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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : Florida : July 2022
« Reply #20 on: 04/02/2022 12:34 pm »
Significant delays are obviously feared at the construction of the NG satellites SES-18 and SES-19.
That should be the reason for the launch of SES-22, originally intended as a ground spare.
Because probably no AN-124 is available, SES and TAS are working on a transport at sea for SES-22.

https://communicationsdaily.com/news/2022/04/04/Intelsat-SES-Have-CBand-Satellite-Delays-From-Pandemic-2204010052

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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : Florida : July 2022
« Reply #21 on: 04/02/2022 05:05 pm »
Significant delays are obviously feared at the construction of the NG satellites SES-18 and SES-19.
That should be the reason for the launch of SES-22, originally intended as a ground spare.
Because probably no AN-124 is available, SES and TAS are working on a transport at sea for SES-22.

https://communicationsdaily.com/news/2022/04/04/Intelsat-SES-Have-CBand-Satellite-Delays-From-Pandemic-2204010052

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I'm surprised that Airbus' Beluga and Beluga XL are not a pretty valid replacement for An-124 for the space industry.

Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : Florida : July 2022
« Reply #22 on: 04/03/2022 03:03 am »
Significant delays are obviously feared at the construction of the NG satellites SES-18 and SES-19.
That should be the reason for the launch of SES-22, originally intended as a ground spare.
Because probably no AN-124 is available, SES and TAS are working on a transport at sea for SES-22.

https://communicationsdaily.com/news/2022/04/04/Intelsat-SES-Have-CBand-Satellite-Delays-From-Pandemic-2204010052

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I'm surprised that Airbus' Beluga and Beluga XL are not a pretty valid replacement for An-124 for the space industry.

This may be wrong, but it is my understanding that neither of their cargo holds are pressurized.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : Florida : July 2022
« Reply #23 on: 04/03/2022 04:05 pm »
Significant delays are obviously feared at the construction of the NG satellites SES-18 and SES-19.
That should be the reason for the launch of SES-22, originally intended as a ground spare.
Because probably no AN-124 is available, SES and TAS are working on a transport at sea for SES-22.

https://communicationsdaily.com/news/2022/04/04/Intelsat-SES-Have-CBand-Satellite-Delays-From-Pandemic-2204010052

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I'm surprised that Airbus' Beluga and Beluga XL are not a pretty valid replacement for An-124 for the space industry.

This may be wrong, but it is my understanding that neither of their cargo holds are pressurized.

I'm surprised that the An-124 cargo is pressurized. I had read it wasn't.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : Florida : July 2022
« Reply #24 on: 04/04/2022 07:31 am »
Significant delays are obviously feared at the construction of the NG satellites SES-18 and SES-19.
That should be the reason for the launch of SES-22, originally intended as a ground spare.
Because probably no AN-124 is available, SES and TAS are working on a transport at sea for SES-22.

https://communicationsdaily.com/news/2022/04/04/Intelsat-SES-Have-CBand-Satellite-Delays-From-Pandemic-2204010052

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I'm surprised that Airbus' Beluga and Beluga XL are not a pretty valid replacement for An-124 for the space industry.

This may be wrong, but it is my understanding that neither of their cargo holds are pressurized.

I'm surprised that the An-124 cargo is pressurized. I had read it wasn't.
The pressurized cargo hold is part of the An-124 Condor's military air transport heritage. One of the task was moving armored fighting vehicles with crew. Also with all heavy military air transport aircraft and their variants with civilian operators.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : Florida : July 2022
« Reply #25 on: 04/04/2022 07:42 am »
Significant delays are obviously feared at the construction of the NG satellites SES-18 and SES-19.
That should be the reason for the launch of SES-22, originally intended as a ground spare.
Because probably no AN-124 is available, SES and TAS are working on a transport at sea for SES-22.

https://communicationsdaily.com/news/2022/04/04/Intelsat-SES-Have-CBand-Satellite-Delays-From-Pandemic-2204010052

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I'm surprised that Airbus' Beluga and Beluga XL are not a pretty valid replacement for An-124 for the space industry.

This may be wrong, but it is my understanding that neither of their cargo holds are pressurized.

I'm surprised that the An-124 cargo is pressurized. I had read it wasn't.
The pressurized cargo hold is part of the An-124 Condor's military air transport heritage. One of the task was moving armored fighting vehicles with crew. Also with all heavy military air transport aircraft and their variants with civilian operators.


The cargo hold is pressurized, but at a lower level of pressure than the forward cockpit/crew area and the aft passenger area (both on the upper deck). In one of the YT AN-124 videos, you can see them closing the hatch that gives access from the cockpit to the hold.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : Florida : July 2022
« Reply #26 on: 04/04/2022 06:50 pm »
Significant delays are obviously feared at the construction of the NG satellites SES-18 and SES-19.
That should be the reason for the launch of SES-22, originally intended as a ground spare.
Because probably no AN-124 is available, SES and TAS are working on a transport at sea for SES-22.

https://communicationsdaily.com/news/2022/04/04/Intelsat-SES-Have-CBand-Satellite-Delays-From-Pandemic-2204010052

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I'm surprised that Airbus' Beluga and Beluga XL are not a pretty valid replacement for An-124 for the space industry.

This may be wrong, but it is my understanding that neither of their cargo holds are pressurized.

I'm surprised that the An-124 cargo is pressurized. I had read it wasn't.
The pressurized cargo hold is part of the An-124 Condor's military air transport heritage. One of the task was moving armored fighting vehicles with crew. Also with all heavy military air transport aircraft and their variants with civilian operators.


The cargo hold is pressurized, but at a lower level of pressure than the forward cockpit/crew area and the aft passenger area (both on the upper deck). In one of the YT AN-124 videos, you can see them closing the hatch that gives access from the cockpit to the hold.

I've read that it is pressurized at 24.6 kPa (3.57 psi), while ambient at 30,000ft is 29.65 kPa (4.3psi). So, basically not pressurized.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : Florida : June 2022
« Reply #27 on: 04/07/2022 03:46 pm »
[Space News] Antonov shortage threatens delivery delays for the biggest satellites [Apr 7]
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SES told SpaceNews it now plans to use a boat instead of an Antonov to transport its SES-22 C-band satellite from Europe to the U.S., where it is slated to launch from Florida on a SpaceX Falcon 9.

Although traveling via the ocean will take weeks longer, SES spokesperson Suzanne Ong said the satellite remains on track to launch before the end of June.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : Florida : H2 2022
« Reply #28 on: 04/15/2022 08:01 pm »
Cross-post:
https://www.ses.com/our-coverage/launches
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SES-22
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : CCSFS SLC-40 : June/July 2022
« Reply #29 on: 04/20/2022 08:34 pm »
SFN Launch Schedule update, April 20 (one of many):
SES-22 launches from CCSFS SLC-40 in June/July 2022.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : CCSFS SLC-40 : June 2022
« Reply #30 on: 05/06/2022 11:50 am »
The launch of SES-22 is still scheduled for Q2 2022.
https://www.ses.com/sites/default/files/2022-05/SES%20Q1%202022%20Results.pdf



SES-22 NLT mid June, or else its launch with ASDS landing would have to wait until after the dual-ASDS launch of USSF-44?
Another thought springing from Nilesat 301 being the 1049.11 expendable launch, from SLC-40:

This may launch in late June, after Starlink 4-19 (NET June 10, likely from SLC-40), and perhaps SES-22 (June, also from SLC-40).

(Starlink 4-19 will be a "usual" Starlink northeastern trajectory launch with first stage ASDS landing.  SES-22 would launch due east, with ASDS first stage landing.)

If so, then after the Nilesat-301 launch, there is no need to hurry an ASDS with landed first stage back to Port Canaveral, to make a turnaround to catch one of the side boosters for USSF-44, also in late June, from LC-39A.

The two launch campaigns can proceed simultaneously, if necessary.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : CCSFS SLC-40 : June 2022
« Reply #31 on: 05/12/2022 05:31 pm »
SES-22 Media Gallery

SES-22 was loaded onto the CELTIC in Fos sur Mer. Nilesat 301 should also be on board.
The CELTIC is expected in Cape Canaveral around May 14th.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : CCSFS SLC-40 : June 2022
« Reply #33 on: 05/13/2022 10:04 pm »
I wonder if the 2 geocomsats will launch back-to-back from SLC-40?

Partial cross-post:
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If I remember correctly, foreign manufactured or owned satellites launch from SLC-40 because the ITAR accommodations are easier at the Space Force Station than at the adjacent NASA center.

Nilesat-301 is now launching (NET) June 7 (the same date as SpX-25 from LC-39A).

SES-22 arrives on the same cargo ship as Nilesat-301, circa May 14.  SES-22 should be ready to launch at virtually the same time as its ocean travel companion.

I predict that, without any difficulties between now and early June, that the SES-22 launch will immediately follow Nilesat-301 at SLC-40, in mid June, as soon as the pad can be turned around.

There is no need to wait for an ASDS to be free, as only one will be used earlier in June, for SpX-25Nilesat-301 is an expendable launch.
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Edit May 26: Apparently, yes, they will.



No booster assignment yet for SES-22-- which one might it be?  Will SES pay for a Static Fire?

Rotating forward the boosters by oldest available after previous recovery, but not already assigned, gives us: 1051.13 (March 19), 1060.13 (April 21), 1062.7 (April 29), and 1058.13 (May 6).
Edit May 26: Also, 1073.2 (May 14), 1052.6 (May 18), and perhaps 1061.9 (May 25).

Edit May 20:
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Starlink Group 4-19 looking like mid June (I'd bet on LC-39A for that one) and using B1060-13
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And then in July and sort of in this order:
<snip>
Starlink Group 4-21 from Florida (I'd say pad 40 is likely) using B1058-13
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Starlink Group 4-25 from Florida (betting all my money on pad 40 for this one) using B1051-13

1062.7 may be held back for SES-22, to give an "external" customer a lower-reuse booster.

Edit May 26:
Quote from: Alexphysics tweet
So remember that thing about B1049-11 being expended for Nilesat 301? Well, that has changed. This booster surely likes to change missions. Nilesat 301 is now launching on B1062-7 which previously flew on Starlink Group 4-16 in late April.
What about another lower-reuse booster: 1073.2?

Edit early June: A previously unknown F9 launch in June has appeared, requiring ASDS first stage recovery.  On June 6, we learned that the primary payload is a government satellite or satellites.  On June 7, we learned that a Globalstar-2 satellite would be a rideshare.

My guess is that 1073.2 will serve the above-mentioned launch.  I therefore also deduce 1052.6 will launch SES-22.

If repairs from the previous December 21 landing have been completed, then 1069.2 is available.

Edit May 20:
Oh I forgot... B1069-2 is flying on Starlink Group 4-26. NET August from Florida.

Static Fire for the above, if SES chooses against paying for it?  My predictions.

No: 1051.13, 1052.6, 1058.13, 1060.13, 1061.9, 1062.7, 1073.2

Yes: 1069.2 (first launch after extensive repairs)

Edit May 20: 1062.7?
Edit May 26: 1073.2?
Edit early June: 1052.6?

No Static Fire means the booster is first and only transported to the pad, with payload stacked, a day or less before liftoff.

Edit June 15: It's 1073.2 for this launch.

Edit June 29: 1073.2 transported to and erected at pad today, the launch day.  No Static Fire.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : CCSFS SLC-40 : June 2022
« Reply #34 on: 05/14/2022 05:37 pm »
Do. Not. Drop.

SES-22 and Nilesat 301 being unloaded at Port Canaveral today, ahead of launch later this year atop a Falcon 9.

https://twitter.com/SpaceOffshore/status/1525523866168213504

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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : CCSFS SLC-40 : late June 2022
« Reply #35 on: 05/17/2022 04:12 pm »
SFN, Geostationary comsats delivered to Florida for SpaceX launches in June, dated May 16
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Nilesat 301 is scheduled for liftoff June 10 from pad 40 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, and SES 22 is set for launch in late June.
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The launch schedule for SES 22 was not impacted by the change in transport plans, according to a spokesperson for SES, the Luxembourg company that owns the satellite.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : CCSFS SLC-40 : late June 2022
« Reply #36 on: 05/26/2022 10:23 am »
launch SES-22 NET June 28
SES-STA-INTR2022-01687

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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 June 2022
« Reply #37 on: 06/02/2022 12:32 pm »
Launch photography
http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html (May 27th version)

has it as 27th or 28th June. Seems surprising given that STA request above?
link above no longer working - is this indication it was replaced?
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 June 2022
« Reply #38 on: 06/02/2022 04:16 pm »
Cross-post (my opinion):
The launch time-of-day of SES-22 could fall in the time period of June 27 8:00 pm to 11:59 pm EDT = June 28 00:00 to 03:59 UTC.  That would make both June 27 or 28 the launch date, depending on the time zone referenced.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SES-22 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 June 2022
« Reply #39 on: 06/02/2022 04:29 pm »
link above no longer working - is this indication it was replaced?

The initial links for the "INTR" file numbers go away when the real file number is assigned.  New numbers for those filings:

SES-STA-20220524-00597
SES-STA-20220524-00598
SES-STA-20220601-00602

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