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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #80 on: 07/27/2022 01:42 am »
If they add one more level to their payload dispenser they could launch 44 sats on each of the five remaining flights (both F9 and GSLV)

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #81 on: 07/27/2022 03:22 am »
If they add one more level to their payload dispenser they could launch 44 sats on each of the five remaining flights (both F9 and GSLV)

Interesting: 648 planned, 428 operational per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneWeb_satellite_constellation leaves 220 to launch. 5*44=220

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #82 on: 07/27/2022 04:56 pm »
So how many satellites would be on each of the two GSLV launches?

From the GSLV-Mk III launch thread:
TOI In a first, GSLV-Mk3 to be used for commercial launch, April 26
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The source, while pointing out that a GSLV-Mk3 can put into orbit many more OneWeb-class of satellites (roughly around 30) in one launch compared to the PSLV (roughly around 6-7), said: “...But the exact number of OneWeb satellites the first Mk-3 mission will carry will be firmed up at a later stage.”
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #83 on: 09/11/2022 06:14 pm »
Is there a official statement that OneWeb booked 3 full Falcon 9 launches? Maybe only 2 and a half? 
2 launches with up to 64 satellites and one launch with up to 32 satellites.
thoughts:
Arianespace/RUAG ( "Beyond Gravity"::) ) supplies the dispensers.
There is a large one for max. 32 satellites and a small attachment for max. 4 satellites.
Two stacked dispensers can accommodate max. 64 satellites. This results in ~10.5 t.
Could the Falcon 9 lift that at Cape Canaveral to ~450 km, 87.4 deg?
The 3rd launch with only one dispenser and max. 32 OneWeb satellites could also carry 5 Iridium satellites with dispenser. all in all ~10 t
The inclination of OneWeb and Iridium is almost the same.
max. 160 OneWeb satellites are possible, 4 x Soyuz = 144, so you could omit a few, if the payload mass is too high
« Last Edit: 09/11/2022 06:58 pm by GWR64 »

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #84 on: 09/11/2022 07:19 pm »
Is there a official statement that OneWeb booked 3 full Falcon 9 launches? Maybe only 2 and a half? 
2 launches with up to 64 satellites and one launch with up to 32 satellites.
thoughts:
Arianespace/RUAG ( "Beyond Gravity"::) ) supplies the dispensers.
There is a large one for max. 32 satellites and a small attachment for max. 4 satellites.
Two stacked dispensers can accommodate max. 64 satellites. This results in ~10.5 t.
Could the Falcon 9 lift that at Cape Canaveral to ~450 km, 87.4 deg?
The 3rd launch with only one dispenser and max. 32 OneWeb satellites could also carry 5 Iridium satellites with dispenser. all in all ~10 t
The inclination of OneWeb and Iridium is almost the same.
max. 160 OneWeb satellites are possible, 4 x Soyuz = 144, so you could omit a few, if the payload mass is too high

One issue with this is that the 3 SpaceX-OneWeb launches are expected to be completed by March 2023, which doesn't fit with the Iridium timeline.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1551816021161517057

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #85 on: 09/11/2022 07:37 pm »
Is there a official statement that OneWeb booked 3 full Falcon 9 launches? Maybe only 2 and a half? 
2 launches with up to 64 satellites and one launch with up to 32 satellites.
thoughts:
Arianespace/RUAG ( "Beyond Gravity"::) ) supplies the dispensers.
There is a large one for max. 32 satellites and a small attachment for max. 4 satellites.
Two stacked dispensers can accommodate max. 64 satellites. This results in ~10.5 t.
Could the Falcon 9 lift that at Cape Canaveral to ~450 km, 87.4 deg?
The 3rd launch with only one dispenser and max. 32 OneWeb satellites could also carry 5 Iridium satellites with dispenser. all in all ~10 t
The inclination of OneWeb and Iridium is almost the same.
max. 160 OneWeb satellites are possible, 4 x Soyuz = 144, so you could omit a few, if the payload mass is too high

One issue with this is that the 3 SpaceX-OneWeb launches are expected to be completed by March 2023, which doesn't fit with the Iridium timeline.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1551816021161517057

Were just thoughts. However, September doesn't fit anymore either.
It could also be that the Falcon-9 fairing is not high enough for 2 dispensers, so that the top row cannot be used.

Without the top row, 56 + 56 + 32 = 144 satellites would be possible. (the dispenser with the 5 Iridium satellites on the 3rd launch is not that high, I think)
« Last Edit: 09/11/2022 08:38 pm by GWR64 »

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #86 on: 09/12/2022 03:06 am »
The OneWeb flights are out of the Cape if I remember correctly while Iridium-9 is out of Vandy.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #87 on: 09/12/2022 04:44 pm »
The OneWeb flights are out of the Cape if I remember correctly while Iridium-9 is out of Vandy.

I already looked for the source of the OneWeb launch site yesterday and couldn't find it.
Do you have a source?
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #88 on: 09/12/2022 05:01 pm »
The OneWeb flights are out of the Cape if I remember correctly while Iridium-9 is out of Vandy.

I already looked for the source of the OneWeb launch site yesterday and couldn't find it.
Do you have a source?

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=56056.msg2354995#msg2354995

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #89 on: 09/12/2022 05:35 pm »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #90 on: 09/13/2022 03:25 pm »
OneWeb and Arianespace signed an agreement following the suspension of the launches
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Arianespace is supporting OneWeb on its upcoming launches; including the performance of Dispenser Supply Services for two launches to be performed by NewSpace India Limited, part of Indian national space agency ISRO.

That's an interesting statement.  Different dispensers for the SpaceX launches?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #91 on: 09/13/2022 03:33 pm »
OneWeb and Arianespace signed an agreement following the suspension of the launches
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Arianespace is supporting OneWeb on its upcoming launches; including the performance of Dispenser Supply Services for two launches to be performed by NewSpace India Limited, part of Indian national space agency ISRO.

That's an interesting statement.  Different dispensers for the SpaceX launches?

Possibly by the old contractor, RUAG Space/Beyond Gravity? https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/beyond-gravity-scales-up-for-satellite-launchers/
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F1 : December 2022
« Reply #92 on: 09/13/2022 03:39 pm »
OneWeb and Arianespace signed an agreement following the suspension of the launches
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Arianespace is supporting OneWeb on its upcoming launches; including the performance of Dispenser Supply Services for two launches to be performed by NewSpace India Limited, part of Indian national space agency ISRO.

That's an interesting statement.  Different dispensers for the SpaceX launches?
My impression is that OneWeb has a generic and easily-customizable dispenser design. The design gets customized for each LV to match the LV physical and electrical interfaces and the fairing length or total payload mass, whichever is most constraining for that LV.

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SFN Launch Schedule, updated November 2:
Oneweb [Flight] 15
Late November/Early December
Launch time of day TBD
LC-39A
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A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch 40 satellites into orbit for OneWeb, which is developing and deploying a constellation of hundreds of satellites in low Earth orbit for low-latency broadband communications. This will the first launch of OneWeb satellites with SpaceX. The Falcon 9’s first stage booster will return to Landing Zone 1 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station. [Nov. 2]



Cross-post:
I note LC-39A may be available after SpX-26, currently scheduled for launch on November 18, and January 2023.

Unless there is Starship construction work?

Edit to add:
Nov 1                               FH  USSF-44
Nov 18                             F9  SpX-26
<nothing scheduled; Starlink(s)?>
NET Dec 27 NET Jan 4  FH  ViaSat-3 Americas
Jan 10                              F9  SpX-27
Jan (or Dec 2022?)        FH  USSF-67
Feb                                    F9  Crew-6

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Isn't this a polar launch? I thought those were only possible from SLC-40 and SLC-4E.

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Isn't this a polar launch? I thought those were only possible from SLC-40 and SLC-4E.
Launch from LC-39A at the southernmost azimuth permitted;
first stage RTLS to LZ-1, while also avoiding Florida land overflight up or down;
dogleg the trajectory during first and/or second stage burns to hug the southeastern Florida coast to the azimuth necessary for the OneWeb initial orbit?

RTLS has been chosen, so the performance required for such a flightpath is possible?
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Isn't this a polar launch? I thought those were only possible from SLC-40 and SLC-4E.
Launch from LC-39A at the southernmost azimuth permitted;
first stage RTLS to LZ-1, while also avoiding Florida land overflight up or down;
dogleg the trajectory during first and/or second stage burns to hug the southeastern Florida coast to the azimuth necessary for the OneWeb initial orbit?

RTLS has been chosen, so the performance required for such a flightpath is possible?

So you're saying polar launch from LC-39A is possible, but is less efficient than the same launch from SLC-40?

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SFN Launch Schedule, updated November 2:
Oneweb [Flight] 15
Late November/Early December
Launch time of day TBD
LC-39A
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A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch 40 satellites into orbit for OneWeb, which is developing and deploying a constellation of hundreds of satellites in low Earth orbit for low-latency broadband communications. This will the first launch of OneWeb satellites with SpaceX. The Falcon 9’s first stage booster will return to Landing Zone 1 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station. [Nov. 2]

Will be the first commercial (non-Starlink, non-NASA, non-government) launch from LC-39A since Arabsat 6A in 2019, and the first on Falcon 9 since Es-hail 2 in 2018.
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Isn't this a polar launch? I thought those were only possible from SLC-40 and SLC-4E.
Launch from LC-39A at the southernmost azimuth permitted;
first stage RTLS to LZ-1, while also avoiding Florida land overflight up or down;
dogleg the trajectory during first and/or second stage burns to hug the southeastern Florida coast to the azimuth necessary for the OneWeb initial orbit?

RTLS has been chosen, so the performance required for such a flightpath is possible?

So you're saying polar launch from LC-39A is possible, but is less efficient than the same launch from SLC-40?

40 satellites will be launched, and a single satellite weighs 147kg. That makes a total payload mass of 5880kg. Should be easily doable from LC-39A with RTLS, even if it might be a little less efficient then a launch from SLC-40.
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Isn't this a polar launch? I thought those were only possible from SLC-40 and SLC-4E.
Launch from LC-39A at the southernmost azimuth permitted;
first stage RTLS to LZ-1, while also avoiding Florida land overflight up or down;
dogleg the trajectory during first and/or second stage burns to hug the southeastern Florida coast to the azimuth necessary for the OneWeb initial orbit?

RTLS has been chosen, so the performance required for such a flightpath is possible?

So you're saying polar launch from LC-39A is possible, but is less efficient than the same launch from SLC-40?
My statement is a question.  But, yes, given the evidence at hand, that is my assertion, and I seek confirmation, or correction.
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