Antares and the Russian invasion of Ukraine

[JEF_300]

I feel it should be stated at this point that it's very likely that Russia has already occupied Yuzhmash.

[edkyle99]

I feel it should be stated at this point that it's very likely that Russia has already occupied Yuzhmash.

I doubt it.  Dnipro was probably 100 km from Russian forces.   There were air or missile attacks near Dnipro last night.  It may, probably will, happen, but I would be surprised if it has already happened.  It took Patton a week or so to go as far to relieve Bastogne.

 - Ed Kyle

[JEF_300]

I feel it should be stated at this point that it's very likely that Russia has already occupied Yuzhmash.

I doubt it.  Dnipro was probably 100 km from Russian forces.   There were air or missile attacks near Dnipro last night.  It may, probably will, happen, but I would be surprised if it has already happened.  It took Patton a week or so to go as far to relieve Bastogne.

 - Ed Kyle

For some reason I was under the impression that the HQ was in Dnipro, and the factory was further east. My bad.

[edkyle99]

I feel it should be stated at this point that it's very likely that Russia has already occupied Yuzhmash.

I doubt it.  Dnipro was probably 100 km from Russian forces.   There were air or missile attacks near Dnipro last night.  It may, probably will, happen, but I would be surprised if it has already happened.  It took Patton a week or so to go as far to relieve Bastogne.

 - Ed Kyle

For some reason I was under the impression that the HQ was in Dnipro, and the factory was further east. My bad.

The most immediate threat is probably to the port of Mykolaiv, from where the Antares stages are shipped.

 - Ed Kyle

[Kaputnik]

I haven't seen any other sources for this so hopefully not true. But possibly just a matter of time even if not.
[zubenelgenubi: false report]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JURISTnews/status/1496847074465357825

[JayWee]

Hm, I had hoped Russia wanted to re-integrate Ukrainan suppliers into their chain, so they'd have incentive to take it intact. But alas.

[russianhalo117]

Hm, I had hoped Russia wanted to re-integrate Ukrainan suppliers into their chain, so they'd have incentive to take it intact. But alas.

There is a disconnect regarding that between Roscosmos with the MoD, the Union State forces and the Kremlin.

Edit: the reports are fake news.

[Kaputnik]

Schrödinger's rocket factory...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Naelsia_19/status/1497230110948302866

[JayWee]

The fog of war...
Btw, move this into the general Antares thread please.

[russianhalo117]

Schrödinger's rocket factory...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Naelsia_19/status/1497230110948302866

Only some nearby warehouses and storage bunkers for military armaments were targeted. Rocket factories were untouched

[edkyle99]

By attacking Kherson where the Dnieper River flows into the Black Sea, Russian forces have presumably cut off river transportation, which would include any shipments from Dnirpo like Antares first stages.  The New York Times included a report this morning that the city had been captured which would mean the Russians have crossed the river.  Hate to say it, but if the report is true and if the Russians hold west of the river, strategically the war's over.

 - Ed Kyle

[Todd Martin]

There is something like 5,000 employees supporting this rocket factory in Ukraine which has been building Antares stages.  These talented people are now in harms way.  One way to support these people is to provide work visas in Europe and the U.S.  Northrop Grumman, if you are listening, please consider working with the U.S. State Department to offer work visas to as many of these employees as you can.

[Jim]

  Northrop Grumman, if you are listening, please consider working with the U.S. State Department to offer work visas to as many of these employees as you can.

They aren't going to produce them in the US.

[Kaputnik]

https://twitter.com/YuzhnoyeSDO/status/1497675978973220865?s=20&t=1sCFFQFDiqbzsjXCZMf_Og

Assuming this is indeed the official account, this is great news.

[Todd Martin]

They aren't going to produce them in the US.

Jim, that is intentionally misleading.

I did not ask NGIS to start making Antares stages in the United States, so don't put words in my mouth.  Northrop has over 5,245 job openings currently.  Bringing over as many of these Aerospace workers over as possible would be the right thing to do if they want to leave.  It would be humanitarian, without a doubt.  Further, it would deprive an adversary of conscripting these people to harm our National Security. 

[russianhalo117]

https://twitter.com/YuzhnoyeSDO/status/1497675978973220865?s=20&t=1sCFFQFDiqbzsjXCZMf_Og

Assuming this is indeed the official account, this is great news.

Their official social media account profiles are in the top right corner of their website and yes that is their official twitter account.

Their official websites for English are:
https://yuzhnoye.com/en/home/
https://yuzhmash.com/en/

[Jim]

I did not ask NGIS to start making Antares stages in the United States, so don't put words in my mouth.  Northrop has over 5,245 job openings currently.

Few for foreigners.

[edkyle99]

I did not ask NGIS to start making Antares stages in the United States, so don't put words in my mouth.  Northrop has over 5,245 job openings currently.

Few for foreigners.

Also, right now at least, only women and children are allowed to leave Ukraine.  But I agree with the idea of accepting refugees who can escape this invasion.  The problem is that Russian forces are on the verge of surrounding big swaths of the country.

 - Ed Kyle

[sanman]

Scott Manley's take:

[MaxTeranous]

I did not ask NGIS to start making Antares stages in the United States, so don't put words in my mouth.  Northrop has over 5,245 job openings currently.

Few for foreigners.

Wars change rules. Without foreigners the USA wouldn’t have a rocket industry