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Offline su27k

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Re: Starlink: Collision risks
« Reply #60 on: 12/01/2022 01:59 am »
Starlink breaks space traffic safety rules and China may follow: study

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A team of Chinese space engineers has accused SpaceX’s Starlink satellites of breaking the traffic rules of Earth’s lower orbit and warned that China will be giving the US an upper hand if it does not follow suit.

The researchers said two of Starlink’s newest satellites, equipped with high-speed laser communication devices, came within 4.9km (3 miles) of each other on June 30. The commonly accepted – if unwritten – minimum distance to avoid collision is 10km (6.2 miles).

In a study published by Chinese peer-reviewed journal Radio Engineering, the researchers said the unusually dense formation was no accident, but the result of a complex scheme by SpaceX to maximise the performance of its laser communications.

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Re: Starlink: Collision risks
« Reply #61 on: 12/01/2022 03:24 am »
SpaceX has pretty good tracking, so there’s no a priori reason to think this was unsafe.
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Re: Starlink: Collision risks
« Reply #62 on: 12/01/2022 03:47 am »
I wonder if anyone could find the article - from the sound of it, it seems like it was between sats in different orbital planes?

But there *is* a big difference between proximity between two of your own sats. You know your position pretty accurately. Knowledge of other's orbit has a degree of uncertainty. Very different situation.

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Re: Starlink: Collision risks
« Reply #63 on: 01/04/2023 06:24 am »
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The recent reporting by SpaceX of the number of collision avoidance manoeuvres performed by Starlink has enabled an updated analysis & prediction... In a voluntary filing SpaceX indicated that each Starlink satellite has sufficient propellant to perform 5,000 propulsive manoeuvres over the satellite life, with 350 of those for collision avoidance. Depending on the model used, that level might be reached somewhere after 7,500-8,000 satellites have been launched. Quite important caveats apply here! The models used for prediction are based entirely on the extrapolation of simple trendlines (some where there is no real causation). As such, they assume that past behaviour is a perfect description of future behaviour, which is unlikely (e.g. if the launch cadence changes, if the Starlink 2nd generation satellites have different collision characteristics, or if the SSA data used for screening differs from the present-day SSA data, perhaps through the inclusion of smaller objects) The choice of model (i.e., linear, quadratic, cubic) is based not only on the fit but also on my expectations for the behaviour. Primarily, I expect the *cumulative* number of manoeuvres to increase non-linearly with time & number of Starlink satellites launched. As time goes on and SpaceX offers more data, I will update the models and predictions (and also test/validate the older predictions) keeping you informed. In the meantime, thanks for reading!

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Re: Starlink: Collision risks
« Reply #64 on: 02/28/2023 12:42 am »
It's getting crowded in space. SpaceX is not happy three HawkEye360 satellites and two stages of the Electron were left in orbits next to Starlink satellites.

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HE360 recently confirmed its deployment on January 24, 2023, of three satellites “at an orbital
altitude of approximately 552 km (apogee) x 551 km (perigee).”  Moreover, Rocket Lab
disposed of the second and third stages of the Electron launch vehicle used for this injection
in orbits of 329 km x 558 km and 549 km x 552 km, respectively.

As of February 21, SpaceX had received 400 proximity alerts related to the three recently launched
HE360 satellites, resulting in 164 collision avoidance maneuvers. While HE360 does not publicly
post ephemeris and covariance data on Space-Track.org, SpaceX’s advanced collision avoidance
system has operated successfully and continues to avoid the HE360 satellites.

Rocket Lab left two stages of the launch vehicle that deployed the HE360 satellites in orbits
that also affect SpaceX’s constellation. As of February 21, SpaceX had received 47 proximity
alerts exceeding its safety threshold from the two stages, resulting in 35 collision avoidance
maneuvers.

The SpaceX collision avoidance system is robust and can accommodate other systems
operating in its approved orbital shells. Nonetheless, industry best practices and licensing
requirements call for both the launch provider and satellite owner/operator to coordinate prior to
launch.

SpaceX has raised these issues with both HE360 and Rocket Lab, and will continue to work
with them to minimize the risks of their future launches.

Offline RedLineTrain

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Re: Starlink: Collision risks
« Reply #65 on: 02/28/2023 03:27 am »
It's getting crowded in space. SpaceX is not happy three HawkEye360 satellites and two stages of the Electron were left in orbits next to Starlink satellites.

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HE360 recently confirmed its deployment on January 24, 2023, of three satellites “at an orbital
altitude of approximately 552 km (apogee) x 551 km (perigee).”  Moreover, Rocket Lab
disposed of the second and third stages of the Electron launch vehicle used for this injection
in orbits of 329 km x 558 km and 549 km x 552 km, respectively.

As of February 21, SpaceX had received 400 proximity alerts related to the three recently launched
HE360 satellites, resulting in 164 collision avoidance maneuvers. While HE360 does not publicly
post ephemeris and covariance data on Space-Track.org, SpaceX’s advanced collision avoidance
system has operated successfully and continues to avoid the HE360 satellites.

Rocket Lab left two stages of the launch vehicle that deployed the HE360 satellites in orbits
that also affect SpaceX’s constellation. As of February 21, SpaceX had received 47 proximity
alerts exceeding its safety threshold from the two stages, resulting in 35 collision avoidance
maneuvers.

The SpaceX collision avoidance system is robust and can accommodate other systems
operating in its approved orbital shells. Nonetheless, industry best practices and licensing
requirements call for both the launch provider and satellite owner/operator to coordinate prior to
launch.

SpaceX has raised these issues with both HE360 and Rocket Lab, and will continue to work
with them to minimize the risks of their future launches.

Rather, SpaceX was unhappy that they didn’t do any coordination with SpaceX.

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Re: Starlink: Collision risks
« Reply #66 on: 07/25/2024 06:21 pm »
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SpaceX now nominally uses an even more conservative maneuver threshold two
orders of magnitude more sensitive than the industry standard. Specifically, SpaceX satellites will
maneuver when the probability of collision is greater than 1e-6 (1 in 1,000,000 chance of collision),
as opposed to the industry standard of 1e-4 (1 in 10,000 chance of collision).

From the gen1 report:
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Using this very conservative threshold, along with even more conservative assumptions, SpaceX satellites
performed 49,384 propulsive maneuvers over the reporting period, averaging approximately 27
maneuvers per satellite, per year.

From the gen2 report:
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Using this very conservative threshold, along with even more conservative assumptions, SpaceX satellites
performed 37,094 propulsive maneuvers over the reporting period.

From the previous gen1 report:
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Specifically, SpaceX satellites will maneuver when the
probability of collision is greater than 1e-5 (1 in 100,000 chance of collision), as opposed to the
industry standard of 1e-4 (1 in 10,000 chance of collision). Using this very conservative threshold,
along with even more conservative triggers, SpaceX satellites performed 24,410 propulsive
maneuvers over the reporting period, averaging approximately 12 maneuvers per satellite, per year.

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