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#60
by
Welsh Dragon
on 09 Sep, 2021 16:04
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It's not the fluff that's the problem, it's the saccharine. The show inspires you to mentally gargle a gallon of lemon juice to get the sicky-sweet flavor out of your head. It's everything that's wrong with commercial TV network spaceflight coverage distilled into a potent concentrate and delivered with a schlocky Hallmark card.
Hear hear.
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#61
by
Star One
on 09 Sep, 2021 17:39
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It's not the fluff that's the problem, it's the saccharine. The show inspires you to mentally gargle a gallon of lemon juice to get the sicky-sweet flavor out of your head. It's everything that's wrong with commercial TV network spaceflight coverage distilled into a potent concentrate and delivered with a schlocky Hallmark card.
I believe the term you’re looking for is human interest, hardly a new idea when it comes to television. This kind of stuff has been around for decades. I think it’s more to do with people going oh TV isn’t as good these days and firmly putting their rose tinted glasses on.
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#62
by
John-H
on 09 Sep, 2021 20:06
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It's not the fluff that's the problem, it's the saccharine. The show inspires you to mentally gargle a gallon of lemon juice to get the sicky-sweet flavor out of your head. It's everything that's wrong with commercial TV network spaceflight coverage distilled into a potent concentrate and delivered with a schlocky Hallmark card.
I believe the term you’re looking for is human interest, hardly a new idea when it comes to television. This kind of stuff has been around for decades. I think it’s more to do with people going oh TV isn’t as good these days and firmly putting their rose tinted glasses on.
Audience for Hallmark TV >>> audience for space nerd stuff.
It's not to my taste but they are trying to sell a TV show, and they seem to be doing it quite well.
John
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#63
by
laszlo
on 09 Sep, 2021 21:39
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It's not the fluff that's the problem, it's the saccharine. The show inspires you to mentally gargle a gallon of lemon juice to get the sicky-sweet flavor out of your head. It's everything that's wrong with commercial TV network spaceflight coverage distilled into a potent concentrate and delivered with a schlocky Hallmark card.
I believe the term you’re looking for is human interest, hardly a new idea when it comes to television. This kind of stuff has been around for decades. I think it’s more to do with people going oh TV isn’t as good these days and firmly putting their rose tinted glasses on.
No, I truly meant saccharine, but thanks anyway.
There's nothing wrong with human interest stories, but in this particular show it's very very poorly done. My problem is not with Elon, not with the crew, not with the mission and not with St. Jude's to whom I've previously contributed to. The problem is squarely with the writers, directors and producers of this show.
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#64
by
AndyH
on 10 Sep, 2021 09:58
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I worked for a time at a small plant that made aerospace composite parts. When people came into the QA lab and asked the senior inspector how he was doing, he would reply: "About as you'd expect.". Most of the folks responded with some sort of condolence, but a few responded happily that his day was going well. He enjoyed taking the pulse of the folks coming through the lab, because he understood that how a person responded communicated their mental state - it wasn't about him at all.
I'm enjoying the series - the back story of the four travelers, the reason for the mission, the way it ties into the desire of all involved to show the world that finally, finally, finally, we're starting to stretch just a little bit into space. I think Netflix and Time are weaving the literal art and science together and telling a story designed to communicate the wonder of the adventure I'm one of many that sat in front of a black and white TV in 1969 (age 6) and watched Apollo 11 land, and watched Neil Armstrong take our collective giant leap. That led to reading plenty of sci-fi, and O'Neill, and newsletters from the L5 society. I just knew space stations were coming and that humans on Mars were next. And then...nothing. ...in space, nobody can hear the crickets... It's long past time, and I cannot wait for this mission to unfold!
Human beings don't buy (or buy in) because of data. They buy only if the thing makes them feel good - if it makes them feel better to imagine that thing in their life. We need more people to think about space and to recognize that the door is opening for them too. I hope this mission, and this series, gets people feeling about space again!
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#65
by
Jarnis
on 13 Sep, 2021 08:45
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2 more episodes out today, watched immediately once they went up on Netflix.
Would have preferred bit more weighting towards the training side over the human story side after the first two episodes to balance things more, but I guess I'm not exactly the target audience. Still, excellent stuff and even had a couple of freeze-frameable moments that showed something interesting on the hardware that I hadn't seen before.
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#66
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 13 Sep, 2021 13:12
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Having watched the latest two episodes, I have to say what an impressive person and great mission commander Jared is. I do believe a lot of people could go to space, given the opportunity, but I'm not sure how many people could be a good commander. I'm not sure how aware SpaceX were of Jared's leadership skills before selling this mission, but they're definitely off to a great start for the first fully private flight with no previous astronaut experience.
Also, people talk about how Dragon is autonomous, as if anyone could ride in it, but I have no doubt that the Inspiration 4 crew have earned the right to be called astronauts.
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#67
by
kevinof
on 13 Sep, 2021 13:35
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Having watched the latest two episodes, I have to say what an impressive person and great mission commander Jared is. I do believe a lot of people could go to space, given the opportunity, but I'm not sure how many people could be a good commander. I'm not sure how aware SpaceX were of Jared's leadership skills before selling this mission, but they've definitely off to a great start with the first fully private flight with no previous astronaut experience.
100%. He seems like the perfect choice for a first flight.
...Also, people talk about how Dragon is autonomous, as if anyone could ride in it, but I have no doubt that the Inspiration 4 crew have earned the right to be called astronauts.
They are going higher than the current occupants of the ISS. In my book that makes them astronauts! And even if they weren't going so high I'd still calls them astronauts.
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#68
by
Jarnis
on 13 Sep, 2021 14:55
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Also, people talk about how Dragon is autonomous, as if anyone could ride in it, but I have no doubt that the Inspiration 4 crew have earned the right to be called astronauts.
This is quite true. What kinda spelled it out was this story:
https://www.axios.com/how-it-happened-next-astronauts-part-three-c71b7629-92ad-4a97-b7f6-d82c24ab8846.htmlabout 16 min 30s in, describing how they went thru a very long 30-hour sim where they ultimately had to go thru non-nominal return where they had to manually pop the chutes, without comms, with 3 computers down and without Dragon knowing where exactly it was. Basically sim supervisors throwing everything and the kitchen sink at them.. didn't sound like a casual tourist flight simulation to me
(you should naturally listen to the whole thing, and the two earlier parts)
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#69
by
JayWee
on 13 Sep, 2021 17:04
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Having watched the latest two episodes, I have to say what an impressive person and great mission commander Jared is. I do believe a lot of people could go to space, given the opportunity, but I'm not sure how many people could be a good commander. I'm not sure how aware SpaceX were of Jared's leadership skills before selling this mission, but they're definitely off to a great start for the first fully private flight with no previous astronaut experience.
Also, people talk about how Dragon is autonomous, as if anyone could ride in it, but I have no doubt that the Inspiration 4 crew have earned the right to be called astronauts.
Agree! Definitely astronauts.
And also agreed on Jared.
I wonder how much of an impact the experience will have on the SpaceX training process - the jet aircraft used during the training are Jared's.
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#70
by
tater
on 13 Sep, 2021 17:41
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I have to say, this is just astonishingly well done (my only nit is the Time reporter—to be honest, I'm spoiled by substantially better/more engaging space reporting
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What's perhaps more amazing is how nice/compelling all 4 of the crew are. Everything about this is an antidote to the awful Branson/Bezos nonsense a couple months ago—and I'm very pro-civilian space, even goofy suborbital hops. The whole pissing match thing, including the streams by both Virgin and BO had something to annoy almost everyone.
Those two billionaires, vs
this: 4 super nice people, raising money, and in the case of Hayley vicarious hope, for kids with cancer. Anyone who manages to get POed at this is broken, it's all win.
Well done, Inspiration 4, godspeed!
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#71
by
apollolanding
on 13 Sep, 2021 17:54
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While the show may not be up to space-geek standards, I think it's pretty well done. Remember, the goal isn't to preach to the faithful, it's to entertain and hopefully gain followers.
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#72
by
Star One
on 13 Sep, 2021 20:39
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Another good two episodes of the documentary for Inspiration4. They are very likeable crew and they all seem very competent especially Jared who makes a good commander. Certainly a nice antidote to all that Branson Vs Bezos nonsense. Got a feeling this is also a learning experience for Space X. By the way Hayley really is fearless in a good way and she’s very mature for her age.
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#73
by
Zed_Noir
on 14 Sep, 2021 05:00
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....By the way Hayley really is fearless in a good way and she’s very mature for her age.
She have nothing to fear after facing down the grim reaper during her childhood.
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#74
by
Lars-J
on 14 Sep, 2021 06:21
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I just caught up with all 4 episodes out so far, and I’m very impressed. These 4 people could be taking the easiest training regimen they could get away with, but they aren’t… Seeing glimpses of all the training they’ve gone through (much of it appears driven by Jared) is truly impressive.
And then going through a 30 hr simulation in Dragon (longer than any NASA astronaut), if what I’ve read is correct. Some grumble that “space tourists” shouldn’t be called Astronauts - but they certainly deserve to be called astronauts based on the effort they are putting in.
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#75
by
Star One
on 14 Sep, 2021 08:30
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Could any them transfer into Space X astronaut group if they were so inclined after the flight?
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#76
by
hektor
on 14 Sep, 2021 16:57
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A crewed Starship flight seems to me more likely. That would make a nice " Season 2".
That being said I think Jared Isaacman would be able to command other space missions, which he is not financing, e.g. NASA missions. But what would we the point for him to become a NASA employee ?
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#77
by
Lars-J
on 14 Sep, 2021 18:29
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Could any them transfer into Space X astronaut group if they were so inclined after the flight?
Assuming all goes well, and they want to... It would certainly not surprise me if one or more of them ended up going to space again.
There is no astronaut group at SpaceX yet, as far as we know. But they could be prime candidates to be involved in some fashion.
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#78
by
TrevorMonty
on 14 Sep, 2021 19:14
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Level of training and skill sets needed means these types of missions aren't for any 4 people who can pay ticket price. Need 1 or 2 that are capable of fly capsule in an emergency. I don't think Sion just missing out on NASA astronaut selection may have something to do with being chosen.
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#79
by
freddo411
on 14 Sep, 2021 19:19
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It's very entertaining to watch these shows. It's clear to me that Jared wanted to have the same type of experience and training that a "regular", NASA astronaut would have. I suspect that SX wanted to have the first commercial experience be a bit more cautious and a bit more on the safe and routine side.
I wonder if in the future, the commercial dragon flight training experience will change into something closer to the Virgin G profile ... just a week or so and then go.
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