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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #540 on: 02/02/2019 10:08 pm »
Isnít that what Airbus is doing as well so they can continue to bid for future EU contracts like Galileo.
No. Airbus would do it to keep the whole of it's mfg line on the same side of a customs border.  Relocating the CNC machines used to machine the wings (IIRC some of the smaller ones were built by Airbus predecessor companies to machine the wings of the Buccaneer aircraft) might be tough, but most countries in the rest of Europe would be quite happy to help them re-locate several thousand high skills/high pay jobs (and the associated infrastructure) to them

Think of it as that "Brexit dividend" the Leave campaign talked about.

Only it's got a - sign on the front of it.   :(
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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #541 on: 02/02/2019 11:06 pm »
Isn’t that what Airbus is doing as well so they can continue to bid for future EU contracts like Galileo.
No. Airbus would do it to keep the whole of it's mfg line on the same side of a customs border.  Relocating the CNC machines used to machine the wings (IIRC some of the smaller ones were built by Airbus predecessor companies to machine the wings of the Buccaneer aircraft) might be tough, but most countries in the rest of Europe would be quite happy to help them re-locate several thousand high skills/high pay jobs (and the associated infrastructure) to them

Think of it as that "Brexit dividend" the Leave campaign talked about.

Only it's got a - sign on the front of it.   :(

Sorry I meant Airbus the satellite building section, not aircraft which I assumed would be OT. Should have been clearer in my OP.

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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #542 on: 02/03/2019 07:08 pm »
Isnít that what Airbus is doing as well so they can continue to bid for future EU contracts like Galileo.
No. Airbus would do it to keep the whole of it's mfg line on the same side of a customs border.  Relocating the CNC machines used to machine the wings (IIRC some of the smaller ones were built by Airbus predecessor companies to machine the wings of the Buccaneer aircraft) might be tough, but most countries in the rest of Europe would be quite happy to help them re-locate several thousand high skills/high pay jobs (and the associated infrastructure) to them

Think of it as that "Brexit dividend" the Leave campaign talked about.

Only it's got a - sign on the front of it.   :(

Sorry I meant Airbus the satellite building section, not aircraft which I assumed would be OT. Should have been clearer in my OP.
Then yes that would be the reasonable strategy. It would also be substantially easier to move the satellite building operation than the aircraft building arm, but not impossible.
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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #543 on: 02/03/2019 08:10 pm »
Isn’t that what Airbus is doing as well so they can continue to bid for future EU contracts like Galileo.
No. Airbus would do it to keep the whole of it's mfg line on the same side of a customs border.  Relocating the CNC machines used to machine the wings (IIRC some of the smaller ones were built by Airbus predecessor companies to machine the wings of the Buccaneer aircraft) might be tough, but most countries in the rest of Europe would be quite happy to help them re-locate several thousand high skills/high pay jobs (and the associated infrastructure) to them

Think of it as that "Brexit dividend" the Leave campaign talked about.

Only it's got a - sign on the front of it.   :(

Sorry I meant Airbus the satellite building section, not aircraft which I assumed would be OT. Should have been clearer in my OP.
Then yes that would be the reasonable strategy. It would also be substantially easier to move the satellite building operation than the aircraft building aircraft

Here’s an article on it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/09/airbus-space-contract-will-move-from-uk-to-continent-because-of-brexit

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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #544 on: 02/05/2019 02:29 am »
So...I guess what we're talking about is polar orbits, right? Coz Scotland is well positioned for that...you could basically go anywhere but east. Maybe NNE. But an equatorial orbit would require a bit of dogleg, I should think.

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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #545 on: 02/05/2019 06:52 am »
So...I guess what we're talking about is polar orbits, right? Coz Scotland is well positioned for that...you could basically go anywhere but east. Maybe NNE. But an equatorial orbit would require a bit of dogleg, I should think.

Scotland is so far north than launching in any direction means a near polar orbit.  ;) (ok not quite)  ;D

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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #546 on: 02/06/2019 09:30 pm »
Hereís an article on it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/09/airbus-space-contract-will-move-from-uk-to-continent-because-of-brexit
Well it's not so much the satellite building part as the ground station building part (which is still pretty substantial).

And let's not forget it was the UK who insisted that a clause be written into the contract to stop non EU countries participating in Galileo.

It's quite clear and quite specific.  :(
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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #547 on: 02/06/2019 10:28 pm »

And let's not forget it was the UK who insisted that a clause be written into the contract to stop non EU countries participating in Galileo.

It's quite clear and quite specific.  :(
And quite ironic, as these things go.
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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #548 on: 02/06/2019 10:57 pm »
Hereís an article on it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/09/airbus-space-contract-will-move-from-uk-to-continent-because-of-brexit
Well it's not so much the satellite building part as the ground station building part (which is still pretty substantial).

And let's not forget it was the UK who insisted that a clause be written into the contract to stop non EU countries participating in Galileo.

It's quite clear and quite specific.  :(

Where does it say the UK insisted on the clause?

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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #549 on: 02/07/2019 06:43 am »
Here’s an article on it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/09/airbus-space-contract-will-move-from-uk-to-continent-because-of-brexit
Well it's not so much the satellite building part as the ground station building part (which is still pretty substantial).

And let's not forget it was the UK who insisted that a clause be written into the contract to stop non EU countries participating in Galileo.

It's quite clear and quite specific.  :(

Where does it say the UK insisted on the clause?

Because it’s well known they did.

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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #550 on: 02/07/2019 07:13 am »
Hereís an article on it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/09/airbus-space-contract-will-move-from-uk-to-continent-because-of-brexit
Well it's not so much the satellite building part as the ground station building part (which is still pretty substantial).

And let's not forget it was the UK who insisted that a clause be written into the contract to stop non EU countries participating in Galileo.

It's quite clear and quite specific.  :(

Where does it say the UK insisted on the clause?

Because itís well known they did.

Well a link would be useful.

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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #551 on: 02/07/2019 05:23 pm »
Awesome news:

ARTICLE: Orbex reveals Primeís second stage as it prepares for UK domestic launches -

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/02/orbex-primes-second-stage-uk-launches/

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1093575933980798976

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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #552 on: 02/12/2019 08:55 am »
Very cool rocket and I prefer this domestic LV compared to something Lockheed Martin's got their fingers in!

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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #553 on: 02/12/2019 07:34 pm »


The Falcon 1 lead to the Falcon 9. IMHO There will be a larger large vehicle in a few years time.

It would be nice if they just funded Skylon but a small launcher is a cheaper and quicker way to get started and learn all the difficult lessons on.

Spacex would not have been able to afford to learn all the lessons learned on F1 with F9.

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Re: British Space Agency / UKSA Master Thread
« Reply #554 on: 02/16/2019 10:08 am »
It would be nice if they just funded Skylon but a small launcher is a cheaper and quicker way to get started and learn all the difficult lessons on.

Spacex would not have been able to afford to learn all the lessons learned on F1 with F9.
Not really.

The concept is so different to Skylon it's construction materials so different not much will be transferable.

Likewise you're assuming REL and its partners have no experience of rocket design or operation. In fact they've designed, fired and tested several and LH2 is a far less forgiving fuel than "bio Propane"

But at heart they've just built yet another  TSTO ELV.

This may be one small step for the UK's rocket engineering skills base but other than that.....
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