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Offline Dalhousie

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Dune anyone?
« on: 12/15/2021 06:04 am »
I am surprised that nobody has posted about this.

Saw it last week.  Certainly the best and closest adaptation so far.  The movie ends when Paul and Jessica meet up with the Fremen.

Unlike the Lynch movie the Harkonnens are menacing, rather than camp. 



Duncan Idaho gets to show of his Ginaz swordmaster abilities.

Dune landscapes (Jordan, UAE) are amazing.

The ornithopters (strictly speaking entomopters) are very well done.

if you want to see worms, look them up.....



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Re: Dune anyone?
« Reply #2 on: 12/15/2021 08:31 pm »
Here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=51906.0

That's just for the trailer, not the movie. I thought this'd be the place for the film.

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Re: Dune anyone?
« Reply #3 on: 12/15/2021 08:56 pm »
I thought it was reasonably good at telling the story and it did very well special-effects wise, in most respects the art department did superbly well. The design of the space ships and the costume designs were stunning. OTOH, the large-scale combat could have been far better portrayed, I thought that the battle scenes were lackluster at best. They appeared to use explosions to hide the fact that they could not portray a narrative through battle.

But I was extremely disappointed that it did virtually nothing to portray Paul's considerable (in the book) internal struggles with understanding both his developing abilities and his place in the events that are happening around him.

It also did not cover much of the political machinations going on behind the scenes.

The pacing was very slow, which did not help move forward the narrative. A lot of time was wasted on establishing shots, or shots of scenery, with no dialogue, that could easily have been used to touch on those two points.
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Re: Dune anyone?
« Reply #4 on: 12/15/2021 09:10 pm »
But I was extremely disappointed that it did virtually nothing to portray Paul's considerable (in the book) internal struggles with understanding both his developing abilities and his place in the events that are happening around him.

I think that's a common struggle with adaptations of "monologue heavy" books. Books are very good at immersing one in the mind of a character, while movies are, IMO, much better at immersing one in a fictional world.
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Re: Dune anyone?
« Reply #5 on: 12/15/2021 09:39 pm »
SPOILERS!

I thought it was reasonably good at telling the story and it did very well special-effects wise, in most respects the art department did superbly well. The design of the space ships and the costume designs were stunning. OTOH, the large-scale combat could have been far better portrayed, I thought that the battle scenes were lackluster at best. They appeared to use explosions to hide the fact that they could not portray a narrative through battle.

But I was extremely disappointed that it did virtually nothing to portray Paul's considerable (in the book) internal struggles with understanding both his developing abilities and his place in the events that are happening around him.

It also did not cover much of the political machinations going on behind the scenes.

The pacing was very slow, which did not help move forward the narrative. A lot of time was wasted on establishing shots, or shots of scenery, with no dialogue, that could easily have been used to touch on those two points.

I liked the slow pacing, too many SF films and fantasy are just roller coaster rides, a thrill every few seconds.  Does not work for me.

As others have said, internal worlds are difficult to film.  Perhaps more could have been done, maybe by way of narration or soliloquy.

I liked how the effects were necessary, and did not just become an excuse for gratuitous action sequences.

I don't think the tactical manual has been written for combat in a world with limit project and directed energy weapons, force fields at all scales, and a return to personal combat with edged weapons.  To me the close combat look real enough, and the presence of close order drill in group engagements hinted at it.  But this is not a battle film.

One chilling post battle scene was the cremation of the piles of Atreides dead.
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Re: Dune anyone?
« Reply #6 on: 12/16/2021 01:38 am »
SPOILERS!

I liked the slow pacing, too many SF films and fantasy are just roller coaster rides, a thrill every few seconds.  Does not work for me.

As others have said, internal worlds are difficult to film.  Perhaps more could have been done, maybe by way of narration or soliloquy.

I liked how the effects were necessary, and did not just become an excuse for gratuitous action sequences.

I don't think the tactical manual has been written for combat in a world with limit project and directed energy weapons, force fields at all scales, and a return to personal combat with edged weapons.  To me the close combat look real enough, and the presence of close order drill in group engagements hinted at it.  But this is not a battle film.

One chilling post battle scene was the cremation of the piles of Atreides dead.

At least they got away from Lynch's sonic attack improvisation, and more back to the kung-fu discipline thing that the Weirding Way was supposed to have been. All the personal force field stuff seems to have been Frank Herbert's deuss ex machina for the chivalry of hand-to-hand combat.


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« Reply #7 on: 12/16/2021 02:43 am »
SPOILERS!

I liked the slow pacing, too many SF films and fantasy are just roller coaster rides, a thrill every few seconds.  Does not work for me.

As others have said, internal worlds are difficult to film.  Perhaps more could have been done, maybe by way of narration or soliloquy.

I liked how the effects were necessary, and did not just become an excuse for gratuitous action sequences.

I don't think the tactical manual has been written for combat in a world with limit project and directed energy weapons, force fields at all scales, and a return to personal combat with edged weapons.  To me the close combat look real enough, and the presence of close order drill in group engagements hinted at it.  But this is not a battle film.

One chilling post battle scene was the cremation of the piles of Atreides dead.

At least they got away from Lynch's sonic attack improvisation, and more back to the kung-fu discipline thing that the Weirding Way was supposed to have been. All the personal force field stuff seems to have been Frank Herbert's deuss ex machina for the chivalry of hand-to-hand combat.

The sonic attack was an abomination! Completely missed Herbert's point of human abilities vs. technology.  Personal force fields, along with the Butlerian jihad, were a means of sidestepping the problems of projecting asymptotic technology development 20 thousand years into the future.
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