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Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« on: 09/13/2021 05:00 pm »
Yet another space startup.

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Privateer Space is working to keep space safe and accessible to all humankind. Co-founded by Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak and Ripcord founder Alex Fielding, Privateer will be providing private audiences a glimpse into the companies future plans at AMOS Tech 2021 in September



https://www.privateer.com/

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The sky is no longer the limit. We are in stealth mode. We'll see you at AMOS in September 2021 in Maui, Hawaii.

Video seems to imply an earth sciences focus? "So here's to taking care of what we have so the next generation can be better, together."
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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #1 on: 09/13/2021 05:30 pm »
Space junk cleanup?

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #3 on: 09/13/2021 06:59 pm »
Space junk cleanup?

That's what this article claims.

https://3dprint.com/283866/apples-steve-wozniak-to-clean-up-space-junk-with-desktop-metals-titanium-3d-printing/

Guess we'll find out in a few days.
The biggest problem with space junk cleanup is how to monetize it. since Russia still owns the paint chips that have fallen off russian boosters, (just as one example) deorbiting those paint chips without buying them off Russia first is a whole international incident. You need to find someone willing to pay to have less junk (actual junk, like paint chips and dead sats, not just thousands of starlinks doing their jobs) in orbit.

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #4 on: 09/13/2021 07:08 pm »
Also, wonder why they would start a new venture instead of being an investor in one of the other "space junk" companies.

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #5 on: 09/13/2021 09:19 pm »
Also, wonder why they would start a new venture instead of being an investor in one of the other "space junk" companies.
Maybe they have a different idea on how to do it.

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #6 on: 09/13/2021 09:40 pm »
"The biggest problem with space junk cleanup is how to monetize it. since Russia still owns the paint chips that have fallen off russian boosters, (just as one example) deorbiting those paint chips without buying them off Russia first is a whole international incident."

True, but ownership implies liability if damage is done by even a tiny fragment, and a desire to avoid liability may encourage cooperation.  It needs to be negotiated but it's probably not as big a problem as all that.

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #7 on: 09/13/2021 11:17 pm »
Space junk cleanup?

That's what this article claims.

https://3dprint.com/283866/apples-steve-wozniak-to-clean-up-space-junk-with-desktop-metals-titanium-3d-printing/

Guess we'll find out in a few days.
The biggest problem with space junk cleanup is how to monetize it. since Russia still owns the paint chips that have fallen off russian boosters, (just as one example) deorbiting those paint chips without buying them off Russia first is a whole international incident. You need to find someone willing to pay to have less junk (actual junk, like paint chips and dead sats, not just thousands of starlinks doing their jobs) in orbit.

Wow, for real? We need a law of the sea for space, where ‘sunk’ becomes ‘without power’ or ‘uncontrolled’.
I can’t imagine anything that would lead to better orbital hygiene than militaries working to protect their gear’s secrets.

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #8 on: 09/16/2021 02:27 am »
Space junk cleanup?

That's what this article claims.

https://3dprint.com/283866/apples-steve-wozniak-to-clean-up-space-junk-with-desktop-metals-titanium-3d-printing/

Guess we'll find out in a few days.

They're supposedly a sponsor at the AMOS conference out in Maui this week, which is focused on space situational awareness, space traffic management, and active debris mitigation (among other things). So, yeah a non-trivial chance that they're planning on competing with Astroscale in this market.

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #9 on: 09/16/2021 07:45 am »
Well obviously, they are going to remake Mercury and have it dock to something in space!
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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #10 on: 09/16/2021 03:10 pm »
I'm a big fan of the Woz, dating back to my days as the very young and proud owner of my first computer, an Apple IIe (with 64k memory expansion!).  Looking forward to hearing more about this endeavor.

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #11 on: 09/17/2021 05:39 pm »
since Russia still owns the paint chips that have fallen off russian boosters, (just as one example) deorbiting those paint chips without buying them off Russia first is a whole international incident.
If the name 'privateer space' is anything to go by, their business model may be "yeah, we've grappled your trash you left in orbit, whaddaya gonna do about it?".

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #12 on: 09/17/2021 11:09 pm »
Space junk cleanup?

That's what this article claims.

https://3dprint.com/283866/apples-steve-wozniak-to-clean-up-space-junk-with-desktop-metals-titanium-3d-printing/

Guess we'll find out in a few days.
The biggest problem with space junk cleanup is how to monetize it. since Russia still owns the paint chips that have fallen off russian boosters, (just as one example) deorbiting those paint chips without buying them off Russia first is a whole international incident.
I agree the problem is monetization, but not in the way you describe it. I don't see any conceivable course of events where Russia throws a fit about somebody deorbiting their paint chips (or other debris). It's like litter--people who throw trash on the side of the road aren't going to throw a fit because you cleaned it up. The problem isn't getting the cleaners to buy the litter, the problem is getting the litterers to buy the cleanup.

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #13 on: 09/19/2021 11:35 am »
Obvious solution is to change the game via some international legislation;

If you leave junk in orbit that does not decay within a prescribed window on its own (say, a few years), it is up for grabs for anyone to actively clean up and whoever launched it up there gets to pay a fee when the cleanup is done

This would give an economic incentive to keep the orbit clean and an incentive for someone to invest in active debris cleanup, as every paint chip is a moneybag.

The hard part is to get everyone to agree on such a scheme with moneybag values that are large enough to make it feasible to run a company doing that cleanup.


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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #14 on: 09/26/2021 07:16 am »
Space junk cleanup?

That's what this article claims.

https://3dprint.com/283866/apples-steve-wozniak-to-clean-up-space-junk-with-desktop-metals-titanium-3d-printing/

Guess we'll find out in a few days.
The biggest problem with space junk cleanup is how to monetize it. since Russia still owns the paint chips that have fallen off russian boosters, (just as one example) deorbiting those paint chips without buying them off Russia first is a whole international incident.
I agree the problem is monetization, but not in the way you describe it. I don't see any conceivable course of events where Russia throws a fit about somebody deorbiting their paint chips (or other debris). It's like litter--people who throw trash on the side of the road aren't going to throw a fit because you cleaned it up. The problem isn't getting the cleaners to buy the litter, the problem is getting the litterers to buy the cleanup.

If you look at the NSF livestream with Jonathan Mcdowell, you'll see it makes much more sense to clean up the big stuff than the small stuff. It takes as much effort for each individual piece, but big stuff has the potential to dramatically increase the problem where small stuf does not. Russia and the US are not going to like people taking a look at their old satellites

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #15 on: 09/26/2021 09:01 am »
Russia and the US are not going to like people taking a look at their old satellites
A bunch of public looky-lous buzzing your secret squirrel satellites would add some incentive to proactively deorbiting your satellites at end-of-life, and getting rid of any still up there.

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« Reply #16 on: 09/26/2021 09:11 am »
Russia and the US are not going to like people taking a look at their old satellites

A lot of big debris are old upper stages which I assume they don't mind being looked at, most belongs to Soviet/Russia: https://spacenews.com/upper-stages-top-list-of-most-dangerous-space-debris/

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #17 on: 09/26/2021 10:43 pm »
Russia and the US are not going to like people taking a look at their old satellites
A bunch of public looky-lous buzzing your secret squirrel satellites would add some incentive to proactively deorbiting your satellites at end-of-life, and getting rid of any still up there.

Is there much that can be determined by direct observation though, particularly if the telescope cover is closed? Or is the concern that once OTV servicers are a thing, an inspection bot might poke a fiberscope inside to look around, maybe hook up a debugger to the boards to try and extract any data such as secret keys like a surgical laparoscopy robot, or take some" souvenirs"?

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #18 on: 09/27/2021 06:19 am »
Is there much that can be determined by direct observation though, particularly if the telescope cover is closed? Or is the concern that once OTV servicers are a thing, an inspection bot might poke a fiberscope inside to look around, maybe hook up a debugger to the boards to try and extract any data such as secret keys like a surgical laparoscopy robot, or take some" souvenirs"?

I think that would be a violation of the Outer Space Treaty, as you are not allowed to interfere with satellites from other countries without permission. See Article IX.

https://www.unoosa.org/oosa/en/ourwork/spacelaw/treaties/outerspacetreaty.html
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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #19 on: 09/27/2021 11:31 am »
Wow. So, of the 20 most threatening LEO large derelict objects, 20 are Zenit second stages ? With Envisat immediately behind them.

Did Sea Launch desorbited its own stages ? or are those, relics from before their times - different Zenits ?

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #20 on: 09/27/2021 11:52 am »
Russia and the US are not going to like people taking a look at their old satellites

A lot of big debris are old upper stages which I assume they don't mind being looked at, most belongs to Soviet/Russia: https://spacenews.com/upper-stages-top-list-of-most-dangerous-space-debris/

Ah, the main explosion in space hardware and debris is happening in LEO, so that's what I think of first. But a cleanup of GEO would be nice too.

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #21 on: 09/28/2021 10:41 am »
Russia and the US are not going to like people taking a look at their old satellites

A lot of big debris are old upper stages which I assume they don't mind being looked at, most belongs to Soviet/Russia: https://spacenews.com/upper-stages-top-list-of-most-dangerous-space-debris/

Ah, the main explosion in space hardware and debris is happening in LEO, so that's what I think of first. But a cleanup of GEO would be nice too.

Actually top 50 most dangerous debris objects are in LEO, concentrated at around 800km to 1,000km, you can see the actual list in this article

Wow. So, of the 20 most threatening LEO large derelict objects, 20 are Zenit second stages ? With Envisat immediately behind them.

Did Sea Launch desorbited its own stages ? or are those, relics from before their times - different Zenits ?

The list identifies them as SL-16, seems to be upper stage of Zenit 2, not related to Sea Launch.

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #22 on: 09/28/2021 11:02 am »
I keep forgetting that Zenit 3 threw satellites in GEO, so they can't be an issue...

https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau_fam/zenit.htm

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #23 on: 10/26/2021 04:51 am »
Steve Wozniak's stealthy space startup Privateer hires chief scientific adviser

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Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak's new space company is really starting to take shape.

Hawaii-based Privateer remains in stealth mode a month after Wozniak and co-founder Alex Fielding announced its existence, but we know the company aims to tackle humanity's growing problem with space junk, which threatens to hinder our exploration of the final frontier. And Privateer will focus, at least initially, on improving our knowledge of the teeming orbital population.

"We really got started with the goal of building … the Google Maps of space," Fielding told TechCrunch recently.

The company has just hired one of the people who will lead this ambitious effort, tapping aerodynamicist and "space environmentalist" Moriba Jah as its chief scientific adviser.

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« Reply #24 on: 11/09/2021 02:37 am »
Space tracking startup Privateer hires Jah as chief scientific adviser

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While Privateer was initially thought to be working on orbital debris removal technologies, the company is instead focused on better monitoring of satellites and other objects in orbit. “We want to focus on decision intelligence,” Jah said in an interview during the 72nd International Astronautical Congress. “How do we enable these things and do so in a way that makes space more transparent, makes space more predictable and can develop a body of evidence to help people and hold them accountable for their behaviors.”

Jah has developed AstriaGraph, a visualization tool that combines space situational awareness data from a several sources. AstriaGraph will be the core of Privateer’s efforts, he said, creating a “multisourced digital commons of stuff in space.”

Privateer will augment that with data from a constellation of satellites it plans to develop. Its first prototype satellite, Pono-1, will launch early next year. The three-unit cubesat will carry a variety of sensors to track and characterize space objects.

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« Reply #25 on: 11/09/2021 05:27 am »
Space tracking startup Privateer hires Jah as chief scientific adviser

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While Privateer was initially thought to be working on orbital debris removal technologies, the company is instead focused on better monitoring of satellites and other objects in orbit. “We want to focus on decision intelligence,” Jah said in an interview during the 72nd International Astronautical Congress. “How do we enable these things and do so in a way that makes space more transparent, makes space more predictable and can develop a body of evidence to help people and hold them accountable for their behaviors.”

Jah has developed AstriaGraph, a visualization tool that combines space situational awareness data from a several sources. AstriaGraph will be the core of Privateer’s efforts, he said, creating a “multisourced digital commons of stuff in space.”

Privateer will augment that with data from a constellation of satellites it plans to develop. Its first prototype satellite, Pono-1, will launch early next year. The three-unit cubesat will carry a variety of sensors to track and characterize space objects.


Some AstriaGraph stuff

http://astria.tacc.utexas.edu/AstriaGraph/

https://github.com/ut-astria/AstriaGraph

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #26 on: 03/03/2022 03:18 am »
Steve Wozniak’s new venture takes aim at space junk

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On Tuesday, Privateer is officially leaving “stealth mode” and debuting the first version of its software, which will monitor traffic in space. In interviews with CNN Business, the founders laid out a grand vision, with goals to build the type of database that space traffic experts — including governments — currently only dream of.

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Eventually, Privateer also hopes to deploy a series of satellites that will use sensors capable of keeping tabs on even the smallest pieces of debris — the currently elusive pieces of garbage under 10 cm. They plan to call the satellites Pono, a Hawaiian word that roughly translates to “do the right thing.”

Fielding said the company could have its first assets in space this year by putting its sensors on a satellite already slated for launch. Privateer could launch its own, custom Pono satellites in the years to come as needed, to fill in any blind spots, Fielding said.

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« Reply #27 on: 03/05/2022 01:14 am »
Privateer unveils technology for improved tracking of space objects

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A new venture that emerged from stealth this week promises better information about objects in orbit and more tailored space situational awareness services for satellite operators.

Privateer, based in Maui, Hawaii, unveiled its first product March 1, a visualization tool called Wayfinder that combines data from several sources, including data from U.S. Space Command and data provided directly by satellite operators.

Wayfinder is based on ASTRIAGraph, a similar web application developed by Moriba Jah, a University of Texas at Austin professor who is also chief scientist of Privateer. “It’s a rearchitecting of ASTRIAGraph,” he said in an interview. “ASTRIAGraph is always going to exist, but this is going to be a branch off of that.”

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #28 on: 09/25/2022 05:46 am »
Junk science: Apple founder Steve Wozniak's mission to clean up space

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What this means is that Privateer's satellites will have cameras monitoring Earth. 'Talking with investors, seeing where the market's going, the thinking is, if we have satellites up there, why not also have sensors there, that can, you know, provide data,' says Bellucci.

With enough satellites looking down - they won't say how many but assure me they will all be designed not to add to the long-term clutter - they will create a camera system from space extensive enough for developers to create apps we can then all use.

By offering imagery from space cheaply, Fielding wants to make other companies' satellites obsolete, reducing overlaps. 'I mean why are there 40 satellites over Kyiv right now doing the same thing?' he asks. Researchers without government-sized budgets will be able to look down and see 'people doing bad things'.

This is curious, so they think there're too much debris and too many satellites with "duplicate" functions up there, and their solution is launch more satellites which duplicate existing imaging satellites' functions? Yeah, that makes sense  ::)

This reminds me of this xkcd: https://xkcd.com/927
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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #29 on: 09/29/2022 01:57 am »
https://twitter.com/PrivateerSpace/status/1574929737784303617

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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #30 on: 10/01/2022 11:03 pm »
Well obviously, they are going to remake Mercury and have it dock to something in space!

With the Firefly launch today, we now have a working LV in the 1-ton range again. The Mercury revival we deserve looks more and more likely everyday! Now all we need to make it inevitable is a crisis in Taiwan forcing a return to analog.

On a more serious note, I'm happy to see the Woz contributing to space in anyway. If Privateer think they have something new to add to the debris tracking sector, I'm excited to see it.
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Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #31 on: 01/07/2023 11:20 am »
Somebody Is FINALLY Doing Something About Space Junk

It's Tony De La Rosa, ...I don't create this stuff, I just report it.

Re: Privateer Space - Steve Wozniak
« Reply #32 on: 12/15/2023 03:18 pm »
Newest MECO podcast is about this company. Seems like it's actually more of an Earth observation enabling technology company?
https://mainenginecutoff.com/podcast/266

EDIT: Ok, so they think Earth observation is the next big market, which means more constellations, which means more autonomous constellations, which means working on technologies like orbital debris tracking. I think.
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« Reply #33 on: 12/15/2023 04:35 pm »
They launch a small satellite recently...

https://twitter.com/D_Orbit/status/1734216481229914430
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