Author Topic: SpaceX F9/Crew Dragon : Polaris Dawn : KSC LC-39A : NET Late August 2024  (Read 204433 times)

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https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1776654242649890932
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Getting much closer.
- CEIT aka 'Test Drive' complete ✅
- Dragon TVAC testing in a week
- Crew EVA TVAC testing in two weeks
- Then EVA suit reveal
- About 6 more weeks of the sim campaign
- Quarantine
- Summer🚀

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_equipment_interface_test
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_vacuum_chamber
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STS-31 had an apogee of 621 km. So highest distance from Earth since Apollo 17.

We shouldn't forget the Gemini missions that docked with their Agena targets and then fired the Agena
to boost the Gemini capsule to a higher orbit.
This was mentioned earlier but I couldn't find it to use as a quote.

Gemini 11 reached an apogee of 1368 km which I believe is the highest manned orbital flight in a LEO.

Carl

Pete Conrad and Dick Gordon flew Gemini 11 in 1966 to the apogee you mentioned which was the record for the time.
When Apollo 8 flew in December of 1968, Jim Lovell said "Tell Conrad he lost his record" after the TLI burn.

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If I recall correctly, only the Apollo lunar missions reached Polaris Dawn/Resilience's expected highest Earth orbital altitude. Question: During or after the TLI burn, did any such Apollo spacecraft exceed that altitude while in an Earth orbit or were they by then in an Earth-Moon orbit; in an orbit that intersected the Earth's surface, or some other non-Earth orbit?

During the TLI burn, altitude increased from about 185 km to 330 km. At the end of the burn, they were heading to about 400,000 km apogee. The Skylab missions went to about 430 km.

So, at the end of the TLI burn were the Apollo missions still orbiting the Earth or were they orbiting the Earth-Moon system? (Technically, a circumbinary orbit?)

One of the lunar Apollo missions obviously holds the highest crewed altitude record, but it could be argued that Gemini 11 still holds the record for the highest altitude while in Earth orbit. And therefore Polaris Dawn could break that record! Personally, I'm in favour of giving people records to break as record breaking tends to drive advances.

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So, at the end of the TLI burn were the Apollo missions still orbiting the Earth or were they orbiting the Earth-Moon system? (Technically, a circumbinary orbit?)

At the end of TLI, they are in Earth orbit with an apogee of around 400,000 km. I presume that the spacecraft is not orbiting the Lunar system until it reaches the "Hill sphere", where the Lunar and Earth gravity cancel each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_sphere

I don't think it makes sense to single out objects heading towards Lunar orbit as being in the Earth-Moon system. Since the Moon has a non-zero gravitational effect on all objects orbiting Earth, technically all objects orbiting the Earth are in the Earth-Moon system.

A circumbinary orbit is where one object orbits around two larger objects (a planet orbiting two stars for example). To maintain a stable orbit, the smaller object would be far away from the two larger objects, which is not the case here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumbinary_planet
« Last Edit: 04/09/2024 07:28 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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On our family commutes 🚗 to @SpaceX , @astro_anil & I would tell our kids endless stories of a dragon and her babies. (Anything to get through a car ride with a toddler, amiright??) These stories ended up being a special connecting point for us before we were apart for the day.

Years later, I was presented with the biggest work trip of my life 🚀and wanted to find a way to connect with my kids from afar🪐.

It quickly became clear that this extra-long commute called for a story about mama dragon 🐉 and her babies…

💕You see, when we’re apart,
We’re not really alone.
I’ll send kisses from space
And I’ll always come home.💕

Kisses From Space available June 4. Preorder your copy today!

https://twitter.com/annawmenon/status/1778107484558991451

https://twitter.com/annawmenon/status/1778107490225496360

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Looks like the NET date is May 31.

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The website of this project: https://www.myfaceinspace.com/

"My Face in Space joins the Polaris Program in supporting St. Jude Children's Research Hospital® in raising funds and awareness for its lifesaving mission."

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SpaceX files Experimental License for Polaris Dawn Dragon recovery operations.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=initial&application_seq=133812&RequestTimeout=1000

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Suit follow-ups to the suit thread please (as per quoted post below):

https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1786759044948189202

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The SpaceX Extravehicular Activity (EVA) suit → spacex.com/updates #Maythe4thBeWithYou

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At ~700 km above Earth, the EVA suit will support the @PolarisProgram’s Polaris Dawn crew in the vacuum of space during the first-ever commercial astronaut spacewalk

https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1786759332794880339

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Evolved from the Intravehicular Activity (IVA) suit, the EVA suit provides greater mobility, a state-of-the-art helmet Heads-Up Display (HUD) and camera, new thermal management textiles, and materials borrowed from Falcon’s interstage and Dragon’s trunk

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Building a base on the Moon and a city on Mars will require millions of spacesuits. The development of this suit and the execution of the spacewalk will be important steps toward a scalable design for spacesuits on future long-duration missions as life becomes multiplanetary

https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1786759813440897490

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Tune in today ~3:00 p.m. ET to hear the crew discuss the mission on Spaces

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https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1786764079002161572

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Chat with the Polaris Dawn crew and SpaceX team today ~3:00 p.m. ET on Spaces →

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1YqJDgBaOyNGV

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After 2+ years, the @SpaceX EVA suit has been unveiled. We are thrilled to have contributed to the dev & testing and excited to wear them on Polaris Dawn for the first commercial EVA. A huge shoutout to the team working tirelessly on this! As we aim for the moon, Mars, and beyond, we'll need plenty of suits. Big step in that direction. May the 4th be with you! 🚀

https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1786761535739617523

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I am very grateful to the thousands of brilliant people @SpaceX, the @PolarisProgram team and my amazing Polaris Dawn crew.  The big day is quickly approaching. May the 4th Be With You! 🚀

Anna Menon
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Thrilled to get to share SpaceX’s new EVA spacesuit! This is the suit that will keep us safe on the first ever commercial spacewalk and a big stepping stone towards a future where thousands of people are walking on the surface of Mars. Huge shout out to the incredible SpaceX team for this feat!

https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1786765758690709932
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There's a mention of the LLAMAS camera payload in this video (32:10) and the duration of the spacewalk will be approximately ~1.5 hours.


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So, at the end of the TLI burn were the Apollo missions still orbiting the Earth or were they orbiting the Earth-Moon system? (Technically, a circumbinary orbit?)

At the end of TLI, they are in Earth orbit with an apogee of around 400,000 km. I presume that the spacecraft is not orbiting the Lunar system until it reaches the "Hill sphere", where the Lunar and Earth gravity cancel each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_sphere

I agree that the spacecraft is not orbiting the Moon until it reaches the Moon's Hill sphere with respect to the Earth, yes. However, it could be within the Moon's Hill sphere and not orbiting the Moon if it's going to do a flyby.

I don't agree that a spacecraft that is in an orbit that will intersect the Moon's Hill sphere is in Earth orbit.

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I don't think it makes sense to single out objects heading towards Lunar orbit as being in the Earth-Moon system. Since the Moon has a non-zero gravitational effect on all objects orbiting Earth, technically all objects orbiting the Earth are in the Earth-Moon system.

Yes. But, they're in the Earth-Moon system while orbiting the Earth. Just as there are objects in the Earth-Moon system that are orbiting the Moon. And there can be objects in the Earth-Moon system that have orbits that encompass both bodies.

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A circumbinary orbit is where one object orbits around two larger objects (a planet orbiting two stars for example). To maintain a stable orbit, the smaller object would be far away from the two larger objects, which is not the case here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumbinary_planet

We have one object (spacecraft) orbiting around two larger ones (Earth and Moon). I agree though that 'circumbinary' doesn't really describe it. Perhaps a 'cislunar' orbit?

An orbit can be unstable and still an orbit. Plenty of objects have been described as being in lunar orbit although, as I understand it, there are no stable lunar orbits because of the influence of the Earth and Sun. (Are LEO orbits stable as objects tend to deorbit due to drag?)

The problem is that there's no accepted formal scientific or astronautical definition of when an object is in orbit 'about' or 'around' another. It's all down to custom and practice. And the custom and practice I prefer is one that regards Gemini 11 as still holding the record for the highest altitude reached by a crewed vehicle while in Earth orbit - because that record is a lot easier to break (and break again) than the ultimate highest altitude record held by Apollo.

If I was Jared Isaacman, I'd claim that record (assuming Resilience reaches high enough). Not simply for the glory, but also because the increased publicity will benefit the good causes the mission is supporting and the target it provides will provide an additional stimulus to crewed spaceflight.

Seems someone might agree with me:
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1786766712735510920

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There's a comment on Eric's post that wonders if an expendable booster will be used. And my reply to that mentioned a booster that's flown 20 times or is close to the 20th flight point may be picked.
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Liftoff for St. Jude's! Go Dragon, Go Falcon, Godspeed Inspiration4!

There's a comment on Eric's post that wonders if an expendable booster will be used. And my reply to that mentioned a booster that's flown 20 times or is close to the 20th flight point may be picked.

If that's the case, I'm predicting B1062 will make its swansong for Polaris Dawn.

In the spaces event, it was mentioned they will be utilizing F9's maximum performance to achieve a ~190 by ~1200km initial orbit while still recovering the booster downrange.

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Crosspost, go to original for attachments:

Summary of Polaris Dawn Mission "Spaces" Audio update:

Quote from: SpaceX's "Spaces" on Twitter - Polaris Dawn Mission - https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1786764079002161572
Launch
early summer launch
targeted apogee 1400km - 7 orbits
eva at 700km

Dragon
big addition is the nitrogen (nitrox?) repress Center Tray
Additional mobility aids / modifications in the vessel (bra on display, padding around the hatch, hatch modifications with extra hand holds
Structure outside the forward hatch is called "Skywalker"
-Fixed, designed for fwd bulkhead thrusters fire around it and associated heating
-Metallic w/ thermal barrier coating

Suit
joints / rotators on shoulders, arms, and wrist (are soft structures when unpressurized)
cooling knob to control temperature added to suit / umbilical
HUD (heads up display) in helmet will include data for temp, pressure, humidity, and timer
crew 6 had changes informed by eva suit dev

EVA
Jared and Sarah will have cameras in their helmets / be performing EVA
No NBL training deliberately. vertical and horizontal harness rigs (Active Response Gravity Offload System (ARGOS) type system)
Eva 2 hour total including depress

Automatic machine transcription and audio attached

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The original design of the suit is from Belgium


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Only one way to make this EVA suit even more real…wear it in space!! SpaceX suits team has achieved something incredible with the design, development, creation, testing, & cert of a new EVA suit in just 2 yrs! Something that hasn’t been accomplished in +4 decades. Proud to represent and honored to wear!!!  LET’S GO!!!!!! @PolarisProgram @SpaceX

https://twitter.com/KiddPoteet/status/1787185284230123858

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Catch the Polaris Dawn crew on the @TODAYshow tomorrow, Monday, May 6, shortly after 7:30am ET

https://twitter.com/PolarisProgram/status/1787237055543583189

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