Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb F15 (40x) : KSC LC-39A : 8 December 2022 (22:27 UTC)  (Read 82964 times)

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Discussion thread for first OneWeb flight on SpaceX.

Successful launch December 8, 2022, 22:57 UTC (5:27 pm EST), from KSC LC-39A. 

40 satellites.

OneWeb Constellation Thread (has links to OneWeb launch threads)



Per:

https://twitter.com/OneWeb/status/1505892782224904196?t=EF5ICM0TLEis5k8rFEROVw&s=19

OneWeb to be launching on Falcon 9 by later this year.

NSF General OneWeb Thread:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37814.0
« Last Edit: 01/11/2023 10:37 pm by gongora »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #2 on: 03/21/2022 12:52 pm »
https://oneweb.net/resources/oneweb-resume-satellite-launches-through-agreement-spacex

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OneWeb to resume satellite launches through agreement with SpaceX

Agreement will enable OneWeb to resume its launch programme and complete satellite constellation for industry-grade secure connectivity around the world.

London, U.K., 21 March, 2022 – OneWeb, the low Earth orbit (LEO) satellite communications company, announced today that the company and SpaceX entered into an agreement that will enable OneWeb to resume satellite launches.

The first launch with SpaceX is anticipated in 2022 and will add to OneWeb’s total in-orbit constellation that currently stands at 428 satellites, or 66 percent of the fleet. OneWeb's network will deliver high-speed, low-latency global connectivity.

OneWeb CEO Neil Masterson said: “We thank SpaceX for their support, which reflects our shared vision for the boundless potential of space. With these launch plans in place, we’re on track to finish building out our full fleet of satellites and deliver robust, fast, secure connectivity around the globe.”

Demand for OneWeb’s broadband connectivity services has continued to grow across telecommunications providers, aviation and maritime markets, and governments worldwide. OneWeb has activated service with its network at the 50th parallel and above, and early partners are initiating service.

Terms of the agreement with SpaceX are confidential.
« Last Edit: 03/21/2022 12:52 pm by jpo234 »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #3 on: 03/21/2022 01:02 pm »
I'm sure there is some interesting clauses in this contract such as, "OneWeb will not seek to inhibit any approvals, deployments, or operations of SpaceX's Starlink system".  I really didn't see OneWeb working with SpaceX after everything they have done to interfere with Starlink over the last several years.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #4 on: 03/21/2022 01:04 pm »
I get it but at the same time I'm left scratching my head.  If SpaceX told them, "LOL" then they/Starlink could be accused (rightly or not) of being a monopoly.  But by helping them how does it affect Starlink's bottom line?

The sad part of this is that nobody other than SpaceX appears to be in a position to capitalize on this new windfall.  It also is yet another feather in the cap of SpaceX with them demonstrating their ability to flex.

They should offer to carry Starliner too.  ;D
« Last Edit: 03/21/2022 01:06 pm by sferrin »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #5 on: 03/21/2022 01:07 pm »
I'm sure there is some interesting clauses in this contract such as, "OneWeb will not seek to inhibit any approvals, deployments, or operations of SpaceX's Starlink system".  I really didn't see OneWeb working with SpaceX after everything they have done to interfere with Starlink over the last several years.

A paid launch is a paid launch.  I can see several side benefits, revenue for SpaceX, public opinion of SpaceX launching a competitor will help fend off future Anti-Trust claims and finally, stripping away launches from Russia which Elon has long had beef with.

I love this news, congrats to SpaceX and OneWeb.  Anything that takes business away from Russia at this point is music to my ears.

Without western funds I think Russia will struggle to even fly Soyuz and Progress flights in a few years.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #6 on: 03/21/2022 01:12 pm »
It will be interesting to see when the first OneWeb launch will occur on a Falcon 9 as well as the number of satellites on that flight.

With 36 satellites it might be possible to do a RTLS mission.

I also suspect OneWeb might need to build replacements for those satellites in Russia.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #7 on: 03/21/2022 01:20 pm »
Were the cancelled OneWeb Russian launches of the type marketed/contracted through Arianespace/Starsem or were they simply directly purchased from Russia by OneWeb?


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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #8 on: 03/21/2022 01:23 pm »
Were the cancelled OneWeb Russian launches of the type marketed/contracted through Arianespace/Starsem or were they simply directly purchased from Russia by OneWeb?

I remember a statement from OneWeb claiming that "ArianeSpace owes them a number of launches". I wonder how ArianeSpace is involved in the deal with SpaceX?

It's possible that this is a direct deal between OneWeb and SpaceX and that ArianeSpace will keep owing them a bunch of launches, presumably with Ariane 6.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #9 on: 03/21/2022 01:31 pm »
I'm sure there is some interesting clauses in this contract such as, "OneWeb will not seek to inhibit any approvals, deployments, or operations of SpaceX's Starlink system".  I really didn't see OneWeb working with SpaceX after everything they have done to interfere with Starlink over the last several years.
Are you expecting the same from SES, ViaSat et all?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #10 on: 03/21/2022 01:32 pm »
It will be interesting to see when the first OneWeb launch will occur on a Falcon 9 as well as the number of satellites on that flight.

With 36 satellites it might be possible to do a RTLS mission.

I also suspect OneWeb might need to build replacements for those satellites in Russia.

I have often wondered the trade off point for SpaceX on a RTLS versus ASDS.  The quicker turnaround time of the booster and the expense of running the SpaceX Navy must be worth several million at least.

The RTLS flights are so much more exciting, for some reason, maybe the ground tracking cameras.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #11 on: 03/21/2022 01:36 pm »
Were the cancelled OneWeb Russian launches of the type marketed/contracted through Arianespace/Starsem or were they simply directly purchased from Russia by OneWeb?

I remember a statement from OneWeb claiming that "ArianeSpace owes them a number of launches". I wonder how ArianeSpace is involved in the deal with SpaceX?

It's possible that this is a direct deal between OneWeb and SpaceX and that ArianeSpace will keep owing them a bunch of launches, presumably with Ariane 6.
There is no way ArianeSpace brokers launch(es) on Falcon 9, and that opinion is underscored by the fact that there is no mention of ArianeSpace here at all.  This is clearly a direct deal between OneWeb and SpaceX.

Any contract dispute for any monies already allocated for launches brokered by ArianeSpace will be presumably negotiated or settled in a court of law.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #12 on: 03/21/2022 01:46 pm »
Impressively short lead time, relative to launches of only a couple of years ago. Agreement to (scheduled) flight in less than a year.

I'm sure someone has kept stats on that :)
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #14 on: 03/21/2022 01:49 pm »
Yeah, "Later this year" is not the same as "Late this year".  Will be interesting to see how soon it can happen.  I imagine that depends on a) how much modification and/or certification OneWeb's Soyuz dispenser requires to be qualified for a Falcon 9 and b) schedule availability.  And I guess c) do they extend the dispenser to take advantage of the greater capacity of F9 versus Soyuz and add additional satellites?  I would guess "probably not", but it could save them a lot of money and time, assuming orbital mechanics and satellites/plane cooperate.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #15 on: 03/21/2022 01:54 pm »
Impressively short lead time, relative to launches of only a couple of years ago. Agreement to (scheduled) flight in less than a year.

I'm sure someone has kept stats on that :)
Especially since a new launcher generally requires that OneWeb designs and manufactures a new dispenser, which is basically a spacecraft itself. True, they start from a generic dispenser design that has already been used to develop the earlier dispensers, But it's still an entire development cycle, and it's nine months, not 12 months, to the end of the year for a launch in 2022. It would not surprise me to learn that OneWeb has quietly been working on an F9 dispenser "just in case" for awhile.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : Late 2022
« Reply #16 on: 03/21/2022 01:54 pm »
Yeah, "Later this year" is not the same as "Late this year".  Will be interesting to see how soon it can happen.  I imagine that depends on a) how much modification and/or certification OneWeb's Soyuz dispenser requires to be qualified for a Falcon 9 and b) schedule availability.  And I guess c) do they extend the dispenser to take advantage of the greater capacity of F9 versus Soyuz and add additional satellites?  I would guess "probably not", but it could save them a lot of money and time, assuming orbital mechanics and satellites/plane cooperate.


I don't have any data BUT maybe, and i stress MAYBE, launching fewer satellites than the full F9 capability (excluding the orbital planes requirements ecc, just a rough weight calculations) could lead to RTLS launches, and advantage for costs, less turnaround time for Boosters and no marine assets.


I repeat: don't know anything about mission requirements.


But i think that RTLS would be a good choice for both players, considering that will allow SpaceX to launch for OneWeb more often and in less time...
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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : NET Summer 2022
« Reply #17 on: 03/21/2022 03:22 pm »
What is One Web's launch inclination? (Added) Found the inclination 87 degrees. This is definitely best served by VSFB.

This determines which launch site. If it is an inclination that is best served by VSFB. An RTLS mission type with an adapted Soyuz dispenser. Which is very possible in a period of 6 months or less from now. Such that RTLS launches out of VSFB they could easily double the launches per month without much affect to the existing launch plans.

All of this is such that it would be possible for One Web to do ~4 to 5 launches with SpaceX if they are using VSFB and RTLS.
« Last Edit: 03/21/2022 04:08 pm by oldAtlas_Eguy »

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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : NET Summer 2022
« Reply #18 on: 03/21/2022 04:11 pm »
For SpaceX this vital extra revenue because they are bleeding money between Starlink build out and SS development. For Elon its a great way to stick it to Rogozin.


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Re: SpaceX F9 : OneWeb : NET Summer 2022
« Reply #19 on: 03/21/2022 04:13 pm »
What is One Web's launch inclination? (Added) Found the inclination 87 degrees. This is definitely best served by VSFB.

This determines which launch site. If it is an inclination that is best served by VSFB. An RTLS mission type with an adapted Soyuz dispenser. Which is very possible in a period of 6 months or less from now. Such that RTLS launches out of VSFB they could easily double the launches per month without much affect to the existing launch plans.

All of this is such that it would be possible for One Web to do ~4 to 5 launches with SpaceX if they are using VSFB and RTLS.

OneWeb's launch inclination is 86.4 degrees.  I believe they have to go out of Vandenberg.  There are at least four launches on SpaceX's manifest for Vandenberg this year already.

Edit: But I was wrong.  SpaceX did a polar launch from the Eastern Range in August of 2020.
« Last Edit: 03/21/2022 04:17 pm by mandrewa »

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