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#80
by
SpeakertoAnimals
on 14 Sep, 2021 19:31
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Having watched the latest two episodes, I have to say what an impressive person and great mission commander Jared is. I do believe a lot of people could go to space, given the opportunity, but I'm not sure how many people could be a good commander. I'm not sure how aware SpaceX were of Jared's leadership skills before selling this mission, but they're definitely off to a great start for the first fully private flight with no previous astronaut experience.
Also, people talk about how Dragon is autonomous, as if anyone could ride in it, but I have no doubt that the Inspiration 4 crew have earned the right to be called astronauts.
Agree! Definitely astronauts.
And also agreed on Jared.
I wonder how much of an impact the experience will have on the SpaceX training process - the jet aircraft used during the training are Jared's.
That would be an awesome hobby for Jared. "Yes, I'll command your tourist mission this month, no charge."
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#81
by
joek
on 14 Sep, 2021 20:25
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Level of training and skill sets needed means these types of missions aren't for any 4 people who can pay ticket price. Need 1 or 2 that are capable of fly capsule in an emergency.
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Generally agree. Those people would be considered
crew (emphasis in original)...
Crew means any employee or independent contractor of a licensee, transferee, or permittee, or of a contractor or subcontractor of a licensee, transferee, or permittee, who performs activities in the course of that employment or contract directly relating to the launch, reentry, or other operation of or in a launch vehicle or reentry vehicle that carries human beings. A crew consists of flight crew and any remote operator.
Flight crew means crew that is on board a vehicle during a launch or reentry.
Pilot means a flight crew member who has the ability to control, in real time, a launch or reentry vehicle's flight path.
NB: "...any employee or independent contractor of a licensee, transferee, or permittee...". Presumably SpaceX is the licensee or equivalent (have not seen an FAA launch license specific to this mission). Nor do we know details of contractual relationship between SpaceX and Inspiration4 or individuals. E.g., some or all may be operating under a contractor (or similar) arrangement with SpaceX which could make them "crew", and more specifically, "flight crew".
See also
§460 Subpart A - Launch and Reentry with Crew, which provides more detail on requirements, including "pilot", "remote operator", etc. Expect Jared meets those requirements; not sure about others. Also, we don't know if SpaceX will be providing a "remote operator"?
What that means for future similar non-government crew-participant-whatever launches is clear as mud to me. Would love to see a story on the specific arrangements between SpaceX and Inspiration4, and their discussions with FAA. Hope Eric Berger (or someone) has that on the list.
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#82
by
mlindner
on 14 Sep, 2021 20:55
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Watched through the most recent episode and this documentary is amazing. It far exceeded any expectations I had for it. Lots of really good details of the internals of SpaceX and how the training works.
I don't really get the couple of people who criticized the writing/production. I think the writing/production is amazingly on point. Especially the closing scene of episode 1 juxtapositioning the old "superhuman" astronauts and the girl with the rod in her leg and her leg having different measurements between her two legs. And the music with the repeated lines "For the times they are a-changin". It's about the changing of spaceflight from professionals to amateurs. It's rare you see writing this good in these types of documentaries. And then the very last scene "for the times they are a-changin" with the little child putting on a space helmet. It was like just perfect. I cried.
(Engineers can be emotional people too, don't let your want of technical things blind you to emotions. We're Humans, not Vulcans.)
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#83
by
Star One
on 14 Sep, 2021 21:35
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I know this isn’t strictly the documentary but continuing some of the annoying commentary on this mission was some of the questions asked at the live press conference. Which I thought were dealt with good grace.
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#84
by
Endeavour_01
on 14 Sep, 2021 23:19
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Going back and reading earlier stuff on this thread, and these reviews made me gag. How can people be so out of touch with reality? How can these reviewers have their heads so far up their own *** that they can write such drivel.
Part of it is that to these reviewers (and others who are unfamiliar with the benefits of space flight) space exploration/tourism is seen as a niche luxury.
That is why you hear the constant "what if we spent space funding on solving x problem." Some of this is just ignorance and some of it is an attempt to gin up controversy and clicks.
The truth is of course that we spend far more money on many other "non-problem solving" pursuits. Americans spend far more on beer than NASA. Hollywood, professional sports leagues, the NCAA, etc. are multi-billion dollar industries but you don't hear anyone demanding that that money be transfered to solve problem x.
The difference is that those pursuits are not seen as "luxuries" in the broader culture. Hopefully this mission, futher commercial astronaut flights, and things like the Artemis Program/Accords will help disabuse people of the notion that space is a just a luxury.
More people will see that space is in fact an essential part of life and will become even more so in the future.
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#85
by
kessdawg
on 15 Sep, 2021 01:48
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Just finished the Netflix Inspiration4 documentary with my wife. Both thoroughly enjoyed it, especially seeing the training they went through and their growth, both as a team and as individuals. I recommend if only to live a little vicariously through their experiences.
Having done only a small amount of hiking with large vertical feet gains, seeing the Rainer climb was intimidating. I think my highest climb in a hike was only 2,300 ft / 700m so to see them climb twice that in the snow made my legs tired.
The g-forces training was also intense!
I only wished we got to see more of the actual dragon training. All we got was a brief launch sim and a fire in pressurized section sim.
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#86
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 15 Sep, 2021 06:04
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#87
by
Jarnis
on 15 Sep, 2021 07:29
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Sometimes I think astronauts and mission managers have this skill (or superpower) of being able to answer clueless and/or annoying press people without resorting to "what a stupid question, go away". Would instantly disqualify me..
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#88
by
hektor
on 15 Sep, 2021 07:35
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There is a special program for the launch on the Netflix Youtube channel.
Has Netflix the capacity to broadcast events live in their own environment or is it necessary for them to use Youtube ?
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#89
by
markbike528cbx
on 15 Sep, 2021 08:26
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..snip... I just knew space stations were coming and that humans on Mars were next. And then...nothing. ...in space, nobody can hear the crickets... It's long past time, and I cannot wait for this mission to unfold!
Yep, I hear you. I like the phrase about the crickets :-)
One of my favorite songs is Mudhoney's "Where is the Future"
Astronauts were orbiting Earth
The Space Age was in sight
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[Chorus]
Where is the future that was promised us
Where is the future for everyone
.......
I want to live in a floating city
I want to drive a bubble car
I want to fly with my personal jet pack
I want to visit my family on Mars
I want to live in an era of peace
Of Love and Justice, Wonder and Truth
I want a world run by giant brains
Instead of small-minded arrogant fools
Human beings don't buy (or buy in) because of data. They buy only if the thing makes them feel good - if it makes them feel better to imagine that thing in their life. We need more people to think about space and to recognize that the door is opening for them too. I hope this mission, and this series, gets people feeling about space again!
I think the selection process got it right.
Everybody can see, or want to see, a little bit of each of the crew inside all of us.
My favorite is Hayley noting that she is probably the only person going/gone to space without actually applying for it.
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#90
by
ninjaneer
on 15 Sep, 2021 10:31
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Sometimes I think astronauts and mission managers have this skill (or superpower) of being able to answer clueless and/or annoying press people without resorting to "what a stupid question, go away". Would instantly disqualify me..
I'm making a blind assumption but the 4 and astronauts may have a PR coach teaching them to do just that. Learning to do media coaching is a specialization in sports management and possibly other talent management programs.
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#91
by
laszlo
on 15 Sep, 2021 13:49
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My favorite is Hayley noting that she is probably the only person going/gone to space without actually applying for it.
First done by Laika in 1957
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#92
by
Oersted
on 15 Sep, 2021 14:23
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In a letter to Publico, a major portuguese newspaper, an important politician of that country criticized the upcoming era of private spaceflight, literally spouting nonsense such as "these billionaires want to escape Earth and leave the rest of us to deal with an environmental nightmare"....
https://www.publico.pt/2021/07/23/opiniao/opiniao/culpa-merkel-ganancia-espacial-1971489I wrote a retort about the many benefits of private access to space, also managing to mention Inspiration4:
https://www.publico.pt/2021/08/01/opiniao/opiniao/acesso-privado-espaco-bem-humanidade-1972635 Criticism of private spaceflight is evermore popular among demagogues and populists [deleted]. We will definitely see more and more "spaceflight-shaming" in the future, along with the already quite widespread "flight-shaming". Quite a lot of people honestly believe that returning to a sort of pre-industrial society is the only way to save the planet. Sadly, they manage to convince a lot of people of their ridiculous views.
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#93
by
Tomness
on 16 Sep, 2021 20:37
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Loved the launch, loved the Netflix episodes can't wait for finale. Got see peek in the life of some SpaceXers and what their blood, swet, tears deliver. You knew when they told them they were cleared by SpaceX Medical and Mission Manger that it was for real this time. Jared and his Crew mates are awesome. Wish one of them was nerdy enough to say that their Call Sign was Shur'tugal and Resilience was their Dragon.
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#94
by
Tomness
on 16 Sep, 2021 20:53
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Loved The Series so far. Great look at their training and peek inside SpaceX and their SpaceXers. Jared is awesome and his Crew mates are truly genuine in their excitement, they are definitely getting dream of life time. Fly in Planes, Jets, Mountain Hiking and then the grand finale of flying in Space for 3 days. Ordinary people are getting to do that, they didn't have pay steep 50 Million + to go either.
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#95
by
JMS
on 17 Sep, 2021 02:53
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Personally, this crew is special. The Netflix documentaries have been open and expansive.
Feel like I know them.
What they choose to give us, on-orbit, is a gift... theirs to give at their discretion.
I've been watching manned spaceflight since Gemini.
This is WAY more than awesome for me.
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#96
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 18 Sep, 2021 05:43
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#97
by
Oersted
on 20 Sep, 2021 18:05
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I would think there should at least be three more episodes, lift-off, space, landing...
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#98
by
Jarnis
on 20 Sep, 2021 19:42
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It'll be just one episode, but reportedly it is going to be 90 minutes, so more like two-in-one.
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#99
by
hektor
on 20 Sep, 2021 19:54
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I would be interested in another episode in say two years. To see what they become.
