Gentlemen, please: the OLIT has stairs. Even if whatever falling doodad prevents use of the elevator, do you really think there are no SpaceXers willing to risk thigh chafing to perform any tasks out of manlift reach in order to avoid a delay?
Quote from: edzieba on 04/15/2023 05:14 pmGentlemen, please: the OLIT has stairs. Even if whatever falling doodad prevents use of the elevator, do you really think there are no SpaceXers willing to risk thigh chafing to perform any tasks out of manlift reach in order to avoid a delay?It's not the grunt's willingness to grind that matters, it's the willingness of the company to let this go uninvestigated until the conclusion of the flight test or their willingness to get this i vestigated and cleared out before continuing to use stage 0.
Quote from: jon.amos on 04/15/2023 04:58 pmPure speculation but those sparks look electrical to me. Could someone have lost control of or otherwise caused a running genset used for weldinng to fall? We know they are welding at height and local generator makes more sense than permanently installed power to support. It does? On a tower that size with that many already-existing high-power devices (winches, hydraulics, and so on), it makes more sense to me to put outlets everywhere for this sort of thing (i.e. 480V three-phase 100A Hubbells or similar). Where I work, we have them all over the place, including on towers way smaller than this one.
Pure speculation but those sparks look electrical to me. Could someone have lost control of or otherwise caused a running genset used for weldinng to fall? We know they are welding at height and local generator makes more sense than permanently installed power to support.
And there it is. Wonder if it was the elevator. Launch ain't happening this week.
If there was no injuries
Quote from: sferrin on 04/15/2023 01:15 pmAnd there it is. Wonder if it was the elevator. Launch ain't happening this week. Best to cancel the whole program, butter fingers company obviously not going to hunt.
Quote from: daedalus1 on 04/15/2023 07:03 amThat's just confusion over whether th 'trajectory' skims the top of the atmosphere or not. It is orbital velocity but the low point is in the atmosphere - as explained multiple times here and elsewhere.Nope. The perigee of a "nearly orbital trajectory" is not in the atmosphere but below sea level.The confusion was caused by SpaceX calling it an "Orbital Flight Test". But they have stopped doing so - it now is just the "Starship Flight Test" on the SpaceX website and on the mission patch.
That's just confusion over whether th 'trajectory' skims the top of the atmosphere or not. It is orbital velocity but the low point is in the atmosphere - as explained multiple times here and elsewhere.
Quote from: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/15/2023 09:50 amDoesn’t sound or look great:Wonderful. Now OSHA will shut it down for three weeks for an "investigation".
Doesn’t sound or look great:
Discussion about suborbital/orbital or not first need to decide on the definition of orbital as there is not one that is obvious and universally used.Some candidates:Specific energy >= -μ/2R (lowest circular orbit above the surface).Specific energy >= -μ/2r for some r>R.Perigee above surface.Perigee above some height h.r and h could be 50 km, 80 km, 100 km or some spacecraft dependent value guaranteeing more than a full orbit is possible.
I still get nervous even for other people’s rocket launches. The knowledge that all your work could go up in a giant explosion is a special kind of frisson.But for everyone that has ever drawn a spark of inspiration from visions of humanity expanding into space:This is the Way.
I still have launch PTSD from early Falcon days. My limbic system twists my guts into a knot as we get closer to launch.
Quote from: Slothman on 04/15/2023 05:18 pmQuote from: edzieba on 04/15/2023 05:14 pmGentlemen, please: the OLIT has stairs. Even if whatever falling doodad prevents use of the elevator, do you really think there are no SpaceXers willing to risk thigh chafing to perform any tasks out of manlift reach in order to avoid a delay?It's not the grunt's willingness to grind that matters, it's the willingness of the company to let this go uninvestigated until the conclusion of the flight test or their willingness to get this i vestigated and cleared out before continuing to use stage 0.You’ve obviously never worked in construction or health and safety. If there was no injuries then all SpaceX have to do is cease using that piece of equipment and carry out their own investigation, add remedial measures and fix. It shouldn’t prevent anything else from going ahead. That’s assuming nobody was injured and there is no further risk of injury.
Quote from: chopsticks on 04/15/2023 02:48 pmQuote from: sferrin on 04/15/2023 01:11 pmQuote from: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/15/2023 09:50 amDoesn’t sound or look great:Wonderful. Now OSHA will shut it down for three weeks for an "investigation".Please stop with your conspiracy theories.Sorry if reality triggered you. No way anybody is just going to crack a beer and give a thumbs up for Monday after something like that.
Quote from: sferrin on 04/15/2023 01:11 pmQuote from: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/15/2023 09:50 amDoesn’t sound or look great:Wonderful. Now OSHA will shut it down for three weeks for an "investigation".Please stop with your conspiracy theories.
Quote from: sferrin on 04/15/2023 01:11 pmQuote from: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/15/2023 09:50 amDoesn’t sound or look great:Wonderful. Now OSHA will shut it down for three weeks for an "investigation".Do you prefer a fatal accident or injury?
Quote from: Tywin on 04/15/2023 05:52 pmQuote from: sferrin on 04/15/2023 01:11 pmQuote from: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/15/2023 09:50 amDoesn’t sound or look great:Wonderful. Now OSHA will shut it down for three weeks for an "investigation".Do you prefer a fatal accident or injury?How'd you get that from my statement?
Sheriffs are closing the road around the launch site for potential Ship 24 stacking.https://twitter.com/VickiCocks15/status/1647306355395510272
More questions about the "Starbase Launch Keep Out Zone": Is Highway 4 closed before or after the border patrol check point? The diagram has two "Check Point". One is next to Richardson Avenue. Is it possible for me to get at that point with my cameras? Is it possible to see the launch pad from that point?That point is only 4 miles away rather than 6 miles which is the distance from Port Isabel. But, you would be shooting straight into the rising sun -- although that could look cool if done properly.As I recall, there is still a lot of scrub at that point and you can't actually see the launch site except whatever pokes out above the scrub.
