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SpaceX has an incredible track record with Falcon9. I can say from personal experience they are very transparent when issues arise. I have no doubt they will arrive at a cause quickly and ensure the most cost-effective and reliable launch vehicle keeps delivering payload to orbit. As for Polaris Dawn, we will fly whenever SpaceX is ready and with complete confidence in the rocket, spaceship and operations

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Thanks Jared. We will investigate the issue and look for any other potential near-misses.

We are tracking to do more Falcon flights this year than Shuttle did in 30 years, the vast majority of which are uncrewed.

A major advantage of this super high flight rate is that we can identify and resolve problems that may only occur once every 1000 flights. This is impossible on a low flight rate vehicle.

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There will be one EVA crew member out a time and we will not be free floating. We will be outside the hatch, so not a stand-up EVA, and we will maintain contact w/ mobility aids. The primary objective for the EVA is to learn about the suit performance (single hand and hands free operations, translation) as well as gathering data on thermal management and other ECLSS considerations.

So not free-floating but indeed all outside and doing tethered hand-over hand translation along mobility aids. Of course the umbilical will limit the distance to which this is feasible as will the geometry of the capsule. Via Ferrata in space.

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https://twitter.com/polarisprogram/status/1813598368150470984

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As our Polaris Dawn crew prepares to conduct the first commercial spacewalk, we had the unique opportunity to meet and discuss EVA spacesuit development and operations with Apollo 16 legend and moonwalker Charlie Duke. Thank you for taking the time to visit the Polaris and SpaceX teams in California!

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A load of new Polaris crew photos in their EVA spacesuits:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/194919627@N03/

Start of thread on X:

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1813929591914045772

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Jared Isaacman, Mission Commander, Polaris Dawn, spacesuit acceptance testing

A small selection of photos attached.

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https://twitter.com/polarisprogram/status/1813926194510786670

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JULY 18, 2024
Polaris Dawn crew completes final series of EVA spacesuit testing


The Polaris Dawn crew recently completed a series of spacesuit acceptance tests in preparation for the mission’s extravehicular activity, or spacewalk, marking the final significant developmental and test milestone for SpaceX’s newly-developed EVA spacesuit →

https://polarisprogram.com/polaris-dawn-crew-completes-final-series-of-eva-spacesuit-testing/

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The Polaris Dawn crew recently completed a series of spacesuit acceptance tests in preparation for the mission’s extravehicular activity, or spacewalk, marking the final significant developmental and test milestone for SpaceX’s newly-developed EVA spacesuit.

Completing the first commercial extravehicular activity in low-Earth orbit is an important first step towards a future where millions of humans are visiting, working, and living on the Moon, Mars, and other destinations in our solar system.

These tests marked the first time the Polaris Dawn crew wore the spacesuit in a vacuum environment, which allowed for:

Familiarization with how the spacesuit performs in a vacuum;
Collection of spacesuit and biometric data to assess the overall system’s performance in a flight-like environment;
Understanding of general impacts of pressure changes on their body during pressurized operations;
Insight into the various thermal states expected throughout the spacewalk; and
An elevated metabolic period for the crew to simulate the expected workload during the spacewalk, as well as a reduced-activity period to understand the trend of body temperatures throughout the operation

Polaris Dawn’s spacewalk will mark both the first-ever commercial spacewalk and the first time that four astronauts will be concurrently exposed to the vacuum of space. During the approximately two-hour-long operation, Mission Commander Jared Isaacman and Mission Specialist Sarah Gillis will separately exit the Dragon spacecraft through its forward hatch. Mission Pilot Kidd Poteet and Mission Specialist & Medical Officer Anna Menon will remain seated, managing spacesuit umbilicals and monitoring telemetry on Dragon’s interior displays.

This final spacesuit testing milestone took place at NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas, June 24-28, utilizing a historic chamber facility previously used to support testing of America’s earliest spacesuits and spacecraft during the Gemini and Apollo programs. Built in the mid-1960s, the facility was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1985 and remains in use today to support various space industry tests.
“It was a profound feeling for our crew to conduct operations in the same vacuum chambers that supported the Gemini and Apollo programs in the 1960s,” said Jared Isaacman.

“These facilities were declared national historic landmarks because of the history they made then, and still today they make history and advance humankind’s capabilities in space. We are very grateful to the teams at NASA and SpaceX who contributed to the development and safe testing of these spacesuits.”

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It has been a pleasure participating in the development of the @SpaceX EVA suit. The successful vacuum test was performed in a historic chamber at JSC that served the Gemini, Apollo & Shuttle programs. We are grateful for the hard work that has now certified these suits for Polaris Dawn. These suits, and their future evolutions, are going places 🚀

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If 10-4 is return to flight and latest 23rd date holds,
Then pad 39A might launch 10-9 ~24th.

Is there time to change pad for dragon launch in July?
Might they want more starlink launches before launching humans again?
Even if extra starlink launches are not necessary, I assume delay 10-9 so Polaris Dawn can launch July is unlikely.

Push to August seems likely one way or another.

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If 10-4 is return to flight and latest 23rd date holds,
Then pad 39A might launch 10-9 ~24th.

Is there time to change pad for dragon launch in July?
Might they want more starlink launches before launching humans again?
Even if extra starlink launches are not necessary, I assume delay 10-9 so Polaris Dawn can launch July is unlikely.

Push to August seems likely one way or another.
Noting also that a Crew Dragon launch campaign includes a launch rehearsal with the crew, and a separate Static Fire.

Agreed that Polaris Dawn is NET August.

Next question: Crew-9 launches from LC-39A in mid-August and would have priority over Polaris Dawn.

Will Polaris Dawn delay to follow Crew-9, launching NET end of August?
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If 10-4 is return to flight and latest 23rd date holds,
Then pad 39A might launch 10-9 ~24th.

Is there time to change pad for dragon launch in July?
Might they want more starlink launches before launching humans again?
Even if extra starlink launches are not necessary, I assume delay 10-9 so Polaris Dawn can launch July is unlikely.

Push to August seems likely one way or another.

How do you mean? July 31, as NET date was annouced on July 3 (see above), a week earlier than the accident. What is "10-4"?

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What is "10-4"?

It's a pun from somewhere up thread.  10-4 is slang for "message received" and also short for Starlink group 10-4 postulated to be the return to flight.


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How do you mean? July 31, as NET date was annouced on July 3 (see above), a week earlier than the accident. What is "10-4"?

I was just using 10-4 as short for Starlink group 10-4 launch but someone used the citizen band radio 10-4.

July 31, as NET date was announced on July 3 and this is not wrong.

However it is not as helpful as NET August if we know this to be true and NET 31 July might be considered slightly misleading indicating 31st might still be possible. So I am suggesting that it is best to correct this if we are sure. Zub noted that after 10-9 and the pad being changed for Dragon there has to be static fire and rehearsal and so he seems sure and has changed the thread title to NET Aug.

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https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1815084815156498442

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This may have been our last week @SpaceX for Polaris Dawn training. We reviewed research experiments, flew refresher launch/entry/EVA sims, completed cold testing and suit repair contingencies. We thanked everyone we could find, placed our mission patch on the simulator & signed it. It is always possible we could be back, but for now, we are ready.

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How do you mean? July 31, as NET date was annouced on July 3 (see above), a week earlier than the accident. What is "10-4"?

I was just using 10-4 as short for Starlink group 10-4 launch but someone used the citizen band radio 10-4.

July 31, as NET date was announced on July 3 and this is not wrong.

However it is not as helpful as NET August if we know this to be true and NET 31 July might be considered slightly misleading indicating 31st might still be possible. So I am suggesting that it is best to correct this if we are sure. Zub noted that after 10-9 and the pad being changed for Dragon there has to be static fire and rehearsal and so he seems sure and has changed the thread title to NET Aug.

Just going to chime in that using short hand that appears like universally accepted standards for date and time is extremely confusing.  And obviously to more people (in just this thread) than just myself.  It's like when people go too wild with abbreviations and acronyms... you dilute your message with confusion.  Not saying to never use them, but it should be a bit more apparent when you do.  This isn't an attack- it's simply a suggestion.

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No earlier than late summer 2024, SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket will launch the Polaris Dawn mission from Florida.

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No earlier than late summer 2024, SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket will launch the Polaris Dawn mission from Florida.

Is it safe to assume that this means after Crew-9, or do we know?

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Is it safe to assume that this means after Crew-9, or do we know?

I don’t think we know, but I think it is safe to assume. Crew-9 is meant to be in about 3 weeks and I’m sure SpaceX will want to hold to that as much as possible. Hopefully F9 RTF is tomorrow - weather permitting - so should be enough time to have multiple flights and for NASA to be happy investigation is closed out and fully addressed.

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Lots of questions in this Press conference about Polaris Dawn

Will be after Crew-9.  They are still hoping for late August

NASA's SpaceX Crew-9 Mission Overview News Conference


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It doesn't matter any more, they can do Crew from 39a & 40
I don't think we've yet heard of NASA's official green light for crew launches from SLC-40.

Confirmed in today's Crew-9 press conference: SLC-40 still not certified by NASA, won't be until September.

And again, this doesn't necessarily mean that Polaris can't use SLC-40; they don't need NASA's approval.  During the presser, Jeff Foust asked to clarify whether Polaris could go off SLC-40 before NASA's certification, but Sarah gave a non-answer.
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