Author Topic: FAILURE: GeeSAT-1A & 1B - Kuaizhou-1A (Y16) - JSLC - Dec 15, 2021 (02:00 UTC)  (Read 15901 times)

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Something strange popped up yesterday for an air space closure notice near Luoyang, Henan Province with the zone’s axis obviously aligned towards JSLC.

Or rather 2, as the very same zone was filed under another notice on December 15 as well, just 2 days after this one! (See other thread for that)

A3138/21 NOTAMN
Q) ZXXX/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3504N11143E020
A) ZBPE ZHWH B) 2112130149 C) 2112130223
E) A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED
BY:N345731E1120536-N344857E1115735-N351158E1112102-N352034E1112902,

BACK TO START. ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY
RESTRICTED AREA.
VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL.
F) GND G) UNL


This is NOT a usual launch drop zone out of Jiuquan AFAIK.

What is even more strange is this notice, found by @NextLaunch on Twitter, in the Coral Sea NE of Australia between Queensland and New Caledonia:

N3340/21 NOTAMN
Q) YBBB/QWMLW/IV/BO/W/000/999/1911S15757E280
A) YBBB
B) 2112100100 C) 2112180400
E) AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY FM CHINA WILL TAKE PLACE
FLW RECIEVED FM CIVIL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION OF CHINA (CAAC):
TWO AEROSPACE LAUNCHES EXP, THE FLT SAFETY OF ACFT MAY BE AFFECTED
UNBURNED DEBRIS IS EXP WI THE FLW AREA: 192523S 1591804E, 191117S
1593524E, 195212S 1601247E, 200625S 1595530E
UNBURNED DEBRIS IS EXP WI THE FLW AREA: 182656S 1554214E, 181316S
1555953E, 185516S 1563549E, 190900S 1561811E
F) SFC G) UNL


The timing of December 10 01:00 UTC - December 18 04:00 UTC matches perfectly with the zones inside China as listed above, though I personally checked and it seems it would take a slight dog-leg for these zones to align. It’s not that much though and these 2 zones seems to point towards a 51-degrees-ish orbit inclination.

I can’t think of anything that could launch towards that direction, and with the LM-2/4 pad just used the only LV choices plausible seems to be KZ-1A or CZ-11. Two KZ-1As (s/n Y16 and Y17) were sent to the launch site in late November so maybe it’s them?

Any thoughts as to whether these are orbital spaceflight related, and if so what they are?
« Last Edit: 12/15/2021 09:14 am by input~2 »
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Re: ? - ? - Jiuquan? - December 13, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #1 on: 12/11/2021 02:32 am »
This might be Kuaizhou-1A Y16, but it is also said there is a CZ-11 in this month.
« Last Edit: 12/11/2021 02:57 am by mikezang »

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Re: ? - ? - Jiuquan? - December 13, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #2 on: 12/11/2021 07:39 am »

The timing of December 10 01:00 UTC - December 18 04:00 UTC matches perfectly with the zones inside China as listed above, though I personally checked and it seems it would take a slight dog-leg for these zones to align. It’s not that much though and these 2 zones seems to point towards a 51-degrees-ish orbit inclination.

I can’t think of anything that could launch towards that direction, and with the LM-2/4 pad just used the only LV choices plausible seems to be KZ-1A or CZ-11. Two KZ-1As (s/n Y16 and Y17) were sent to the launch site in late November so maybe it’s them?

The 51° inclination is rather strange, it seems to me that the Xingyun satellites to be launched by Kuaizhou go into sun-synchronous orbit?

Do we know in which orbit will go the GeelySat that we had heard about some time ago ? A low orbit positioning constellation should have a non-heliosynchronous inclination right ?

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Re: ? - ? - Jiuquan? - December 13, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #3 on: 12/11/2021 01:19 pm »
The general N3340 NOTAM has been replaced by two detailed, each for each date:

N3420/21 NOTAMN
Q) YBBB/QWMLW/IV/BO/W/000/999/1937S15944E035
A) YBBB
B) 2112130151 C) 2112130248
E) AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY WILL TAKE PLACE
AEROSPACE LAUNCH EXP, THE FLT SAFETY OF ACFT MAY BE AFFECTED.
UNBURNED DEBRIS IS EXP WI THE FLW AREA:
19 52 15S 160 12 50E, 20 06 28S 159 55 30E, 19 25 25S 159 18 05E, 19
11 16S 159 35 23E
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 11 Dec 2021 06:31:00
SOURCE: YBBBZEZX
« Last Edit: 12/11/2021 01:20 pm by Liss »
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Re: ? - ? - Jiuquan? - December 13, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #4 on: 12/12/2021 05:26 am »
I think this has increased chances that these two launches are KZ-1As (not that there are much alternatives available with JSLC’s main CZ-2/4 pad just being used, but CZ-11 is an option).

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The HEAD 1, 2A, 2B, 2C, 2D, 2E, 2F, 3, 4, 5 (Hede 1, 2A, 2B, 2C, 2D, 2E, 2F, 3, 4, 5) of Gunter's Space Page said that Hede 2C/2D are not launched yet, but base on link at 喜报|祝贺交通VDES试验星——和德二号E/F星发射成功, Hede-2C/2D had been launched!
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Beijing Hede Aerospace Technology Co., Ltd. was founded in 2007 and is headquartered in Beijing. It has 8 domestic and foreign branches including subsidiaries in the Netherlands, France, Spain, Hong Kong, and representative offices in Morocco, South Africa, Mexico, and Shanghai. Association member unit, International Telecommunication Union (ITU) member unit, International Navigation Marks Organization (IALA) member unit, China Military Industry Association standing director unit, national high-tech enterprise, Zhongguancun high-tech enterprise, with ESA project undertaking qualification, Class B surveying and mapping Qualifications, national military standard quality management system certification and other qualifications, as well as more than 50 technical intellectual property rights, 2 EU intellectual property rights. The main business involves aerospace trade and investment, Skywalker constellation and satellite ground station service network, and intelligent space information services. At present, Hede Aerospace's normal orbiting satellites include Hede-2 A, B, C, D, E, F and other 6 satellites. Since its establishment in 2007, Hede Aerospace has relied on more than 400 aerospace industry partners around the world, as well as rich domestic and foreign government resources, and has also provided key for many key Chinese aerospace missions such as manned spaceflight, Beidou navigation, and Chang'e lunar exploration. Products and technical services have made significant contributions to the rapid development of China's aerospace industry.
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The HEAD 1, 2A, 2B, 2C, 2D, 2E, 2F, 3, 4, 5 (Hede 1, 2A, 2B, 2C, 2D, 2E, 2F, 3, 4, 5) of Gunter's Space Page said that HEAD 2C/2D are not launched yet, but base on link at 喜报|祝贺交通VDES试验星——和德二号E/F星发射成功, HEAD-2C/2D had been launched!
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Beijing Hede Aerospace Technology Co., Ltd. was founded in 2007 and is headquartered in Beijing. It has 8 domestic and foreign branches including subsidiaries in the Netherlands, France, Spain, Hong Kong, and representative offices in Morocco, South Africa, Mexico, and Shanghai. Association member unit, International Telecommunication Union (ITU) member unit, International Navigation Marks Organization (IALA) member unit, China Military Industry Association standing director unit, national high-tech enterprise, Zhongguancun high-tech enterprise, with ESA project undertaking qualification, Class B surveying and mapping Qualifications, national military standard quality management system certification and other qualifications, as well as more than 50 technical intellectual property rights, 2 EU intellectual property rights. The main business involves aerospace trade and investment, Skywalker constellation and satellite ground station service network, and intelligent space information services. At present, Hede Aerospace's normal orbiting satellites include Hede-2 A, B, C, D, E, F and other 6 satellites. Since its establishment in 2007, Hede Aerospace has relied on more than 400 aerospace industry partners around the world, as well as rich domestic and foreign government resources, and has also provided key for many key Chinese aerospace missions such as manned spaceflight, Beidou navigation, and Chang'e lunar exploration. Products and technical services have made significant contributions to the rapid development of China's aerospace industry.

There is the possibility, that the satellites registered as Hede-4 and 5 are in fact Hede 2C and 2D. But i have no confirmation for this, although i think it is likely.

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There is the possibility, that the satellites registered as Hede-4 and 5 are in fact Hede 2C and 2D. But i have no confirmation for this, although i think it is likely.
There are Hede-4th and Hede-5th.
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Though Kuaizhou-1A is contracted to launch MicroSpace-1 S3/S4 satellites (微厘空间一号S3/S4卫星) in first half of 2020 from 湖北:逐梦航天 合作共赢, there was no any launch records for MicroSpace-1 S3/S4 in past.
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During the event, the Rocket Company signed a Kuaizhou rocket launch service contract with Future Navigation Beijing Technology Co., Ltd. It is expected that the Kuaizhou-1A launch vehicle will be used to launch the MicroSpace-1 system S3 and S4 test satellites in the first half of 2020.

The MicroSpace-1 S3 was moved from Shanghai to launch site (I guess it should be Jiuquan) in November, 2021 from 卫星创新院召开微厘空间一号S3卫星进场动员会暨出征仪式, I think 53.5° is near 51° so the payload might be MicroSpace-1 S3 by Y16 or Y17, may I make sense?
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On November 27, 2021, the mobilization meeting and expedition ceremony for the S3 satellite of the MicroSpace 1 system was held in the multifunctional hall of Building 5 in Zhangjiang Park.

First of all, Xu Wenming, deputy chief engineer of satellite systems, reported on the progress of satellite development and follow-up launch site plans on behalf of the team.

Subsequently, Zhu Zhencai, on behalf of the Satellite Innovation Institute, read out the approval for the establishment of the S3 satellite launch test team, and awarded the team flag to the leader of the test team Chen Hongyu.

Test team members Liang Xiupeng, Hu Xiaoyue and others made speeches, and they should devote themselves to the launch mission. Team leader Chen Hongyu spoke on behalf of the test team and will surely ensure the success of the launch mission with a will to struggle and firm determination.

Zhu Cheng, the leader of the responsible expert group, said that the satellite has completed all the research and development work before entering the field, and he hopes that the test team will do a good job in the failure plan and "double thinking" work at the base.

Zhu Zhencai made a request: I hope the test team will perform its duties earnestly with a high sense of political responsibility and mission, carry forward a rigorous and meticulous work style, unite and cooperate, carefully organize, operate accurately, and go all out to ensure the complete success of the launch mission.

The MicroSpace-1 system S3 satellite has the technical characteristics of enhanced navigation and narrow-band communication functions. It is the third in a series of experimental satellites developed by the Satellite Innovation Institute. The satellite is 100kg and operates in an orbit with an inclination of 53.5° of 700 kilometers.

The test team members will live up to their mission and resolutely complete the mission successfully.

Here is MiscroSpace-1 S1 launched article from 我国一固体火箭成功发射 下单到履约仅耗时4个多月.
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The successful launch of a solid rocket in my country only took more than 4 months from placing an order to fulfilling the contract
09-29 15:04  |  NewsSource: China Youth Daily Client
China Youth Online Beijing, September 29 (China Youth Daily, China Youth Online reporter Qiu Chenhui) The reporter learned from the Fourth Academy of Aerospace Science and Industry of China The launch vehicle was launched at China’s Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center at 12:13 today, successfully sending the MicroSpace-1 system S1 test satellite into the intended orbit.

Kuaizhou-1A solid carrier rocket is a general-purpose rocket that mainly provides launch services for 300kg-class low-orbit small satellites. It adopts international general interfaces and has high flight reliability, high precision into orbit, short preparation period, and guarantee conditions. Few, low launch cost, etc.

Previously, Kuaizhou-1A completed its first commercial launch with a "three-star one arrow" method. This launch is the second commercial launch mission of the rocket. It only took more than four months from signing the contract to fulfilling the contract. At present, this type of rocket has signed 8 orders, and the intention order is more than 10, and there will be more intensive launch missions in the future.

The "MicroSpace-1 System S1 Test Satellite" carried this time is the first pilot technology test satellite of the low-orbit navigation enhancement system being developed by Beijing Future Navigation Technology Co., Ltd., developed by the Institute of Microsatellite Innovation of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. The satellite uses a dedicated micro-satellite platform, equipped with advanced payloads such as high-performance navigation enhancements, and will carry out advanced inter-satellite link networking tests with the second satellite to be launched later to expand Beidou positioning and navigation applications.

Then "MicroSpace-1 S2" was launched failed by Kuaizhou-1A on July 10, 2020.
« Last Edit: 12/12/2021 01:14 pm by mikezang »

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After waiting for an hour, there were fresh NOTAMs issued inside Chinese aerospace that shows both launches slipping by 2 days, this one to December 15 and the one originally on the 15th is now on December 17.

A3152/21 NOTAMN
Q) ZXXX/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3504N11143E020
A) ZBPE ZHWH B) 2112150149 C) 2112150223
E) A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED
BY:N345731E1120536-N344857E1115735-N351158E1112102-N352034E1112902,

BACK TO START. ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY
RESTRICTED AREA.
VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL.
F) GND G) UNL


N3426/21 NOTAMR N3420/21
Q) YBBB/QWMLW/IV/BO/W/000/999/1937S15944E035
A) YBBB
B) 2112150100 C) 2112150400
E) AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY WILL TAKE PLACE
AEROSPACE LAUNCH EXP, THE FLT SAFETY OF ACFT MAY BE AFFECTED.
UNBURNED DEBRIS IS EXP WI THE FLW AREA:
19 25 23S 159 18 04E, 19 11 17S 159 35 24E, 19 52 12S 160 12 47E, 20
06 25S 159 55 30E
F) SFC G) UNL
« Last Edit: 12/13/2021 02:30 am by Galactic Penguin SST »
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Re: ? - Kuaizhou-1A? - Jiuquan - December 15, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #10 on: 12/13/2021 10:26 am »
Jiuquan. Kuaizhou-1A Y16-Y17
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Re: ? - Kuaizhou-1A? - Jiuquan - December 13, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #11 on: 12/13/2021 08:12 pm »

The MicroSpace-1 S3 was moved from Shanghai to launch site (I guess it should be Jiuquan) in November, 2021 from 卫星创新院召开微厘空间一号S3卫星进场动员会暨出征仪式, I think 53.5° is near 51° so the payload might be MicroSpace-1 S3 by Y16 or Y17, may I make sense?
Quote from: translated by Google
On November 27, 2021, the mobilization meeting and expedition ceremony for the S3 satellite of the MicroSpace 1 system was held in the multifunctional hall of Building 5 in Zhangjiang Park.

First of all, Xu Wenming, deputy chief engineer of satellite systems, reported on the progress of satellite development and follow-up launch site plans on behalf of the team.

Subsequently, Zhu Zhencai, on behalf of the Satellite Innovation Institute, read out the approval for the establishment of the S3 satellite launch test team, and awarded the team flag to the leader of the test team Chen Hongyu.

Test team members Liang Xiupeng, Hu Xiaoyue and others made speeches, and they should devote themselves to the launch mission. Team leader Chen Hongyu spoke on behalf of the test team and will surely ensure the success of the launch mission with a will to struggle and firm determination.

Zhu Cheng, the leader of the responsible expert group, said that the satellite has completed all the research and development work before entering the field, and he hopes that the test team will do a good job in the failure plan and "double thinking" work at the base.

Zhu Zhencai made a request: I hope the test team will perform its duties earnestly with a high sense of political responsibility and mission, carry forward a rigorous and meticulous work style, unite and cooperate, carefully organize, operate accurately, and go all out to ensure the complete success of the launch mission.

The MicroSpace-1 system S3 satellite has the technical characteristics of enhanced navigation and narrow-band communication functions. It is the third in a series of experimental satellites developed by the Satellite Innovation Institute. The satellite is 100kg and operates in an orbit with an inclination of 53.5° of 700 kilometers.

The test team members will live up to their mission and resolutely complete the mission successfully.

In the photo of the S3 mobilization ceremony the date Dec 15th 2021 is visible. If this is the originally planned launch date then S3 belongs to the second KZ-1A scheduled now for Dec 17th.
« Last Edit: 12/13/2021 08:19 pm by limen4 »

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Re: ? - Kuaizhou-1A? - Jiuquan - December 13, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #12 on: 12/13/2021 10:53 pm »
Quote from: limen4
In the photo of the S3 mobilization ceremony the date Dec 15th 2021 is visible. If this is the originally planned launch date then S3 belongs to the second KZ-1A scheduled now for Dec 17th.
It is possible to keep this launch plan but delay plan on Decmber 13 to 17, this is more practice.

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Re: ? - Kuaizhou-1A? - Jiuquan - December 13, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #13 on: 12/14/2021 09:42 am »
After waiting for an hour, there were fresh NOTAMs issued inside Chinese aerospace that shows both launches slipping by 2 days, this one to December 15 and the one originally on the 15th is now on December 17.

A3152/21 NOTAMN
Q) ZXXX/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3504N11143E020
A) ZBPE ZHWH B) 2112150149 C) 2112150223
E) A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED
BY:N345731E1120536-N344857E1115735-N351158E1112102-N352034E1112902,

BACK TO START. ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY
RESTRICTED AREA.
VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL.
F) GND G) UNL


N3426/21 NOTAMR N3420/21
Q) YBBB/QWMLW/IV/BO/W/000/999/1937S15944E035
A) YBBB
B) 2112150100 C) 2112150400
E) AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY WILL TAKE PLACE
AEROSPACE LAUNCH EXP, THE FLT SAFETY OF ACFT MAY BE AFFECTED.
UNBURNED DEBRIS IS EXP WI THE FLW AREA:
19 25 23S 159 18 04E, 19 11 17S 159 35 24E, 19 52 12S 160 12 47E, 20
06 25S 159 55 30E
F) SFC G) UNL

Does this NOTAM have any updating?

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Re: ? - Kuaizhou-1A? - Jiuquan - December 15, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #14 on: 12/14/2021 11:06 am »
A3152 and N3430 are active for Dec 15.

N3430/21 NOTAMN
Q) YBBB/QWMLW/IV/BO/W/000/999/1937S15944E035
A) YBBB
B) 2112150151 C) 2112150248
E) AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY WILL TAKE PLACE
AEROSPACE LAUNCH EXP, THE FLT SAFETY OF ACFT MAY BE AFFECTED.
UNBURNED DEBRIS IS EXP WI THE FLW AREA:
19 25 23S 159 18 04E, 19 11 17S 159 35 24E, 19 52 12S 160 12 47E, 20
06 25S 159 55 30E
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 13 Dec 2021 03:40:00
SOURCE: YBBBZEZX
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Re: ? - Kuaizhou-1A? - Jiuquan - December 15, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #15 on: 12/14/2021 06:18 pm »
Weili Kongjian 1 Xitong S3.

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Re: ? - Kuaizhou-1A? - Jiuquan - December 15, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #16 on: 12/15/2021 01:23 am »
Could/should be launching now.
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Re: ? - Kuaizhou-1A? - Jiuquan - December 15, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #17 on: 12/15/2021 02:14 am »
No launch?

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Re: ? - Kuaizhou-1A? - Jiuquan - December 15, 2021 (~02:00 UTC)
« Reply #18 on: 12/15/2021 02:31 am »
RUMOR says it failed. The NOTAM of 17 Dec is still there at the moment.

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RUMOR says it failed. The NOTAM of 17 Dec is still there at the moment.

If there’s one I don’t see any from several “insider” accounts that I’m tracking, it could easily be a scrub as well.

The air space closure zone on the 17th (still active right now) is definitely the one worth watching out.
« Last Edit: 12/15/2021 03:20 am by Galactic Penguin SST »
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