship is held to that degree of accuracy. Let's say it's good to 100m. Taking that and 655 km from the pad gives 0.01 degree uncertainty on the azimuth, which is pretty good. But it's clear (e.g. from Raul's LHA maps) that therewas something of a dogleg, and that introduces a larger uncertainty. ...
The locations in the notices are precise, but I don't think they are very accurate. They each state "within 40.5 nautical miles" after the coordinates. ...
There was a dogleg. You can see it in the streak shots.
Quote from: su27k on 06/20/2022 01:31 amQuote from: Alexphysics on 06/20/2022 01:20 amThe theory that they're some sort of prototype Starlink 2.0 satellites that they're launching without anyone knowing falls itself apart when you consider the fact that they'd have to be approved by the FCC. If there were any Starlinks in this flight of any kind they would have to be of the older generation and/or be for a government agency which wouldn't necessarily need FCC approval. That or whoever proposes that theory has to include SpaceX comitting an illegal action that could entail the removal of their rights to operate the Starlink constellation. Not necessarily, SpaceX didn't file anything when they started flying v1.5, what can be flown under their existing Gen1 license is not clearly defined. Should be obvious that if they did fly Gen2 prototype, it'll still be using the same spectrum as Gen1, this would eliminate most of the concerns from FCC. The altitude and inclination of USA 320 is pretty close to one of the Gen1 orbits as well (97.5 degrees vs 97.6 degrees, 540km vs 560km)Or they could sidestep FCC by asking their DoD customer such as SDA to classify the launch as part of the DoD program. For example it's quite possible that they're using Starlink v2 bus for their SDA missile warning satellites, so they could ask SDA to authorize a test launch or two of this bus as part of the SDA constellation program. This way SDA gets the peace of mind that their missile warning satellite would actually work once launched, and SpaceX gets to test Starlink v2 bus early, win-win.SpaceX did file an updated constellation planning to add v1.5 satellites and needed special permission to launch the laser link satellites on Transporter-1 for the polar shells.
The Space Development Agency awarded $193.5 million to L3Harris and $149 million to SpaceX to build four satellites each to detect and track ballistic and hypersonic missiles.
They aren't the SDA satellites, those will launch later.
But it's a awful big coincidence here don't you think?