Author Topic: Vast, a Startup for "human habitation, first in LEO, and then beyond"  (Read 93759 times)

Offline VSECOTSPE

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https://spacenews.com/vast-acquires-launcher-to-support-space-station-development/

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Vast announced plans in September to develop large rotating space stations that would generate artificial gravity, but has disclosed few details about its plans. Haot, who as president will oversee work on those stations, said the company would release a “more concrete plan” in the near future. “There will be many stepping stones.”

McCaleb, a crypt-oh-currency billionaire, is self-funding Vast through its initial phases of development. “I want to keep it self-funded until we have a station in space and a clear path to revenue,” he said. “I don’t want to be in a situation where I am beholden to investors.” He has not announced how much he plans to invest, but said in the interview it would be on the order of hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Ultimately there's not much difference between a rocket fuselage and a habitat module pressure vessel. They're both lightweight thin-walled aerospace grade metal tanks, the main difference is safety factor.

Then of course there's Launcher's progress in propulsion, avionics, and systems integration. Much of this experience will feed directly into building Vast modules.

This seems to confirm my early "each module is a spaceship" Kremlinology. Not bad...  :D

« Last Edit: 02/23/2023 04:57 am by Twark_Main »

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A new article:

Meet the space billionaire who is interested in something other than rockets | Ars Technica

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Now it seems clear that McCaleb is genuinely interested in making a run at this. An early pioneer in blockchain technology, McCaleb created Mt. Gox, the first major Bitcoin exchange. He is estimated by Forbes to be worth $2.5 billion and has vowed to invest at least $300 million into Vast Space as it seeks to develop space stations.

And...

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By this, I mean he is willing to commit some of his fortune to the concept, whereas the other companies may have less ready money to devote to these ventures and will need to go and raise funds from other investors. Even Blue Origin, with Bezos' backing, is probably somewhat limited. Three sources have told Ars that while he is supportive of the company's Orbital Reef station project, Bezos would prefer most of the funding come from NASA or other potential customers.

Good to see someone specifically focused on space stations, and rotating artificial gravity ones at that. The big question will be whether he has enough funds to get to some sort of milestone that can be leveraged into a market for space stations. Fingers crossed that he can...  :D
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https://twitter.com/vast/status/1656238216943632385

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Announcing the Haven-1 and Vast-1 missions to low-Earth orbit. Launched by @SpaceX, Haven-1 is scheduled to be the world’s first commercial space station and will be visited by a crew of four aboard a Dragon spacecraft during Vast-1 → https://www.vastspace.com/updates/vast-announces-the-haven-1-and-vast-1-human-spaceflight-mission-launched-by-spacex-on-a-dragon-spacecraft

Mission thread for first SpaceX mission: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=58838.0

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https://www.vastspace.com/updates/vast-announces-the-haven-1-and-vast-1-human-spaceflight-mission-launched-by-spacex-on-a-dragon-spacecraft

HAVEN-1 FEATURES:

Compatible docking with the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft
Extend the on-orbit duration of commercial Dragon spacecraft human spaceflight missions for up to 30 days for four astronauts
Science, research, and in-space manufacturing opportunities - 1000 W of power, 24/7 communications, and up to 150 kg of pre-loaded cargo mass in Haven-1. Opportunities for lunar artificial gravity by spinning.
Fully independent space station providing life support functions and consumables for the full mission’s duration.
Privacy and control of your crew schedule
Large window dome for viewing and photography
Always-on internet via onboard Wi-Fi
Room to stretch and rest
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August 2025 is very… aggressive, but I suppose why not? It’s a very minimal space station, like early Salyut or Tiangong.
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Anyone know the diameter of the station?

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Anyone know the diameter of the station?
looks to fit inside a F9 fairing, so 4.5-5m diameter.
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Anyone know the diameter of the station?

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Have funding. SpaceX leadership support thanks to Hans and using Dragon for life support. 2025 doesn't sound to unrealistic.

This is more space camper than space station but it if gets job done who cares.

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Anybody getting a Dragon XL vibe here...

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Anybody getting a Dragon XL vibe here...
No. I’m getting a Salyut/Tianggong
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Anybody getting a Dragon XL vibe here...
No. I’m getting a Salyut/Tianggong

Getting a Cygnus vibe from the 3.7 meter diameter. Just exchange the current Cygnus service bus with an observatory segment and add a barrel segment.

Wonder if VAST will acquire some sort of space tug based on ESPA derived bus to boost up Haven-1 between Dragon visits.

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I missed this part. Seems significant to be the first (human-scale) test of significant (lunar) artificial spin gravity in space:
"Vast’s long-term goal is to develop a 100-meter-long multi-module spinning artificial gravity space station launched by SpaceX’s Starship transportation system. In support of this, Vast will explore conducting the world’s first spinning artificial gravity experiment on a commercial space station with Haven-1."
https://www.spacex.com/updates/ (May 10, 2023, and I've saved the page as it is right now on archive.org here: https://web.archive.org/web/20230511021552/https://www.spacex.com/updates/ )

Also, there's a video:


It seems SpaceX is pretty closely involved with this. Like it's 80% a Dragon mission.
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The Vast-1 crew selection process is underway and the crew will be announced at a future date. Once finalized, SpaceX will provide crew training on Falcon 9 and the Dragon spacecraft, emergency preparedness, spacesuit and spacecraft ingress and egress exercises, as well as partial and full mission simulations including docking and undocking for return to Earth.

Vast’s long-term goal is to develop a 100-meter-long multi-module spinning artificial gravity space station launched by SpaceX’s Starship transportation system. In support of this, Vast will explore conducting the world’s first spinning artificial gravity experiment on a commercial space station with Haven-1.

This new partnership between Vast and SpaceX will continue to create and accelerate greater accessibility to space and more opportunities for exploration on the road to making humanity multiplanetary.
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This is so ridiculously cool.

There's now 3 very serious* private space efforts using Dragon. There's Axiom (having the second flight in a week or two), Polaris (Inspiration 4 already occurred, Polaris Dawn will occur in the next few months, to be followed perhaps by a Hubble mission), and now Vast.

This is a pretty big vindication of commercial crew in the second sense.

*(meaning they've given SpaceX millions of dollars and are actively in training right now)
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I like this idea/proposal/project - it's focusing on the simplest way to get a small habitation module into orbit instead of something way more complex. Use the Dragon for life support and other systems and a smaller diameter station means it can launch on the current booster. You can always upgrade it later with it's own support and go from there. Only window in it looks like the Dragon cupola which again saves development time.

Would love to see this fly.


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DragonLab part deux...

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It doesn't look like anyone posted their broad roadmap?

https://www.vastspace.com/roadmap

2023-2025      At least six space tug missions
2025Haven 1
2028 Starship class module
2030's100 meter spinning stick stations
2040'sProliferated station fleet. Includes rotating wheel stations

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twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1656325665438978049

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It is really exciting to see this announcement.  The more commercial missions to space the better. It may not seem it in the moment, but the final frontier is slowly opening.  Congrats Vast & @SpaceX on the big announcement 🚀

https://twitter.com/vast/status/1656698285724401664

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Thank you @rookisaacman - your pioneering work with @inspiration4x and  the @PolarisProgram is a large part of our inspiration and drive to build Haven-1.  We look forward to Polaris Dawn.

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Is the Vast rotating station going to be assembled using Falcon 9 sized launches?  If so, this could keep Falcon 9 going for years. 

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